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Hi everyone,
I bought my T-Mobile G1 from the states about a year ago, when the G1 was exclusive to T-Mobile. I am currently using my G1 on the Rogers network. I knew I would only get EDGE and won't be able to get 3G on my phone but I was content, because I wanted the G1 so bad!!!!!! Rogers operate on 850/1900Mhz and the T-Mo G1 runs on 1700/2100Mhz. Now since Rogers are selling the HTC Dream, it changes things for me. I want 3G!!!!!!
So, to get down to the point, I was wondering if there is a way for me to flash my T-Mo G1 with the Rogers HTC Dream image/firmware/radio so I can get 3G on the Rogers network?
My G1 info:
DREA100 PVT 32B
HSPL10.95.3000
CPLD-4
RADIO-2.22.19.26I
I know there are a few posts about this, but all the posts died.
If there is a existing post about this inquiry please point me to the right thread.
Thanks
good dream!
its impossible unless u replace the hardware
eniram said:
Hi everyone,
I bought my T-Mobile G1 from the states about a year ago, when the G1 was exclusive to T-Mobile. I am currently using my G1 on the Rogers network. I knew I would only get EDGE and won't be able to get 3G on my phone but I was content, because I wanted the G1 so bad!!!!!! Rogers operate on 850/1900Mhz and the T-Mo G1 runs on 1700/2100Mhz. Now since Rogers are selling the HTC Dream, it changes things for me. I want 3G!!!!!!
So, to get down to the point, I was wondering if there is a way for me to flash my T-Mo G1 with the Rogers HTC Dream image/firmware/radio so I can get 3G on the Rogers network?
My G1 info:
DREA100 PVT 32B
HSPL10.95.3000
CPLD-4
RADIO-2.22.19.26I
I know there are a few posts about this, but all the posts died.
If there is a existing post about this inquiry please point me to the right thread.
Thanks
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I'm fairly sure that's a hardware limitation, and not something that software can fix. People have tried flashing the Rogers radio on tmo dreams and ended up with bricks (shockingly >.>).
ytwytw said:
good dream!
its impossible unless u replace the hardware
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i need to flash an htc g1,
and i dont get any software to do,
the matter is that it is resetting,
i already hard reset it, and its the same,
what do you sugest?
I think this is very possible. I have in my possession a G1 from T-Mobile UK which was reflashed with the US ROM and it works swimmingly on 3G here.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but T-Mo UK's 3G is on 1900 MHz and US is on 1700. This would lead me to believe that the radio IS capable of operating on all current UMTS frequencies.
Sorry fine sirs,
but you would have to find a Canadian frequency version of this and install it in your phone.
BAMF said:
I think this is very possible. I have in my possession a G1 from T-Mobile UK which was reflashed with the US ROM and it works swimmingly on 3G here.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but T-Mo UK's 3G is on 1900 MHz and US is on 1700. This would lead me to believe that the radio IS capable of operating on all current UMTS frequencies.
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i need the 1900mhz rom, urgent, help me please,
as i know here in this forum theres many smart guys that know about this,
here they can help, do it please
thank you in advance
Why don't you just try it and find out? If it doesn't work, then just flash back your original image.
I don't think you need to change the antenna. The radio chipset is what determines which frequencies you can operate on, the antenna is basically a glorified piece of wire. Think about this: the G1 in the USA operates GSM/GPRS on 850, 900, and 1900 MHz, as well as UMTS on 1700 and 2100 MHz... all with the same antenna! You don't need to change it to operate on Rogers.
BAMF said:
Why don't you just try it and find out? If it doesn't work, then just flash back your original image.
I don't think you need to change the antenna. The radio chipset is what determines which frequencies you can operate on, the antenna is basically a glorified piece of wire. Think about this: the G1 in the USA operates GSM/GPRS on 850, 900, and 1900 MHz, as well as UMTS on 1700 and 2100 MHz... all with the same antenna! You don't need to change it to operate on Rogers.
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Really? Then why has nobody successfully "converted" the antenna to other frequencies?
happyface_0 said:
Really? Then why has nobody successfully "converted" the antenna to other frequencies?
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Dude go back and read my last two posts... I have "converted" a UK G1 (read: no 1700 MHz band in the UK) to work on T-Mobile USA's 3G. The only "conversion" I did was installing the US ROM. No antenna swap, no mainboard swap, did not open the phone whatsoever. Unlocked and the flashed. Done.
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Dude go back and read my last two posts... I have "converted" a UK G1 (read: no 1700 MHz band in the UK) to work on T-Mobile USA's 3G. The only "conversion" I did was installing the US ROM. No antenna swap, no mainboard swap, did not open the phone whatsoever. Unlocked and the flashed. Done.
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So you didn't get 3G before, and after flashing a "US" ROM (ROMs are region defined?) you have 3G? Hmmm
AdrianK said:
So you didn't get 3G before, and after flashing a "US" ROM (ROMs are region defined?) you have 3G? Hmmm
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No, that is not what I said. When I received the phone, which was a UK model with the T-Mo UK ROM installed, I immediately unlocked it, rooted it, and reflashed with the US ROM. I did not test it before hand to see if 3G worked because the phone was locked to T-Mo UK and I only have a T-Mo US SIM card. I never said that it was not capable of 1700 MHz before the flash, only that the hardware was capable regardless of where it was bought.
And yes, the T-Mo UK ROM is different than that of the T-Mo US ROM. I am not a programmer, so I do not know how fundamentally different it is, but it most definitely comes with different apps and customizations, as well as APNs. Also, if you remove the battery cover, the UK model has a different part number than the US model. Beyond that, it is shown as an 'unrecognized device' in T-Mobile USA's system, whereas the US model shows up as an HTC G1. I believe that this is only related to the ESN, but the internet only works on it with the Android data package- it would not work on the Sidekick plan. I don't know if it's network-side or phone-side, but something is identifying it as an Android device.
Anyway, my whole point to the OP was that his phone should have the proper HARDWARE to operate on either Rogers' or T-Mobile's 3G, and that if something was preventing him from doing that now it was most likely due to the software on his phone.
The only part of a ROM that could change this would be the radio
https://your.rogers.com/web_auth/downloads.asp?product=Wireless
http://www.htc.com/ca/SupportDownloadList.aspx?p_id=270&act=sd&cat=2
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=534464&highlight=repository
That's the Rogers download page, try it out.
Bump: anyone try this out yet? I'm curious... It seems hard to find the Rogers standalone update though, you might need to unroot then reroot to do this.
Hello if someone could help me with my 3G connection inquiry, I would greatly appreciate it.
I bought this phone unlocked from Hong Kong and brought it back to Canada. But the 3G connection through Rogers won't work. I am able to connect to edge (When i pop in my sisters sim card which has a data plan, as my sim card currently does not have a data plan).
I talked to Rogers and they said that everything is compatable (After mentioning the phone frequencies and speed capabilities) and that the only reason 3G isnt working is that I have not configured my phone properly for 3G and at this moment it is configured for 2G (Edge).
I then contacted HTC and they said the reason was because "for the Rogers network, their 3G signal is operated on the 850/1900 MHZ band and the Touch HD2 operates on the 900/2100 MHZ band." Could this be the reason? Will i never taste the pleasures of a 3G connection?
PLEASE HELP!!
since you have bought it in hongkong most probably you have the asian version. It comes with 900/2100 MHZ bands and as you mentioned ROger needs 850/1900 frequency.
You could also get Telstra version from Australia and unlock it as it has 850/1900 frquency so that you could get 3g. But not possible on the one you already have.
Yea its the frequencies. When I take my phones abroad, I always check what frequencies the country has. If the frequencies don't match, the phone won't work in terms of placing calls, 3G etc.
is there a way to unlock ?
meow914 said:
is there a way to unlock ?
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There is no software that can get around this "problem"
It is purely a hardware limitation.
perhaps with flashing radio but i'm not shure
[email protected] said:
perhaps with flashing radio but i'm not shure
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Nope, it still will not support the correct bands that he needs
This is a completely hardware related problem
simple solution....
simple solution...sell it or trade it fot the right one
hi every one im thinking about buying a tmous htc hd 2 cause of the 1gb rom 576 mb ram , im just wandering if the phone will work in australia 3g , vodafone , i found out download band for voda is 2100 and upload 900
can some one shed any light on this should i buy the tmous htc hd 2 or t8585
thanks in advance
No, The T-Mo US HD2 won't work on those 3g bands. You want the t8585.
Or the 9193. which is the AU model that will work with ATT USA 850 band 3g
thanks for the reply whats the differnece in having 1gb rom
jeewadj said:
thanks for the reply whats the differnece in having 1gb rom
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Rom = The amount of storage on your phone for contacts, music, movies etc.
T9193 - Vodafone Australia
im using the t9193. Im with vodafone. "3G" "H" "E"
I get great speeds
b84 said:
im using the t9193. Im with vodafone. "3G" "H" "E"
I get great speeds
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I'm very surprised to hear that your 9193 locks onto an H or 3G icon with Vodafone. EDGE, sure, but that's 2.5G data, not 3G.
The 9193 supports 3G/HSDPA on 850 and 1900MHz
The 8585 supports 3G/HSDPA on 900 and 2100MHz
Everything I've read about Vodafone points to them using 900 & 2100MHz bands for 3G/HSDPA.
band
i am using 900 2100
i used a cab to add more bands
BAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!! ROFLMAO
You're an idiot, stop posting misinformation.
If you use Telstra then you need the t9193 model but if you use any other provider you will need the t8585 model to be able to access the full 3G service, I could be wrong but that's what caught me out.
I am on Vodafone and I have the T8585 with H E 3G & G bands via 900/2100.
gamecore is correct T9193 for Telstra, and T8585 for others eg Vodafone etc...
ok i am new to this but can someone tell me what's the different between
the
T8585 and the T9193 (i know that the T8585 is the one with the 512 rom) so is the T9193 the telstra verson of the HD2?
i am going to america next month and just to make things clear
(i am on optus)
if i want to buy a HD2 with the 1GB ROM it won't work in Aus ?
so should i buy the normal verson of the phone (T8585)?
if i just want to use the phone for call,text,mms (no internet browsing) can i get the 1GB one ? or would i still get the T8585?
so if i want the phone to be able to use the internet(not wifi) "on the go" and check e-mail i will need to get the T8585 right ? ( the one with less rom?)
STHD said:
ok i am new to this but can someone tell me what's the different between
the
T8585 and the T9193 (i know that the T8585 is the one with the 512 rom) so is the T9193 the telstra verson of the HD2?
i am going to america next month and just to make things clear
(i am on optus)
if i want to buy a HD2 with the 1GB ROM it won't work in Aus ?
so should i buy the normal verson of the phone (T8585)?
if i just want to use the phone for call,text,mms (no internet browsing) can i get the 1GB one ? or would i still get the T8585?
so if i want the phone to be able to use the internet(not wifi) "on the go" and check e-mail i will need to get the T8585 right ? ( the one with less rom?)
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STHD,
A brief lesson in mobile phone protocols, and which model supports what:
T8585 & T9193
Worldwide
GSM, 850/900/1800/2100MHz
GPRS, 850/900/1800/2100MHz
EDGE, 850/900/1800/2100MHz
T8585
Australia (Voda, Optus), Europe, Asia
3G/UMTS, 900/2100MHz
HSDPA, 900/2100MHz
T9193
Telstra AU, USA (most), Japan (I think)
3G/UMTS, 850/1900MHz
HSDPA, 850/1900MHz
So,
Both the T8585 & T9193 can use the following services worldwide, on any carrier that uses the GSM (NOT CDMA!) mobile network:
* Calls
* SMS
* MMS, assuming you have some sort of data plan supporting GPRS or better.
* Mobile web & email, but only at GPRS (data rates of 56-114 kbit/s) or EDGE speeds (up to 236.8 kbit/s).
The T9193 supports 3G/HSDPA on 850 and 1900MHz - Telstra & most US carriers use these frequencies for 3G data.
The 8585 supports 3G/HSDPA on 900 and 2100MHz - Most European, Asian and all other Australian providers use these frequencies for 3G data.
See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Mobile_telecommunications_standards for a heirachical view of the technologies.
Three key points here:
1) You can't (AFAIK) buy the T8585 model from a network provider in the USA. They will all be T9193 models.
2) If you're *visiting* the USA, and indend to to use the phone on Optus when you return, buy the T8585 model from somewhere in Asia or Europe (http://Handtec.co.uk is my personal recommendation). You can still use the phone when you go to the USA for calls, sms, and gprs & edge data, and get full 3G/HSDPA speeds when you come home to Optus.
3) Ignore the 1GB Flash ROM on T9193 model. The T8585 comes with an 8GB SD card - just install all your apps on the card. This has the additional benefit that you don't need to re-install every time you flash another ROM.
Make sense?
Phrak
So basically you need the T8585 for Optus.
If you get the T9193 for optus network you can do everything that the T8585 does but you wont be able to use 3G it will only be 2G or slower for web and emails on your phone.
ok thanks Phark that really help me out working out the issues
just to point something out from Phark post
T8585 Should be T9193/T-mobile verson
Telstra AU, USA (most), Japan (I think)
3G/UMTS, 850/1900MHz
HSDPA, 850/1900MHz
not picking on you (Phark) but just want to make sure everyone gets it or else it will be confusing (am i right?lol)
but another thing is that on the htc website it says that the aus verson (T9193) of hd2 uses "Australia: 850/2100 MHz" i donno if the info is wrong or what...
Also T-mobile and [HD2 US(from PDAdb)comming soon] have 576Mib of Ram which is 100 something more then T8585
So i guess i will get the T8585(Will get that in HK)
Haha and i really like how Phark quote *visiting* USA...but i am really going there Haha
Thanks again Phark and also thanks gamecore
STHD said:
ok thanks Phark that really help me out working out the issues
just to point something out from Phark post
T8585 Should be T9193/T-mobile verson
Telstra AU, USA (most), Japan (I think)
3G/UMTS, 850/1900MHz
HSDPA, 850/1900MHz
not picking on you (Phark) but just want to make sure everyone gets it or else it will be confusing (am i right?lol)
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Ooops! Copy & Paste error ;-) Thanks, have edited my post.
STHD said:
but another thing is that on the htc website it says that the aus verson (T9193) of hd2 uses "Australia: 850/2100 MHz" i donno if the info is wrong or what...
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Unsure about that one, sorry. Everything I've read (up 'till now!) suggests that the T9193 was 850/1900 - *Do* take HTC's word over mine though, you can always claim false advertising against them ;-)
STHD said:
Also T-mobile and [HD2 US(from PDAdb)comming soon] have 576Mib of Ram which is 100 something more then T8585
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The T8585 *does* have 576MB of RAM, enabled via most ROM Chefs. I'm unsure of the technical changes to enable this, but I've just (double) checked my T8585 HD2 from HK, and it says: "RAM: 576MB; Flash Size: 512MB"
STHD said:
Haha and i really like how Phark quote *visiting* USA...but i am really going there Haha
Thanks again Phark and also thanks gamecore
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LOL, I meant "visiting" in the sense that you weren't moving there permanently ;-)
Glad I could help. Have a safe trip, and good luck buying your phone in HK!
Phrak
Oh so you brought your phone from HK too? is that through the internet?
Or Do you have a shop that you recommend?(cos i know they sell phones everywhere) i live near mongkok and they have a whole street which sell phones
Thanks anyway
hd2 telstra t9193 - Vodafone Australia
Hey Phrak,
This is the cab i used for geting the extra bands
http://htcpedia.com/forum/showpost.php?p=57342&postcount=6
is this the correct band for Vodafone Australia?
UMTS(900+2100)+GSM(900+1800)
If not what should it say???
Is there a hardware difference that the t9193 will not have the correct data connection? Or is it just software?
Interesting CAB - I've just found the same software built into the latest ENERGY ROM I've flashed to my Leo.
More research is needed methinks. I'm more than prepared to be proven wrong on the T9193 supported bands.
btw..i did read alot on the other forums about this..but nothing as bad
hi everybody, a friend of mine got a us tmobile version of the hd2 after he saw how cool my european hd2 is. (switched from an iphone )
so..we get no reception anytime the phone is inside a building...have to run on the balcony to make a call. outside it can get full signal but as soon as you enter building..NOTHING!
i flashed all possible radios and several different roms with ABSOLUTELY NO IMPROVEMENT.
switched different carriers..tried bell and fido which use different networks.
oh..and btw...when i put the tmous and european version side by side..one gets no signal and the other one..full bars.
also tried android :S..still nothing
i`m really out of ideas..should we send it back??
you might want to unlock the t-mo version 1st, but a better question; where are you using them?
it`s been already unlocked..using it in montreal canada on two of our major networks..fido and telus..which work really well on my european version
mikgangal said:
it`s been already unlocked..using it in montreal canada on two of our major networks..fido and telus..which work really well on my european version
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Telus isn't GSM... it's CDMA
It should work on fido, I was using it with my T-mo HD2 in Ontario.
Try disabling/enabling 3G. Also, try to get a newer sim card from fido. (try a friend's first)
But I think the problems comes from the frequency bands...
Fido/Rogers use the 1900/850 Band. The american phones usually are compatible with the 850 only. (I think) the T-mo HD2 has the 1800 and 850 bands.
So you might have a weak signals indoors because of that. Try rogers network, you might get better coverage.
Also, did you try swapping the sim cards between the 2 HD2s?
Metallic-Force said:
Telus isn't GSM... it's CDMA
It should work on fido, I was using it with my T-mo HD2 in Ontario.
Try disabling/enabling 3G. Also, try to get a newer sim card from fido. (try a friend's first)
But I think the problems comes from the frequency bands...
Fido/Rogers use the 1900/850 Band. The american phones usually are compatible with the 850 only. (I think) the T-mo HD2 has the 1800 and 850 bands.
So you might have a weak signals indoors because of that. Try rogers network, you might get better coverage.
Also, did you try swapping the sim cards between the 2 HD2s?
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i already tried swapping the sim cards between the two phones..same results in all the locations. and my friend`s sim card is brand new...:S
as much for the band...well..i do get full bars outside..i don`t really get what`s wrong
anybody has any other clues?
tnx alot
anybody has any ideas?
Hi All
I have recently moved to Canada with my UK HTC HD2.
Since moving here I have changed my phone provider to Fido (Rogers Network). Internet seems extremely slow compared to my UK provider.
Someone told me that because I have a UK phone it is not using the correct bands for HSPA and that's why my internet access is so slow. Internet access is extremely fast on Wi-Fi so I know it's not a problem with the ROM etc.
Can anyone give me any ideas if this sounds correct - do I need to sell my UK HTC HD2 and purchase an American one to get over this problem?
Thanks
I think your friend is correct.
Rogers uses 850Mhz and 1900 Mhz, while in the
United Kingdom the bands used are 800Mhz and 1800Mhz (and some 2100Mhz),
Your UK HD2 is of European configuration, and should be able to cope with the Rogers frequencies. (See)
Your phone uses 900 - 2100 for 3G
Rogers provides it at 850 - 1900 , therefore your phone will slow down to GPRS speeds.
Have you tried flashing a new radio ROM?
If so, perhaps you should try another one.
At least in theory you could keep your phone and have mobile broadband.
What your friend is telling is true for dual band phones, however the HD2 is quad band..... Perhaps contact your provider (sometimes the dataplan has not been correctly activated, therefore access to mobile broadband is denied, and you will revert to the low GSM data band)
Otherwise contact HTC.
PS: Sorry for my ****-up
the t8585 (regular hd2) uses 900 and 2100 for 3g.
source
thats why canadian users with cash to splash go for the australian telstra model which uses 850/2100
You will only get GPRS and edge speeds, and no, the american wont get 3g either.
Yep....
I's official, I am cross-eyed, got the correct info, but wrong interpretation.
I stand corrected.
Thanks to both of you for the response .... I'm a little confused though!
So if I bought a T-Mobile USA model - that wouldn't give me 3G on the Rogers network I'm on? I have to buy an Australian Telstra model to get 3G?
Thanks!
*EDIT* ... Oh I think I get it now... I don't need to have the 850 and 1900 bands to use 3G on the Rogers network so long as I have one or the other - correct me if I am wrong please?
yea thats it, and the US hd2 has 1700/2100 which is why that one doesnt get 3g on rogers.
I get ya! Thanks for that.... so is Canada the only country that uses 1900? I'm asking because I now know that I can buy an Australian phone to suit the 850 but is there another country's phone apart from Canada that will use the 1900 band?
also I noticed something in my phone settings....there's an option to change my base band so I have selected 850/1900 GSM but it doesn't seem to have made a great deal of difference even after a reset
that's gsm, (calls, gprs and edge) nothing to do with the umts bands.
put umts bands into google, theres a Wikipedia page tells you what countries and networks use what bands.