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Hating this @#&!% Phone; ready to toss it like John Locke

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Came from WinMo 6.5.x HD2 and a former Blackberry user. First go at Android. Got my Evo on launch day and I was super happy with it and the OS in general. Fast forward to a week later and I'm ready to toss it.
1. First there was a dead pixel and yellow streaks on any white background.
2. A little light leaking at the bottom but I had already read about that before buying in.
3. Then now the screen is rising at the bottom. Pressing down on it makes it feel like the screen has suspension; what is this a Blackberry Storm?!?!?!
4. And my fav is the fact that my device likes to reset itself at will. The phone just sits on my desk and all of a sudden the screen lights up and then it begins the reset 4G logo and all that jazz. It's now happened over a dozen times in just the last 3 days (Maybe more while I slept).
Now RadioShack keeps telling me they are getting more in and then they all get sold before I get there. They keep telling me they are going to hold one for me but of course they don't do so and instead make a new sale. Told them just now, that I'm done and am just going to bring my phone back and end my new contract and take my business somewhere else.
I do not trust the Evo! Anyone who has an Evo and says they don't have issues is just setting themselves up for issues later. The Evo has issues sooner or later. For some of us it has been sooner, and for the rest of you, it will be later. I've had 3 HD2's and still have one and they never had any of these issues. The build quality on the HD2 was much better, not to mention the thinness made for a perfect size and feel. If you are used to the feel of the HD2, then you'll miss how this it is once you handle the Evo. Days later and I still dislike how thick the Evo is (all other dim are just fine).
Now the question is what to get next??? I do really like Android but the Nexus One is an ugly little phone to my eyes and all the rest also have screens too small. I guess I don't have little princess girlie hands and so I can't understand the complaints about 4 inch + screen devices being too big. At this point I'm ready to try the iPhone 4G even though the small screen and no removable battery, bug me a lot. So they claim Apple has great build quality and that's one thing I want for sure. Then again I also want to try the Samsung Galaxy S but I can't get confirmation as to when it will be release here and on what carrier first. The Cell Phone Gods are really raining something wicked on this gadget loving dude........
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Why not just go to a Sprint Corporate store with your phone and have them order you a new one.. Atleast then you won't get the run around from Radio Shack. I agree, you've got some issues there, but that's not to say your next phone will be the same. Sounds like you got a total lemon to me...

A lot of the issues you describe seem to be specific to one particular hardware revision of the EVO. If you search around on the forum you will see that people with units from earlier batches seem to be plagued by this stuff. My experience has been exactly the opposite, with the only unwanted resets occurring when I've been hacking the phone. If you can hold out for a replacement from a newer batch, I'm sure you will be a lot more satisfied.

They have a 30 day return period, right? It is there to remedy users like you feeling like they are stuck with a device they don't want. *edit* Maybe not since you indicated you bought at the crap shack. I'm not familiar with their return policy as I bought online from Sprint direct.
Even jailbroken, I will never be on the iPhone band wagon with you, but I hope it works out on your end.
As far as XDA goes, if you stay you will be isolated in the iPhone general forum here.
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WOW....you know whats funny?..The same story your telling happened to me, BUT i had an HD2. The HD2 was the biggest POS i have ever owned in my entire life. The EVO has treated me well and i have NONE of the issues stated.
Clearly you have a bad phone. I say you either try and wait to snatch up a good working phone OR jump ship, iPhone 4. I had an iPhone for 2years...its a great phone!

what will ranting do? we see these posts daily on android forums, ppc geeks and xda.... htc nor sprint are looking at these posts.
look, if you are not happy with the device, return it for a FULL REFUND. then go to bestbuy tomorrow and pre order the iphone4. easy peasy lemon squeezy...

marctronixx said:
what will ranting do? we see these posts daily on android forums, ppc geeks and xda.... htc nor sprint are looking at these posts.
look, if you are not happy with the device, return it for a FULL REFUND. then go to bestbuy tomorrow and pre order the iphone4. easy peasy lemon squeezy...
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Funniest thing i have heard all day

Thanks for your input guys!
Last night I read page after page on all the popular forums and blogs. It seems that these issues (mainly the screen rising) are happening to many folks out there. Some people are claiming the same things are happening on replacement phones as well. And again, I'm sitting here playing around with both the Evo and HD2 and I just keep wishing that the Evo will look over at the HD2, get inspired and suck in its stomach to be a little thinner like the HD2. Ha!
The pictures of the glue being the issue with the screen, really leads me to believe that it's just a matter of time until it happens to all of the current Evo's sold or about to be sold. I'm sure they’ll fix the issue with yet to be assembled Evo's but I don't trust the current batch to stay solid. I just don't want to invest hours and hours of my life tweaking the heck out of a device and then have to get rid of it in a few months. As I type right now, I thought my phone was about to start ringing but nope it was the resetting again.
Oh well......Gotta do something though because having a working phone is a must......

marctronixx said:
what will ranting do? we see these posts daily on android forums, ppc geeks and xda.... htc nor sprint are looking at these posts.
look, if you are not happy with the device, return it for a FULL REFUND. then go to bestbuy tomorrow and pre order the iphone4. easy peasy lemon squeezy...
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Relax! Just letting off a little steam and sharing my experience with the rest of the class. After all this is a forum for sharing the good, bad and everything in between........
If I do go for the iPhone, I think I'll be the only person who gets a case just to cover up the Apple logo on the back. I really dislike doing the popular phone. Around my town, there is a whole breed of kids who drive Volkswagen Jetta's (or BMW 3 series with lease payments they can hardly afford); shop at The Gap and drink Starbuck daily if not hourly and all have iPhones. I'd like to stay away from becoming more and more like them. Okay all joking aside, I'm not an Apple fan but I would like to just stick with something nice this month.

If you do switch...
Which I think if you just try one more time, you'll stay.. If not then I would get the Iphone 4, It looks pretty sweet. I came to this new Evo from being a 3GS PROUD owner, I loved that phone, there wasn't a thing that I couldn't do with that phone. or a single App, widget or way I couldn't make it behave. (sorry)
I used and abused that phone. Battery worked like new after 2 years of abuse and tethering. Not one single problem with that phone. As for jailbreaking future, they will have 4.0 broken, they already do. and thats all you need to get everything you want.
What I would do is, and I'm startin to think about it too...
Go up to the main store like dude up top said, and give it a try, if you still have like a week left you can slow play it out to the last second and if they don't get it or refuse, then just cut it off. Get your money back and go get a freakin Iphone! and even tell em when you leave, "F*** THIS! I'M GETTI'N A IPHONE!!

have to agree that the hd2 build quality blows the evo away. most people wouldn't notice the things i notice but the power button on my evo is uneven and the camera is slightly crooked. not a deal breaker just bad quality. i did return my first unit because of a dead pixel.

BAleR said:
Which I think if you just try one more time, you'll stay.. If not then I would get the Iphone 4, It looks pretty sweet. I came to this new Evo from being a 3GS PROUD owner, I loved that phone, there wasn't a thing that I couldn't do with that phone. or a single App, widget or way I couldn't make it behave. (sorry)
I used and abused that phone. Battery worked like new after 2 years of abuse and tethering. Not one single problem with that phone. As for jailbreaking future, they will have 4.0 broken, they already do. and thats all you need to get everything you want.
What I would do is, and I'm startin to think about it too...
Go up to the main store like dude up top said, and give it a try, if you still have like a week left you can slow play it out to the last second and if they don't get it or refuse, then just cut it off. Get your money back and go get a freakin Iphone! and even tell em when you leave, "F*** THIS! I'M GETTI'N A IPHONE!!
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I've been using 4inch + screens since 2004 (HP Pocket PC's) and I'm not sure I'll be able to go smaller so right now that's my main issue with the iPhone. Going to the 4.3" screen of the Evo, could you see yourself going back to a 3.5" screen?

Sounds like you have a lemon. No need to *****, bring it back to sprint or radio shack and get a new one or your money back.
Simple solution. If they don't have one ask sprint to order it for you.

AshMa said:
Days later and I still dislike how thick the Evo is (all other dim are just fine).
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I hate to admit it but you are a much better man than I.
I cannot tell a 1.7mm difference in my hand when not holding both together, side by side, even then it's tough. (considering that a microSD card is approx. 1mm in thickness). Nor can I tell the difference of 13 grams in weight (.4585 ounces).
You must have superhuman senses or a micrometer.

Aridon said:
Sounds like you have a lemon. No need to *****, bring it back to sprint or radio shack and get a new one or your money back.
Simple solution. If they don't have one ask sprint to order it for you.
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So just to be clear; if someone goes to a forum devoted to a device and begins to explain their experience with said device, it is *****ing as long as said experience is negative in nature? However, should one's experience be positive; then those comments are not to be considered *****ing? Okay, glad we're all on the same page here. Makes all the sense in the world......
Again as I've already stated; I ported in from T-Mobile. If I return my phone to RadioShack, then I will be ending my new Sprint contract and have to start a new contract elsewhere and in doing so, I will most likely not be able to keep my number of 10 years (not an option or risk I can take).

misticjeff said:
I hate to admit it but you are a much better man than I.
I cannot tell a 1.7mm difference in my hand when not holding both together, side by side, even then it's tough. (considering that a microSD card is approx. 1mm in thickness). Nor can I tell the difference of 13 grams in weight (.4585 ounces).
You must have superhuman senses or a micrometer.
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Haha! Really, I'm 6'1 and I'm guessing I have pretty big hands because I don't think any 4"+ screen device is too big. And the Evo can fit in my shirt or pants pockets with no problem. But after 2 months on the HD2, I really do miss how slim it's profile feels. I just picked them both up and I can't see how you or anyone else couldn't feel a difference. It may not be a big a big deal to many and would be even less so to me, had I never had the HD2 first.

boredmug said:
Why not just go to a Sprint Corporate store with your phone and have them order you a new one.. Atleast then you won't get the run around from Radio Shack. I agree, you've got some issues there, but that's not to say your next phone will be the same. Sounds like you got a total lemon to me...
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Agreed, you got a lemon, go back and replace it. Sprint is good on that except since there is a shortage you might have to wait a bit... :\
good luck on the next one. It's honestly a good & cool phone. All the phones i have seen in person hasn't had any of these issues.

Hating my Evo now but still loving Android
So I have issues with my Evo and a hunch that I'm not alone in having problems. But does posting about it, make me a troll? That would be strange considering I wrote the below post right after I got my hands on an Evo.
My Evo experience from another post, BEFORE the issues started:
"I should be thanking you one last time for making the best ROM for the last and best WinMo 6.5 device which should go down in history someday. I'm already missing this thread; the email alerts and all of your updates you do here, plus the regular peeps around here have been real helpful and nice here on your thread.
I'll send you a PM about my HD2 for sale. I figure I'll sell it and add a lot of my paid apps along with it on a disc and then give away the rest to anyone who wants/needs them.
I don't want to turn you or anyone else away from the HD2 because I still really love and respect it. However, I thought I'd share some of my thoughts today after getting to know the EVO.
The thinness of the HD2, beats the EVO as you hold them both, you can feel the extra bulk of the evo, even though the weight difference is not much, not too bad as the reviews I've read. A pretty big difference for me right off the bat, was that the evo' screen def looks brighter than that of the HD2. Not just at first glance but all throughout today, I keep checking them out and I say wow what is it about the evo screen as if it's brighter and has a higher resolution. But I thought they both had the same screens?!
I've been tapping away on the evo screen all day and I also have to say that even though the screen is glass, it DOES NOT feel as thick/solid (for lack of a better word), as the one on the HD2. If you tap your fingernail on the evo screen and then the HD2 screen, you can feel that it seems thinner, almost, almost seems just a bit plastic like. Perhaps people, who aren't used to the HD2, might not notice this. And then again perhaps it's all just in my head from a lack of sleep (was on my way to Radio Shack at 5:30AM after 3 hours sleep).
Moving on to things that I know you guys can relate to here on this thread. MESSAGING!!!! It works VERY WELL and looks just fine. Fine as in very good. No more of the messaging tab (no tabs at all). Swype is framed right and seems to work a bit faster and smoother than on the HD2. Also the HTC keyboard, by a huge leap, works much better on the evo. I don't know why that is but I can use the HTC keyboard now and be pretty fast, fast enough to think twice about always using Swype. Really guys, the keyboard is much improved somehow. And the best part of the HTC evo keyboard is the voice to text WORKS REALLY well. I got a text while I was driving on the freeway with the A/C mid speed, I hit the speech button and spoke 120+ characters and it got them all right. And yes I know I should not be looking at my phone while driving (which makes the whole speech thing that much more useful).
This morning I was driving to get the evo and I started to wonder if I really wanted to walk away from WinMo and my HD2. I thought about all the apps I love on the HD2 and how there are a number of things I can do with the HD2, that can't be done or done the same on Android. I would keep the HD2 because I like it that much, but at the end of the day, I'm not a wasteful person and I do appreciate the things in my life, so I figure I shouldn't just burn $400.00 (cost of the phone plus the T-Mobile early termination fee) for a device I've had for only a couple of months. I think all the flashing I did, made the HD2 feel old to me because I don't feel like I've owned it only since March 24th.
The HD2 is smooth in terms of hardware/design and even the OS (thanks to Kumar), but the evo is even more smooth in all the same ways and then some. I wouldn't have known just how much I like the device and even the OS, until I brought the device home. No longer having to worry about any app or OS feature being finger friendly, seems to matter to me, more than I realized.
Again, I'm not trying to sell anyone here on the evo. Rather I'm just sharing my thoughts and excitement about this beautiful device, which happens to be related to another beautiful device known as the HD2.
I've already rooted the evo (was a very painless process) and now comes the painful part in testing 100 apps and all that tweaking stuff......
BTW' Kumar, It's too bad about the CDMA thing because that would have been really nice, if you were doing your work on this device, right alongside the HD2.
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danknee said:
They have a 30 day return period, right? It is there to remedy users like you feeling like they are stuck with a device they don't want. *edit* Maybe not since you indicated you bought at the crap shack. I'm not familiar with their return policy as I bought online from Sprint direct.
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Well, no need to get derogatory Radioshack has the same 30-day window that everyone else has; can't sell a phone without it, part of standard negotiations with carriers. That said, replacing a defective phone is generally very easy, but with the EVO, the way it's flying off the shelves, it's not easy to get ahold of one.
Here's the problem: if a store gets ten preorders, they might get five extra phones. When those phones come in, EVERYONE who missed out before KNOWS it, because they've been asking all week, and they show up bright and early. Things can get a little hectic. If you had one set aside for exchange, oftentimes not ALL of the employees are aware (unfortunately, this sometimes happens), and said employee sees a phone and sells it. It's a risk you take with a phone like that; I personally will never buy a phone in its first batch partially because of that exact issue.
What you need to do if contact the store you bought it at, tell them to take down your name and number on a large piece of paper, and write "HOLD EVO FOR EXCHANGE" on it in huge letters. Ask them to inform EVERY employee so there can be no mistakes. That way, when the phones come in, they can physically put it aside (hide it if necessary) and call you so you can do the swap at your leisure.
Some stores just don't do many wireless exchanges, so they space things off, I'm sad to say. Sorry you've had such a miserable experience so far.

AshMa said:
Haha! Really, I'm 6'1 and I'm guessing I have pretty big hands because I don't think any 4"+ screen device is too big. And the Evo can fit in my shirt or pants pockets with no problem. But after 2 months on the HD2, I really do miss how slim it's profile feels. I just picked them both up and I can't see how you or anyone else couldn't feel a difference. It may not be a big a big deal to many and would be even less so to me, had I never had the HD2 first.
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Mostly just funnin' with ya... you'll notice in my signature that I own an HD2 as well (Telstra ATT 3G). Running an ENERGY ROM on it and love it as well. Problem for me is that WinMo has run its course and I really like Android. At the end of the day they are both nice phones, perhaps a small nod to the HD2 for design, but not enough to keep me away from the EVO.

tempted to get an iphone..

Build quality is superb,video is amazing, I feel like my evo will disintegrate within 6months.. I never had ATT but i'm sure I will hate them but I'm not much of a talker or texter.. I just like to browse the net on my phone, upload some videos on facebook/youtube,listen to my music and play a few games..
i feel my evo is consuming my life with all these new roms and such, I have very little self control, instead of focusing on school work im obsessing over the next new hack for my 002 novatec, or when I can upgrade to an 003,.. I think I need to dumb it down and get an iphone lol

Disintegrate?
Does the Evo really feel that cheap in your hands?
And, for goodness sake, glass on the BACK of the phone? Yikes.

Go get the iPhone then, no one is going to stop you but yourself. To me it sounds more like your into the most popular phone atm then anything else.
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I really don't get a cheap feel with the Evo ... design / material / quality wise.
Just because the iPhone has glass (OMGhana) all these people seem to think that it's all high end. Maybe I don't want glass. Maybe I have too much glass in my life. Christ. I digress. It's all a matter of what best suits the user.

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Hit submit a few minutes after typing that ... I see you edited the post. Guess I thought you meant build quality ... and maybe you did ... but I really don't get a cheap feel with the Evo ... design / material / quality wise.
Just because the iPhone has glass (OMGhana) all these people seem to think that it's all high end. Maybe I don't want glass. Maybe I have too much glass in my life. Christ.
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The EVO's front is amazing. But I have to say, the back could have been improved upon, no offense. I'm an HD2 owner, and I'm sure you can understand why I say what I say.

beesneazy said:
Hit submit a few minutes after typing that ... I see you edited the post. Guess I thought you meant build quality ... and maybe you did ... but I really don't get a cheap feel with the Evo ... design / material / quality wise.
Just because the iPhone has glass (OMGhana) all these people seem to think that it's all high end. Maybe I don't want glass. Maybe I have too much glass in my life. Christ.
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well its the screen separation (screen is sinking! barely push against it and it sinks in itself, affects accurate touch operations) and the flimsy backcover that makes a squeeky noise now when I hold it, the kickstand as well is making a noise, wheres the WD-40! sorry I didn't clarify this.

Yeah I can agree on that, not a big fan of the camera sticking out. Nothing a case can't fix though.
Sent from my HTC Evo 4g

Tundricles said:
Build quality is superb,video is amazing, I feel like my evo will disintegrate within 6months.. I never had ATT but i'm sure I will hate them but I'm not much of a talker or texter.. I just like to browse the net on my phone, upload some videos on facebook/youtube,listen to my music and play a few games..
i feel my evo is consuming my life with all these new roms and such, I have very little self control, instead of focusing on school work im obsessing over the next new hack for my 002 novatec, or when I can upgrade to an 003,.. I think I need to dumb it down and get an iphone lol
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The monthly bill will be a lot more then what you pay now (unless you can get a good discount). Don't forget that AT&T got rid of their Unlimited plan so....I hope you can keep it under 2 gigabytes or you will have to pay a fee.
Either way...your best bet is to do your own evaluation with them and their network. To each his own, but I wouldn't go back!

Truth be told there are things about the Evo that I don't necessarily "love." The shape of the back case, which I know is what it is for a reason.
In terms of the iPhone ... I'll admit to liking the newer design in terms of it being more "Squared" and flatter. Didn't like the rounder previous iPhone's, which is something I sort of see with the Evo but since it's a bit "thicker" it works. But it's still a sharp looking device, for whatever that's worth. Not to suggest the Evo isn't.
Held the iPhone 4, and yes, it does have that "feel and look" but it didn't necessarily sit in my hands, landscape mode (as that's how I'm usually holding the phone), as comfortably as my Evo did. I like the little bit of heft and size you get with the EVO, in the end it just felt more comfortable.
The new iPhone does look cooler than last generations ... but it's still a got damn iPhone.

redrazr7791 said:
The monthly bill will be a lot more then what you pay now (unless you can get a good discount). Don't forget that AT&T got rid of their Unlimited plan so....I hope you can keep it under 2 gigabytes or you will have to pay a fee.
Either way...your best bet is to do your own evaluation with them and their network. To each his own, but I wouldn't go back!
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Had the evo for nearly a month now (june 4th) I agree overall sprint is the better network
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beesneazy said:
Truth be told there are things about the phone that I don't necessarily "love." The shape of the case, which I know is what it is for a reason.
In terms of the iPhone ... I like the newer design in terms of it being more "Squared" and flatter. Didn't like the rounder previous versions, which is something I sort of see with the Evo. But it's still a sharp looking device.
Held the iPhone 4, and yes, it does have that "feel and look" but it didn't necessarily sit in my hands, landscape mode (as that's how I'm usually holding the phone), as comfortably as my Evo did. I like the little bit of heft and size. It just feels more comfortable.
The new iPhone does look cooler ... but it's still a got damn iPhone.
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My neighbor let me play with her iPhone for a little bit and imo, I hated the feel of it in my hand. I was more of a fan of the rounded back. The phone was fast but nothing that made me feel amazed. Overall I didn't feel like it was a worthy upgrade over the 3gs, but again I'm not a big Apple fan. For those that like/love the iPhone/Apple I'm sure you like it though.
Sent from my HTC Evo 4g

The things that keep me from getting an iphone again are:
No flash, I love watching flash on fail blog or assorted sites
No .wmv player. One off my favorite sites puts up their videos in that format
No widgets. Going in and out if programs for basic info gets old.
Small screen. After the evo I don't think I can go under 4 inches.
Email attachments are handled fairly ****ty on the iphone especially if the device doesn't recognize them. I can download anything through the gmail.com site.
Notifications suck on the iphone. Not a total deal breaker for me but still on the list.
No swype.

I don't get it with people. It's like they have to come in and justify why they buy or not buy a phone. Do you do the same with your car, home, clothes?
Do you tell your friends I am buying a Honda now that my Ford's build quality isn't what I like. No offense to Ford owners
The Iphone's build quality is not all that - i think you have read some of the reviews. It's slick I will give them that. But once you put a case on it how does it feel now?
There are already signs of them getting scratched up. Once you put a thicker case on it guess what? It's not a sleek and small as you once thought it was. No different from the EVO. I put on my case and I see all screen.
You put on the bumpers to the Iphone 4 and you see all screen.
I don't care what phone anyone gets. I don't get into the fanboy fight either way. I like what I like and I buy it. Android happens to be my OS of choice and the EVO my phone. Windows Phone 7 will be my next phone as well. If the Iphone came in a 4" or larger screen I would have considered it. BUT...this forum and these developers and people are the real reason so many of us are into these phones the way we are.
I am sure the HD3 will be pretty slick. I can almost guarantee you that if the design concepts comes close to the real deal that it will be amazing.

Just so you guys know Ive read quite a few posts complaining about light leaking on the iphone 4 aswell. If thats what causes your gripes on building quality you may be disappointed with the iphone as well.
On top of that the iphone shatters when dropped from little over a foot. My evo has already survived a nastier one from waste height.

Tundricles said:
well its the screen separation (screen is sinking! barely push against it and it sinks in itself, affects accurate touch operations) and the flimsy backcover that makes a squeeky noise now when I hold it, the kickstand as well is making a noise, wheres the WD-40! sorry I didn't clarify this.
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I have minor screen separation that I only noticed when I saw a mention of it while floating around. Yes, I admit the screen is coming up on mine. Lower left, gives a little bit of light leakage. But no one would notice it unless I pointed it out to them. Or they're already aware of the issue and they looked to see ... I don't really see the sinking thing. I feel like the screen seems pretty solid actually. Does this have anything to do with the folks talking about different displays or whatever? I dunno ... cause I definitely don't feel like my screen "sinks" when I man handle it.
I don't get a squeaky noise ... is this a sweaty hands to surface squeak?
My kick stand doesn't make a noise ... but it does get warm when I'm maxing my phone out .... as far as a noise I cannot honestly say I've heard this.

Remember to hold the iPhone 4 correctly.
With your fingertips.

I blame my ISP.
Sorry for the double post.

Tundricles said:
well its the screen separation (screen is sinking! barely push against it and it sinks in itself, affects accurate touch operations) and the flimsy backcover that makes a squeeky noise now when I hold it, the kickstand as well is making a noise, wheres the WD-40! sorry I didn't clarify this.
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Why don't you exchange it?

Tundricles said:
Build quality is superb
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You're kidding, right?

Beejis said:
My neighbor let me play with her iPhone for a little bit and imo, I hated the feel of it in my hand. I was more of a fan of the rounded back. The phone was fast but nothing that made me feel amazed. Overall I didn't feel like it was a worthy upgrade over the 3gs, but again I'm not a big Apple fan. For those that like/love the iPhone/Apple I'm sure you like it though.
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I totally get what you are saying. I almost felt that holding the phone vertically felt alright ... but sitting horizontally I wasn't entirely feeling it.
Although I should admit that there are some other phones out there that are entirely MORE uncomfortable. It's a matter of preference, I know, and even with that a lot of folks throw cases and what not on. I do not, so that's something I would be forced to get used to. Not cool.
Especially if forced to rock a bumper ... I would cry.
Well ... here ya go - no squeaky kickstand issues;
And to think everyone was laughing at the kickstands .... it just makes sense.
Who laughs now!!1! Who laughs now!

Onnia 7 QC issues?

(why is there no omnia 7 forum?)
I've just been told by t-mobile that the Omnia 7 has QC issues and their deliveries yesterday were returned to their suppliers, anyone know what these might be?

I just picked one up today from Orange!.. I wonder if mine is affected
I heard from vodafone store that their delivery of LG Optimus (Win7) came in and had to be recalled immediately without sale due to a bluetooth issue.

The build quality of the Omnia is one of the things that worries me after reports like this and the issues with the Galaxy series.
Evilanglic, since you now have your hands on one, what are your impressions of the device? Does it seem solid?

Much more solid than I was expecting. I thought it would feel like a light plastic shell like the Samsung Galaxy S.
It really is very nice, no creaks, just a solid slab of deep black technology! Good times.
The back is actually wrapped in metal to the edge of the screen on the sides, it is only the top and bottom of the device which are solid plastic sort-of-cap/ends of the device.
You definitely can't call it a unibody (or can you?..) but as I say... sort of mostly 'wrapped' in a sheet of metal.
It was a close call between the (SAMOLED) Omnia and the (very nice crisp LCD) HTC Mozart, the latter fits the hand better of course due to size, but in the end the slick all black face of the Omnia, adorned with its high contrast SAMOLED screen, just made it worth it despite the low actual PPI!
It would have been nice if the rockers and camera buttons where more metallic or... metal, but instead they are old school black plastic. They work well nonetheless.
The home button is also not the most premium of push switches (compared to iPhone of course) but it is nice to have a soild key!
I would urge you to get both of these devices side by side in the store if you can, but be careful because it took me at least 20 minutes to tell the man which one I wanted to take out lol...
Here are a few pics of the construction as links:

I'm jealous. I have about 2 weeks before WP7 comes out in the US. That and you guys got the better selection of phones (minus Micro SD expansion). I am definitely getting the Focus though. Best choice out of the options available in my opinion.

ryotgz said:
I'm jealous. I have about 2 weeks before WP7 comes out in the US. That and you guys got the better selection of phones (minus Micro SD expansion). I am definitely getting the Focus though. Best choice out of the options available in my opinion.
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It's very un-Microsoft!

Freypal said:
The build quality of the Omnia is one of the things that worries me after reports like this and the issues with the Galaxy series.
Evilanglic, since you now have your hands on one, what are your impressions of the device? Does it seem solid?
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Yeah. I wont touch a single Samsung phone after the trouble the Vibrant gave my stepmom. It's not fun trying to give tech support to someone 1500 miles away, over the phone with the issues, to a lady with no clue about technology.
EDIT: It reminded me of the time I had to help someone with Windows ME. They didn't know where the "desktop" was! As you can imagine, that was a loooooong phone call.

ericc191 said:
Yeah. I wont touch a single Samsung phone after the trouble the Vibrant gave my stepmom. It's not fun trying to give tech support to someone 1500 miles away, over the phone with the issues, to a lady with no clue about technology.
EDIT: It reminded me of the time I had to help someone with Windows ME. They didn't know where the "desktop" was! As you can imagine, that was a loooooong phone call.
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I've owned a few samsungs in the past (years ago lol), and they didn't give me any trouble. I suppose it was before the major smartphone race of the the last few years though haha.
I only went for the Omnia after holding it myself, there was no way I was going to order a Samsung phone without getting into a store and exploring it - but it was more solid than expected.
Hopefully if there are any support problems in the future, I will just take it to the high street store I got it from and play super dumb and demand a replacement or different phone lol... no harm done.
It seems like a negative thing to say but keep in mind that the phone really is good right now, no problems at all, everything works perfectly so far.
Note for those not in the know: the location based issues of Android Samsungs are not present here! On maps it focuses down with GSM triangulation and GPS pinpoint kicks in a couple of seconds later, super speedy!

Well that's a relief. I suppose the biggest factor that makes it feel so much better is that it's got some metal, right?

Mine's just arrived.
First impressions are very good. It feels very sturdy with no creaks and the metal casing is nice. It feels much more solid than my HTC Blackstone, although I am worried about such a large screen getting damaged!
It's going to have to stay off whilst the sim card registers. Annoying wait ahead!

How come you got this over the mozart?

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How come you got this over the mozart?
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I was reading conflicting reviews on the Mozart's camera and since I mainly use my mobile for web browsing the extra screen acres sold it for me.
The screen quality is awsome by the way. The device also looks way better in the flesh. It seems it may also have Cornings gorilla glass which would be a welcome addition!

Freypal said:
I was reading conflicting reviews on the Mozart's camera and since I mainly use my mobile for web browsing the extra screen acres sold it for me.
The screen quality is awsome by the way. The device also looks way better in the flesh. It seems it may also have Cornings gorilla glass which would be a welcome addition!
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For web browsing I might have thought it possibly more comfortable to use the Mozart's SLCD with RGB pixels (higher subpixel count) if you have good eyes that is lol.
I just cant get over how amazing the 4" SAMOLED looks though...
Because of the all black screen surround, and the nature of the WP7 text laid out to the edge of the screen, it sort of looks like your phone is just one massive display, which a lot of it is... lol
The blacks of the SAMOLED just merge with the black surround! So cool.
Where does the screen end?! lol
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I am a happy omnia 7 owner. Just like what the other said, solid construction, beautiful screen.
But the build in app is sub-par (vs lg optimus) and I hope I don't regret choosing a device with 8GB of storage.
Cheers

A user over on MoDaCo forums is reporting that their T-Mobile account manager has told them that the Omnia 7 has been temporarily pulled due to software issues.
I've been waiting on one of these for some time as well, and was told today that their most recent update for handset stocks (issued internally today) did not include a new batch of Omnia 7s. The CSR I spoke to wouldn't be drawn on any specific problems with the handset, except to say that "there have been a few issues" with the ones we've received, and that I would be receiving a call in due course to let me know when mine would be delivered.
Does anyone else know anything about this?

gcaw - apparently they have dispatched Omnia 7's now on T-mobile, so I'd get on the phone ASAP.

risq - many thanks for letting me know about that. As it happens, fifteen hours after I'd made my previous post, I received a call from T-Mobile to let me know that they had stock and confirming delivery later today, but I'm grateful that you informed me of that - and hopefully others will have taken note of that information and successfully placed orders themselves.
I was also pleased to hear from the CSR (the same one I spoke to yesterday) that T-Mobile is extending the same deal to new Omnia 7 owners as it offers to Android buyers, giving 3GB of monthly data usage at no additional cost, rather than the standard 1GB offered under the fair usage policy for other handsets.
Compared with the rather pitiful 500MB offered on O2's contracts, that's a pretty awesome deal.

QC seems top notch!
Posted this on another forum. I'm happy about the build:
Well it had to happen sooner or later, in under a week I've dropped the Omnia 7 while lazily trying to hit snooze just moments ago (typing this message with my phone now lol). Dropped from about table height, and while it was dark, sounded like it landed on a corner first... Picked it up in the dark and dropped it again, this time hitting face flat on the ground.. My floors got a wood finish on top of a normal concrete slab so its pretty solid. Shocked and not feeling so lazy anymore, turned lights on, inspected phone, and absolutely no scratches to be seen...i think this is due to the matte looking polycarbonate plastic they use, plus the color looking like its been amalgamated with the actual plastic, I say this because I remember on my htc touch HD the bezel would scratch/chip so easily because all it was was some cheap paint over plastic/metal? As for glass, i read it's gorilla glass, whether or not it is, I'm glad it isn't scratched... My screen protector can't come soon enough,
Either way, I'm glad to know the Omnia7 is a solid beast . Though in truth, after dropping it, my excitement and feelings of it being a new toy has slightly washed off... My feeling now is 'it might be damaged somewhere'

Nexus One - Coolest Androind Phone, One Year Old

Why does this phone have to be so cool? So many features most android phones nowadays don't have. Multi-color trackball, LED notification, sexy design... Gosh why does it have to be one year old I have a samsung vibrant, and while people say it is better, I disagree completely. I am hoping to pick a Nexus One up on craigslist for 180 (good deal?). Don't care what people think, this phone is rad.
HTC, Please make the Nexus 3, and please make it like the original Nexus. Beleive it or not, some people do want a multi-color trackball and LED notification. I would get the Samsung Nexus S, too bad it is too plasticy and is missing key features from the first Nexus.
Anyone else agree with me?

I agree completely.

Yea I completely agree ...
The trackball is one of my favorite features...
plus it feels to sturdy and it can handle a good beating!
I used to love watching the nexus videos on utube .... the nexus S came with nothing much.... no trackball and cheap plastic ...

It's annoying HTC doesn't put the trackball on any other phones now. I know a lot people don't want it, but I would love to have it Imagine the Sensation with the Trackball

I love my Nexus One so much I have no idea what my next phone would be. What I'd really like is for my next phone to be identical to my current N1 but with updated specs. It's now 1 1/2 years old now and still going strong.

nickdog670 said:
Why does this phone have to be so cool? So many features most android phones nowadays don't have. Multi-color trackball, LED notification, sexy design... Gosh why does it have to be one year old I have a samsung vibrant, and while people say it is better, I disagree completely. I am hoping to pick a Nexus One up on craigslist for 180 (good deal?). Don't care what people think, this phone is rad.
HTC, Please make the Nexus 3, and please make it like the original Nexus. Beleive it or not, some people do want a multi-color trackball and LED notification. I would get the Samsung Nexus S, too bad it is too plasticy and is missing key features from the first Nexus.
Anyone else agree with me?
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I like the Nexus One is a very solid device here are things I hate:
1. Outdoor visibility screen just doesn't cut it on a sunny day.
2. Screen sometimes just doesn't work (nothing too serious but annoying)
3. Battery just gives up in 8hr (Like most phones )
4. Camera is nothing to die for, my 2008 Nokia takes better pics (personal preference I take alot of Pictures)
5. Internal storage sucks especially if you don't root or use alot of apps
6. Speaker isn't the best either.
I think for 200 buck is a super good device but you can find a G2x for 350 or less might be a worth it of a big rooter.

josemedina1983 said:
I like the Nexus One is a very solid device here are things I hate:
1. Outdoor visibility screen just doesn't cut it on a sunny day.
2. Screen sometimes just doesn't work (nothing too serious but annoying)
3. Battery just gives up in 8hr (Like most phones )
4. Camera is nothing to die for, my 2008 Nokia takes better pics (personal preference I take alot of Pictures)
5. Internal storage sucks especially if you don't root or use alot of apps
6. Speaker isn't the best either.
I think for 200 buck is a super good device but you can find a G2x for 350 or less might be a worth it of a big rooter.
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I mean do you ACTUALLY hate those things? Or is it just because the phone is dated and there is a newer (better?) standard?
Also, at this point, I'm not even hoping for a trackball-- I'd settle for an optical trackpad (if they'd even give us that; notice how newer phones *cough sensation* don't even have that?)!!
Although, a prominent and customizable multicolored LED is still an absolute must, whether it be around the trackball (g2) or separate from (i don't like that little tiny green hidden dot hidden in the speaker grill of the sensation- it's not noticeable enough.)

nexus 3 by htc..
second gen snapdragon
everything that the n1 has
qwerty keyboard
physical buttons + call/end-call buttons + camera shutter button
now that would be something..

sarshadd said:
I mean do you ACTUALLY hate those things? Or is it just because the phone is dated and there is a newer (better?) standard?
Also, at this point, I'm not even hoping for a trackball-- I'd settle for an optical trackpad (if they'd even give us that; notice how newer phones *cough sensation* don't even have that?)!!
Although, a prominent and customizable multicolored LED is still an absolute must, whether it be around the trackball (g2) or separate from (i don't like that little tiny green hidden dot hidden in the speaker grill of the sensation- it's not noticeable enough.)
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Those are my main issues but I really really hate the memory space,battery and screen visibility especially on a sunny day.

Don't forget the Antenna. It sucks also. In my office I get the worst reception out of everyone. Overall I like the N1 alot and plan on getting the N3 when it comes out.

I get the best reception in my office, which I like to remind the fruit phone users about... xD
Reception is based on so many things through, that it's hard to pin point the real problem...

Lythandra said:
Don't forget the Antenna. It sucks also. In my office I get the worst reception out of everyone. Overall I like the N1 alot and plan on getting the N3 when it comes out.
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Well HTCs antenna technology sucks compare to Nokia and other companies. Having a HD2 with horrible antenna issues trying different radios/fimware/updates etc nothing help the poor HD2. the HTC wing way back in 2006 same issues and now the Nexus One has a decent antenna but my Nokia E73 gets solid 3g where my Nexus one fails miserably.

I love the trackball. At least the LED notification part. It's awesome to know if I have a text or a email just by glancing at my phone.
Too bad the Nexus 3 (Nexus 4G also) is going to have no front buttons at all, haptic or trackball.
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Most likely the next Nexus. ICS will most likely get rid of all hardware buttons, like a honeycomb interface.

The texture of the Nexus One is the best. I dropped it plenty of times, forgot the phone in a washing machine once, had to replace the power source for it and didn't get the case to completely close. Yet, I'm still sticking around with it. Hopefully Google will do something right for Nexus 3 and get a similar phone out.

XSafire said:
Most likely the next Nexus. ICS will most likely get rid of all hardware buttons, like a honeycomb interface.
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That's a Nexus S

I have had myN1 since the day it was released but it was replaced under warranty with a refurb a year later. I love the phone and haven't yet found one I would upgrade for but I do have the following issues:
1. The touch on the screen is still erratic making typing much harder than it should. I often have to power the phone off and on again to get it to register properly
2. My pictures, even on the replacement phone, still have a pinkish tinge to them. I am not sure why.
3. The power button is a bit flaky. Mine failed after the warranty had expired (of course) and so it cost me $55 to get it repaired.
I am hoping the N3 will be as good as the N1 but fix all those ills and be faster and more robust.

The amount of unofficial (and official for that matter I guess) support is what has made this phone amazing for 1.5 years for me. The screen sucks outside, and if I change between E and 3G anywhere in town while calling it is an auto dropped call, but there is not another phone that I've seen that's remotely tempted me. It has definitely been sturdy, dropped it so many times and only a slight nick on the top (no case or screen protector). And I still get questions from people when they notice its a N1, always with the follow up that they wish they had one.

I got the N1 when it first came out, rooted and installed CM right away. Been using CM since.
But lately, the phone is starting to show its age. I don't know if it's the phone or CM7 but it's been acting up more and more lately. I'm getting tired of it.
First is the multi-touch or lack thereof. I didn't care when I first got it but now, with more games available on Android, it's becoming a real problem.
Second is the random "crashing" where the screen would go black and the only way to see anything is hitting the menu button or go back and forth. Or just restart the phone to clear the problem. Really? is this windows or something???
Maybe it's CM7 maybe it's my phone but I can't wait to upgrade. Too bad there aren't anything good out there right now.
I really wish the Nokia N9 supports Android.

cdmove said:
Second is the random "crashing" where the screen would go black and the only way to see anything is hitting the menu button or go back and forth. Or just restart the phone to clear the problem. Really? is this windows or something???
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Is this a common problem with the N1? Because I've honestly never encountered this even once with 2 N1s.
I wish a new Nexus would keep the trackball, but they could update it to a virtual trackball like the Desire/Droid Incredible, but add a multicolor ring light around it. I think that would look pretty darn cool.

I'm having trouble sticking to android I love the features,apps etc but I been so paranoid of just buying a new android phone and a better one comes out a month after just sucks. I'm holding my money until I see the Nexus 3

Wanna buy S4, but and but...need 'serious' opinions please...

Hi, this is a Note 2 user, and I have been using it for past 9 months, now I am interested in S4, the reason is 'SIZE' and size only. BUT I have been told that it has some serious build quality (screen breaking!) issues! And I have read that topic in General section too, which is very disappointing to say the least. I often use my phone in jeans pocket, that's why I am even more worried. Really, it can break that easy? I mean you put it in your pocket, drive for some time, and then when you take it out the screen is broke? What the !!!
I live in India, and I would also like to know that if the screen does break does it come under warranty in that case? Cause I won't be spending 120 bucks (or whatever the price is of a new display) every time it breaks.
If there is any other problem other than the above issue do also let me know.
I know this is a S4 section and asking something about S4 here will mostly give me positive reviews, but kindly, for one second don't be biased :laugh: and help this dude out
Thanks in advance.

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Hi, this is a Note 2 user, and I have been using it for past 9 months, now I am interested in S4, the reason is 'SIZE' and size only. BUT I have been told that it has some serious build quality (screen breaking!) issues! And I have read that topic in General section too, which is very disappointing to say the least. I often use my phone in jeans pocket, that's why I am even more worried. Really, it can break that easy? I mean you put it in your pocket, drive for some time, and then when you take it out the screen is broke? What the !!!
I live in India, and I would also like to know that if the screen does break does it come under warranty in that case? Cause I won't be spending 120 bucks (or whatever the price is of a new display) every time it breaks.
If there is any other problem other than the above issue do also let me know.
I know this is a S4 section and asking something about S4 here will mostly give me positive reviews, but kindly, for one second don't be biased :laugh: and help this dude out
Thanks in advance.
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Hi
About phone build quality, i got nothing bad to say, i also wear my phone in jeans almost all the time and i don't even have one scratch on it, so don't worry about that.
About those lag problems, i really didn't encounter neither one tiny lag, i have 32gb octa core version, so you don't have to worry about screen or anything else
I hope i helped
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jujuburi said:
Hi, this is a Note 2 user, and I have been using it for past 9 months, now I am interested in S4, the reason is 'SIZE' and size only. BUT I have been told that it has some serious build quality (screen breaking!) issues! And I have read that topic in General section too, which is very disappointing to say the least. I often use my phone in jeans pocket, that's why I am even more worried. Really, it can break that easy? I mean you put it in your pocket, drive for some time, and then when you take it out the screen is broke? What the !!!
I live in India, and I would also like to know that if the screen does break does it come under warranty in that case? Cause I won't be spending 120 bucks (or whatever the price is of a new display) every time it breaks.
If there is any other problem other than the above issue do also let me know.
I know this is a S4 section and asking something about S4 here will mostly give me positive reviews, but kindly, for one second don't be biased :laugh: and help this dude out
Thanks in advance.
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my friend has also got a note 2, and i can say that the s4 is a lot better then the note 2.
putting it in your jeans no prob.
if you turn of some Samsung stuff, no lag
and you can always install cm so you have zero lag.

I have dropped mine with a spigen case on about 5times once on concrete and im 6ft 5 so quite a drop and no problems. As for in jeans I always keep it in my front pocket amd never had a problem I lie on the couch forget my s4 is in my pocket and roll around on it. Build quality is fine.
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I have been using my s4 for a while now and haven't experience any problem concerning screen issues, It dropped a few times and the screen survived... but if you are so worried about the build issue there's always the option of extra protection such as a shock proof case. There is many out there, up for grabs. And trust me you will find the case saving your phones a lot of times from what could have been a total wreckage.
So get yourself a somewhat shock proof case and a screen protect (even though its not really needed, the extra protection is always good) and you will be good to go. You will phone will remain in tact for a prolong period.

Personally, I find that the build quality for the S4 is pretty okay (in the almost 2 wks that I've owned this phone). The SAMOLED cracking problem also worried me but what I surmise is that the problem is caused by 1 of 3 things: improper cases (or lack thereof) for the phone size, wearing restrictive clothing or extreme temperature fluctuation (from ice cold to hot). With enough applied pressure, I can see the phone twisting thereby allowing the SAMOLED to give and crack without breaking the gorilla glass. In order to counter that, I opted to get a rugged, more sturdy case (Otterbox Defender) than my usual TPU ones. It does provide a bit of comfort because this thing has a hard shell on the inside and I don't feel like the phone will try to conform to the shape of my leg when in my jeans pocket. As for the extreme temperatures, it never actually got very cold this winter, so I'm not to worried about coming into the house from out in the cold.

while i read that some people have even managed to break the screen by only holding it in their hands using it, my phone is still ok. i'm also having it in my jeans pocket. those who broke their phones almost never say which pocket they had the phone in. many people put it in the back pocket... i wouldn't do that with any phone.
except a few bugs in cm i dont have anything negative to say about the phone.

As a former Note 2 owner i like this phone better because of the better camera, crisp screen quality and descent batterylife (off course not better than the GN2). Also size wise it is better to handle than the Note2. I think overall the S4 it is a big improvement over the Note2. Just my 2 cents

I'm also in the same predicament. Currently using a Note 2 but it's size..is both a boon and a bane. Considering the s4 now hoping that 5" screen size would hit the sweet spot. Was using a s3 previously.

Thanks for the replies. However I didn't want to hear about lag and CM thingy. So I take it that there is NO major issues with the build quality. Good. I am going for it then.
One more thing, on Note 2, with S Pen it acted as a mouse on some webpages, like when you hover the S Pen on a sub-link it would show the additional options under that link, now I know that S4 has some air gestures with fingers, but is that feature enabled in web browser?

jujuburi said:
Thanks for the replies. However I didn't want to hear about lag and CM thingy. So I take it that there is NO major issues with the build quality. Good. I am going for it then.
One more thing, on Note 2, with S Pen it acted as a mouse on some webpages, like when you hover the S Pen on a sub-link it would show the additional options under that link, now I know that S4 has some air gestures with fingers, but is that feature enabled in web browser?
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Yes but it only enlarges and gives you a preview of the page if you hover over it with your finger afaik.

jujuburi said:
Thanks for the replies. However I didn't want to hear about lag and CM thingy. So I take it that there is NO major issues with the build quality. Good. I am going for it then.
One more thing, on Note 2, with S Pen it acted as a mouse on some webpages, like when you hover the S Pen on a sub-link it would show the additional options under that link, now I know that S4 has some air gestures with fingers, but is that feature enabled in web browser?
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So far the Air View is enabled in the stock browser but only allows you to magnify the content when you hover your fingers over a particular content. As for the additional options, I don't think that feature is enabled as yet. Hopefully it is in the near feature.
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Yeah, okay, I'll have to give up that feature, as well as all the S Pen features, and a great battery backup and maybe some other things, anyway, will have to digest them. I just can't stand huge size anymore.
Thanks all for the replies. Coming in this section within a week.
P.S.: One last thing, I'll get the white one, I guess there is no difference/problem with it in comparison to Black one? Cause with Note 2 it was a different thing, the White model had correct LED colours, while the Grey had not! Anything like that?
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buy i9505 one..more custom roms and porting google play edition rom.

jujuburi said:
Yeah, okay, I'll have to give up that feature, as well as all the S Pen features, and a great battery backup and maybe some other things, anyway, will have to digest them. I just can't stand huge size anymore.
Thanks all for the replies. Coming in this section within a week.
P.S.: One last thing, I'll get the white one, I guess there is no difference/problem with it in comparison to Black one? Cause with Note 2 it was a different thing, the White model had correct LED colours, while the Grey had not! Anything like that?
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No, there's no difference with the colours.. There's only variants differences like I9500 and I9505... But you can get either black or white with either and have the same features with respect to their variant.