Just wanted to start a thread to point out my dismay with all the 2.2 or higher ROMS for the xperia. While I appreciate the work of the devs, it seems that the ROMS keep coming and they all have the same problem, over and over again. The camera is possibly the best feature of the X10, and when a 3rd party app as simple as barcode scanner does not work the phone is not nearly as useful as it could be. Video recording and camera are not essential parts of a "phone", but they are basic features of virtually every smartphone.
To the devs, get the camera working and you will truly have something special. Until then, these ROMS are all incomplete.
Also, please do not post about market alternatives like vignette or videocam illusion. They don't solve the problem with 3rd party apps that need the camera like goggles or the aforementioned barcode scanner.
I really hope the devs get it together and get the camera working under 2.2 or higher. Until then it is back to 2.1....
bbtheory said:
Just wanted to start a thread to point out my dismay with all the 2.2 or higher ROMS for the xperia. While I appreciate the work of the devs, it seems that the ROMS keep coming and they all have the same problem, over and over again. The camera is possibly the best feature of the X10, and when a 3rd party app as simple as barcode scanner does not work the phone is not nearly as useful as it could be. Video recording and camera are not essential parts of a "phone", but they are basic features of virtually every smartphone.
To the devs, get the camera working and you will truly have something special. Until then, these ROMS are all incomplete.
Also, please do not post about market alternatives like vignette or videocam illusion. They don't solve the problem with 3rd party apps that need the camera like goggles or the aforementioned barcode scanner.
I really hope the devs get it together and get the camera working under 2.2 or higher. Until then it is back to 2.1....
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Ummm...I'm pretty sure they get it. Writing a driver from scratch with all the functionality is not a simple task and pretty useless if they can't get the rest of the phone features to work. Or better yet, how about you learn to write one?
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Ummm...I'm pretty sure they get it. Writing a driver from scratch with all the functionality is not a simple task and pretty useless if they can't get the rest of the phone features to work. Or better yet, how about you learn to write one?
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While your right, the OP still makes a valid point.
Day after day there is a new Rom out and its the same developers doing them. But they all have the same things not working. They aren't actually trying to complete a Rom properly and making then stable but instead they just jump to a new one. Fixing the problems rather than just giving new features would be a better solution going forward and would provide better quality custom Roms.
While I agree with the fact that the devs are great they seem to be putting quantity before quality.
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will.m said:
Ummm...I'm pretty sure they get it. Writing a driver from scratch with all the functionality is not a simple task and pretty useless if they can't get the rest of the phone features to work. Or better yet, how about you learn to write one?
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Good idea but I am not a dev nor do I aspire to be one. I think my point has more to do with the devs who have everything working but the camera, then move on to another ROM again with no working camera. It seems silly and counterproductive to me.
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Good idea but I am not a dev nor do I aspire to be one. I think my point has more to do with the devs who have everything working but the camera, then move on to another ROM again with no working camera. It seems silly and counterproductive to me.
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Can you point me to a rom that has everything working apart from camera? I have tried them all above 2.1 and not one can be classified as fully working apart from camera........
Free x10 has everything but camcorder... Awesome rom imo
i agree, respect to the devs but i need my camera, it's part of a reason i bought this phone and without it it's just not it...
for example Z's beta 4 2.2 is quite complete and over-all very stable and just amazing but it lacks the camera options
8mpx which it supports is OK for now, but what about 720p recording which we all waited for so long, and also i take all my photos at 6mpx with 16:9 aspect ratio, that is also missing, i have little use from 8mpx 4:3...
this is not intended to dissrespect the devs in any way, but pleeeease, if there's any possibility, concentrate a little more on the camera, just a wee bit more
You guys wont get full camera function until the bootloader is cracked plain and simple. Custom kernels have to be created and until the bootloader has cracked there aint no chance of installing them. I myself am using a stripped dwn version of the latest SE firmware with all the tweaks that are available including jit v2, custom build.prop and all the sys.cl tweaks. also the modded camera app which has been modded to improve quality and bitrate of video upto 6000kbps. Im pretty happy with it, and yes it would be great to have a 2.2 rom with a fully working camera but as ive sed bfore until bootloader is cracked than u aint got much choice.
Yeah, this bootloader lock is insane. Keeps devs away from real solutions to simple problems. I also chose X10 because it was the only 8.1 mpixel phone available with Android. Now, it seems we're going to get even better cameras from other manufacturers. Cameras that sure will have the silly capability of recognizing when to turn on the LED, for example.
I'm disappointed in many ways about Sony Ericsson. The only thing I know right now is that they won't have my money anymore.
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To the devs, get the camera working and you will truly have something special. Until then, these ROMS are all incomplete.
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Ohhh.... I bet they didn't know everyone is waiting for full camera functionality... But now that you asked they will get right on it!!
Mods, please delete this useless post....
Apoena - You're right.. it is a useless post.. but the point is accurate.. I'm bored of seeing part finished ROM's being released.. 1 complete ROM would wipe 95% of all of the others aside. It's frustrating. (incidentally, I've not installed any of the custom ROMs for exactly that reason.. I get enough from rooting and tweaking.. at least until there's a complete, commercially stable ROM available.)
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Apoena - You're right.. it is a useless post.. but the point is accurate.. I'm bored of seeing part finished ROM's being released.. 1 complete ROM would wipe 95% of all of the others aside. It's frustrating. (incidentally, I've not installed any of the custom ROMs for exactly that reason.. I get enough from rooting and tweaking.. at least until there's a complete, commercially stable ROM available.)
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Exactly! What is the point of just releasing a new Rom, they all have the same issue with camera, but the only thing different is the look of the UI.
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How many of you free loaders donated to any of the Devs ?
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Ohhh.... I bet they didn't know everyone is waiting for full camera functionality... But now that you asked they will get right on it!!
Mods, please delete this useless post....
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IF they know everyone is waiting for full camera functionality then why do they keep releasing ROM after ROM without it??? I'd rather have one working Cyanogen than three themed ones all with the same problems. It seems the X10 devs all have some sort of ADD, they can't continue to improve one ROM and make it truly spectacular.
The bootloader discussion is most relevant. I agree that cracking it is the key to developing better things for the phone.
WoW...
As a member for almost a year I have remained almost silent, yet have closely followed the software development for this fine piece of hardware, thread by thread, reading and learning a great deal along the way.
The time, effort, and patience of our extremely talented Devs never ceases to amaze and inspire me. I have choices, possibilities, and am able to use the X10
to a much greater potential than would have ever been possible without them.
I have GRATITUDE..... ya read that word. Oh wait, words are wasted on you who can't or won't do what's required to function within this community. Things like... well.... READING ! Then maybe learn something so as to participate in your own development. Seek and find, it works believe me.
Next, maybe shed that sense of entitlement that.... for godsake ... those who
have been around and LISTENED (read) know the difference, know and understand the frikkin camera issue, know where these 'Firmwares' have come from, their limitations, and the skills to develop them, and don't expect miracles or anything overnight.
Seriously, every release is a gift, whether a 'ROM', Custom Firmware, Theme, App.... you name it. What else is a gift ? . . . The help, responses, answers to
your questions.... all FREE !
--Just couldn't keep quiet today
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IF they know everyone is waiting for full camera functionality then why do they keep releasing ROM after ROM without it??? I'd rather have one working Cyanogen than three themed ones all with the same problems. It seems the X10 devs all have some sort of ADD, they can't continue to improve one ROM and make it truly spectacular.
The bootloader discussion is most relevant. I agree that cracking it is the key to developing better things for the phone.
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People who just take already available roms to theme it, tweak it and add some apps on top of it usually don't have the ability to do what J&Z are doing. So don't expect those "Devs" to come up with a working camcorder.
The Devs that you might be able to expect a camcorder from is probably J&Z or T:
J is working on CM7
Z is working on Free X10 2.2
Are they spamming the forum with a bunch of half finished ROM? I don't think so.
unfortunately for you, the camera is not considered a high priorty on a smartphone. the main things are constant internet/data access, emails, phone, etc. playing music is nice and taking pics is cool, but its not the basis of a smartphone.
maybe you should have bought a different phone?
not tryin to be harsh, but i have read from several devs that camera is always a lower priority for them.
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unfortunately for you, the camera is not considered a high priorty on a smartphone. the main things are constant internet/data access, emails, phone, etc. playing music is nice and taking pics is cool, but its not the basis of a smartphone.
maybe you should have bought a different phone?
not tryin to be harsh, but i have read from several devs that camera is always a lower priority for them.
tim.
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You're out of your mind. The x10 had the best camera on the market when it came out, why would someone looking for a good camera smartphone choose something other then the best?
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How many of you free loaders donated to any of the Devs ?
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What's that got anything to do with the argument? This is a free community and we are talking about an open source project. Also I'm not saying that the devs aren't working hard, but how about working together and trying to achieve something worthwhile. Rather than releasing one pointless Rom after another.
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What's that got anything to do with the argument? This is a free community and we are talking about an open source project. Also I'm not saying that the devs aren't working hard, but how about working together and trying to achieve something worthwhile. Rather than releasing one pointless Rom after another.
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Incentive.
The developers are working their ROM's and themes out of their own sense of desire/wonder/interest. If they think they've done something that may be of interest to others they share it. If there's enough interest/donations maybe they'll respond by trying to develop requested features within what they are capable of with the tools currently given.
Clearly there's an audience for it. And for everyone the camera isn't the main sticking point.
"Something worthwhile" is your attempt at belittling their efforts? Its a horrible thing to do. Like music you may not like, others do. Learn to code instead of these "pointless" complaints.
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yes i know the g1 is a basically crap compared to these newer android phones..that doesn't mean devs should just throw it out the window
all most g1 devs do now is wait for a cyanogen rom to come out and then tweek it..
i mean there is nothing wrong with that but it makes the whole point of developing your own stuff pointless. and if im correct the g1 has soo many types on roms that are out there that were just thrown away.
for example: kings espresso rom which is light then the slide rom..everybody is working on the slide one but why isnt anyone trying to work on the espresso rom
and then the froyo roms, jubeh started with one..chiefz said he was making one..they both scarped there roms to wait for cyanogen
jcarrz and the aria rom..he said he would try to make one..a few days later he comes back..uploads the the boot.img and some other files and basically says figure it out
im not dev..and i greatly appreciate the work devs do..and im well aware is not piece of cake..but what happened to the friendly competitiveness that use to be here..what happened to devs making roms to try something different..
p.s. am i the only one who hates the rounded edges on cyanogen mods lol..they make me feel crazy
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yes i know the g1 is a basically crap compared to these newer android phones..that doesn't mean devs should just throw it out the window
all most g1 devs do now is wait for a cyanogen rom to come out and then tweek it..
i mean there is nothing wrong with that but it makes the whole point of developing your own stuff pointless. and if im correct the g1 has soo many types on roms that are out there that were just thrown away.
for example: kings espresso rom which is light then the slide rom..everybody is working on the slide one but why isnt anyone trying to work on the espresso rom
and then the froyo roms, jubeh started with one..chiefz said he was making one..they both scarped there roms to wait for cyanogen
jcarrz and the aria rom..he said he would try to make one..a few days later he comes back..uploads the the boot.img and some other files and basically says figure it out
im not dev..and i greatly appreciate the work devs do..and im well aware is not piece of cake..but what happened to the friendly competitiveness that use to be here..what happened to devs making roms to try something different..
p.s. am i the only one who hates the rounded edges on cyanogen mods lol..they make me feel crazy
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in b4 the haters.
j/k. the g1 is not crap! it just needs 128mb more of ram. also, about the devs..they usually do work on phones that they use themselves, and sadly, more and more devs are upgrading to newer phones.
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in b4 the haters.
j/k. the g1 is not crap! it just needs 128mb more of ram. also, about the devs..they usually do work on phones that they use themselves, and sadly, more and more devs are upgrading to newer phones.
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lol i kno its not crap..i think its the best android phone if only htc would take it seriously & give us a sequel....about the devs most android devs have a g1 because that where they all started and even with that with all the new phones out..the majority is deving for the n1..while we just get many versions of cyanogen mods..
My rom is finished on my end, and it works just as I like it. I just can't be bothered with a community that wants different things, some of which don't make any flippin sense.
I feel CM covers a lot of bases, bloated as it is, but us who rush "tastes" do it exactly for that, a "taste" (sometimes I will finish a rom like I did with Tiny Hero).
I personally lack the knowledge to fix as many things as the CM team does around the clock (and, AFAIK, there's only one of me compared to a team of at least 8 in CM), but there's a satisfaction I get when I finish a rom and all works just as I wanted, without all the extra bloat designed to catter to everyone else.
You're proposing that nobody's doing anything for the dream anymore except for CM. How about you take up the challenge.
Variety went out the window when people started flaunting feature X or hack Y and then the community took it as a given.
I get tired of seeing idiots asking for a2sd hack (which I personally despise), oc'd kernels (which are just placebo), and other things.
All I'm interested in implementing on my roms is root, compcache, iptables for wifi/usb tether, smart cpu scaling, and a lean/fast en-US only rom. I honestly could care less about other locales, features, etc.
You should see how bad it is for iPhone jailbreaks. I own an iPod touch so same community. People will literally harass jailbreakers to make a new one.
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My rom is finished on my end, and it works just as I like it. I just can't be bothered with a community that wants different things, some of which don't make any flippin sense.
I feel CM covers a lot of bases, bloated as it is, but us who rush "tastes" do it exactly for that, a "taste" (sometimes I will finish a rom like I did with Tiny Hero).
I personally lack the knowledge to fix as many things as the CM team does around the clock (and, AFAIK, there's only one of me compared to a team of at least 8 in CM), but there's a satisfaction I get when I finish a rom and all works just as I wanted, without all the extra bloat designed to catter to everyone else.
You're proposing that nobody's doing anything for the dream anymore except for CM. How about you take up the challenge.
Variety went out the window when people started flaunting feature X or hack Y and then the community took it as a given.
I get tired of seeing idiots asking for a2sd hack (which I personally despise), oc'd kernels (which are just placebo), and other things.
All I'm interested in implementing on my roms is root, compcache, iptables for wifi/usb tether, smart cpu scaling, and a lean/fast en-US only rom. I honestly could care less about other locales, features, etc.
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i definitely understand you..cause i just need my phone to work as a phone..no need for overclocking and all that extra crap...personally i dont even have apps on my phone besides google maps & root explorer..and about deving i would but i dont think i have the patience..i mean CM is doing a great job no doubt..
but the thing that bugs me the most about his work are the ROUNDED CORNERS on the top of the screen..I HATE THAT..lol..like that the only thing that prevents me from using his roms..cause it make everything else seem smaller..
can someone explains why there like that..and if they is away to change it..cause i see when ppl make black theme patches it goes back to normal..so would there be away to do that also with the default bar
It is natural progression as the g1 ages developers are going to want to develop for their newer devices..remember they have lives and don't get salaries for their deving.so it's completely reasonable that they wouldn't want to develop for multiple devices. Unless your putting your hand up saying your willling to learn to dev I don't see the point of opening a thread ranting about developers not doing what you seem to beleive is their duty.
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i kinda agree and disagree they have moved on but whoever is still here should try to make other roms bsides bases of cyanogen... there used to be lots of roms from kin but none were finished maybe someone could take his work and complete it or possibly impliment the new things or hacks that have been made now into the old roms it would be great to have some new old roms out that work 100% i know we can have fast sense roms just look at zachs rom that thing is freaking blazing fast for hero 2.1 but i cant hide sim contacts so no go for me...
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It is natural progression as the g1 ages developers are going to want to develop for their newer devices..remember they have lives and don't get salaries for their deving.so it's completely reasonable that they wouldn't want to develop for multiple devices. Unless your putting your hand up saying your willling to learn to dev I don't see the point of opening a thread ranting about developers not doing what you seem to beleive is their duty.
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to rant is to complain about something..im not complaining..im just questioning whats happening to devs that all..and yes im aware with time new phones will be picked up..but what about now at this time..!
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to rant is to complain about something..im not complaining..im just questioning whats happening to devs that all..and yes im aware with time new phones will be picked up..but what about now at this time..!
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Rant was probably to strong a word but yes devs are just moving to other devices. The reason team douche can keep making g1 roms is they have a team working on it as opposed to one person. If u want semi-functional Frankenstein roms you could always check out what kingklick is doing.
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cyan is releasing a good product with lots of features. im just kinda disappointed there aren't more mods available (like music beautification and adw which have become standard in roms)
Now, I appreciate everything that these devs have had to offer. I've tried different Custom Roms (With Core Cell 3 being the most stable I've experienced, outside of the annoying Opera Mamory bug)...Android builds...and all that great efforts you guys Put forth.
I look at all these threads and Roms and see the same thing over and over...bugs...bugs....and more bugs...
The most stable Windows Rom I've truly experience is the stock one...lol...not being a smart a$$ at all. Everything just works. Take a registry editor to it and it's provided the most stable platform with Core Cell 3 a hair away from it.
Now, with Android, I see constant bug reports. I mean, people seem to have a great appreciation for the builds and love them, but it always follows up with a major bug...or even worse...lots of little bugs.
What I don't understand is why don't all you devs get together and build the "XDA" Custom Rom or "XDA" Android build that gets undiveded attention and all resources so to make it truly BUG free? Once that has been accomplished...then we can go ahead and try these test builds and play with them...
Now, I say this with a great deal of respect, having worked with developers before I know how fragile the ego's can be
It's also my experience with those same developers that taught me complete focus of resources surfaced the best result.
I mean, an effort like that is something I would pay...eeerrrrr....donate too.
Android seems to be the future for the HD2, at least I think so...some may have a different opinion...that's cool. But as much as I actually like WinMo 6.5...and WinMO 7 showing signs of being a demo at best on the HD2, Android has a future.
I think it would be a great idea for you guys to focus on one thing at a time until it's at a state you can consider it marketable...not that I'm saying that's what you should do...sell things and all.
I would even think it would be cool to take WinMo 6.5 and change it into something completely different and better than what Microsoft settled for...I always promote making Big Brother look silly with a superior view of their own product.
My point is...no matter what platform or approach...get together on it...I bet the result would be far more productive.
I fear though that this idea...no matter how much sense it makes...will not come to fruition...WHAT THE DEUCE!
Looking forward to your thoughts.
well i came up with this idea http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=902534 and would need a thew devs to work on it,about having our own unoficiall Android Rom,Something wich we can say is our own HD2 rom not direct ports if you know were im coming from and pretty much bug free and stable and fast.i know a thew devs came together to create nand so why not do it to create a rom
Thew?
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Hah, bug free... That's an interesting idea. The last bug free thing I saw was my Nokia 3210. Since then even my microwave ovens get bugs.
The devs do work together for the most part... different problems get solved by different devs, and they credit each other. I think its amazing what they've accomplished. You should be more than happy with how well we have a port working. I never thought it would get as good as it has, especially as quick as it has. Just look at the Raphael or blackstone... they've been working on ports for those devices for years and are nowhere close to where we are, and might never be.
The devs are doing what they can. This is their hobby... they're gonna work on what interests them. You can't expect them to all work on what you want them to... they would lose interest and we wouldn't have so much innovation. Plus a little competition can bring the best out of a person.
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Well most of the bugs in Android are at the kernel level, and there is already a group of developers working on that same piece of software together.
You also have to keep in mind, as other users in this thread have already said, that no software will be without bugs.
I guess...I just know with absolute confidence this idea will work best. Nonetheless, I understand. Also, it's not what I want?...its about completing a task these forums have already put in motion...just at a more effective manor.
i want sense build base on desire hd or z
its will be lite enuf to run from RAM and boot fast
the Data.img will be backed up in the nand but will work from SD card for better performance
that's what i think is perfect to me
RAM gives boot time and less battery drain
data.img on nand and sd card is for better iops and for backuping ur info fast with CWM
u can remove anything u dont use cos it wont be in the RAM
all most important things like email / messages / people browser will run from RAM to get the speed-est performance
As has been stated, aren't most the bugs pretty common to all builds in one way or another therefore indicating that the problem is at the programming level rather than the rom developer level.
IMHO find one you're happy with and take the bugs with a pinch of salt - the HD2 is still one of the most exciting handsets about and to have the ability to experiment with all this thanks to the ROM guys and the tools developers on here is just blooming fantastic!
Stop moaning and appreciate what we have here!
Personally, I think this is a bad idea.
I'm very happy to have multiple developers all working on different projects and supplying us with different ROMs. For example, I hate HTC Sense and prefer stock Android, but lots of people disagree with that and think Sense builds are superior.
If all the devs worked on only 1 ROM then that's all we'd have. 1 ROM. My phone would be the same as yours, and yours would be the same as every other person on the forum. That would be pretty darn boring! If you ask me, more choice is better.
"If everybody looked the same, we'd get tired of looking at each other."
I never said stop working on different flavors of Roms. Just focus on an XDA Rom. Once refined, let the flavors flow...right?
You know, I approach this topic from a respective and open discussion approach with an expressed curiosity at most and the best you can do is confuse it for moaning?
It's guys like you that start all the flaming, when you have people who are simply exchanging ideas.
There's always a few out of the bunch that can't resist being abrasive aka a$$holes while others are just chatting.
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As has been stated, aren't most the bugs pretty common to all builds in one way or another therefore indicating that the problem is at the programming level rather than the rom developer level.
IMHO find one you're happy with and take the bugs with a pinch of salt - the HD2 is still one of the most exciting handsets about and to have the ability to experiment with all this thanks to the ROM guys and the tools developers on here is just blooming fantastic!
Stop moaning and appreciate what we have here!
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Hi All
Seems to be a bit backward to not be able to post in the development section, but rules are rules I suppose.
I bought a Xoom a couple of months ago and put on Moray on a UK wifi Xoom. Very impressed and jumped onto ICS with the initial ICS release then played about with nightlys up to version twelve today.
OTG still not working for me, it crashes USB watcher OTG as well.
Music app does not get mentioned, but its terrible. Only small icons and no proper options ?
Camera and Mic were not tried as they are obviosly broken due to missing binaries.
It also seems backward to have widgets only on the apps page.
Battery options made the battery read zero, then made it disappear from the tray as well.
Browser does seem slicker, but back to Moray and its not a huge difference to be fair.
Have issues with various Apps. This makes sense as they still need to get up to speed with ICS. But it does concern me when people say its the best thing ever, when nothing can work as advertised. HW videos are hit and miss. I am also sure I read a while back that ICS would be all singing, why do I need a Ext mount app to write to an external card, same as OTG ? I thought that this would be part of the main build ?
So from my own personal experience, its a change, but until you have a full package with working apps, hardware, then I think people need to calm down with their plaudits for ICS.
I think I will leave the nightlys for a while, but it was great to try, and thanks for the guys putting the effort in making/updating these things.
I'm going to say this with as much respect as I can:
You have zero idea what the development section is about with statements like that.
Stick to stock software if you want a device that works as intended.
Development and custom roms always have caveats and pitfalls.
Thanks for stopping by!
Regarding not being able to post in dev section - it's for development only not questions and a lot of new users start new threads and ask a lot of questions! It makes sense the way it s.
You have to remember that these are alpha builds which are not supposed to be complete or fully working. A lot of devs wouldn't even put these out at this stage because of instability issues. But I am SOOO glad that the EOS team have decided to share these awesome ICS build with us because it may take weeks or even months to get to a full build release or an official Moto release. I know you aren't trying to bash the devs but I have to disagree with your opinions. I love ICS so far. It's fast, fluid and looks great.
Agreed with the widget option. Think the HC way was better but it's a minor issue compared to the speed improvements.
In essence though, I think if the full product is what you want you should stay away from alpha or even beta builds. Stick with full or official releases. Most people who test these roms understand this.
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aside from the camera and the mic i have had zero problems with anything i do on the xoom on a regular basis.
if it's an alpha build, it's a hell of an alpha build.
the only thing was it took me a bit to get all the gapps working and to the most current versions
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Well my point was I don't have to be a Dev to know when things are not working. OTG is not working, and this is not a statement saying it has to, but merely a way of reporting it.
Nobody has mentioned the battery dissapears if you change the settings.
People seemed to be obsessed with Google Maps working, but since this is a great media player the bugs seem to be getting left out of the threads.
Now I know there is a lot missing, but why no OTG support built in ? Is this just a Motorola thing ?
I think there has to be a devils advocate here, everyone saying its fast is great, but if you are just using this as a browser, then its not a great indication about how good ICS is.
And to the chap who said I had no idea about Dev things, you are 100 % correct. But this is not aimed at anyone doing the nightlys, this is an ICS comparison. I am sure if Motorola release a version of ICS! Then it would get mentioned, how there are also some annoying new things not hardware or nightly release related. As I said the Music player is abysmal, the widgets is hidden away. The apps selector looks smaller, and some other little things.
So all I am trying to say is yes it seems faster, but since its only partly there, and we shrug when things don't work correctly, does not mean that is is the best thing ever. When we have a full version and all the binaries are working, then we will see the real speed ?
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Well my point was I don't have to be a Dev to know when things are not working. OTG is not working, and this is not a statement saying it has to, but merely a way of reporting it.
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I haven't tested it but others in the thread have and say it's working.
Nobody has mentioned the battery dissapears if you change the settings.
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It's in the official bug tracker.
Now I know there is a lot missing, but why no OTG support built in ? Is this just a Motorola thing ?
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At this point the ICS builds are all straight from source so not a moto thing but see above.
So all I am trying to say is yes it seems faster, but since its only partly there, and we shrug when things don't work correctly, does not mean that is is the best thing ever. When we have a full version and all the binaries are working, then we will see the real speed ?
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That's all well and good but if that's the way you think then stay away from alpha and beta builds. If you are only interested in the full working product wait for official release.
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Worst thread ever.
Alpha build!
Thanks for replying.
I don't know what defines a working OTG, but with Moray I used USB Mount watcher and I mounted a 1tb HD no problem. I thought I would not need an app, but no joy. This time when I tried the App it says it was built in. But it hangs at any attempt to identify the HD. Another mount app sees the HD, but can't mount it.
The battery thing I just noticed in the bug tracker, but no one mentioned it in the thread.
No one mentions the poor ICS music player or widgets.
I just see people obsessed with calendar and Google maps ?
And to all saying Alpha Build....considering Motorola never added OTG support to HC, but the custom roms did. My point is who is to say they will add it to ICS. I thought it was supposed to be standard. If people have to Root their device to get OTG and towrite to External SD. We have not come that far forward. And in fact the threads I readprevious to buying a Xoom had people waiting months for updates, are people really expecting a Motorola Ics within the next 6 months. This alpha build will not get any better until there are binaries, soapart from a few settings tweaks, it will stay Alpha for a long time I reckon.
I understand you saying stick to stock, but the built in things to ICS are poorer in relation to HC, I suppose no one mentions things in case they appear to be rude, but I think its better if people know the negatives as well, as it just seems to be people with Ice Cream tinted glasses at the moment
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I understand you saying stick to stock, but the built in things to ICS are poorer in relation to HC, I suppose no one mentions things in case they appear to be rude, but I think its better if people know the negatives as well, as it just seems to be people with Ice Cream tinted glasses at the moment
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Again though, this is an alpha build so you cannot expect this to be fully working or all "built in" functions to be bug free.
If the current builds don't work for your daily needs that's fair enough, wait for a more complete build. But you cannot burn ICS on the strengths, or weaknesses, of an alpha build.
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Be happy that we are the only tablet that has a ICS build to be bug free enough to be a daily driver for a good portion of users.
(Wifi, GPU acceleration, netflix work perfectly, browser is very much improved)
I can't post in the development section either.
But a thread like this is just the place to boost my post count.
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Ten characters.
Honestly, all I can really say to this... one step at a time, one day at a time.
You, as well as others, must understand and respect the fact that the developers here are putting in their own free time and effort to bring us these ROMs and extras, at absolutely no cost to you, the user.
Trying to tear apart tons code that has already been written to troubleshoot, fix problems, and test is hugely tedious and very time consuming.
Right now, I suggest not trying to put the cart before the horse. Simple things like asethetics, minor functionality (I.e. OTG, etc.) that is not crucial to the operation of the device is going to have to wait.
Important parts, like 3G/4G radio functionality, Google apps, video playback - the essentials come first.
Truthfully, I would not waste my time reporting the smaller issues, we know that they are there. When the developers get the foundation built and stable enough to work with, THEN will they ask for help with bug reporting and suggestions and such. No need to overwhelm the developers at this stage of the game.
Just my 2 cents.
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Honestly, all I can really say to this... one step at a time, one day at a time.
You, as well as others, must understand and respect the fact that the developers here are putting in their own free time and effort to bring us these ROMs and extras, at absolutely no cost to you, the user.
Trying to tear apart tons code that has already been written to troubleshoot, fix problems, and test is hugely tedious and very time consuming.
Right now, I suggest not trying to put the cart before the horse. Simple things like asethetics, minor functionality (I.e. OTG, etc.) that is not crucial to the operation of the device is going to have to wait.
Important parts, like 3G/4G radio functionality, Google apps, video playback - the essentials come first.
Truthfully, I would not waste my time reporting the smaller issues, we know that they are there. When the developers get the foundation built and stable enough to work with, THEN will they ask for help with bug reporting and suggestions and such. No need to overwhelm the developers at this stage of the game.
Just my 2 cents.
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Thank you for the great work you are doing on this. I can see that it can be slow going but you seem to be making good progress.
Hello
I would like to know if there is an approximate date of the camera driver for the Desire Z (ICS), as the camera I use quite often and it's the only thing that does not work (in the port by mdeejay).
For HTC Desire phone has the camera works, see this article: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1355660.
Thank you.
Soon
The thread mentions that the camera is only PARTIALLY working. However seeing as ICS has seen tremendous development over the past few months, we will have camera in no time!
Edit: I am aware of that. Just denoting that it won't take long till we have a fully operational build WITH camera!
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The thread mentions that the camera is only PARTIALLY working. However seeing as ICS has seen tremendous development over the past few months, we will have camera in no time!
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Partially mean that works just photos. Video recording don't works.
Looks like we'll have to be patient for a little while.....
I've read a number of the android development threads and it seems that the problem is that the devs don't have the camera driver for ICS. As the Desire and DesireZ uses different cpu series, it seems that the progress on the desire is not very applicable to DesireZ and there's still much work to be done before the devs can get the camera to work. (Perhaps we can look also to the DesireHD progress?? I don't know)
But the devs definitely had already done a great great great job! =D
They will probably have something hacked together within a week (just a guess based on the progress made so far). If we want a true ICS Camera we need to ask HTC to develop and distribute the drivers (from what I've heard). Time to fire up those emails.
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Partially mean that works just photos. Video recording don't works.
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I suspect that still pictures will satisfy almost everyone. I don't think I've **EVER** taken video with my phone, certainly isn't a show stopper to lack that feature (for me, at least), but lack of still pictures IS.
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I suspect that still pictures will satisfy almost everyone. I don't think I've **EVER** taken video with my phone, certainly isn't a show stopper to lack that feature (for me, at least), but lack of still pictures IS.
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be careful, that slope is slippery !
There are a few ways it might happen:
Drivers are released from HTC. We need people to ask for them! Don't just ask people hear and speculate... take action and ask! Do so here: http://htcdev.com/contact
Drivers are released for a similar model with same chipset. It's a big maybe and probably not since they are all around the same age as our Desire Z.
And finally, CM team just ports it from Gingerbread or somehow tweaks the driver to work. That is the more likely but obviously is going to be difficult to almost impossible. But it still is the more likely scenario unless HTC releases the driver.
The problem is: HTC isn't going to do sh*t unless there is demand for it. We must act quickly and must make as many requests as possible. Ask you friends, co workers, and even your old Grandma to do so Just remember what we asking for... just the ICS source code and driver for the camera. We have a much better chance for that because it's easier for HTC and more likely because it won't effect their sales as much as a full ICS update. Thanks to these guys for the idea! http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1425324
I've got a question I tried to answer myself, but I couldn't resist to post it on the forum.
Is the ICS leak a great step forward for all Atrix users ?
For those who wanted HWA, fingerprint scanner, working camera, of course it is... But is it a step forward for the release of a STABLE CM10 with a STABLE kernel ? This question is more open to a debate than a simple answer.
This leak didn't provide any option for those who have the wrong tegrapart (Mine is OK), or a lapdock, or those who use Chrome and want a generally reliable ROM (Stability, I/O perfs, battery life). They have to make a compromise but we still didn't reach THE ROM(s) that makes everybody happy.
The missing thing to get the ROM(s) that will make us all happy is the kernel source... Why didn't we get it with the ICS leak ? Well let's exclude this question from this thread and maybe talk about it after this debate is (almost) closed.
Personally I'm happy to have this new ROM, it's fast, smooth etc. but my lapdock is still borked so I'm really frustrated not to have this awesome tablet display that works with EVERYTHING but not MOTOROLA's own peripheral... Damn it !
So, what's your case ? Of course you may have found satisfaction with the ICS leak, but are you as frustrated as I am to be this close to the ultimate goal ?
The debate is open, I hope I broke the ice for some people who are in my case and feel like forgotten.
I think that leak does not come with the source code. Thus there will not be any practical improvement right now.
Or, most likely ever. I doubt things will go much farther, and I'm usually the optimistic one
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nope, i think the ics leak was just a one off leak from what motorola actually got round to doing before they abandoned the project, which personally is really bad the roms are just crappy (no offence to developers but the lack of resources means they will always be crappy), everyone says the roms are good but every ics rom iv used is awful, overheating, bugs, battery life sucks, cameras lag, and doesnt compare to a stable cm7 which works completely fine and does everything ics can do anyway.. hmm... i guess everyone just keeps giving themselves false hope, although the possibility of a stable ics is much more than the chance of jellybean & as for the cm10/jellybean thing dont get your hopes up the signs of HWA are non existent and i really dont think they ever will be unless somebody makes a kernel from scratch which for a mobile device would take endless hours of work and testing each boot would probably get your through about 50 atrix phones from hard bricks etc... and i dont think our developers have the time or money to do so... even with donations.
its just not worth it, the atrix is a dying breed if you dont like cm7 then buy a new phone, its that simple, confuses me why everyone acts like cm7 is some sort of bugged crappy software that doesnt work? yet its still a very stable software.
i think everyone should stop concentrating on ICS and jellybean until we actually hear news that will be helpful to creating a stable build and in the mean time focus on improving cm7 with mods and other things, right now cm7 is basically abandoned and the thing its been abandoned for has been on hold for around 3 months.
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nope, i think the ics leak was just a one off leak from what motorola actually got round to doing before they abandoned the project, which personally is really bad the roms are just crappy (no offence to developers but the lack of resources means they will always be crappy), everyone says the roms are good but every ics rom iv used is awful, overheating, bugs, battery life sucks, cameras lag, and doesnt compare to a stable cm7 which works completely fine and does everything ics can do anyway.. hmm... i guess everyone just keeps giving themselves false hope, although the possibility of a stable ics is much more than the chance of jellybean & as for the cm10/jellybean thing dont get your hopes up the signs of HWA are non existent and i really dont think they ever will be unless somebody makes a kernel from scratch which for a mobile device would take endless hours of work and testing each boot would probably get your through about 50 atrix phones from hard bricks etc... and i dont think our developers have the time or money to do so... even with donations.
its just not worth it, the atrix is a dying breed if you dont like cm7 then buy a new phone, its that simple, confuses me why everyone acts like cm7 is some sort of bugged crappy software that doesnt work? yet its still a very stable software.
i think everyone should stop concentrating on ICS and jellybean until we actually hear news that will be helpful to creating a stable build and in the mean time focus on improving cm7 with mods and other things, right now cm7 is basically abandoned and the thing its been abandoned for has been on hold for around 3 months.
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Its not that simple. Once you've had a taste of Android 4.X, its nearly impossible to go back. I'm stuck on Epinter's CM10 because of that, every time I try switching back to a CM7 based rom I find it randomly jittery and with a lot of small annoyances. Both of which I never noticed before trying Joker's CM9.
Even when I switched from CM7 to CM9, I remember CM7 was more or less perfect in its current state. Work stopped on it because there's not much else that can be done with it. Its hit its peak, and for those not spoiled by the more polished versions of Android it is indeed the ideal rom for our device. That does not mean work should stop on ICS/JB, though. The big issue we have is the kernel, of which there are several projects in the works to port kernels from other devices. Its something that'll take (a lot of) time, but long term it'll be much better for our devices than making barely noticeable changes to Gingerbread roms.
With that said, you are right in that the ICS leak is more or less useless without source code. Crappy battery and display issues on some variants of Atrix completely ruin it.
Having the kernel source would solve many issues, but after Motorola abandoned the device it's very unlikely they'll commit any more resources into releasing the half working source code. Of course we'd like to see the source released as it existed under development, but from what I understand, the the source that gets released isn't always exactly the same as what they work with when they compile it and things like extremely helpful comments in the code get removed because of things like NDA's. And although many of the libs and drivers can be extracted from the ROM, the code to use them has been lost.
As it stands, the Atrix Rebirth Project is probably the best chance for seeing a fully functional kernel source for ICS and beyond. But as has been pointed out already, interest in the device has been dying, and even if the project does manage to make it happen, it's not going to happen overnight.
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Its not that simple. Once you've had a taste of Android 4.X, its nearly impossible to go back. I'm stuck on Epinter's CM10 because of that, every time I try switching back to a CM7 based rom I find it randomly jittery and with a lot of small annoyances. Both of which I never noticed before trying Joker's CM9.
Even when I switched from CM7 to CM9, I remember CM7 was more or less perfect in its current state. Work stopped on it because there's not much else that can be done with it. Its hit its peak, and for those not spoiled by the more polished versions of Android it is indeed the ideal rom for our device. That does not mean work should stop on ICS/JB, though. The big issue we have is the kernel, of which there are several projects in the works to port kernels from other devices. Its something that'll take (a lot of) time, but long term it'll be much better for our devices than making barely noticeable changes to Gingerbread roms.
With that said, you are right in that the ICS leak is more or less useless without source code. Crappy battery and display issues on some variants of Atrix completely ruin it.
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hmm i used pinters cm10 for a week and went back to MROM cm7 and customised it to my liking with ICS themes and text changers, looks just like ICS runs just as smooth as a buggy JB rom, thats the problem the performance of CM10 roms without HWA is about the same as a good CM7 rom... just with a few features like google now which nobody really uses anyway, although i understand where your coming from when it comes too the UI and animations on JB roms they are very nice but id rather sacrafice them and have a phone that will work 100%
I'm very naive to the inner workings of android
I also returned to mrom from epinters cm 10 and icsrom because of lack of camcorder or terrible battery life.
Now with mrom I have a very smooth launcher and all apps working. I do miss jellybeans nice interface, but what are the more fundamental improvements that gingerbread lacks? Besides feeling outdated and old of course :/
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Zero usefulness. Novelty item at best.
It's interesting to read opinion of no-developers is it something useful or not. Only developers could say something about it. Also most of you are so pessimistic, complaining that developing is dying.
xda-developers is for site and forum for developers. If you think that developing is dying, come on, do something about. Join Atrix Rebirth Project, start to learn how to develop kernel and rom. There is a lot of guides here and on Internet. Instead of spending time on forum and waiting that someone else do it for you and for free. If you don't have time to learn, contribute on another way: support developers, donate money or device, try to find solution, use your contacts to get leaked sources...
The easiest way is to buy a new device and start complain after a while
I have been very pleased with the stock GB rom. I have a Nexus 7 and an old HTC Aria, both running the latest version of JB and, other than a more up-to-date appearance, there's really nothing I can't do on the Atrix that I can do on the JB devices.
Its amazing what the developers have been able to do with the HTC Aria. It has very little memory, but they have created virtually unlimited program memory by using an extended partition on the SD card. The Aria also runs JB almost flawlessly.
If JB could run on the Atrix 4G the way it runs on my Aria, I would use it. But from what I've read, it has a long way to go. I am not even sure I would even be able to root my Atrix, which has the latest GB update from Motorola.
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I've got a question I tried to answer myself, but I couldn't resist to post it on the forum.
Is the ICS leak a great step forward for all Atrix users ?
For those who wanted HWA, fingerprint scanner, working camera, of course it is... But is it a step forward for the release of a STABLE CM10 with a STABLE kernel ? This question is more open to a debate than a simple answer.
This leak didn't provide any option for those who have the wrong tegrapart (Mine is OK), or a lapdock, or those who use Chrome and want a generally reliable ROM (Stability, I/O perfs, battery life). They have to make a compromise but we still didn't reach THE ROM(s) that makes everybody happy.
The missing thing to get the ROM(s) that will make us all happy is the kernel source... Why didn't we get it with the ICS leak ? Well let's exclude this question from this thread and maybe talk about it after this debate is (almost) closed.
Personally I'm happy to have this new ROM, it's fast, smooth etc. but my lapdock is still borked so I'm really frustrated not to have this awesome tablet display that works with EVERYTHING but not MOTOROLA's own peripheral... Damn it !
So, what's your case ? Of course you may have found satisfaction with the ICS leak, but are you as frustrated as I am to be this close to the ultimate goal ?
The debate is open, I hope I broke the ice for some people who are in my case and feel like forgotten.
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Yeah right ! talking about this leak ... is a >small< step foward !
Just imagine Michael Montuori out of here, Or the Bill ?! epinter !? Faux, or jocker that has made a wonderfull job and the other in the early days of the atrix .... all source code builder out of this atrix family at once !
Well ... Motorola doesnt have a great support for the moment ! as their Blur OS is ****ty slow ! :S
I own a Car dock, A HD Multimedia Dock and a great lapdock !
I approve that this is still frustrating (and i know the devs out there are NOT getting Paid enough for a better work than MOTOROLA itself,) that motorola own product doesnt have support yet ! but still have on a direct DHMI cable straight to the tv !! WTF ?!?!!
Well, its not going to change anything here, i mean this thread ... but .. well .. you know ! YEAH its awkward and " fais chier bordel" hahaha
Our devs are GREAT but unfortunately, we still need that damn MOTO support for their drivers source for the new OS :S
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Well, its not going to change anything here, i mean this thread ... but .. well .. you know ! YEAH its awkward and " fais chier bordel" hahaha
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I would even say "Bordel à couilles de constructeur de mes deux !". I'm writing this using my lapock... On my tiny screen, with my main screen at 45° so I can still read what I'm writing. I dreamt about WT3.0 with working LAPDOCK, it would have been so gorgeous, but it's currently not happening. "Nique cette merde !", I'm buying a Windows Phone next year when the ecosystem gets more apps and stuff. The news are getting warmer for this OS ! The amazing keyboard made in WP7/8 will replace my lapdock I use as a keyboard.
Development IS actually dying, look at the Atrix 4G development section where there used to be several ROMs under active development there are now just a few. Nearly everything that can be done has been done with the exception of what the Atrix rebirth project is doing. But there is no guarantee of success. If you have the money or a device to donate to the rebirth project, great, by all means go for it. Maybe one of the other tegra based moto devices might help a bit too. Unfortanately I think it's pretty hard to hold any level of optimism for the device after such a long string of let downs.
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I see the ICS leak as interesting but not overly useful.
Now, if they'd also leaked the source code, I don't doubt that the devs could have created a fully-features and stable ICS/JB within a couple of months. However, with no source for such a buggy leak, we're reliant on a few people trying to create a kernel almost from scratch. I wish them well, but I'm not holding my breath...
When you feel like the development is hopeless , waste all of your time and try fixing things yourself get a new phone.
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When you feel like the development is hopeless , waste all of your time and try fixing things yourself get a new phone.
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Like you? And you think that you're smart. That's exactly what vendors wish, get a new device. Bravo
Edit: With your latest posts in Atrix forum you're the same as maggedo or member with Atrix in name. Ups, you have Motorola
How long N4 will be the best device for you? What I see not so long
I think it's interesting how people work:
First everyone was crying about the fact, that Motorola left us out in the cold and now that we have a actually really good leak, people cry that it's not good enough... That's just sad. The leak is useful and it's a big step into the right direction. A lot of people put in hours of work for you (and for FREE!!!), to make this leak better. All you need is PATIENCE. Be grateful that some devs stick to this EOL-device and provide great work for us.
-Just my 2 cents-
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When you feel like the development is hopeless , waste all of your time and try fixing things yourself get a new phone.
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And... What about people who can't get a new device ? I bought mine like 6 months ago, it was for my birthday and I can't waste money on a newer phone like this.
But there must be some kind of "break-even" ahead.
How many hours of work and energy may be put from the most "valuable brains" into the leak (without having sourcecode), until they must decide: "enough is enough, it just will never turn out as "stable"?
From what I've understood there exists some good chances that maybe some day valuable parts of the XOOM kernel get migrated to the Atrix (see respective thread under development area).
May the last remaining devs of a dying device - whose work I greatly respect and appreciate! - join forces and turn more efforts into porting the xoom?