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Does a modern html5 site like this http://sammystodos.brandonaaron.net
works on Nexus One or Desire?
It seems that the browser doesn't support standards as much as safari on iPhone..

Chrome is by far the best browser on the market, followed by Opera.
Eventually they will merge everything that desktop's Chrome can do into Android..
But so far - yes, that website works fine, except for editing the fields that you added. I assume that can easily be fixed by tweaking the site itself.

I can confirm that its working on the nexus one with to stock browser.
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Works for me with the stock browser.
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DarkDvr said:
Chrome is by far the best browser on the market, followed by Opera.
Eventually they will merge everything that desktop's Chrome can do into Android..
But so far - yes, that website works fine, except for editing the fields that you added. I assume that can easily be fixed by tweaking the site itself.
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Which "Chrome" browser are you speaking of? I see a couple that say they only replace the logo, but none claiming to be anything different than the stock browser.

Sorry can u post a screenshot because I tried it in an emulator and I just see the background

No problem

Thanks a lot!
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No problem
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Can you actually type?
I tried it on the Desire browser and it looks exactly like yours, but I cannot type. Holding the Menu button to bring up the keyboard doesn't work either.
Checking the checkboxes and using the trash can icon to delete items do work.

pjcforpres said:
Which "Chrome" browser are you speaking of? I see a couple that say they only replace the logo, but none claiming to be anything different than the stock browser.
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Google Chrome browser. I understand that Android is running a simplified version of Chrome on the PDAs.
http://www.favbrowser.com/chrome-vs-opera-vs-firefox-vs-internet-explorer-vs-safari/

Paul22000 said:
Can you actually type?
I tried it on the Desire browser and it looks exactly like yours, but I cannot type. Holding the Menu button to bring up the keyboard doesn't work either.
Checking the checkboxes and using the trash can icon to delete items do work.
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Ah, no... same on the stock browser

DarkDvr said:
Google Chrome browser. I understand that Android is running a simplified version of Chrome on the PDAs.
http://www.favbrowser.com/chrome-vs-opera-vs-firefox-vs-internet-explorer-vs-safari/
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So the stock Android browser?

The Android browser isn't Chrome. They're both WebKit based though.

Rusty! said:
The Android browser isn't Chrome. They're both WebKit based though.
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Yeah I know.. but I betcha they use a lot of the same code.
Why rewrite the whole thing of they're both based on WebKit and Chrome obviously has awesome code.

I think the N900 might have the best mobile browser, my brother has one and it's pretty slick.

Lazarpandar said:
I think the N900 might have the best mobile browser, my brother has one and it's pretty slick.
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How is it better?

It's Fennec, which can do everything Firefox can do, including making use of the desktop addons, and it supports Flash 9.4

This will be an ongoing problem with HTML5.
"how does it look on this browser ??"
This is what people dont get about Flash. You have complete control over how everything looks. You dont have that control in HTML , everything is still browser dependent.
Not saying this cant be ironed out..but the impression that a <video> tag is going to solve HTMLs shortcomings is silly. As it stands the browsers are already divided over codec support.

Hi guys, i wanna take advantage of this thread to now more real-life web browsing issues.
How well works this sites on the N1 or HTC Desire browser? (without adding any ad-hoc apps)
- www.facebook.com (does the chat work?)
- www.google.com/reader
- www.google.com/analytics
- www.youtube.com/html5 (how well run the html5 video)
Can u compare them to a normal web browser or iphone?

Hulu Denies Android 2.2 Flash Player!?!? MUST SEE

So reading up on this. It is not official that I know of at this moment.
But hulu was a no show for Google I/O 2010, and this was found
TECH.ICRONTIC.COM----Hulu is another big name at the top of everyone’s list when Flash is mentioned, but they’ve decided to sit this one out. Hulu has blocked Android 2.2’s Flash player citing copyright concerns; their content providers don’t want to be seen on any device but the desktop.
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PC WORLD.COM---Missing from all of this Flash action, of course, is Hulu. I was really disappointed when I tried-and ultimately failed-to watch an episode of "30 Rock" on the Nexus One. According to Adobe, Hulu does not own distribution rights for their content on mobile devices and therefore cannot stream video to smartphones. With no Hulu on the iPad and no Hulu on your Android phone, isn't time for Hulu to develop an app? Let's hope so.
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ENGADGET.COM---Also not on the docket? Hulu -- it's being blocked due to content licensing issues, and our inquiries with that company turned up nil.
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http://tech.icrontic.com/news/android-2-2-is-official-froyos-features-and-phones-revealed/
http://www.pcworld.com/article/196727/first_look_android_22_froyo_with_flash_player_101.html
http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/20/flash-10-1-for-android-beta-unveiled-hulu-a-no-show-froyo-now/
UPDATE: The news seems to be true, as I am awaiting an email from HULU. Will post ASAP
Update: Hulu is refusing to comment, however you cannot play hulu on android flash. BUT there is a trick...See here

Apparently Hulu doesn't have the rights to broadcast their content to any non-desktop devices. That's something they'll have to sort out with the networks.

They also go on to say that this could very well be a temporary lock as Flash hasn't hit the mobile market in full yet. Once it's out on the handsets (~Jun 17th) that lock will probably be lifted. Also, I wouldn't worry so much. If you have a rooted phone, you can always use a proxy and change your UserAgent to something that is supported.

Change your user agent to desktop (through about:debug) and it loads fine.
The videos play badly though. Audio comes in clear, but the framerate is terrible, more like a slideshow.

mortzz said:
Change your user agent to desktop (through about:debug) and it loads fine.
The videos play badly though. Audio comes in clear, but the framerate is terrible, more like a slideshow.
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Which browser are you using on the Nexus that you have the about:debug option?

mortzz said:
Change your user agent to desktop (through about:debug) and it loads fine.
The videos play badly though. Audio comes in clear, but the framerate is terrible, more like a slideshow.
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Be curious to see the result on froyo.

chesh420 said:
Which browser are you using on the Nexus that you have the about:debug option?
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Stock Chrome browser. Type that in, hit enter, and go to settings. All the way at the bottom you have the option to change your user agent (among other things) to Android, Desktop (as OSX IIRC), and iPhone.
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Be curious to see the result on froyo.
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This is of Froyo, but it's an early non accelerated Flashplayer 10.1

I've read hulu blocks all non-desktop users because they can't control who see's it. Technically I think it is only legal for U.S. residents to watch the shows on hulu and if it is a mobile phone they can't detect where they are.

bougelahi said:
I've read hulu blocks all non-desktop users because they can't control who see's it. Technically I think it is only legal for U.S. residents to watch the shows on hulu and if it is a mobile phone they can't detect where they are.
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They detect through IP address though.

mortzz said:
Stock Chrome browser. Type that in, hit enter, and go to settings. All the way at the bottom you have the option to change your user agent (among other things) to Android, Desktop (as OSX IIRC), and iPhone.
This is of Froyo, but it's an early non accelerated Flashplayer 10.1
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Hrm, not working for me. Must be cause of the tweaks done in the Cyanogen builds. When I click Go, it just goes back to the last web page I viewed and does nothing.

chesh420 said:
Hrm, not working for me. Must be cause of the tweaks done in the Cyanogen builds. When I click Go, it just goes back to the last web page I viewed and does nothing.
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It's not supposed to do anything. Go to settings after you hit enter.

Back on topic please

mortzz said:
They detect through IP address though.
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not if you use your wifi.
chesh420 said:
Hrm, not working for me. Must be cause of the tweaks done in the Cyanogen builds. When I click Go, it just goes back to the last web page I viewed and does nothing.
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you have to type that in, then go to your browser settings and you have new options to pick. UAstring is at the bottom. the stock browser has always had this trick.

http://www.phonescoop.com/articles/article.php?a=371
Video of Hulu working on a Nexus One running froyo and flash 10.1... interesting.

pjcforpres said:
http://www.phonescoop.com/articles/article.php?a=371
Video of Hulu working on a Nexus One running froyo and flash 10.1... interesting.
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Sorry to kill your post, but you never see a hulu video working. This actually supports that HULU is not letting us view vids

Hulu is likely finishing their pay subscription licensing issues before rolling out full video support to mobile devices.
I'd be surprised if they werent working on both at the same time. Hopefully we will see the mobile audience addressed when the "new" Hulu is released.

spazoid said:
Sorry to kill your post, but you never see a hulu video working. This actually supports that HULU is not letting us view vids
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He only had XX amount of time for the video and didn't want to waste it waiting for it to load, if you read the article he says it did load and play the video, he just had to move on during the filming since he wanted to show other stuff on the video.
Edit: Here is the quote:
"I then visited Hulu.com. All of the content on Hulu.com worked as intended by the designers of the web site. I was able to navigate and play various videos with few problems. Video playback worked just as it does on a desktop web browser. I did the same with MTVMusic.com, which is a great place to watch music videos for free. All the video played just fine."
I frequent that site a fair ammount, and their review videos follow the same format, they don't like waiting for stuff to happen, and they try and keep them inside a time limit... we asked about it once, and they said they like to keep their videos to 7 minutes or less.
I also asked in the "discuss" tab about it, for further clarification. They respond pretty quickly, but might not until tomorrow since it is late in the day.

RogerPodacter said:
not if you use your wifi.
you have to type that in, then go to your browser settings and you have new options to pick. UAstring is at the bottom. the stock browser has always had this trick.
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Right, which was my point. They're not going to be blocking mobile users by IP addresses, which is their only method of blocking aside from user agents (which are easily spoofed).

I can also watch Hulu videos on the Desire ROM, with Dolphin Browser HD (which uses the Flash 10 Lite from the ROM) and by setting my user agent to 'Desktop'. Apparently they haven't made all the proper modifications to block us entirely.

mortzz said:
Right, which was my point. They're not going to be blocking mobile users by IP addresses, which is their only method of blocking aside from user agents (which are easily spoofed).
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Have you implied you have FroYo earlier? If you do, then please please dump for us ... you know what I mean.

[Request] Hcomb Browser Fix

The main app any tablet user uses is the Browser I'd assume and unfortunately its the weak spot on Honeycomb.
Viewing most desktop sites is very unbearable (try facebook, XDA, Google Plus) as the page lags, and text input is very difficult as well (huge lag)
Do any devs have any idea how to improve the speed on this stock browser in custom roms or so, I remember a kernel on the Xoom fixed things
This link has more info:
http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=17353

If we could get a fix for this I could finally love my tab.

There is a lot less lag on the bonsai rom, but it's not completely gone. Ultimately google will have to be the to fix it.

theyve never mentioned it /acknowledged it
thats the worrying part

Ya know what actually, as,much as i dont like the look of the browser, opera mobile is the best functioning browser ive ever used. There is no browser lag, it render eveything exactly the way my desktop does. Im very suprised that google cannot mirror whatever opera mobile has done.
Ill give you an example of where opera finally got it right...
Try and do a search on xdas site and see what happens. It opens the text box for a second and then it drops the keyboard. Its never works and it is so annoying.
Now try it on opera mobile. Oh my god, it works!
It doesnt work on dolphin, firefox or any other browser ive tried. Opera mobile it works. Can a super sharp coder figure out a way to take whatever opera has in it and put it in the stock HC browser??

it`strange becouse in some forums is all ok, in other the text is very very slow :-(

EyeAndroid said:
Ya know what actually, as,much as i dont like the look of the browser, opera mobile is the best functioning browser ive ever used. There is no browser lag, it render eveything exactly the way my desktop does. Im very suprised that google cannot mirror whatever opera mobile has done.
Ill give you an example of where opera finally got it right...
Try and do a search on xdas site and see what happens. It opens the text box for a second and then it drops the keyboard. Its never works and it is so annoying.
Now try it on opera mobile. Oh my god, it works!
It doesnt work on dolphin, firefox or any other browser ive tried. Opera mobile it works. Can a super sharp coder figure out a way to take whatever opera has in it and put it in the stock HC browser??
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I tried Opera and everything works great except two things. the first is that often times you will enter text in a text box, and then when you minimize the keyboard to click the submit button, it removes everything you just typed! I had this happen to me about 5 times and then I gave up and uninstalled it. The other issue is mainly a preference, but the tabs suck! Give me real tabs like the stock browser. opera and Firefox have a horrible tab implementation on Android.

EvoXOhio said:
often times you will enter text in a text box, and then when you minimize the keyboard to click the submit button, it removes everything you just typed!
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i hate this thing more of the input lag , when it succeed often i close my browser and don't write more becouse i'm frustrated

Plus I am very tired of getting to the "mobile" version of the websites.
Its a 10 inch Tablet..
Google needs to give this thing a Desktop identity and load the desktop version of the websites. One thing Apple is doing right with the iPad.
Even better get rid of this Chrome Based Android Mobile Browser and put there the real Chrome.

nMIK-3 said:
Plus I am very tired of getting to the "mobile" version of the websites.
Its a 10 inch Tablet..
Google needs to give this thing a Desktop identity and load the desktop version of the websites. One thing Apple is doing right with the iPad.
Even better get rid of this Chrome Based Android Mobile Browser and put there the real Chrome.
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+1
even when I've manually set the useragent to a desktop browser, I still get kicked to the mobile versions of some sites. And sites like...google search, which should know better!
I've tested a bunch of browsers at this point and none of them are perfect. I think dolphin comes closest, but it definitely has little things that are annoying (such as it being way to easy to close the wrong tab)

nMIK-3 said:
Plus I am very tired of getting to the "mobile" version of the websites.
Its a 10 inch Tablet..
Google needs to give this thing a Desktop identity and load the desktop version of the websites. One thing Apple is doing right with the iPad.
Even better get rid of this Chrome Based Android Mobile Browser and put there the real Chrome.
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If you type in about:debug in the browser you can go into the settings and change the uastring setting
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ninja984 said:
If you type in about:debug in the browser you can go into the settings and change the uastring setting
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I know. But after a while is going back to default.
I cant changing and play with the settings every other day.
Plus regular people cannot deal with such advance settings. I personally know 3 people they went with the iPad because of this.

SS2006 said:
The main app any tablet user uses is the Browser I'd assume and unfortunately its the weak spot on Honeycomb.
Viewing most desktop sites is very unbearable (try facebook, XDA, Google Plus) as the page lags, and text input is very difficult as well (huge lag)
Do any devs have any idea how to improve the speed on this stock browser in custom roms or so, I remember a kernel on the Xoom fixed things
This link has more info:
http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=17353
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I am a little confused. I don't have an issue with the browser or the typing...The pages load and scroll perfect and there is little to no lag at all on my typing. There can be a slight lag at times when i use the Keyboard/Dock but that is it.
Does anyone else have no issue?

[Q] Any way to browse without it being seen as mobile device?

Any way to make it happen? A lot of people he websites i've tried are giving me the mobile site and it's getting on my nerves.
Thanks

Yes, change the user agent in the advanced parameters of your browser.

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Yes, change the user agent in the advanced parameters of your browser.
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Unfortunately, you will have to do this after each reboot of the device. This has been an issue from the earliest versions of Android and Google seem to be incapable of finding a solution to what on the face of it seems to be a relatively simple problem.

tonyblack said:
Unfortunately, you will have to do this after each reboot of the device. This has been an issue from the earliest versions of Android and Google seem to be incapable of finding a solution to what on the face of it seems to be a relatively simple problem.
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Dolphin Pad seems to be a bit better about remembering this...although some sites still insist on loading the mobile versions, at least it seems to remember the setting once it's set. It's a good browser anyway, I keep going back and forth between the normal browser and it, can't decide which one I like better. Both are good.

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Dolphin Pad seems to be a bit better about remembering this...although some sites still insist on loading the mobile versions, at least it seems to remember the setting once it's set. It's a good browser anyway, I keep going back and forth between the normal browser and it, can't decide which one I like better. Both are good.
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What are you talking about? I set defalt browser to desktop a month ago and it still shows as desktop.

That's not the same thing - that just renders in desktop mode. Sites can (and some still) redirect you to an m. version. The difference being major HTML/CSS /JS(Q) etc. Optimization for mobile browsing is still a concern for a lot of Web developers.
You can set to render Desktop but the sites that check mostly doesn't care what you have it set at. If you don't meet its criteria for a Desktop browser they will redirect you to a m. version (IF they have that functionality in place - not all sites do)
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I'd also like to add that the the UserAgent setting not being permanent is in all likelihood a Honeycomb bug. Nobody can get it to stick using the stock browser however it works flawlessly on 2.x OS versions.

I just went into the browser settings, under advanced, changed to desktop and I don't get the mobile sites anymore.

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I just went into the browser settings, under advanced, changed to desktop and I don't get the mobile sites anymore.
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Same Here.

I just type about:debug and change the string to desktop. You need to do it every reboot but it is true desktop.
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browser goes on mobile mode after 3.2.1 update

As i say in the title, after the last update i have an issue with the browser and i can see many websites in mobile mode only. In the settings i have (as usual) user agent = desktop !
I have :
1) cleared the cache
2) done a cold boot
3) changed user agent in mobile mode - reboot - changed again in dektop mode - reboot
but without a positive result -_-
Please tell me anything i can do. Thanks.
P.S.
I'm not the only one with this issue, according with comments seen in some blog...

Same here

:/
But where is or when come out the solution ?
Asus knows this issue ?

The only solution I have had is to switch browsers. I find that one must have the stock browser as well as Opera and Dolphin, at a minimum. Each one seems to see the same site in different ways

Same here. Browser in general seems less buggy and much faster but many websites, such as the Gawker family, seem to be trying to force mobile no matter what now. In fact setting user agent to tablet seems to fix this for some sites while desktop works for others or neither work.

Same here too. It's very annoying and I don't see any improvement in the stock browser. Still loads web pages slowly and I can still see blocks when scrolling on some sites.
Otherwise SuperNote is nice but it's not enough to make the update worthy.

I agree Nikola ! Browser is same as before but with this issue.
I use Maxthon browser for now...i hope this bug will be solved sooooon.

How the hell is it that Google, the author of the best browser around (Chrome), can screw up the Android built-in browser so bad?!!?!??!
Geez - as hard as I tried, I just cannot use it as my default browser any more... Back to Dolphin!

I accidently found a fix by flashing the Circle battery/Xoom button file.

I have this problem with dolphon
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Same hehe with asus and revolver rom

Thanks for posting this. I mentioned it the FW threads but it probably got buried. I have been having the same problem with no fix in sight. NYtimes.com just won't force to desktop mode, and neither does Google! Using Opera for now...

IF I'm not mistaken, both google and NY Times have an option within the web page for desktop version. If it's there it will be in tiny font

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IF I'm not mistaken, both google and NY Times have an option within the web page for desktop version. If it's there it will be in tiny font
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Google has, but NY Times does not.
For NY Times (international access) the quickest way is to select the "Site help" link and from that page the "Go to home page". That brings up the desktop view of the home page.
Too bad we have to apply all sort of tricks when it's Google that didn't test enough before releasing updates to the browser.

Diodato said:
Google has, but NY Times does not.
For NY Times (international access) the quickest way is to select the "Site help" link and from that page the "Go to home page". That brings up the desktop view of the home page.
Too bad we have to apply all sort of tricks when it's Google that didn't test enough before releasing updates to the browser.
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Right...however NY Times opens in the desktop version on both Opera and Dolphin

If you are fortunate enough to have rooted your Transformer then you can apply my fix that I posted here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=18053134&postcount=469
For Users that do not have root, given that Asus added the new user-agent url lookup thing then I hops they will soon do something on their server so that the Desktop setting brings up Normal web pages and not mobile ones.

I see NYT in full without any tricks. Some sites were pushing mobile versions, but after finding link for full version on each one everything is fine.
However, new browser brings drop down button with back/forth/reload buttons, so you don't need to scroll from bottom to top for them. Big thing. Also I found option for openning new tab in background, although I am not sure if it was there before.
What I need (besides more speed) is back/forth history on long press, so I can jump several pages. And a spell checker.
I would also like content of browser to be preserved in memory when I am using another application. Android is too aggresive in clearing memmory, flushing to storage should be used.

Thanks Roach, you are indispensable.
Then a new firmware is not needed because, as noticed, sometime a website goes on mobile mode and sometime goes on desktop mode.
Right ?

eb50 said:
I have this problem with dolphon
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Dolphin have user agent switch, change from Dolphin to Desktop.
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That doesn't work for me in Dolphin. Got agent set to desktop but still some sites are shown as mobile, e.g. engadget.com.