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HTC have proven that they will listen to the community by announcing future unlocked bootloaders.
Having just had a play with a Sensation I do like the look and operation of Sense 3.0. I know there are custom Roms ported from 3.0 but what I really want is an official upgrade. My DesireHD is plenty fast enough at the moment so I don't want to shell out big money for a dual core handset just to get Sense 3.0.
So perhaps HTC could prove they love us for more than 6 months (normal product cycle) by producing a Sense 3.0 for their handsets that are up to it AND unlock the bootloader at the same time. If enough people think so maybe just maybe we will be heard.
They already stated that they wouldn't be providing any sense 2.1 handsets with a sense 3.0 upgrade.
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Apparently its down to performance issues. I'm nit finding a huge difference between the two myself in terms of non bling features.
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. I know there are custom Roms ported from 3.0 but what I really want is an official upgrade.
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Having seen the hash that has been made of the latest 2.3.3 update why on earth would you want the official over a tweaked custom ROM?
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We'll see once the sdk is out.
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I agree .. I would go so far as to say that our developers at xda will probably do a better job than htc on sense 3.0 when the sdk comes out
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They already stated that they wouldn't be providing any sense 2.1 handsets with a sense 3.0 upgrade.
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They also locked the bootloaders. And said no GB for the Desire. If enough customers want it and make it known, then maybe they could spare someone to produce a port of 3.0 for the lower res screens.
My OTA update to 2.3.3 and Sense 2.1 went without a hitch (so far so good).
I had fun trying all sorts of ROMs on my Hero (and still do) but the DesireHD is 'mission critical' and I need it to all work all the time. I am in awe of the skills of the ROM cooks but sometimes the product still comes out half baked.
HTC will *NOT* sacrifice user experience for new features (if any). Don't forget that Sense 3.0 came with the dual core Sensation. Yes, it can be made to work good-ish but you'll never see HTC overclocking their phones. Unlocking the bootloader does no damage to HTC (especially if it voids the warranty) so they did it. This has nothing to do with Sense 3.0 - we are more likely in the position of the Desire users: GB can run on their phones but it doesn't meet the performance standards of HTC. So no official GB for them... and no Sense 3.0 for us...
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They also locked the bootloaders. And said no GB for the Desire. If enough customers want it and make it known, then maybe they could spare someone to produce a port of 3.0 for the lower res screens.
My OTA update to 2.3.3 and Sense 2.1 went without a hitch (so far so good).
I had fun trying all sorts of ROMs on my Hero (and still do) but the DesireHD is 'mission critical' and I need it to all work all the time. I am in awe of the skills of the ROM cooks but sometimes the product still comes out half baked.
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Half baked you said.There are more than 8 stable, more faster and smoother roms for DHD here including 2 powerful roms with full sense 3.0 support. Check the threads, hardly a discussion about a bug anymore just themes, rosie and what not.
Believe me they are far more superior to what Htc had to offer.
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i like the sense roms here but i had a problem with virtuous unity rom really liked it aswell.
Guys both virtuous unity and rcmix are fantastic 3.0 ports!! Try them..out devs are more talented than HTCs I have to say who thought it wasnt possible officially!
no chance
nochance of that happening as the first poster said, im currently using RcMix3D 1.9 which the dark v3 patch which is sense 3.0 and its wikked i love it, ive tried all the roms on here and this is the best
recently i bought dhd unfortunately by mistake up dated the machine, now i can not go for sense 3.0. a,m about to got rid of the machine if will remain on sense 2
any help from XDA .
I think its HTC marketing strategy. They may think that now one would buy the Sensation or Evo 3d if some of the older Phones had 3.0.
But if you watch the videos how poorly Sense 3.0 runs on the Sensation maybe their honest with the performance and they can´t make a smooth runnig Sense 3.0 update for the DHD.
Don´t know wich is worse but you´ll have to flash a custom rom if you want Sense 3.0.
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recently i bought dhd unfortunately by mistake up dated the machine, now i can not go for sense 3.0. a,m about to got rid of the machine if will remain on sense 2
any help from XDA .
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New build can now be downgraded mate It's found in the dev section
Seriously you don't want 3.0 I bought the sensation and have had 3 of them , they suffer from heat problems and sense 3 is so laggy. IM that disappointed that the phone its so slow I've bought a dhd and to be honest its quicker, cooler and far superior ...
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how to downgrade
thats funny ive been using 3.0 on my dhd for ages now and had no lags, here is the downgrade page http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=905003
I've tried the sense 3 Roms and while there are aspects of them that I like, i prefer CM7 for it's speed and flexibility, not missing sense at the moment
Duncan
I have to say that the ability and feeling with sense 3.0 is much better. but that's my personly view - everyone prefers stuff himself.
johansenmo said:
I have to say that the ability and feeling with sense 3.0 is much better. but that's my personly view - everyone prefers stuff himself.
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True. Everyone has his own feel over how thinks should work. I had the chance to buy a brand new Sensation, so I decided to compare it with my DHD running LeeDroid with Sense 3.0 port. Can You guess which one is laggier and slower? Surprise, surprise it's the Sensation. Even though the CPU is 0,2 GHz faster and a dual core, it seems as if the two cores are not syncronised and do not use the RAM in the best possible way. Sure for multithreaded apps the Sensation is faster, but how many of those are out there? And the heat. They say DHD has a overheating problem... Try using a Sensation or a SGS II for more than 30 minutes. They'll burn your hand I bet the next HTC will be 1,5 GHz and will be called the Untouchable (LMAO)
Hi all,
Leaked a photo of a new HTC lower end device named: HTC Pico
Topic Here
What is interesting in the specs of this new device is the new Sense UI named: HTC Sense Zero with Gingerbread. which may be a streamlined version of the Sense UI designed for lower-end devices.
This gave me hope that we may have HTC Sense Zero with Gingerbread 2.3.3 for our poor HTC wildfire.
Do you think this could happen: Wildfire with 2.3.3 + Sense Zero ??
any information, could be interesting!
It has an HVGA display similar to the Wildfire S.Still...fingers crossed.If they ported sense 2.1 everything is possible
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well, hvga, forget it, most wildfire devs will probably soon start upgrading their phones so, there is little to no chance for this to get on wildfire, shame, but truth. + theres a sh*t load of resizing, so its hard + boring. lol
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well, hvga, forget it, most wildfire devs will probably soon start upgrading their phones so, there is little to no chance for this to get on wildfire, shame, but truth. + theres a sh*t load of resizing, so its hard + boring. lol
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Do you mean wildfire going to be HVGA resolution??
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Do you mean wildfire going to be HVGA resolution??
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He means the HTC Pico is going to be HVGA which is bigger than our Wildfire's QVGA resolution.So porting Sense Zero to QVGA is going to be as hard as porting sense 2.1 and just as smokzye said, most devs are upgrading their phones so the interest in our phone will decrease.
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Do you mean wildfire going to be HVGA resolution??
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he mean the wildfire's developers will soon get rid of the wildfires and buy another phone
I would rather wait for the device to be released (Or atleast the ROM of the device to be leaked) than jump to conclusions at this very early stage. The hardware seems to be same compared to the Wildfire S, and, it would seem unlikely HTC would release a new version of Sense for it, when Sense 2.1 works fine on the Wildfire S.
I'd love to use the Sense zero on my MT3GS
the list included the following devices
HTC Sensation
HTC Sensation XL
HTC Sensation XE
HTC EVO 3D
HTC EVO Design 4G
HTC Amaze 4G
HTC Rezound
HTC Vivid
don't get shocked cause u didnt see Desire HD,htc said that this is the first list for devices that will get ics,and they will keep testing all other devices to see if is it possible to have ics,and will release a new list whenever testing is complete
in my openion this is how it goes,new devices will get it first,then they will say our dhd won't get it and finally they will release it =D
I hope!!!!
So? I love Sense, but I also have a HC tablet and let me tell you- the UI (ICS has virtually the same UI as HC) is brilliant. Once CM releases a build for DHD I'm dumping Sense and start using that.
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I hope too!
Who needs official ICS with sense 2 when there's such a heaving dev community?
Well i think theyll release it for a newer phone of theirs, and the DHD/Inspire Devs will just port that release to our phones.. Lol
you guys seem to forget that XDA devs need a base to begin with, so the more bases and kernel sources HTC provides the better for us, for example before the WVGA sense 3.0 DHD/incredibleS and runny leaks all customs ports of sense 3 needed to resize the graphics which wasn't a walk in the park, equaly right now roms based on WVGA sense 3.0/3.5 are running so well because we already have Gingerbread kernel source from HTC
so yes even if we rely on custom roms we will always need a compatible base
the good news is that HTC committed to ICS on Sensation XL which is WVGA and has close specs including the same GPU/CPU and RAM as our DHD, a fully working port is almost guarranteed
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Well i think theyll release it for a newer phone of theirs, and the DHD/Inspire Devs will just port that release to our phones.. Lol
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Specifically with the Sensation XL
i wish !! D
We don´t need official ics release, we only need to wait devs to port it, and sure will be better than official one....
Thanks devs.
Theres nothing stopping HTC from upgrading the Desire HD to sensation XL performance. If we can do it at Dev level like with Android Revolution, including upping the CPU to a safe level like 1.2 Ghz, then HTC can do it. They're just being picky.
we believe in our developers
And thanks to this guy ^…Im typing this from my ICS Inspire 4G. You dh.harald, truly rock my friend
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And thanks to this guy ^…Im typing this from my ICS Inspire 4G. You dh.harald, truly rock my friend
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Same I love you! This is the best!
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I wish Desire HD it won be long for ics too
HTC devices will most likely get ics before christmas
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HTC devices will most likely get ics before christmas
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Nice.. Already my daily driver.. Kudos to all developers..
I believe, i trully believe that The genius developers in this dhd thread will satisfy me and all this dhd thread members.
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Sense is an insult to ICS stock ICS is great and I hope HTC leaves a bit of the ICS feeling
I really hope to see some ICS soon on my HD
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HTC didn't announce ICS update, despite its brothers getting it.
We assumed it was hardware limitations with the smaller RAM (512mb)
But now HTC have announced the new HTC One V with ICS and Sense 3.6/4.0.
And guess what? It only has 512mb aswell.
So RAM can't be the issue. Maybe CPU power?
Go pester HTC on Twitter/Facebook now for your update!
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HTC didn't announce ICS update, despite its brothers getting it.
We assumed it was hardware limitations with the smaller RAM (512mb)
But now HTC have announced the new HTC One V with ICS and Sense 3.6/4.0.
And guess what? It only has 512mb aswell.
So RAM can't be the issue. Maybe CPU power?
Go pester HTC on Twitter/Facebook now for your update!
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The issue is that HTC has A LOT of phones. The Desire Z has already received a major Android update. It is not a flagship phone, nor a big seller.
Or in short....$$$$$$$$.
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The issue is that HTC has A LOT of phones. The Desire Z has already received a major Android update. It is not a flagship phone, nor a big seller.
Or in short....$$$$$$$$.
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True, but the Desire Hd (released at the same time) is getting the update.
And that phine hasn't just had one, or two or three major updates....
It's had FOUR MAJOR OS UPDATES.
that beats Apple with their iPhone 3gs.
It's gone from 2.2 all the way to 4.0 with numerous huge sense upgrades.
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Nospin said:
The issue is that HTC has A LOT of phones. The Desire Z has already received a major Android update. It is not a flagship phone, nor a big seller.
Or in short....$$$$$$$$.
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I think Nospin is right; commitment to the development of Android varies among different manufacturers. Commitment to profit does not. There is limited upside to them providing an upgrade. Chances are, we'll still purchase the next HTC phone when we get the money and/or discounted price with contract from our carriers, despite them choosing not to upgrade our phones. In other words, why provide us with an additional free service, when they're going to get our money in the future anyway. In fact, providing the upgrade might *deter* us from buying their latest and greatest.
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True, but the Desire Hd (released at the same time) is getting the update.
And that phine hasn't just had one, or two or three major updates....
It's had FOUR MAJOR OS UPDATES.
that beats Apple with their iPhone 3gs.
It's gone from 2.2 all the way to 4.0 with numerous huge sense upgrades.
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That's cause the Desire HD IS a flagship device.
But I hope so, we will get custom ICS from HTC ONE V. I think it will be brilliant
I don't think the desire z will get a OTA update either. I think they plan it this way so that we have to upgrade and won't be content on sticking it out with our old devices. Either way the desire z will get ICS from cm9 most likely. It's taken longer then I wanted but I know it's in the works.
Just use Andromadus. I know it's not official, but you can rock it now. Which counts for a lot.
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what my opinion is that HTC released the sense 3 OTA to make people either root, or upgrade.. my guess is that HTC will never release any OTA anymore
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If this was Samsung, then I would agree with the Desire Z getting ICS. However HTC has already given us an unlocked bootloader as well as the source code for the Desire Z. There's no need for HTC to get involved anymore. This is exactly why places like XDA are important to the rest of us who "knows" our devices are still kicking strong because then we can just do the work ourselves. And besides, even if Desire Z does get an ICS update: the majority of us will still prefer Custom ROMs anyways. This way, everybody wins. HTC maintains a healthy reputation with us and we get to save some money.
heh, by "we", I mean the talented devs that still support our devices. I'm personally useless.
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If this was Samsung, then I would agree with the Desire Z getting ICS. However HTC has already given us an unlocked bootloader as well as the source code for the Desire Z. There's no need for HTC to get involved anymore. This is exactly why places like XDA are important to the rest of us who "knows" our devices are still kicking strong because then we can just do the work ourselves. And besides, even if Desire Z does get an ICS update: the majority of us will still prefer Custom ROMs anyways. This way, everybody wins. HTC maintains a healthy reputation with us and we get to save some money.
heh, by "we", I mean the talented devs that still support our devices. I'm personally useless.
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I agree, I think there would be two benefits of having ICS come officially to Desire Z / G2. First would be that that ROM would be a lot easier to modify and tinker with by the dev's then what they are working with currently. The second benefit would be in the form of less people asking for eta's on cm9. I would rather use a custom version of a rom than a stock rom, but the same doesn't go for everybody. I bet a lot of the traffic on xda is people just wanting ICS on their device period.
I can't wait when HTC relase HTC One V I think, we will get ICS with sense 4.0 with out of problems
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I can't wait when HTC relase HTC One V I think, we will get ICS with sense 4.0 with out of problems
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But the camera driver for ICS issue remains... This is the "problem".
Here's how you can help with getting a camera source/driver from HTC email them asking for one
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1425324
Mayb we can get this link in the 1st post?
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But the camera driver for ICS issue remains... This is the "problem".
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Its always hard to find out the type of camera is on what phone.. the only thing i could find for the One V camera is that it is also a 5MP camera. (Secretly hoping it has the same sensors as ours )
Anyways to get back on the ICS for DZ. I still would like to have it for this phone only because it will have a rotating launcher..
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Its always hard to find out the type of camera is on what phone.. the only thing i could find for the One V camera is that it is also a 5MP camera. (Secretly hoping it has the same sensors as ours )
Anyways to get back on the ICS for DZ. I still would like to have it for this phone only because it will have a rotating launcher..
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Wasn't HTC saying that they're using some kind of new "imaging chip" for enhancing their photos with their new lineup?
Also, did the Desire Z ever get an update to Sense 3.0?
magic_android said:
Wasn't HTC saying that they're using some kind of new "imaging chip" for enhancing their photos with their new lineup?
Also, did the Desire Z ever get an update to Sense 3.0?
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I dont know about the imaging chip i read something about the picture quality being better but not really looked in it very much xd
And no, the Desire Z never got that update. My quess it that is was to memory hungry so they wont update it. But maybe we will get lucky on this one. You'll never know
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But the camera driver for ICS issue remains... This is the "problem".
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ICS is coming to both the Desire HD and Desire S, both of which use the same chipset (including camera chip) as our phone. So the problem should be solved soon (One V probably won't be out much sooner, if at all).
Sent from my Desire Z running CM7.
If some developer port kernel from desire hd then probably we will have full working ICS with sense ui. Port from Desire HD is easy.
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ICS is coming to both the Desire HD and Desire S, both of which use the same chipset (including camera chip) as our phone. So the problem should be solved soon (One V probably won't be out much sooner, if at all).
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Hum, that's good!
Does anyone think that we can get HTC one V port? Coz the spec almost similar to our device, hopefully we can get ICS with sense 4.0 rom soon.
So impatient... The device hasn't even hit the market yet.
And considering how active the g2/dz dev community is, I wouldn't be surprised to see it not too long after the rom gets released.
Don't upset the dev's!
I've tried different 4.0 ROM's and while they are awesome, they are not even what I would considered "fit" for everyday use. 4.0 itself is still new, I think we're lucky to just have that so far. But as far as Sense on top of ICS? I think it's a stretch, for the time being. I would rather see just effort going towards perfecting the stock 4.0 for G2/Desire Z, rather then have the dev's effort split and trying to do that as well. I'm not a developer myself, it doesn't sound like you are either but if you want that port any time soon, might as well get working on it
It would be very interesting to know what CPU is in the One V. Let's hope it uses the same as the Desire HD, then it should be straightforward to port.
Having said that, the Desire S and DHD will be getting official ICS ports anyway, so it's a matter of "when" rather than "if" for us.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but according to this web site:
http://www.geeksailor.com/htc-one-x-htc-one-v-htc-one-s/
The HTC one V have a snapdragon S2 chipset.
Which led me to this table:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snapdragon_(system_on_chip)
With 1 GHz, there is only one chipset, the MSM8255.
The same as the Desire HD!!!
Also, I've just done another search with Google and I got this page:
http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=3382&c=htc_one_v
Look for the processor: the MSM8255!!!
So maybe the port will be a lot more easier than before.
Edit: It looks smooth:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahrv6f2_LfI
ICS
I am more concerned about the 512 RAM in HTC One V making it more similar to the DZ. (I though it is dual-core, but no)
If the V handles ICS WITH(!) Sense our DZ's would easily handle stock ICS (as talked about in other threads) in my opinion.
We'll be one of the first to know about it... HERE...
Can't wait to see that happen...
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As far as i know, which could be all wrong, the V comes with ICS, but with Sense 3.6 (kind of a light version of Sense 4) which is why it can handle both. Personally, i think the sense version it carries must be less resource consuming that 3.5 and 3.0 which would be reason for it being able to run with ICS
But in any case, im eager to see this ported!!
Unbelievable how HTC cheapened this out big time. Even Samsung's budget phones at MWC use S3 variants! But hey why complain if this would feed code to our G2's no?
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As far as i know, which could be all wrong, the V comes with ICS, but with Sense 3.6 (kind of a light version of Sense 4) which is why it can handle both. Personally, i think the sense version it carries must be less resource consuming that 3.5 and 3.0 which would be reason for it being able to run with ICS
But in any case, im eager to see this ported!!
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According to http://www.htc.com/www/smartphones/htc-one-v/#specs
One V comes with Sense 4. I think that the difference between Sense 4 and Sense 3.6 will be ImageSense. Not some kind of light version.
Htc released a statement saying they realized sense is bloated now and is going to slim down))))
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Htc released a statement saying they realized sense is bloated now and is going to slim down))))
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Yes! I posted a pool here to get an opinion. I'd say that this is awesomeistic!
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According to http://www.htc.com/www/smartphones/htc-one-v/#specs
One V comes with Sense 4. I think that the difference between Sense 4 and Sense 3.6 will be ImageSense. Not some kind of light version.
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Would you mind explaining what ImageSense is ? Google shows something about a defunct design company.
Has the RUU been leaked yet? When it has or been officially released I'm gunna try port it
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It will be race who first port this Rom.
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I would rather not have a FULL One V port, and have a One V with rotating rosie and the 3D task manager thingy.
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Would you mind explaining what ImageSense is ? Google shows something about a defunct design company.
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ImageSense is HTC's version of camera software that allows the One Series of phones to take pictures in under a second. It also enables them to take still pictures WHILE recording in 720p. If i remember correctly, both Samsung and Motorola have their respective versions with similar capabilities as well.
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Skip to about 1:20 of the video.
http://www.engadget.com/2012/02/26/htc-one-s-hands-on-at-mwc-2012/
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http://www.engadget.com/2012/03/04/htc-releases-imagesense-samples/
One V port
Before One V is released Sense 4.0 will be released for Sensation and other already existing devices. Porting from these will be easier than waiting for one V to release.
Port should work fine. Same RAM etc.
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Sensation and Sensation XE is supposed to get ICS with Sense 3.5 (looks like for now) very soon. Not sure if they'll push Sense 4.0 to them yet though (haven't seen anything yet)
Once the RUU comes, the magic will start.