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Sprint better buy clearwire out...not looking good

http://phandroid.com/2011/04/14/analyst-sprint-must-buy-clearwire-or-move-on-without-them/
I agree I've had a 4g device for almost a year now with 4g not even driving distance away...I have to travel about a little over an hour, maybe a little more, to get 4g in the city, they got to do something or have a backup plan...I don't think the kyoceras working...

I though it was Sprint's plan to move on without them? I read an article a couple weeks ago that a bunch of Sprint execs had resigned from Clearwire's board. This was just before they announced (or at least rumors began) of moving to LTE.

Doesn't surprise me that Verizon will have their 4g reaching more customers in 1 year than we have now.. I love Sprint, but, they are behind at&t/verizon for a reason.
I have had an EVO since launch and only used 4g on a brief trip out of town. It now looks like I will be upgrading to another phone without ever really using 4g on my EVO. That's sad.

I guess people thought VZW was lying when they said they'd have their entire 3G network covered with LTE by 2013.

Same here. On a trip to pa I used in pa in a certain spot for about 5 minutes
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Doesn't surprise me that Verizon will have their 4g reaching more customers in 1 year than we have now.. I love Sprint, but, they are behind at&t/verizon for a reason.
I have had an EVO since launch and only used 4g on a brief trip out of town. It now looks like I will be upgrading to another phone without ever really using 4g on my EVO. That's sad.
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its not that big of a deal
Clear has been having LTE tests in AZ and the wimax equipment as I understand it will be super easy to upgrade to LTE - then sprint releases the LTE devices and BOOM LTE is everywhere that WIMax Was..
http://www.clear.com/blog/size-matters/

sprint always tries to bring new tech first...
but always seem to fail in the follow through.

What spectrum was that phoenix testing done on? 2400mhz??
What speeds does Wimax have when there's only 1 user on it?
That video seems very promising considering how those speeds were faster than my Uverse.

slag02 said:
its not that big of a deal
Clear has been having LTE tests in AZ and the wimax equipment as I understand it will be super easy to upgrade to LTE - then sprint releases the LTE devices and BOOM LTE is everywhere that WIMax Was..
http://www.clear.com/blog/size-matters/
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That's part of the problem - there isn't much coverage and where there is coverage, quite frankly it sucks. I live in Houston and leave 4g off because the coverage is so spotty.

iitreatedii said:
http://phandroid.com/2011/04/14/analyst-sprint-must-buy-clearwire-or-move-on-without-them/
I agree I've had a 4g device for almost a year now with 4g not even driving distance away...I have to travel about a little over an hour, maybe a little more, to get 4g in the city, they got to do something or have a backup plan...I don't think the kyoceras working...
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What's up with you and the kyocera posts?
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Lol idk I just feel they had a good idea but it wasn't the right hardware to put out with it, you see my point, I will definitely give it a chance but my opinion is no as of right now, I'm just gonna have to wait

I would rather have the expanded backend like T-Mobile has, where a normal 3g phone will pull down 5mbps. 21 mbps down is nice but what would I need that bandwidth on a phone. Embedded in a laptop nice, used in the middle of the country where alot of.people don't even have internet access that would be amazing
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After Tmobiles new plan trotting after 2gb of use, I could care less about 4g as long as I'm not throttled. I could eat 2 gigs in a day if there's enough music to download.
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It is almost embarrassing how many people have not gotten to use their 4g on their Evo. I went to San Diego from Phoenix and I still wasn't even able to find any 4g connection. I've really enjoyed the rom experience with the Evo, but I was really looking forward to the 4g stuff.

Luckily bay area has 4g. It is amazing how just a few years ago dsl was screaming fast now my phone can blow it away.

I'll be another upgrading to an evo3d without ever really using 4g on my htc evo......4G!
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BrianDigital said:
I would rather have the expanded backend like T-Mobile has, where a normal 3g phone will pull down 5mbps. 21 mbps down is nice but what would I need that bandwidth on a phone. Embedded in a laptop nice, used in the middle of the country where alot of.people don't even have internet access that would be amazing
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I agree with this, in my area Sprint consistently pulls about 200-400 kbps down on 3G. A friend with VZW showed me his 3G speed test results - routinely around 1500-1700. If I had speeds like that, I wouldn't ever even want or need 4G.
I like Sprint, but man their 3G is very disappointing. During lunch hour on weekdays, I've seen it drop to nearly 50 kbps. It makes me yearn for the days of blazing fast dialup modems... :/

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I agree with this, in my area Sprint consistently pulls about 200-400 kbps down on 3G. A friend with VZW showed me his 3G speed test results - routinely around 1500-1700. If I had speeds like that, I wouldn't ever even want or need 4G.
I like Sprint, but man their 3G is very disappointing. During lunch hour on weekdays, I've seen it drop to nearly 50 kbps. It makes me yearn for the days of blazing fast dialup modems... :/
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This is what I used to say about T-Mobile where I live in Utah. I average what your friend is getting on Verizon with Sprint's 3G network here.
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And with a really weak 4G signal:
Further north 4G I can hit up to 6,000-7,000. Not that I ever use it.
EDIT: Interesting that the upload speeds were the same lol

ffolkes said:
I agree with this, in my area Sprint consistently pulls about 200-400 kbps down on 3G. A friend with VZW showed me his 3G speed test results - routinely around 1500-1700. If I had speeds like that, I wouldn't ever even want or need 4G.
I like Sprint, but man their 3G is very disappointing. During lunch hour on weekdays, I've seen it drop to nearly 50 kbps. It makes me yearn for the days of blazing fast dialup modems... :/
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Sprint in my area is fine. Holds around 1mpbs so not to bad. However Verizon in this area kinda sucks cause there is so many people on it. Two of my friends had to tether to me while tailgating just to get some.bets off
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They are saying they will have 4g in my area by the end of the year ... I will believe it when I see it lol

T-Mobile 4G speeds on G2

as we all probably went through, @ the beginning of launch of the G2, network speeds were terrible however I notice it has gotten much better (I get around 7-8mbps on average in the same area I use to get 1-2mbps when launched), what are your average 4G speeds now and how do you compare them with your initials speeds when the phone was launched?
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Mines the opposite, I used to get like 4-8 but now its in the low 1-3m. Idk might just be using it the wrong time
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ayeitschris said:
Mines the opposite, I used to get like 4-8 but now its in the low 1-3m. Idk might just be using it the wrong time
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Wow thats not good
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ayeitschris said:
Mines the opposite, I used to get like 4-8 but now its in the low 1-3m. Idk might just be using it the wrong time
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Mine is acting the same way. I was getting 5-7. Now I'm lucky to see 1-1.5.

Richard1510 said:
Mine is acting the same way. I was getting 5-7. Now I'm lucky to see 1-1.5.
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What state you guys live in?
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Have you efs wiped lately? Not sure where the superwipe and efs wipe topics went but I have them if anyone needs them.
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The best I've seen is 4.6 and that's a good 30 miles from my house.

It's evened out for me since launch. I would get like 480kbps at work and like 8mbps at home, and now I'm getting like 1.2mbps at work and around 6mbps at home. Elsewhere things have improved too, especially in the downtown Orlando area, where I easily pull 7mbps all the time, and more areas are getting to be like this too.

Gwanatu said:
It's evened out for me since launch. I would get like 480kbps at work and like 8mbps at home, and now I'm getting like 1.2mbps at work and around 6mbps at home. Elsewhere things have improved too, especially in the downtown Orlando area, where I easily pull 7mbps all the time, and more areas are getting to be like this too.
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Idk what's going on in FL but you really see them high numbers, the average speeds where I got 8-9 and it was in tampa
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My wife inherited my old 3G Vibrant, while i'm sporting my T-Mobile G2. It seems my wife and I are on the same 3G speeds. I'm wondering, since I'm not paying that extra $10/month for 4G, am I not getting REAL 4G???
I always thought since my phone supports 4G, i'll be getting 4G speeds. But, it's clear that i'm not..
I have a 'rooted' stock rom, waiting for the next Cyrogenmod stable release, so I can play my Netflix shows smoothly.

lawalty said:
My wife inherited my old 3G Vibrant, while i'm sporting my T-Mobile G2. It seems my wife and I are on the same 3G speeds. I'm wondering, since I'm not paying that extra $10/month for 4G, am I not getting REAL 4G???
I always thought since my phone supports 4G, i'll be getting 4G speeds. But, it's clear that i'm not..
I have a 'rooted' stock rom, waiting for the next Cyrogenmod stable release, so I can play my Netflix shows smoothly.
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no one on t-mobile pays extra for 4G.

lawalty said:
My wife inherited my old 3G Vibrant, while i'm sporting my T-Mobile G2. It seems my wife and I are on the same 3G speeds. I'm wondering, since I'm not paying that extra $10/month for 4G, am I not getting REAL 4G???
I always thought since my phone supports 4G, i'll be getting 4G speeds. But, it's clear that i'm not..
I have a 'rooted' stock rom, waiting for the next Cyrogenmod stable release, so I can play my Netflix shows smoothly.
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What are your speeds with the 3G sim card?
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androidfeen809 said:
What are your speeds with the 3G sim card?
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i don't know. I didn't know that there was a '3G sim card'. It was my Vibrant until i gave it to my wife. I've been with t-monglol (incorrect spelling is on purpose) for about 10 years, and it seems i've gotten a new sim card in the mail about 5 years ago. Maybe I need to have the official updated 4G sim card? I'll probably need to spend that additional $10/month for to get 4G speeds.
I guess to achieve the detailed stats on out download and upload speeds, i'll have to download an app to measure it. But, it just seems my wife and I are the sames speeds. When I download a rom (90mbs+) it takes the same time on both phones.

lawalty said:
i don't know. I didn't know that there was a '3G sim card'. It was my Vibrant until i gave it to my wife. I've been with t-monglol (incorrect spelling is on purpose) for about 10 years, and it seems i've gotten a new sim card in the mail about 5 years ago. Maybe I need to have the official updated 4G sim card? I'll probably need to spend that additional $10/month for to get 4G speeds.
I guess to achieve the detailed stats on out download and upload speeds, i'll have to download an app to measure it. But, it just seems my wife and I are the sames speeds. When I download a rom (90mbs+) it takes the same time on both phones.
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Yea go ahead and tell us what you get on. Speedtest.net app
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In Portland Oregon getting average 8 mbps, to the guy who's on the rooted stock rom.
I rooted and am using the latest nightly on CM7, something I had to do though was flash a new radio, before I could never get past 3G and was always at .5 - 1.5 mbps. Flashed the new radio and consistent 4G speeds, average 7.5 mbps.
EDIT: http://wiki.cyanogenmod.com/index.php?title=Support_Downloads#HTC_Vision

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Have you efs wiped lately? Not sure where the superwipe and efs wipe topics went but I have them if anyone needs them.
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I thought this just helped with GPS or something? It effects data speeds as well?

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what are running? i currently have 26.03.02.26 on CM7
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26.08.04.30

androidfeen809 said:
What state you guys live in?
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I live in Michigan.

Richard1510 said:
I live in Michigan.
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The closer you are to the cities, the better the signal is.
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Portland, OR here
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seems like my speeds are increasing slowly day by day....

LTE Speeds on AT&T

Check out these speeds on AT&T's LTE. What does Verizon have on that?
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I'm an AT&T customer and I will even say Verizon been had that beat.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5AGEj7ftK4&feature=related

Good god that 4G LTE logo is ugly.
edit:for the record, I don't like verizon's either.

Come on. You mean to tell me that the Verizon "Data Card" bownloading at 50Mbps beats a phone downloading at 40Mbps. Look at the upload. Nowhere even close. NYC has DAS units all over. I'm not on NYC and you can't argue the upload. I can find a spot to show 50 if you want but I just did a random test and got these results. Just thought I'd share. Again. This is on a phone. Not a dedicated data card.
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I'm an AT&T customer and I will even say Verizon been had that beat.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5AGEj7ftK4&feature=related
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Regardless of which is better or not, I'm glad at&t is finally rolling out LTE.
I don't expect you to be able to answer these questions, but is the device you're using coming out before the end of the year and do you know if at&t plans to offer unlimited LTE data for a short period like verizon did?

Question - why does anyone give a crap? What good is that 40 Mbps doing you. Nothing on the phone will ever make use of that. Even if you are tethering to a computer it isn't nearly as useful as those speeds would be on a home broadband connection due to the data caps. At 40 Mbps you would go through a full month's 4 GB tethering package data allotment in about 13 minutes! What a joke.

considering this is on a fairly loaded network that is running in well over 5 cities I'd say its pretty good :-D

Question - HOW DID YOU GET AN LTE PHONE ON AT&T?
Also, nice speeds, obviously Verizon's LTE is going to get much better speeds when they've had time to get enough backhaul to all the LTE towers, just give AT&T some time, just like the time Verizon has had.

wow
amazing speeds you get there, I don't even get close

Great question. We all would like to know that one
Longcat14 said:
Question - HOW DID YOU GET AN LTE PHONE ON AT&T?
Also, nice speeds, obviously Verizon's LTE is going to get much better speeds when they've had time to get enough backhaul to all the LTE towers, just give AT&T some time, just like the time Verizon has had.
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I can't tell you how I got the phone but rest assured they are coming. Once the backhaul gets updated across the board everyone will see better speeds even with the 4G (HSPA+) devices. I'm not 100% sure how the data plans are going to work but I'm sure they will be capped higher than 2Gb. They will have to be capped somewhere or else everyone will use bandwidth all the time taking it away from other users.
That's all I know for now.
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I can't tell you how I got the phone but rest assured they are coming. Once the backhaul gets updated across the board everyone will see better speeds even with the 4G (HSPA+) devices. I'm not 100% sure how the data plans are going to work but I'm sure they will be capped higher than 2Gb. They will have to be capped somewhere or else everyone will use bandwidth all the time taking it away from other users.
That's all I know for now.
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Alright, that's fine that you can't tell us, don't mind.
But just tell me, are we going to see LTE phones anytime soon, and if AT&T wants to speed up HSPA+ devices, they need to turn on 64QAM.
^relay that one to them for me.

VERY impressive but like verizon and sprint 4g once there's a lot of people on it the speeds drop.
But thing is all I see is a much faster way to get to the 2gb cap.
Verizon 4g is 2gb right?

donsh00tmesanta said:
VERY impressive but like verizon and sprint 4g once there's a lot of people on it the speeds drop.
But thing is all I see is a much faster way to get to the 2gb cap.
Verizon 4g is 2gb right?
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Lowest for Verizon is 2GB.
But the guy said they would raise the caps... I have unlimited data, so I hope I get that on LTE also...

Need I say more Mr Verizon sees 50 Mbps?
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Check out these speeds on AT&T's LTE. What does Verizon have on that?
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Holy crap, is that for real?
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donsh00tmesanta said:
VERY impressive but like verizon and sprint 4g once there's a lot of people on it the speeds drop.
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Agreed.
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I'm not saying that you will see a drop in speeds once everyone jumps on the bandwagon but what would you ever need speeds like that for anyway? Streaming movies? Hah. Maybe if your downloading one and don't want to wait or don't have wifi at home. Anyway, there are just a lot of new and exciting things happening with the AT&T network and the difference will or should already be seen by most of you now or in the near future.
Not only the network but the devices are getting better and better IMO (really unbiassed) I think AT&T has the better devices hands down.
For all those who asked. I can not say how I have an LTE device but they are sure to impress everyone once released.
Till next time.
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I'm not saying that you will see a drop in speeds once everyone jumps on the bandwagon but what would you ever need speeds like that for anyway? Streaming movies? Hah. Maybe if your downloading one and don't want to wait or don't have wifi at home. Anyway, there are just a lot of new and exciting things happening with the AT&T network and the difference will or should already be seen by most of you now or in the near future.
Not only the network but the devices are getting better and better IMO (really unbiassed) I think AT&T has the better devices hands down.
For all those who asked. I can not say how I have an LTE device but they are sure to impress everyone once released.
Till next time.
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Of course speeds will go down with traffic, we just don't know how much.
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SGH-i727 Galaxy Nexus II LTE? Wish the At&t/Tmo merger goes through and we get the Galaxy Nexus LTE version. I have two upgrades and want something new for Christmas. LOL.

Throtting

So there isn't really any definitive answer, so i'm making topic on it: DOES SPRINT THROTTLE?
I know they say they don't throttle, but myself and a number of friends have noticed a big drop in data speed the more we use. So what does everyone else think?
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No, they don't throttle.
myself and a number of friends have noticed a big drop in data speed the more we use.
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HAHA welcome to the "Now Network". Sprint=dial-up speeds. Myself, or my 3 friends on Sprint, haven't gotten above 100kbps since last October. It happens everywhere I travel too. Well, except between 2am and 4am, then it works perfectly fine, when everyone else is asleep.

It seems to me like they do during the day. My 3g is not near as fast as it used to be during the day. It wasnt a gradual decrease. More like a sudden. While my connection at my house still pulls 1.0-1.3mbps at my house during the day, I used to get 2+mbps there during the day. Now I don't get that speed til 1-5am. You're probably thinking "wtf are you *****ing about?!" Cuz it is very fast at my house. ****ty part is that everywhere else its nowhere near 1.0mbps. More like 0.2-0.4. And I'm NEVER home. That's the problem. Oh well. Its either live with it or go pay $40-50 more to get raped by verizon.
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Mine used to be around 3Mb/s on 3g, that was when I first got my contract. It seems the more I tethered and used more and more data the slower it got. yestursay I got .25 mb/s! Flashed radios this morning and i'm up to 1.
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It seems to me like they do during the day.
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No, they don't throttle during the day, they dont throttle at all. The reason your speeds are crappy during the day is because there are too many people using it during the day, and each tower's crappy T1 line backhaul can't handle more than a few MB/s total for everyone connected to it.

Darn you other sprint users i'm my area, turn your 3g off!
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One thing that we all have to remember is that sprint subcontracts its network to other providers (virgin, republic, boost...) And all their customers uses our network as well.
Think about it, Verizon really doesn't lend their network, that's why you pay higher prices, because you have their full resource.
We pay lower prices but we have to share...
Just a thought...
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One thing that we all have to remember is that sprint subcontracts its network to other providers (virgin, republic, boost...) And all their customers uses our network as well.
Think about it, Verizon really doesn't lend their network, that's why you pay higher prices, because you have their full resource.
We pay lower prices but we have to share...
Just a thought...
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Please don't talk about things you know nothing of. Verizon has MVNOs just as Sprint does.

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DOES SPRINT THROTTLE?
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No it is just naturally slow. I guess you could say it comes "pre-throttled"
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Unfortunately I did not take screen shotts to back this up, so fwiw.....
I have been throttled while on 4g. It was not a signal issue, peak use/time thing, straight up throttled. Long story short- My desktop got fried several days back. Replaced it, had to start from scratch software wise.
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That screen shot is for Nov.3 - 11th. Right towards the end of a 5.2gig d/l (cs5.5 master collection) My 4g speeds here @ home avg 17-2300kbs on a bad day. While going through pdanet I realize 3-500kbs @ the desktop. @ about 5030 MB my d/l speeds sank to 39 kbs have been stuck there since. Called sprint they said my data usage is "suspect" and will be monitored untill my next billing cycle.
So keep it under 9 gigs a day kids.. they WILL throttle you.
I pay for the hotspots btw.
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Unfortunately I did not take screen shotts to back this up, so fwiw.....
I have been throttled while on 4g. It was not a signal issue, peak use/time thing, straight up throttled. Long story short- My desktop got fried several days back. Replaced it, had to start from scratch software wise.
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That screen shot is for Nov.3 - 11th. Right towards the end of a 5.2gig d/l (cs5.5 master collection) My 4g speeds here @ home avg 17-2300kbs on a bad day. While going through pdanet I realize 3-500kbs @ the desktop. @ about 5030 MB my d/l speeds sank to 39 kbs have been stuck there since. Called sprint they said my data usage is "suspect" and will be monitored untill my next billing cycle.
So keep it under 9 gigs a day kids.. they WILL throttle you.
I pay for the hotspots btw.
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Paid hotspots are now limited to 5gb data per month did ya not get the notice? After 5gb hotspot ur either throttled or paying per mb FYI
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I live in the middle of nowhere I share a Sprint tower with maybe 20 houses that are within its range I get anywhere from 1 - 3 mbps dl and close to 1 mbps up on 3g. I use an assload of data anywhere from 15 - 50 gb a month on my line alone. We have 5 lines and a data card between us we use the 5 gb of the data card as the only other option for internet is dial up or satellite and the phones we have hit about 200gb of data between the 5 phones and Sprint has never said **** about it. Although we have been on Sprint since god knows when I've been on Sprint for 13 yrs but my dad was on this account for 5 or 6 yrs b4 that. I remember having sprints old red logo on my phones and going thru the Nextel merger. Hell I gotta box with some really old Sprint phones going back to a startac my first ever Sprint phone was one of those cool old Nokias u could swap the face plate on lol
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Deathsnuggle said:
So there isn't really any definitive answer, so i'm making topic on it: DOES SPRINT THROTTLE?
I know they say they don't throttle, but myself and a number of friends have noticed a big drop in data speed the more we use. So what does everyone else think?
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The short answer is, "It depends."
I am well versed in the 4G arena, not so much 3g/EVDO.
When you discuss Sprint's 4G network, you are really discussing the re-branding and re-selling of Clearwire's Wimax network. Any discussion of Clearwire's Wimax must include an understanding of N.I.M.S., which stands for, Network Integrity Management System. That's code for THROTTLING!!
In a nutshell, Clear directly, and through its wholesale distributors, continues to sell more bandwidth than it has available to deliver. During periods of low demand, all is well. During times of high demand, N.I.M.S. automatically kicks in. A quick Google search of Clearwire N.I.M.S. should provide the triggers and effects.
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/...-overextending-coverage-to-lure-customers.ars
http://www.geekwire.com/2011/clearwire-boosts-wholesale-subscriber-count-headwinds-mount
To parse Sprint's claim that they do not throttle is easy. They don't; Clear does it for them.

tmwilsoniv said:
The short answer is, "It depends."
I am well versed in the 4G arena, not so much 3g/EVDO.
When you discuss Sprint's 4G network, you are really discussing the re-branding and re-selling of Clearwire's Wimax network. Any discussion of Clearwire's Wimax must include an understanding of N.I.M.S., which stands for, Network Integrity Management System. That's code for THROTTLING!!
In a nutshell, Clear directly, and through its wholesale distributors, continues to sell more bandwidth than it has available to deliver. During periods of low demand, all is well. During times of high demand, N.I.M.S. automatically kicks in. A quick Google search of Clearwire N.I.M.S. should provide the triggers and effects.
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/...-overextending-coverage-to-lure-customers.ars
http://www.geekwire.com/2011/clearwire-boosts-wholesale-subscriber-count-headwinds-mount
To parse Sprint's claim that they do not throttle is easy. They don't; Clear does it for them.
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Thanks for the explanation. Makes sense now, how I get throttled living in a city of 600k, but someone out in a rural area remains untouched. It's all good tho, just discovered a new open wifi here in the neighborhood... lol
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-EViL-KoNCEPTz- said:
I live in the middle of nowhere I share a Sprint tower with maybe 20 houses that are within its range I get anywhere from 1 - 3 mbps dl and close to 1 mbps up on 3g. I use an assload of data anywhere from 15 - 50 gb a month on my line alone. We have 5 lines and a data card between us we use the 5 gb of the data card as the only other option for internet is dial up or satellite and the phones we have hit about 200gb of data between the 5 phones and Sprint has never said **** about it. Although we have been on Sprint since god knows when I've been on Sprint for 13 yrs but my dad was on this account for 5 or 6 yrs b4 that. I remember having sprints old red logo on my phones and going thru the Nextel merger. Hell I gotta box with some really old Sprint phones going back to a startac my first ever Sprint phone was one of those cool old Nokias u could swap the face plate on lol
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Ha! I had one of those Nokias, but my first real cell phone was an Oki 910. Before that it was a Motorola bag phone, still have that old beast in storage some where.. Just bought some new boots, the box would fit in the "bag" lol
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I'm thinking of dropping AT&T for T-mobile how is LTE coverage in L.I./NYC?

I'm thinking of dropping att for t-mobile. Any one in long island/NYC think this is a good choice? How is your LTE coverage and overall experience in New York?
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You could check the coverage maps online
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I did and according to them everything is excellent of course. I'm looking for some real world experience and advice from anyone who has switched. I may try it for a month and see. I just have 10 days or so before I can terminate my contract or else I'm stuck for 2 years.
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mrbungle999 said:
I did and according to them everything is excellent of course. I'm looking for some real world experience and advice from anyone who has switched. I may try it for a month and see. I just have 10 days or so before I can terminate my contract or else I'm stuck for 2 years.
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From what I hear (and have witnessed) T-Mobile is very good in many cases better than AT&T/Verizon in major cities due to site density (spacing between towers). However, outside major cities and a lot of highways between them is only 2G (Edge) or no connection at all. If you're going postpaid - AT&T does have some roaming agreements with T-Mobile that the online maps will show coverage for.

I'm with T-Mobile in Palm Beach Florida and were moving to Manhattan in two weeks, I've been enjoying 30mps LTE here no matter where I travel in the 3 counties around. I would imagine NYC and its boroughs being the epicenter of all phone releases as well as a testing and proving ground for all tech would be the best place to get premier coverage, anyway I hope that's the case. I'm only concerned about the city myself and I've been told that not only should I get the same results but they are upgrading their LTE in several cities, NY being one of them and the speeds will be bumped up to over 60mps down and over 15mps up.
I was previously with Sprint and I couldn't even get a data connection with them half the time, luckily I had great speeds in my house but just a mile away nada and that was the case all over, talking here in Palm Beach now.
One thing T-mobile told me was to keep data roaming on, this had nothing to do with spotty coverage, they were trouble shooting my daughter's iPhone 5 with me that they ended up replacing but she said there are no roaming fees and to keep roaming on for data and voice. Also no throttling on your unlimited data on the higher plan, its 10 dollars more. I get like 4.5 gigs for tethering with it but I do way more than that and I didn't want it throttled, I use a little trick so my tethering appears to be regular data usage to them. Sprint never said anything either about my astronomical data usage, I wouldn't know about the others. I probably use close to 2 hundred gigs a month tethering not counting not tethered.
This screenshot is one day of tethering usage.
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Damn. What are you doing with all that data? Downloading the Pentagon database? Lol
I wonder if they would let me test drive with a SIM for a week. I am mostly in long island but travel to the city often. I have 1 friend who had t-mobile but he didn't even know how to open his browser so.....he just said it worked ok so Idk. Everyone here is on att or Verizon so that might be a clue.
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mrbungle999 said:
Damn. What are you doing with all that data? Downloading the Pentagon database? Lol
I wonder if they would let me test drive with a SIM for a week. I am mostly in long island but travel to the city often. I have 1 friend who had t-mobile but he didn't even know how to open his browser so.....he just said it worked ok so Idk. Everyone here is on att or Verizon so that might be a clue.
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There are no contracts with Tmo so you can easily try it out. You would need an AWS compatible phone to try their network. What is the return period in NY for phones? CA has a 30 day return period, you should be able to test it at least a week and return the phone if it doesn't work.
I have a friend in Manhattan who has not tried T-Mobile even though I've tried to get him to. He ditched AT&T for Verizon and found it to be just as bad as AT&T in the city. Too many people he says, so LTE speeds can be pretty bad. He's going back to AT&T because they are cheaper and at least when there's no LTE he can fall back on HSPA vs EVDO.
When I was in NYC in May, I had my Nexus 4 with me and I don't remember having any issues at all. At JFK I know my BF's AT&T iPhone had unusable data, so I turned my hotspot on for him to use. I don't remember how much LTE I saw, but back in May, NYC was not an official LTE market.
You will probably find that T-Mobile also has issues, they all have a limited amount of spectrum, but at least with T-Mobile you won't be paying as much, and when you have good data you can use as much as you want.
Between San Diego and LA, I get some odd Edge only spots but most of the time I have at least HSPA+ which is usually very good, and LTE is being turned on everywhere and I can usually get 30 mbps down and 10 mbps up. Works great for me, and I use between 10-15 GB per month with no tethering.

Spent a week in LIC, traveled to Brooklyn, West Side, SoHo (LTE was in and out here), Manhattan all with no problems, had full LTE everywhere... no dropped calls or anything. Dull note, my Nexus 4 had modded radios for LTE.

I'm in port Jeff/Setauket, I gotta go like past hauppague to get LTE
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You can try tmo for14 days and still get a refund
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I've talked to a couple of people out here and they weren't too happy with the coverage and they ended up switching back to v and att. I think I will take your advice and try it for a week and see. I have till the 12th to figure it out.
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