Hello,
I wonder if anyone know... What happens when let's say i have 9gb of data on my s2 and i want to backup it with nandroid? It should be possible to do this to sd card, but what if some apps are on phone and some on sd card? How backup then?
If i upgrade to a newer custom built rom, i them try to backup, wouldn't it restore the older backed up firmware? Or just apps and settings, but not rom itself?
Thank you,
Tomas
no one? did no one fill their phone and tried to backup? maybe there is a solution to backup to a computer?
execine said:
Hello,
I wonder if anyone know... What happens when let's say i have 9gb of data on my s2 and i want to backup it with nandroid? It should be possible to do this to sd card, but what if some apps are on phone and some on sd card? How backup then?
If i upgrade to a newer custom built rom, i them try to backup, wouldn't it restore the older backed up firmware? Or just apps and settings, but not rom itself?
Thank you,
Tomas
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Nandroid backups are an image of
/system
/data
/dbdata
(on CF-Root, not sure about original CWM) it also includes .android_secure, which is SD-stored apps.
I don't understand what you are asking.
If there is not enough space you obviously have to delete something.
BTW: data-partition is around 2,1GB and system-partition 500MB, so there is no way a single backup can use 9GB
Maybe I am not being very clear, sorry about that
Coming from an Iphone, i am looking for a total phone backup solution. Itunes backs up literally everything - your apps, music, photos etc. It's filled probably with 20gb of different data.
Question is if I have my phone filled with games, different apps which make let's say 10 gb (not that much counting in that one game may be up to 1 gb), so how do i backup this? To SD card?
What if I have 20gb of data , 10 of which are on phone, 10 on sd card, in this case i wouldn't be able to backup everything?
One more technical question about rom upgrades. Currently i installed Villain Rom and have a backup made with nandroid. When i upgrade to a newer Villain Rom 1.5 or whatever comes out and I do the restore, i suppose it will restore 1.4 rom version with it's all apps and settings?
In this case, how do i backup only accounts, contacts, sms , apps, photogallery but not rom itself?
Sorry for all those questions, but i'm reading the forum all over, and there's still hundreds of questions i'm looking to find answers, so that i could comfortably migrate from iphone to galaxy..
execine said:
Maybe I am not being very clear, sorry about that
Coming from an Iphone, i am looking for a total phone backup solution. Itunes backs up literally everything - your apps, music, photos etc. It's filled probably with 20gb of different data.
Question is if I have my phone filled with games, different apps which make let's say 10 gb (not that much counting in that one game may be up to 1 gb), so how do i backup this? To SD card?
What if I have 20gb of data , 10 of which are on phone, 10 on sd card, in this case i wouldn't be able to backup everything?
One more technical question about rom upgrades. Currently i installed Villain Rom and have a backup made with nandroid. When i upgrade to a newer Villain Rom 1.5 or whatever comes out and I do the restore, i suppose it will restore 1.4 rom version with it's all apps and settings?
In this case, how do i backup only accounts, contacts, sms , apps, photogallery but not rom itself?
Sorry for all those questions, but i'm reading the forum all over, and there's still hundreds of questions i'm looking to find answers, so that i could comfortably migrate from iphone to galaxy..
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Regarding restoring only apps/accounts/etc but not the rom iteself, within cwm, in backup and restore, chhoose advanced restore and the restore data.
Im not certain whether it restores gallery or sms.i sync my photos via dropbox, and backup my texts seperately.
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So there is no unified backup solution for android? You would have to back up everything separately ?
execine said:
So there is no unified backup solution for android? You would have to back up everything separately ?
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It's fairly simple:
Nandroid for your ROM and user data that is on the PHONE and /data partition
For the /sdcard and /sdcard/external_sd, that's up to you to sort out... Perhaps back up the contents by connecting to your PC? Then copy the contents of the SD? That way you have your nandroid backup stored on the computer just in case
so then in case something goes wrong, i restore with nandroid and manually copy contents from PC and ALL of my phone's data (software, contacts, gallery etc) will be there?
execine said:
Coming from an Iphone, i am looking for a total phone backup solution. Itunes backs up literally everything - your apps, music, photos etc. It's filled probably with 20gb of different data.
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Well, now you have a phone that doesn´t hide everything from the user it shouldn´t be that hard to make a backup.
There are basically 4 interesting partitions on the phone:
system (about 500MB) - This holds more or less the whole Firmware. While it is technically just a partition on the flash-memory, it is used like a ROM in normal usage, so the only situation where something will be written on this partition is a firmware-upgrade.
data (about 2GB)- This partition holds all user-installed apps and their settings.
sdcard (about 12GB) - This is not really a sdcard. Instead it is a part of the internal memory, you can use it for example for media, documents, images etc., whatever you like. This partition can be accessed on your computer as a regular USB-storage, and you can do a backup of it the way you like, either simply copying everything, or using a backup-solution of your choice.
external_sd (optional) - This is the micro-sd-card you can put in your phone. Obviously you can use it for anything you like. This partition is also accessible as a USB-storage or you can use a simple USB card-reader to access it on your computer.
Usually all your applications and settings will be stored in the /data/-partition.
If you choose the Move-to-SD option in the application-manager, some parts of the application will be moved to the (internal) /sdcard/-partition, but all the user-data/settings still remain on the /data/-partition.
So the maximum space you need to backup all your settings and apps is under 3GB.
Now to the possibilities of a backup, and the importance of the different things.
A nandroid-backup will basically make an image of the /system/ and /data/ partitions (also a bit more, but that´s not really important).
Usually it will use the /sdcard/-partition, which actually is still in your phone.
If you restore a Nandroid-Backup your System will be in the exact state before the backup, including all applications with their settings (which also means contacts, e-mails, sms etc).
Obviously everything that has changed after the backup will be lost.
A restore well also restore the complete firmware from the backup.
A backup from Nandroid can only be restored on the same phone, with the same partitions.
The second possibility to make backups would be TitaniumBackup.
This program will store all your installed applications and their data.
Default it will store it on the internal /sdcard/, but it is probably more useful to change the path to the external_sd.
Everything in Android is an application, so this will also save all your settings.
During a restore TitaniumBackup simply reinstalls your applications and then restores their settings.
TitaniumBackup can restore your applications with any Firmware, and in theory even on other phones (it may not work with special System-apps but it surely works with most "user-apps")
So Clockworkmod is great if you want to play around with different firmwares, especially Custom ROMs.
You can install different ROMs, make a backup and very easy and fast switch between them.
For a "regular" backup TitaniumBackup is maybe the better choice, it can backup all your settings and applications and for example if a Firmware-update goes wrong simply restore anything.
There is no real need to backup the /system/-partition anyway, you can simply download the Firmware and flash it, there is no user-data on this partition.
sdcard and external_sd usually only contains media, which you probably have somewhere on your PC anyway, so there is no real need for a backup, maybe for the pictures and videos you make with your phone, but again you should copy this on your PC regularly anyway. And if you want you can easily copy everything on it as well.
What if I have 20gb of data , 10 of which are on phone, 10 on sd card, in this case i wouldn't be able to backup everything?
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Question is if I have my phone filled with games, different apps which make let's say 10 gb (not that much counting in that one game may be up to 1 gb), so how do i backup this? To SD card?[/quote]
Apps can´t be several GB in size on Android. Normally you have only around 2GB for Apps, if you use the App2SD-feature it can be expanded a bit.
If applications need a lot of data, for example like navigation-programs or games, they will download this on the first start and store this on the /sdcard/-partition.
As I said, you can access this easily like a removable drive and copy everything you like.
It isn´t also that important to make a backup of this, as it can be downloaded again anytime, and if something goes wrong it usually will mess up your system and don´t influence the data-partition anyway (well as long as you don´t repartition the whole memory)
Thank you, that does explain a lot!
I connected my S2, but i can't see to find any installed apps browsing through USB, or i shouldn't be seeing that?
Tomas
execine said:
Thank you, that does explain a lot!
I connected my S2, but i can't see to find any installed apps browsing through USB, or i shouldn't be seeing that?
Tomas
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No, they are stored in /data
You back that up using nandroid, then you restore it via nandroid and they will be there. What you see on your PC via USB is the "internal SD".
Understood, thank you. Things getting more clear after a week of reading and using the phone ))
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execine said:
I connected my S2, but i can't see to find any installed apps browsing through USB, or i shouldn't be seeing that?
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No, you see the (internal) /sdcard/ partition and (if present) the /external_sd/ (the MicroSD-card you have in your phone)
To simply backup your applications, the easiest way is TitaniumBackup.
This will store the .apk and settings for each up in a folder of your choice (on /sdcard/ or /external_sd/, as you usually have no direct access to the other partitions)
You can copy this folder on your PC, or even in the TitaniumBackup-folder of another phone and use it there.
There are several advantages using TitaniumBackup to save your Apps over CWM-recovery. You can use it with the enabled phone for example, and also just restore individual Apps, if you like.
I am used to restore my apps with titanium backup after flashing new rom.
After restoring, I will move all my user apps to internal storage with the function "Move user apps to Internal memory".
Here I have to give sebastiaan15 a huge thanks for his rom "Runnymede 5.3", it's truly amazing!!!!
Let's go down to business. Because sebastiaan15's rom is really too smooth, I was thinking what will happen if I move some apps to SD card with original method?
Yap, my desire crashed. Because I moved apps with function "Move user apps to the SD card" in titanium backup and I forgot that there is some phone only apps.
Actually, I didn't know that function too much. That was the reason why I troubled myself.
Afterward I searched this issue on google. I saw much people had same problem as me and the only answer was reflashing the rom.
I've reflashed my desire without a newer backup. The last backup is few weeks ago. Sadly, my data of angry birds three stars has gone.
Here is what I want to tell you guys....
DO NOT USE TITANIUM TO MOVE APPS TO SD CARD!!!
No offense, but titanium works fine if you use it corrrectly. I have to say, I think this is user error.
But if you're using a rom with a2sd+ you shouldn't be moving anything to SD card anyway.. Because then you are splitting apps accros /data, /SDCARD and /SD-EXT which is just WRONG!
rootSU said:
No offense, but titanium works fine if you use it corrrectly. I have to say, I think this is user error.
But if you're using a rom with a2sd+ you shouldn't be moving anything to SD card anyway.. Because then you are splitting apps accros /data, /SDCARD and /SD-EXT which is just WRONG!
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Yes, it's my bad.
Curiosity killed the cat XD
Without a doubt, titanium is the best backup software, that's why I'm still using it.
I just want to tell you guys my tragedy and I think this function is not really often be used, especially we are using a2sd+.
Thanks for your explanation of why we shouldn't move anything to sd if we are using a2sd+, have a nice day
I no longer use an ext partition for a2sd+ and have used titanium to move user apps many times with no problems.
Even with a2sd+ it should work, but its not recommended as mentioned above.
Some advise, when you are playing games and made heavy progress like your 3 stars on all levels of angry birds, if your using titanium you should back up app + data then copy your titanium folder to you PC.
Back when I was a flash-o-holic I’d make heavy progress on a game while using one rom and then I’d change my ROM and lose my data until I discovered that TB actually backs up your progress.
So now when I set a high score or beat a certain level back up app + data then you can flash and reflash and you wont lose the data.
Also if your flashing frequently I also suggest S-OFF and use the CM7R2 HBOOT and AmaRullz AD2SDX script loads of space with no need to move apps anywhere
Of course, you have to be carefully when you are using titanium backup I use titanium backup for longer time and I have never had any problem. All my apps are in internal memory and I haven't got not enought free space. As you may know you can set autobackup of your apps and system settings for every day
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Hmm you really shouldn't be telling everyone not to use titanium to move apps to sd card because you made an error. It want the app's fault. I use titanium to move apps all the time and no problems whatsoever.
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In order to move all apps to / from SD I use App2SD, which is all you need.
Blaming Titanium for a usage error is not fair, though. Titanium is a very powerful tool. Sometimes, those powerful tools can be used to do something "not so good".
back up
Titanium back up..... i am not use this app because i am confused !!
How is it confusing?
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Does the google backup my data option in settings actually backup any game data downloaded to internal storage? and more importantly will it get restored once i have logged in to the new one expected tomorrow?
Also does anyone know if I have the original boxed and ready to go whether I can hand it over directly to the man from TNT?
Pretty sure Google backup doesn't keep save data. Just copy your /sdcard/android directory to your PC, that should contain all the save data, then just copy the relevant folders back to your new device after installing the game. Restoring might be different for each game, I found that copying the entire fifa12 directory just forced the game to re-download the game data - but copying over just the save folder restored the same state perfectly.
No it won't backup that kind of data. Just stuff like your wifi pairings. You need to get some backup software like Titanium Backup from the Play Store to keep game data properly.