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Custom ROMs - - Sense or AOSP? What's your poison?

Firstly let me just as I give a MASSIVE congratulations to the guys in #g2root for all their hard work in achieving permanent root. I'm not going to lie, I thought Christmas time was an achievable target when it came to breaking the eMMC lockdown on the G2 and DHD but to do it in early November? (applause)
Anyway, my Black Ops addiction forces me to keep this short and sweet, as time is of the essence and I must earn some COD Points before work!
My question is, when we start seeing custom ROMs, will you be sticking with Sense or moving to an AOSP ROM? I'm interested in your reasons and also wondering whether there are any users who were fans of AOSP (Stock Android) and have been converted by the new and improved HTC Sense 'experience'?
Things to consider are speed, functionality, looks etc.
I'll weigh in with my opinion later on.
Please don't start flaming each other and turn this into some kind of epic fight between the OS and it's illegitimate shell UI of a child!
They both have pro's and con's.
Regards.

I much prefer stock android. Sense is nice, but i just don't really like the look of the dock (even though you can change it). Stock android with the transparent dock at the bottom, and all fancy animations for opening/closing apps, keyboard sliding up etc just looks awesome!
Also gingerbread im sure will probably have more eye candy, but again HTC might cut these from their roms. So i'll be sticking with stock. Cyanogen maybe..

No I couldnt get to grips with sense it looks really flash, but maybe it's because i came from the Magic that the system overhead of running all the ui effects worries me, so I have disabled it all and am waiting on Cyanogen

What counts more?
To me its not the UI that counts but the android version, in other words if i had a choice of CM 6.1 or my current sense rom id go for sense. Don't get me wrong CM is amazing but both being 2.2 id rather take the extra functionality, looks and ease of use of the new Sense roms than an AOSP build. However if i had the choice of CM 7.0 (ie gingerbread) or sticking with sense 2.2 i would move over to AOSP without a second thought!

After coming from the Hero and the amazing FroydVillain 1.5. I cannot wait for Hacre to start cooking ROMs for the DHD. So my choice is firmly in the AOSP camp.

Unless a custom rom offers something i dont have ill stick with sense. I like it graphically and much prefer htcs widgets.
Only phone ive loaded custom roms on before was my htc hero but that was because it fixed a message notification problem.
So far ive no issues with my DHD so see no reason at the moment for a custom rom.

bratfink said:
To me its not the UI that counts but the android version, in other words if i had a choice of CM 6.1 or my current sense rom id go for sense. Don't get me wrong CM is amazing but both being 2.2 id rather take the extra functionality, looks and ease of use of the new Sense roms than an AOSP build. However if i had the choice of CM 7.0 (ie gingerbread) or sticking with sense 2.2 i would move over to AOSP without a second thought!
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Sorry, surely Cyanogen adds functionality, or did I miss something? Yes you'll lose the SENSE skin but I'd be surprised if any real functionality is lost

i prefer aosp clean roms,i always used to have aosp cooked roms on my ex-desire and looking forward for aosp roms on dhd

Bring the AOSP roms on !!!

Yes..
ghostofcain said:
Sorry, surely Cyanogen adds functionality, or did I miss something? Yes you'll lose the SENSE skin but I'd be surprised if any real functionality is lost
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Im fully aware of the benefits of CM but being mostly a business user the utility i gain from sense is far greater than on AOSP, however the geek in me just cannot live with not having the latest and greatest OS. Simple as that.

Given the choice of a same version Sense UI and a CM ROM I'd likely stick with the Sense UI version. There is a lot more integration than normal flavour ROMs offer and it's one of the reasons HTC have been praised. Small touches like basic Facebore and Twatter integration without needing an app specific to them is nice, as it the browsing of Facebork photo albums as if they're on your device.
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Sorry, surely Cyanogen adds functionality, or did I miss something? Yes you'll lose the SENSE skin but I'd be surprised if any real functionality is lost
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It depends on what you call real functionality. As I just said above I love the extra touches that Sense UI has such as the Facebork photo albums, cross-account linking with updates from social networks in their contact profile on your phone and for me the best implementation of copy and paste outside of iOS. It's basic things, not massively important but those touches are missing from stock Android.

skimminstones said:
Unless a custom rom offers something i dont have ill stick with sense. I like it graphically and much prefer htcs widgets.
So far ive no issues with my DHD so see no reason at the moment for a custom rom.
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me too, i completely agree

I'm really torn between HTC Sense & AOSP. There are positive things for both, as this phone was supplied with android 2.1 and HTC Sense. So for me my first introduction to android was via the Sense UI so once I had rooted the phone and applied s-off I was keen to see what was difference for the user interface (ease of use) and to compare the battery life etc. I'm currently using cyanogen nightly builds, and I'm most impressed with its performance, I do miss some of the HTC widgets, but I get by! now for me my comparison between the two is like comparing kde vs gnome!
Currently my preference is with AOSP, but only by a slim margin as to some degree Sense is (for first time use) easier, but is quite taxing on CPU...
so there's my 2 cents worth!
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AOSP !!!
I dont use any Sense widgets. I prefer the speed in a Senseless ROM

I prefer Sense ROM most of the time.. i will try to play around with AOSP once in a while but when a higher version of android is out but still no official sense rom is out yet, AOSP is a must.. this applies to Gingerbread and higher xD

How about that sense browser with the translate feature on long press, can't get that anywhere but sense, and LPP has similar widgets
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I'll be sticking with Sense, at least for a while anyway (until I get bored!).
It's nice to have something that just works. Coming from WM6.5 it's such a breath of fresh air to just have a phone that does what it's supposed to when you want it to.
I have a Kaiser flashed with CM6 and a Rhodium with AOSP if I ever want to play with that, but right now I just want a seamless environment, and Sense seems to provide that for me quite nicely.

Sense without any doubt!! The only setting I would choose AOSP is if Gingerbread comes out before an official Htc rom with Sense, as said by many. That would be the only scenario I would choose that, and then decide what to do if/when Htc comes to the upper Android version too. I really feel good with Sense, love it!

I'llstick to the first Sense rom "without all the Sense crap" I will see. Why?
The sense phone dialer is unbeatable, so useful! I don't need the clock, Fancy widget takes care of this. I don't need the news and weather stuff and all Sense crap, but because of the dialer, the contacts management AND the music interaface, it's worth having. In the Desire Android development thread, there was 1 rom like this, but I stuck with a AOSP rom because it was better. This sense rom was ok, but still, too many crap in it. The AOSP was ok, but with an update almost everyday, I could merely keep up. So I gave up and sold my Desire. Now I'm back again on the Android scene, let's see what it brings.
BIG THANKS AND RESPECT TO THE G2 TEAM WHO MADE A DESIRE COME TRUE!!!
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dazultra2000 said:
I'll be sticking with Sense, at least for a while anyway (until I get bored!).
It's nice to have something that just works.
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yep, i agree, im not bored with it yet and it works - no reason to change

Sense v AOSP

Heyyy, kind of a noobie here.... I flashed iced glacier, and desire HD, and now I'm using cyanogen, which is like vanilla I guess? But what's the big difference....I mean it seems like there are two sides, the vanilla, and the other side... what I want to know is what is the real difference between say, sense, and something like cyanogen? I mean I am by no means anything even remotely close to a dev or anything of that nature so maybe that's why I don't know or understand...but so far the only big difference I have seen has been like the friendstream widget and te Widgets in general are nice in sense...could someone explain to me the case for both sides....vanilla and sense?
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Jaskwith said:
Heyyy, kind of a noobie here.... I flashed iced glacier, and desire HD, and now I'm using cyanogen, which is like vanilla I guess? But what's the big difference....I mean it seems like there are two sides, the vanilla, and the other side... what I want to know is what is the real difference between say, sense, and something like cyanogen? I mean I am by no means anything even remotely close to a dev or anything of that nature so maybe that's why I don't know or understand...but so far the only big difference I have seen has been like the friendstream widget and te Widgets in general are nice in sense...could someone explain to me the case for both sides....vanilla and sense?
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Cyanogen Mod is basically a modified version of the Android Open Source Project. That is to say it is basically vanilla android with some tweaks and replacements of generic apps.
CM6 Demo
Sense is user interface created by HTC that sits on top of the core android system and replaces many of the AOSP apps with HTC versions.
Sense Demo
Espresso, sometimes called MySense, is a modified version of HTC Sense.
Espresso Demo
Touchwiz is a samsung propietary that sits on top of the core android system and replaces AOSP apps with Samsung versions.
Touchwiz Demo
MIUI is a chinese developed UI for android, and much like sense sits on top of the Android core. MIUI to most people resembles iOS. It has aspects of many other user interfaces such as sense and touchwiz.
MIUI Demo
MOTOBlur is a Motorola proprietary user interface that is heavy on social networking. It was used int the cliq, but is no longer prevalent in newer motorola phones.
MotoBlur Demo
The case for any of these is personal preference. Cyanogen Mod being an AOSP derivative tends to be more lightweight and not as resource intensive, but Sense has a ton of added goodies (particularly the actual HTC Sense and not T-mobile's version of sense, Espresso). MIUI has a very snappy interface heavy on animations and is very customizable. With all that, it's really up to you what you like most, and what suits your needs most.

I've had the Nexus One for So long with stock...
I kinda like HTC Sense on this phone it isn't so bad plenty of memory and I have a 16gb SD card. So I think I'll wait until Cyanogen comes up with a gingerbread ROM.... After coming off Cyanogen for months I think I'll give sense a try...

Thank you very much!!!!! Very helpful I get it all now. So would you say that people like AOSP so much because its by devs where as sense is something HTC tried to brand and because they are hardware end of things they don't know as much and should just leave it to devs and aosp, on the software side of things...?
slhpss said:
Cyanogen Mod is basically a modified version of the Android Open Source Project. That is to say it is basically vanilla android with some tweaks and replacements of generic apps.
CM6 Demo
Sense is user interface created by HTC that sits on top of the core android system and replaces many of the AOSP apps with HTC versions.
Sense Demo
Espresso, sometimes called MySense, is a modified version of HTC Sense.
Espresso Demo
Touchwiz is a samsung propietary that sits on top of the core android system and replaces AOSP apps with Samsung versions.
Touchwiz Demo
MIUI is a chinese developed UI for android, and much like sense sits on top of the Android core. MIUI to most people resembles iOS. It has aspects of many other user interfaces such as sense and touchwiz.
MIUI Demo
MOTOBlur is a Motorola proprietary user interface that is heavy on social networking. It was used int the cliq, but is no longer prevalent in newer motorola phones.
MotoBlur Demo
The case for any of these is personal preference. Cyanogen Mod being an AOSP derivative tends to be more lightweight and not as resource intensive, but Sense has a ton of added goodies (particularly the actual HTC Sense and not T-mobile's version of sense, Espresso). MIUI has a very snappy interface heavy on animations and is very customizable. With all that, it's really up to you what you like most, and what suits your needs most.
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Jaskwith said:
Thank you very much!!!!! Very helpful I get it all now. So would you say that people like AOSP so much because its by devs where as sense is something HTC tried to brand and because they are hardware end of things they don't know as much and should just leave it to devs and aosp, on the software side of things...?
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I think the allure of AOSP is how lightweight it is. That is why so many people like CM... it's AOSP with extra tweaks and features. Sense on the other hand many people see as bloated and "improving" where it's not needed... like I said it's all preference though... I personally really like CM, but I also really like the "new" sense that you will find in gr8gorilla's DHD port. Just experiment... maybe run a rom for a day or two give it a good test run then try another... eventually you will figure out what's right for you.

@slhpss Thanks a lot. This is a really easy and concise way of explaining things and I appreciate that.

Going to sound noobish...Different Roms?

Ok ive been doing all this rooting and customization for about 3 months now and i have what i think is a big noob Question!
Q. What is the purpuse of other roms, other then stock or cyanogen?
-Do they offer different things that i dont know about, i mean i know some allow you to get netflix and better batterylife but isnt the batterylife thing really lie in the kernel?
But other then that why get a different Rom if im going to customize it the same way i have now?
And im totally sorry if this sounds dumb...still trying to really get into all this modding thing.

mightymike889 said:
Ok ive been doing all this rooting and customization for about 3 months now and i have what i think is a big noob Question!
Q. What is the purpuse of other roms, other then stock or cyanogen?
-Do they offer different things that i dont know about, i mean i know some allow you to get netflix and better batterylife but isnt the batterylife thing really lie in the kernel?
But other then that why get a different Rom if im going to customize it the same way i have now?
And im totally sorry if this sounds dumb...still trying to really get into all this modding thing.
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Well you bring an interesting spin on a simple thought. With all the options out there you can make a Sense ROM look AOSP or make a AOSP ROM look like sense... 8
Some of the ROMs are just personal preference. I use Cyanogen(mod) because that is what i've used for my entire "android life", it's what i know, it's what i like. I know what going to be included, i know where to find stuff... . I know eViL Dee has some follower in the same case, as well as TeamRoyal. It's a comfort level i guess. I mean with so many Sense Based ROMs, so many AOSP ROMs and some other, it's all about minor tweaks. Like Cyanogen(mod) and Faux123 both offer amazing AOSP ROMs. But Faux is a little more "pure" when it comes from an AOSP end point.

neidlinger said:
Well you bring an interesting spin on a simple thought. With all the options out there you can make a Sense ROM look AOSP or make a AOSP ROM look like sense... 8
Some of the ROMs are just personal preference. I use Cyanogen(mod) because that is what i've used for my entire "android life", it's what i know, it's what i like. I know what going to be included, i know where to find stuff... . I know eViL Dee has some follower in the same case, as well as TeamRoyal. It's a comfort level i guess. I mean with so many Sense Based ROMs, so many AOSP ROMs and some other, it's all about minor tweaks. Like Cyanogen(mod) and Faux123 both offer amazing AOSP ROMs. But Faux is a little more "pure" when it comes from an AOSP end point.
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#1 what is AOSP lol
#2 so really the other roms are the same thing with sort of a different look but in reality you can basically achieve that look by modding it ..
#3 so there really isnt a difference in roms is basically wat your saying..

Don't forget miui, used to hate the ios_esk ui, but there is alot of customizability without having to go through adw or lp. Super smooth super fast. You can change everything from boot ani to fonts/custom lock screen in their there manager.
Use to be a big aosp user, but got a little plain and boring. If I was still on my mt3g I would be using aosp, but with our hardware we can afford a little more eye candy and convenience without performance sacrifice.
I usually rock between evil's vf3 and royal miui. Both get about 2 days of battery life with absolutely no lag
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mightymike889 said:
#1 what is AOSP lol
#2 so really the other roms are the same thing with sort of a different look but in reality you can basically achieve that look by modding it ..
#3 so there really isnt a difference in roms is basically wat your saying..
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AOSP: android open source project. More of pure vanilla android without all the extra framework and great for performance. I've gotten up to 3500 in quadrant score on aosp and 3 days of battery life.
Sense roms: built off htc sense framework. Tons of pretty interactive widgets but sacrifice battery and performance. Your stock mt4g came with sense stuff like facebook and weather clock animated widgets. And yes you can get sense looking widgets in an aosp, but htc offers much more than you can find on the market.
Miui: kind of like ios meets android. Not everybody likes it,
You can technically make any rom type look like any other rom type. But in the core and functionality, they are world apart
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The thing is you can replicate the UIs of other phones but you never never perfectly mimic the functionality gained from a specific UI, you cant get certain MIUI features in CM, or get all the integration of Sense into others rom. You can also make you phone look like a Droid, Sony, LG, Sammy, etc... I like MIUI now since it seems to be much quicker than other roms, I've used android since like late 09, and I must say MIUI is so different even though it's android at the core.

Joker Fuel said:
AOSP: android open source project. More of pure vanilla android without all the extra framework and great for performance. I've gotten up to 3500 in quadrant score on aosp and 3 days of battery life.
Sense roms: built off htc sense framework. Tons of pretty interactive widgets but sacrifice battery and performance. Your stock mt4g came with sense stuff like facebook and weather clock animated widgets. And yes you can get sense looking widgets in an aosp, but htc offers much more than you can find on the market.
Miui: kind of like ios meets android. Not everybody likes it,
You can technically make any rom type look like any other rom type. But in the core and functionality, they are world apart
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Hmm ok ...so wat about cm...isnt that Rly aosp Or no
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mightymike889 said:
Hmm ok ...so wat about cm...isnt that Rly aosp Or no
Mytouch 4G, cyg 7.02
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CM straight from their site
"CyanogenMod is based on the Android Open Source Project with extra contributions from many people within the Android community."
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Someone correct me if i'm wrong on any of this
Cm was developed to work on most android phones. Most of the AOSP roms that you see in the glacier development section are based off of CM but customized to work better for our phone.
Now looking at other roms for instance take Royal Ginger.
"Is built and compiled from CM7 source code with lots of the CM7 extras and other assorted bloatery removed + a custom kernel & numerous tweaks and optimizations added in. It's sleak, it's mean, and it's fast"
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So it came from CM, lets look at the 2.0 channel log to see exactly what the Developer did to it and then after trying CM if the changes look better it may be worth trying
- entire ROM completely rebuilt and compiled from scratch using latest 2.3.4 CM7 source code. i don't just take in all of the updates/code/commits willy nilly. i check them all out and cherry pick the ones i want .. test some out, decide whether or not to keep them in, etc. (more on that later)
- bundled with my first kernel build: ckisgen-smartass-CM7-v1.0 . this is compiled using a base of zinx's latest CM7 stock source but i've added in the smartass governor (with a little inspiration from dumbfuqs source code, thanks df!) and then tweaked a couple of addt'l settings. i've bumped the default max clock to 1.1ghz. this kernel will overclock to 1.8ghz. i've got LOTS of plans for this in the future. i'm going to be working hard on it. i went with something like this for maximum compatibility with this latest 2.3.4 and all the changes that it's brought about. I def gotta give a big THANKS to FauxMoney for the colorful late night conversations and inspiration to make my own kernel...thanks man.
- FULLY working google Talk with video and audio working BOTH ways (ok maybe not 100% .. switching to rear camera FC's but we're working on that..still really solid)
- moved basically all of the remaining 'extra' CM apps and a couple of others to user storage so that they can be easily removed using the traditional uninstall method via the manage applications menu (settings/applications). i call this one the "E-Z AOSP-ify" update. these apps are:
* terminal
* xda
* DSP manager (this is the new one with the EQ presets .. very nice)
* FM
* ROM Manager
* Spare Parts
* stk
* Swype
* Torch
* YouTube
- TONS and TONS of other stuff .. optimizations everywhere .. GPS, radio, data, ETC!!!!!
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After using CM for a while this may look good so read all the comments to see if anyone was having issues and whether they liked it, was it a battery hog to slow to fast etc. Any new rom will have some minor bugs but if all the new pro's outweigh the couple cons try it.
I also saw that it was on version 2.1, so I read that channel log (I won't post here) to see what fixes or changes were made. Maybe a new theme, kernal, some new app's.
It becomes fun, get involved, learn as you go try new stuff and see what works for you. Always ask if you have a question, everyone around here is really helpful.
I just used Royal Ginger as an example to show you the difference between CM and another AOSP rom that is based of CM
Edit: Also look at the pictures that they add, most everything can be changed but a rom's pics may just look really cool that you just have to try it.

Bottom line, try it all and settle with the one you like. It'll keep you busy and entertained for months
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Your favorite / the best roms.

Rate from 1-10 in terms of:
Looks:
Speed:
Battery Life:
Stabability:

Any rom developed by aamikam
Looks:10(sense is so pretty)
Speed:7(Sense is a bit slower than aosp)
Battery:10(Sense gives me the best battery life i have ever seen on my phone)
Stability:10(everything always works)
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Currently my favorite ROM is MIUI. It's so much different than any other ROM and there's a ton of customization.
Looks: easy 10
Speed: not the fastest ROM but quick. I'll give it an 8
Battery life: easy 10. I get the better battery life than any other ROM
Stability: 8 - depends on the build but all in all pretty stable.
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man its all really personal opinion but ill give it my best review seeing as how ive used all of the ones that are available for the shift "i think"
AOSP ROMS: CM7 (Cyanogenmod 7) and Shift Deck
AOSP DEFINITION:Stock Pure Google Android. doesnt get much simpler than that.
Shift Deck: This is about as AOSP as it gets its pure stock android (think of a nexus S) Shift Deck like most AOSP roms gives great battery life. I find making it a little over a day not very hard with quite some usuage. The speed is very slick too.
My rating
Looks:7 (an opinated question)
Speed:10
Battery Life:9
Stability: 10
Features: 6
CM7: This is AOSP with a lot of different features inside of it that are hard to go through all of them. but basically if you like the look of AOSP but want more customization options and features CM7 is a great way to go
My Rating
Looks: 7
Speed 10
Battery Life:9
Stability: 8.5(only because its still in nightly builds and there are a few problems)
Features:8 (more than stock AOSP and some good ones at that)
Evervolv: Think of Shift Deck with a different stock launcher. Its codenamed Creo and has a couple different features. for that purpose to me it recieves the same score as Shift Deck
SENSE ROMS
Sense in general is what the shift comes stock with. An overlay on android made by HTC to bring further customization for the purpose of length i will not include Stock Sense 2.1
Sense 3.0 Kingdom Port: This is a full Sense 3.0 port for the evo shift its elegant and sexy and jam packed with customization. Now HTC did state Sense 3.0 would only work on NEWER devices and it does show in the port. on a stock kernel it does get really laggy with memory issues.
MY rating
Looks:9.5( i dont give looks a 10 because it sort of opiniated)
Speed:5 (it works but to me unusable)
Battery Life:7 (the port defeinently takes a toll on the battery
Features: 10
Stability: 4
MikShift-G Sense 2.1+3.0: This is based off Sense 2.1 with 3.0 features added into it. Personally this is one of my favorites. Its got a great mix of 3.0 features so you dont feel left behind and out of date and with aamikams optimizing it runs beautifully. I dont notice lag per say but there are a couple times things take just a tad bit longer to load. Added Sense 3.0 Features Include -Lockscreen,Weather,Messaging, Task Manager, and probably a couple others im forgetting
Looks:9.1 (lol)
Speed.9.5
Battery Life:9 (As good or sometimes better than AOSP)
Features:9
Stability: 9.9 (even the beta was fantastic only one KB light problem that is still in the official build)
SupremeSense 2.1+3.0. So you like the sound of Mikshift-G but you miss that 3D rosie and 3D widgets from Sense 3.0? Well here you go. SupremeSense is based off Mikshift-G but with a couple nice features Including 3D Sense 3.0 Launcher, and Darktremmors A2SD. This is a little bit more memory heavy so there is some lag but definently still usable
Looks:9.4
Speed:8.5
Battery Life:9 (same as Mikshift-G)
Features: 9.2
Stability:9
MIUI ROMS
We have a few miui ports and there basically the same just newer versions so im just going to review miui in general
MIUI (I think its said like "MY-U-I") is very umm "different" or in alot of ways its not different. if you have ever used or seen an iphone then you have a sense (no pun intended) of what the MIUI launcher is like. Its based of of AOSP but it doesnt look like it. It has an iOS type feel to it. It has no app drawer all your icons are on the homescreens and you scroll left and right through them. you have the ability to make folders like in iOS which seems to be an essential part in MIUI. You have a lockscreen sort of like Sense 1.0-2.1.
Its got a different way of handling text messages. and menu systems and the whole UI of the phone has its own unique feel that you have to try out to completley understand. MIUI currently does not support 4G so if you use it your SOL. but it is definently worth checking out
It does run across MMS issues sometimes too. Miui has its own personal theme manager that will theme anything from sounds to design asthetics to bootanimations, and lockscreens including options for sense 3.0 type lockscreens. its a very complete theming process. Think of it as HTC Hub on Steroids.
My Rating:
Look:8.9(once again opiniated question)
Speed:9 (generally very slick)
Battery Life:9 (AOSP like Battery Life)
Stability: 7.5 (this is miui's lowest point)
Features. 9 (its very unique in features)
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I believe i have covered every ROM in our development section please let me know if i forgot any

Thanks for the overview notsointeresting!
Evo SHIFT

Enraged21 said:
Thanks for the overview notsointeresting!
Evo SHIFT
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No problem just trying to help
and since i flash anything that has the term "flashable" in its name i thought i might as well lol

yes thanks a bunch man. covered everything lol

Lol. Your overview made me wanna tried out mik mik rom. Never tried it before, but I never was a sense type of person.
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Enraged21 said:
Lol. Your overview made me wanna tried out mik mik rom. Never tried it before, but I never was a sense type of person.
Evo SHIFT
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Its an outstanding ROM. but if you just dont like the design asthetics of sense then no you wont like it.
but all the problems people say they have with sense is eliminated in the rom
I am running Supreme Sense which is based of Mikshift-G (as i said in the review lol) and at 72% battery life i am going 8 hours and 8 min (reading it off my phone as i type) with wifi going the whole time, gps, lots of texts a few voice calls and LOTS of web browsing.
The lag people expierence with sense is compltley gone it runs great and smooth just as fast as AOSP. Some apps may take half a second more to load tho
and you gotta love the sense 3 lockscreen haha

Thanks notsointeresting, I just got this phone and have been wondering what way I wanted to go on it in terms of what rom to put on it. I am coming from a Samsung Transform so almost any rom is going to run faster and smoother then the best rom and kernal package could give me on the transform. Based on your review I am trying the MikShift-G Sense 1.4 so far so good really enjoy the sense feel and look. Thinking of trying Supreme Sense but would like to find a video of it before going through the trouble of downloading it and setting it up.
Not to hijack the thread but could you tell me even in a PM your review of kernals available?

saiyandide said:
Thanks notsointeresting, I just got this phone and have been wondering what way I wanted to go on it in terms of what rom to put on it. I am coming from a Samsung Transform so almost any rom is going to run faster and smoother then the best rom and kernal package could give me on the transform. Based on your review I am trying the MikShift-G Sense 1.4 so far so good really enjoy the sense feel and look. Thinking of trying Supreme Sense but would like to find a video of it before going through the trouble of downloading it and setting it up.
Not to hijack the thread but could you tell me even in a PM your review of kernals available?
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Believe me I would love to haha. But unless your on an AOSP rom your SOL (sadly out of luck haha) because HTC has not provided the source code for the evo shift yet so developers can not make kernels. It's a serious GPL violation an people (including me) have been sending tweets and posting on twitters face book wall saying something like ( @HTC We still need you to release the source code for the EVO Shift 4G #GPL #Android) they will have to release it soon though and I'm thinking when that time comes I might make a dedicated thread for kernel and roms and put my reviews and information on them and let people leave reviews or what not. But that would depend on if people where interested.
Also check out my EpicBlue theme for Milshift-G it finally supports 1.4

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Its an outstanding ROM. but if you just dont like the design asthetics of sense then no you wont like it.
but all the problems people say they have with sense is eliminated in the rom
I am running Supreme Sense which is based of Mikshift-G (as i said in the review lol) and at 72% battery life i am going 8 hours and 8 min (reading it off my phone as i type) with wifi going the whole time, gps, lots of texts a few voice calls and LOTS of web browsing.
The lag people expierence with sense is compltley gone it runs great and smooth just as fast as AOSP. Some apps may take half a second more to load tho
and you gotta love the sense 3 lockscreen haha
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You did leave out all the customizable lockscreens with miui, I have the sense 3 lockscreen as well running the latest miui.us.
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Rooster85 said:
You did leave out all the customizable lockscreens with miui, I have the sense 3 lockscreen as well running the latest miui.us.
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Not only lock screens but customizable notification bar, icons, boot animation and fonts. All easily customized from the theme manager.
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Not only lock screens but customizable notification bar, icons, boot animation and fonts. All easily customized from the theme manager.
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I did not know the later versions had a sense 3 lockscreen? Is it a remake of it or is it a port of the exact one. I just ask so I can put it on my post.
And yes your right I did leave out theme manager for miui it does have a very simple way to download and use complete themes to change everything from sounds to looks to bootanimations.
Edit: I added that information in the first post I made. Thanks very much Rooster85 and Crump84

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I did not know the later versions had a sense 3 lockscreen? Is it a remake of it or is it a port of the exact one. I just ask so I can put it on my post.
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The Sense 3 lockscreen screen has to be added through the theme manager. There are threads dedicated to just miui lock screens, Sense 3 is just one of the many options.
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The Sense 3 lockscreen screen has to be added through the theme manager. There are threads dedicated to just miui lock screens, Sense 3 is just one of the many options.
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Many thanks man.
The post has been updated with more accurate information
I have not flashed miui since 1.7.5 I think? And then went to mikshift-G and haven't tried anything since then but looks like I need to take a look at miui again

I would highly suggest it, it was 7.something where a lot of cool changes were made. I believe the sense lockscreen its a exact port or at least it looks EXACTLY the same as the mikshift [email protected]
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I would highly suggest it, it was 7.something where a lot of cool changes were made. I believe the sense lockscreen its a exact port or at least it looks EXACTLY the same as the mikshift [email protected]
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MIUI is great and all I really like it. But until MIUI starts supporting 4G I can't use it for more than a couple hours to figure out all the features and what ill miss when I flash back.
I live in texas so its the one of the most heavily covered 4G areas (if not THE most heavily covered area) in the U.S so I need it
Edit: BTW OP I hope were not hijacking your thread here. We are talking about ROM's and our opinions so it shouldn't but were not exactly reviewing them so please let us know lol

notsointeresting said:
MIUI is great and all I really like it. But until MIUI starts supporting 4G I can't use it for more than a couple hours to figure out all the features and what ill miss when I flash back.
I live in texas so its the one of the most heavily covered 4G areas (if not THE most heavily covered area) in the U.S so I need it
Edit: BTW OP I hope were not hijacking your thread here. We are talking about ROM's and our opinions so it shouldn't but were not exactly reviewing them so please let us know lol
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Yeah, i hear ya on that... Without 4G I wouldn't have a cell phone... Where I live my 4G is sometimes worse than 3G speeds... My 3G is usually at 1x speeds and my talk varies... For all that I've tried Evervolv and it messed up my phone. Hated it. I currently use the Cyanogen Nightlies. They for me offer the best of everything. Speed, customization, battery life... With the theme chooser they can look basically how ever you want. With beautiful widgets you can get some sense like widgets and others. Many launcher options. I use ADW and its a perfect blend of stability and customization. I've heard very good things about Shift deck. In my opinion sense is super slow compared to AOSP. People have said that the Mikshift G runs like AOSP. But to me, i can see the difference. So I'm gonna vote for plain and simple cyanogen
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What is the "best" ROM, what has what?

Hey Guys & Girls,
I have a HTC Desire Z, I am currently running the MIUI Osimod ROM and it's starting to lag plus there are a few little things what bug me and annoy me however it is quite a good ROM
I'm looking for a "better" ROM, I don't know how to pick between each ROM, if there was 2 or 3 ROM's I would of simply tried each one but there are LOADS of ROM's.
I wish there was a rule and a specific topic layout enabling novices to see the major differences between ROM's because its so hard, a simple tickbox system would be good enough to help compare.
If you have any suggestions for a ROM for me to use, tell me your favourite ROM and why you think it's better than others or the reasons you like it over others...
If you could do this, it would be much appreciated
Thanks
- Hyflex

Hyflex said:
Hey Guys & Girls,
I have a HTC Desire Z, I am currently running the MIUI Osimod ROM and it's starting to lag plus there are a few little things what bug me and annoy me however it is quite a good ROM
I'm looking for a "better" ROM, I don't know how to pick between each ROM, if there was 2 or 3 ROM's I would of simply tried each one but there are LOADS of ROM's.
I wish there was a rule and a specific topic layout enabling novices to see the major differences between ROM's because its so hard, a simple tickbox system would be good enough to help compare.
If you have any suggestions for a ROM for me to use, tell me your favourite ROM and why you think it's better than others or the reasons you like it over others...
If you could do this, it would be much appreciated
Thanks
- Hyflex
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OMGOMGOMGOMG NOT THIS AGAIN!!!!!! As stated in other threads, the best rom comes down to user preference. Like my fav is virtuous unity because i like sense 3.0 UI
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evilcuber said:
OMGOMGOMGOMG NOT THIS AGAIN!!!!!! As stated in other threads, the best rom comes down to user preference. Like my fav is virtuous unity because i like sense 3.0 UI
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If you noticed... I said "best" and said: "tell me your favourite ROM and why you think it's better than others or the reasons you like it over others"
Meaning, I understand and know its personal opinions / user preference and am saying "best" not as in which ones the fastest, most features...etc but want to know what ROM's people are using and what they like about them.
Simple

Hyflex said:
If you noticed... I said "best" and said: "tell me your favourite ROM and why you think it's better than others or the reasons you like it over others"
Meaning, I understand and know its personal opinions / user preference and am saying "best" not as in which ones the fastest, most features...etc but want to know what ROM's people are using and what they like about them.
Simple
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Well you should change the thread name from the best rom to your fav rom. Also you could check out reviews on each rom to learn more, you could also read the threads for each rom to get ppls opinions
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If you try and flash all of them and experiment them out, you'll find out which one you like the best.
I prefer the sense based widgets, so I stick more with the sense-rom sides.
I have always been a CM user, but with the DZ I've felt that I don't really need CM or CM based roms because it's speedy enough on sense. Can't say for sure with virtuous unity, feels like it uses a bit more resources and battery. But that's just my opinion.

how come there is no poll somewhere that shows how many ppl are at what rom...
anyways its definitely a personal preference... i went from Sense 2.0 to CM to OSI_MIUI and now back at Sense 3... virtuous unity is stable and fast enough (with overclocking) havn't had any problems with it...

awsrasool said:
how come there is no poll somewhere that shows how many ppl are at what rom...
anyways its definitely a personal preference... i went from Sense 2.0 to CM to OSI_MIUI and now back at Sense 3... virtuous unity is stable and fast enough (with overclocking) havn't had any problems with it...
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I just tried unity and its slow once i have my apps installed it was slow and my im apps were disconnecting (restarting)

Hyflex said:
I just tried unity and its slow once i have my apps installed it was slow and my im apps were disconnecting (restarting)
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Was this an earlier version of unity?
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evilcuber said:
Was this an earlier version of unity?
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I used 1.31, the most current non beta and I feel the lag at times. Virtuous sense feels a lot better.
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kaijura said:
I used 1.31, the most current non beta and I feel the lag at times. Virtuous sense feels a lot better.
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It was latest, I never download old stuff and Im using the G-Lite version atm its pretty bare, I want to have the reboot options and the toggles tab (when u open notifications) also I want to stop the stupid "USB Connected" message popping up its driving me insane lol

Love those thread, because its hard too choose.
Tried cm7, but no sense ui.
Tried virtuous sense 2.0, but its 2.0
Love the unity 1.31.
recently upgrade to unity 2.37, but tons of bugs.
About virtuous doubleshot?

oVeRdOsE. said:
Love those thread, because its hard too choose.
Tried cm7, but no sense ui.
Tried virtuous sense 2.0, but its 2.0
Love the unity 1.31.
recently upgrade to unity 2.37, but tons of bugs.
About virtuous doubleshot?
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'tons of bugs'? Such as?
I moved away from Unity when it moved to Sense 3.0 because it was so unstable on my DZ - I guess because of the memory requirements.
I used Virtuous Sense 2 for a good few weeks, but I really wanted Sense 3.
Tried a few others (doubleshot, Honeysense etc.) but now Unity 2.37 is out I have had barely any problems - fully recommended.

I've used them all and Bulletproof's MIUI Rom is the best in my opinion. Then again it all comes down to preference.
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I actually enjoy these types of threads because it keeps us users on our toes. At the same time, if the Dev's browse these threads, perhaps they'll be able to compare their featureset with another ROM's featureset. That being said, here is my opinion if you haven't already chosen a ROM yet.
Sense: I LOVE SenseUI. The native Facebook integration, intelligent dialer and the host of intuitive widgets is great to have. It is THE go-to ROM if you want a plug-and-play ROM. Setup time is minimal and though Sense does take up more resources than say CM, AOSP-based or MIUI, it is the tradeoff you make to have convenience. My SenseUI recommendation would be Virtuous Sense 2.0 hands down. Doubleshot and Expresso ports are nice but they're not true SenseUI. SenseUI 3.0 (i.e. Virtuous Unity, etc...) is nice but you need to sacrifice more than system resources to run that properly (i.e. if you have the G2, you need to convert to the DesireZ HBOOT; might have to OC more to get SenseUI 3.0 to run smoother, etc...).
AOSP: I ran AOSP based ROM's in the past and the best advantage is SPEED. A typical AOSP ROM is about 1/3 the size of the equivalent SenseUI ROM so you'll have tons of space to hold your apps and other stuff. AOSP is nice if you have a specific app to use for your different types of integration. My recommendation for AOSP based ROMs would be either CM7 (Haven't used before) or Virtuous G-Lite (Used and loved). The only reason I left AOSP (for now) is because I want the Facebook and other types of integration and convenience that SenseUI offers in one package rather than find equivalent apps to do the same thing.
MIUI: Think of this as AOSP with an iPhone-esque skin; easily customizable from a UI standpoint. This makes sense because MIUI stands for "My UI" according to my research. Alot of the features in the various MIUI builds are similar to that of AOSP ROMs just with added UI customizeability. Each flavor does add or subtract some features, but the baseline experience should be similar throughout. My recommendation for MIUI would be the Official MIUI build for the DesireZ/G2 from MIUI.us.
It seems that you understand (surprising that many don't) that whether you like or dislike a ROM is completely personal. Myself, for example, love to have SenseUI. Others will swear profanity at SenseUI and kick my arse for loving it. I hope you can find the ROM that suits you!
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I agree with everything you stated, ad I have tried all ROMs uve stated. I also love sense ui and features hence stuck to virtuous sense 2.0. If it wasnt for that i would straight head to miui as it then be customized to my demand.
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hmm stock pre-rooted ota works great for me and fast!

Ramsfan_Jim said:
'tons of bugs'? Such as?
I moved away from Unity when it moved to Sense 3.0 because it was so unstable on my DZ - I guess because of the memory requirements.
I used Virtuous Sense 2 for a good few weeks, but I really wanted Sense 3.
Tried a few others (doubleshot, Honeysense etc.) but now Unity 2.37 is out I have had barely any problems - fully recommended.
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I'll post some pictures in the dev section about my bugs. I hope its something easy to fix because so far is the fastest rom I've tried.

Been trying to find a ROM that lasts the whole day, and not even g-lite lasted me more than 12 hours. Not sure why since all I do is text, run on edge all the time, below 50% brightness, no background data.

I tried these ones from virtuous 'cause I like Sense much. But... they had same "feature", after few days and software updates I started to get force closes from acore and gapps and couldn't use UI/phone at all. Even rebooting to recovery was pain in the ass. I tried factoryreset and even re-install on top of old one without wipe, but didn't help. CM7 going strong and steady now.

I hate to be repetitious, but as long as these "best ROM" threads keep popping up, I'll keep saying it. OP mentions "favorite ROM" in the body of his post, but "best ROM" in the title. Really, "favorite" is a better terms, as there is no "best" ROM. Everyone has different needs, tastes, and preferences. Calling one "best" or "better" than others is an insult to the generous devs who work so hard making these ROMs for us.