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Verizon and AT&T block wifi tethering from market.

I thought we'd all get a nice lol out of this ;-)
http://m.zdnet.com/blog/mobile-news...coming-and-now-they-are-here/2243?tag=nl.e539
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Sprint ftw
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lynyrd65 said:
Sprint ftw
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agreed.. more reasons to be on sprint..

Agreed, what's funny though is they can still get the apk online. But I suppose its a small step in their intentions
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treyxazn said:
Agreed, what's funny though is they can still get the apk online. But I suppose its a small step in their intentions
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yeah.. pretty sure that anyone that knows how to root to get tether to work knows where to find the apk.

But according to the article the carriers can differ the use of their own tethering services and the use of tethering that Google wanted to be allowed in Android, basically even if it isn't on the market it's less people using the tethering and makes it easier to pinpoint and cut people off.

A) Sprint will likely follow suit
B) I didn't even know it was available in the market lol.
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AproSamurai said:
But according to the article the carriers can differ the use of their own tethering services and the use of tethering that Google wanted to be allowed in Android, basically even if it isn't on the market it's less people using the tethering and makes it easier to pinpoint and cut people off.
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Hmm I wonder how they would go about doing so, and am curious if they are able to if we have removed carrierIQ?
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Kcarpenter said:
A) Sprint will likely follow suit
B) I didn't even know it was available in the market lol.
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Sprint's the only company that hasn't followed in the major two's footsteps so far.
First being encrypted locked boot-loaders. Not one phone has been so encrypted that it's impenetrable. Then second being this. I think Sprint's taking the route of T-Mobile and going to support AOSP to the fullest. Of course, it's wishful thinking but on the other hand, it does appear to be the case...for now.

I would lie to know the source of info in that article stating that they can tell when you are tethering. I don't believe that is true. Data should be data. There was another article out and this was not stated, just the block. That is achieved by the market lkooking for the carrier's signature and not showing certain apps, like Verizon's NFL app to Sprint or At&T.

Sorry for the newbie question, but does anyone know how to remove the carrier IQ? It seems that if that is not there then one cannot be detected tethering.
I am a new EPIC user and rooted my phone using the oneclick method and RFS filesystem. Basically rooted just for tethering my tablets to my phone for occassional net access. So how do I go removing sprint's IQ? TIA!
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imjimmy said:
Sorry for the newbie question, but does anyone know how to remove the carrier IQ? It seems that if that is not there then one cannot be detected tethering.
I am a new EPIC user and rooted my phone using the oneclick method and RFS filesystem. Basically rooted just for tethering my tablets to my phone for occassional net access. So how do I go removing sprint's IQ? TIA!
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Yup. Put on a ROM that has it removed. Read OPs in development ROMs

I had to post here.
I noticed this, and when I went on the website to install it, it said I couldn't "Carrier blocks the install."
I go on my phone, fire up the market, and it lets me install it from there.
So apparently, T-Mo just wants me to download it from my phone, not from their website.
Whatever, I didn't even know that there was a website for the market till like a week ago. xD

Currently, putting a rom on is the only way to remove it.

There its also the factor of how much data is used - generally, a tethered device like a computer or game console would use more data than the phone by itself. If Sprint sees an unusual amount of data being downloaded, they might be able to consider that proof enough (just speculation, I'm not an expert but it is plausible)
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i think sprint cares just a little less because their data plans are truly unlimited. my phone is my only source of internet. i use it to download movies and games and everything else. i use about 9-30Gb of data a month. and 've been doing it for over a year. no one has terminated my contract or throttled my data speeds or anything. they put up with it as long as i pay my bill.

Kcarpenter said:
B) I didn't even know it was available in the market lol.
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use a search engine to find something about app and planet on the net to find an 'alternative market' for things like this 'pulled and/or blocked' wifi tethering app

Lol shame on u, shaaaammee on u lol
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heathmcabee said:
Lol shame on u, shaaaammee on u lol
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<looks around> What ??? It's a 'suggestion'
(contribution to the Android Community I say )

I use so much data and tethering is a small amount. I wonder if they track based on browser?
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Sprint tethering

Being that there is so many movie apps like Netflix and HBO go, can sprint tell if your tethering . Is the data usage the same if I was watching Netflix on my phone vs tethering Netflix to my ipad?
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4G is unlimited so it doesnt matter. for 3G, so long as your arent going too crazy over the 5GB CONSTANTLY it shouldnt be much of an issue.

dw3bb10 said:
4G is unlimited so it doesnt matter. for 3G, so long as your arent going too crazy over the 5GB CONSTANTLY it shouldnt be much of an issue.
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All data is unlimited except when roaming.
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Rem3Dy said:
All data is unlimited except when roaming.
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+1
no 5gb cap

since when has 3g been unlimited

kaoss_11 said:
since when has 3g been unlimited
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Forever! Its only limited with data only plans (Tabs, USB modems, etc.)
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OP, I've tried to get a straight answer to the same question before with no luck.... The question isn't whether data is unlimited or not (it is, on both 3g and 4g, we all know that), it's whether Sprint can tell a difference in the type of data the Netflix app uses on the phone vs. tethering Netflix on a computer.
I honestly don't know the answer, but my hunch is that they CAN tell the difference, but they haven't busted anybody on it yet. I'm sure navigating the Netflix website on your computer looks different than using the app on your phone because the Netflix app doesn't load all the same things as the website.
I think the crux of the question is whether Sprint can tell the difference between loading an identical website on the phone's browser vs. on a tethered computer.
Does anybody actually know?
Edit: Noticed that you were specifically asking about tethering to an iPad. I think there is probably a difference in the user agent, but the data itself probably looks the same.
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Well, I think the issue to be considered is, is tethering allowed at all under our TOS (I honestly can't remember)? Because I'm not sure, but I believe you are allowed to USB tether your evo; they just don't want you to use it as a wireless hotspot unless you pay the extra $30. So, can they tell if you're watching something on your Evo, or tethering to another device, possibly...but can they tell if you're watching on another device that's tethered via USB or wireless? I would think not. But I don't know, just trying to give some food for thought.

Being a sprint Rep in business care... on our end we cant see anything like this. To us, data is data. The only thing we differentiate with is on or off network (roaming)
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Your TOS does not allow any type of tether unless you pay for the tethering plan, wired and wireless.
Just as a suggestion, don't use your tether to download illegal content. If caught, double whammy, violating TOS and copyright laws.
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Only difference they're going to see is if you're roaming/not roaming.

jagxj220 said:
Your TOS does not allow any type of tether unless you pay for the tethering plan, wired and wireless.
Just as a suggestion, don't use your tether to download illegal content. If caught, double whammy, violating TOS and copyright laws.
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this
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Got a letter from crap att today

Got a letter today about tethering.. said that if I dont stop tethering they will change my plan to a tethering plan and cap me at 4gb... that's some str8 BS.. my question is how do they know I'm tethering and is there a way to block them from knowing I am... I'm not going to go from a unlimited plan to a capped plan for 15 dollars more of it was unlimited I would gladly pay the extra money. If anyone knows a way to tether still with out them knowing that would be sweet!!!
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boxerlover02 said:
Got a letter today about tethering.. said that if I dont stop tethering they will change my plan to a tethering plan and cap me at 4gb... that's some str8 BS.. my question is how do they know I'm tethering and is there a way to block them from knowing I am... I'm not going to go from a unlimited plan to a capped plan for 15 dollars more of it was unlimited I would gladly pay the extra money. If anyone knows a way to tether still with out them knowing that would be sweet!!!
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They can tell by the packet data, and as far as I know, there's no way for you to stop them from tracing it and finding out.

I would have thought that using a vpn would do the trick but Im not to sure, when I renewed mine I saw a few for about $40-$60 a year. I would say try tor but that might cause more problems then its worth
And as for them knowing how your doing it, the only way they would know is by packet sniffing(I think), but as android has the full internet I really don't no how they are able to tell the difference between you tethering and you using the browser on your phone.

how much data did you use?

I use and average of about 20-30gb a month... that's the reason I wont get a tethering plan cuz they cap it at 4gb a month. If it was unlimited I would have no problem giving them the extra 15 a month for the tethering
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Most I ever used was 72gb a month... I guess that's the reason my account got red flagged I guess lol...
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The softcap for even unlimited accounts is 5gb,
you used over a year's worth of data in 1 month, i'm surprised they didnt immediately cut you off without notice as that's what ISPs use to justify having caps in the first place (though the whole unlimited = 5gb thing is a load to begin with)
It's boarderline physically impossible for a phone/tab to consume that much data without the user being physically present the entire time.
You COULD hit it by nonstop streaming netflix for an entire month but that's much less likely then using tethering it and doing non web browsing/gaming/anything heavy bandwidth that a phone/tab cant do itself
More or less they wont bother looking for tetherers that stay below their soft caps, but once you exceed the cap by like 100% it doesnt matter if it's tethering or not they'll still be mad

boxerlover02 said:
Most I ever used was 72gb a month... I guess that's the reason my account got red flagged I guess lol...
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LOL! That's alot of pRon!

Humm ... Streak = porn.... Seems I've heard of an ancient practice called "streaking", where people would run naked, usually in front of a crowd.... There was even a song about it...
IMO, it's completely natural & normal to consume even terabytes of data monthly when we're Streaking
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rvbarton said:
LOL! That's alot of pRon!
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Probably was a lot of downloading movie files!
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No I dont watch porn... I have chicks to take care of those needs. Its basically watching netflix all day long sucks when your on disability and have nothing to do all day long. Ray Stevens sang the song... it was funny me and my grandfather use to watch the skits all the time by him. I guess my tethering days are over. I cant justify going to a capped plan, atleast not only 5gb, maybe 10gb would be worth it but thats never going to happen
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boxerlover02 said:
No I dont watch porn... I have chicks to take care of those needs. Its basically watching netflix all day long sucks when your on disability and have nothing to do all day long. Ray Stevens sang the song... it was funny me and my grandfather use to watch the skits all the time by him. I guess my tethering days are over. I cant justify going to a capped plan, atleast not only 5gb, maybe 10gb would be worth it but thats never going to happen
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I know its not the same, but doesnt the Netflix app work on the streak?
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Yea, I got the netflix app working. But I was using the laptop and then hooked it up to the the a lot. My kids loved having just about any movie to watch at thier finger tips.
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**the TV**
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Lol, just try to change your apn settings or rooting/flasing rom to your tablet, att know you theter because most of time on their roms they add the way to change the apn when you theter, if you replace rom and manually adds the correct apn for your tablet then you can theter and the system will read that all data is used by same apn, the one that tablet is supposed to use, i had same problem with iphones but there is no roms for them so i switched to android
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Do you have WIFI at home? Or is that what the streak is for? Good idea!
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Im using the 351 rom... what dont would you think would do this? And no there is no wifi at the house. I called them and talked to a guy and he agreed that the 5gb is a load of bs. Said I need to get people together to spam them to change it to a higher limit and they most likely will if the masses want it changed. So lets spam them brothers and sisters of the at&t network. Try to get other users in also not just us streakers!!!!
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What rom would you think would do this... damn spell check changes stuff all them time on me
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boxerlover02 said:
Im using the 351 rom... what dont would you think would do this? And no there is no wifi at the house. I called them and talked to a guy and he agreed that the 5gb is a load of bs. Said I need to get people together to spam them to change it to a higher limit and they most likely will if the masses want it changed. So lets spam them brothers and sisters of the at&t network. Try to get other users in also not just us streakers!!!!
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Meh i pressed the wrong button, the only 'unlimited' data plans available are the grandfathered ones.
It's not even available anymore if you dont already have it, all you're gonna do is encourage them to lower caps/raise prices even more

boxerlover02 said:
What rom would you think would do this... damn spell check changes stuff all them time on me
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Any custom that you can add apn manually, if it is from some cooker from another country for a model for other country is better, i dont know one because i dont have a dell but i have a few android phones and is the same story
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[Rant] T-mobile: Stop double charging us.

This is a bit of a rant for T-mobile about their hotspot charges. It is unbelievable that such an originally "for the man" kind of company would jump on this bandwagon. I dont care if other carriers are charging for hotspot use, its not fair for them to do it and it is not fair for you either. I have been with T-mobile since the Voicestream days of Jamie Lee Curtis. I had the 3000min plan for many years and rarely used half that most of the time; I just wanted it in case I needed it. This is not the same case with Hotspot. I will not pay an additional charge to use something I already pay for, in a different way. I am not causing any additional network traffic by using a Laptop, than I would on my phone. If anything, I may be enticed to upgrade my data plan because I would be using much more data with the addition of my Laptop.
This type of behavior severely annoys us loyal customers who have stuck with you from the beginning. I hope you will feel the pressure when Verizon launches their new plans on 6-28-12 that INCLUDES FREE hotspot. It may be more expensive, but after all the additional charges are added on a T-mobile plan, it comes down to how much more are you willing to pay for better network coverage.
In closing, I love you T-mobile, we have had many good years with many FREE phones(I love my FREE S2), but, dont make me file for a divorce. /rant
I am well aware of how to get around this. So, if we can, why charge for it? Please feel free to add to this, trolls and all, post it up!

There's a plethora of tethering apps that are un detectable so you don't get charged. especially when you freeze tethering manager..
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JPOKeefe said:
There's a plethora of tethering apps that are un detectable so you don't get charged. especially when you freeze tethering manager..
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Which is the best one?
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suaverc118 said:
Which is the best one?
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https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.googlecode.android.wifi.tether
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There's a plethora of tethering apps that are un detectable so you don't get charged. especially when you freeze tethering manager..
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I don't think any of the apps are undetectable. Besides the native hotspot manager which directly prevents it, T-Mobile is detecting tethering by checking user agents of browser requests, and I haven't seen any of the apps add hiding the user agent to avoid this.

manekineko said:
I don't think any of the apps are undetectable. Besides the native hotspot manager which directly prevents it, T-Mobile is detecting tethering by checking user agents of browser requests, and I haven't seen any of the apps add hiding the user agent to avoid this.
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cant you change the user agent on most browsers?

SevenSe7enSeven said:
cant you change the user agent on most browsers?
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I find it interesting that I can use Dolphin browser in desktop mode, and there is no problem. Maybe because its dolphin? Also, I dont have a problem tethering on my S2 with Digital.Warefare 2.7 while using a laptop on Chrome. Seems ICS has some changes on the S2 because there are people reporting eventually being directed to the Tmo signup site after tethering for a bit.

You forgot to whine about charging for SMS. :silly:

luftrofl said:
You forgot to whine about charging for SMS. :silly:
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Who gets charged for SMS?

You get free texting from t-mobile?
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icky2g said:
Who gets charged for SMS?
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More than those who get charged for tethering, but way to miss the point. :silly:
Carriers have a history of charging for anything that they can. The fact that you're so mad about it *now* is hilarious.
It's very easy to get around, so stop whining about it.

Tethering

I received a letter from Sprint yesterday regarding my tethering usage haha. Anyways, they warned if I continue to do it I will be dropped. My question is do all the 3rd party tethering apps (I use the hot spot hack) show my usage as tethering as well?
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How much were you using?

Tell em if they do you want an etf!! Lol
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joe.stay said:
How much were you using?
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This month I'm at 6gb, 4 being tethering.
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bignick1215 said:
Tell em if they do you want an etf!! Lol
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If they drop me my S4 is given a "bad esn" right? I wonder if I pay an eft if they drop me. I don't care too much anymore as with my career change I get NO service where I go. Ha, I barely get service in normal locations. I've only seen lte in places you wouldn't expect it. I still want the Nexus 5 and will probably do straight talk or that T-mo prepay.
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evo-t said:
This month I'm at 6gb, 4 being tethering.
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How much were you using before this month?

joe.stay said:
How much were you using before this month?
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I never really pay attention, normally around 8GB or more.
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Which build number are you on? When you are logged in to your account online, does it have a separate section that says tethering? Or is it all under the data section? Was it 4g or 3g tethering? wimax or lte?

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Which build number are you on? When you are logged in to your account online, does it have a separate section that says tethering? Or is it all under the data section? Was it 4g or 3g tethering? wimax or lte?
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Mk2, stock. It's under settings/connections/data usage. What's 4G? Hahaha! Or this lte?? Sounds made up ? it was 3g tethering. I just tether my laptop and watch Netflix and do a lil bill paying and such. Maybe with MK2 and the knox plague sprint has a lil spy ware in there? They've never messed with me before and I've had 11gb+ of data usage before..
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Well, you got caught! You were shoplifting from Sprint and they caught you. Either stop stealing or get cut off. It amazes me sometimes that people are surprised when they get caught. 8GB+ a month on 3G, its obvious that you are tethering. Do I tether, hell yes! But if Sprint caught me, I would stop tethering or pay for the service. With their new lifetime data plans they include 5gb of tethering in one of their plans for cheaper than any other provider. They caught you because of the desktop Netflix sever you were connected to opposed to the mobile Netflix server.
It's kind of funny how xda comes down hard on people that post links to warez or movie/music bootleg sites but they turn a blind eye to stealing from Sprint with hacked tethering. Anyway, good luck with Sprint and keeping your account.

cruise350 said:
Well, you got caught! You were shoplifting from Sprint and they caught you. Either stop stealing or get cut off. It amazes me sometimes that people are surprised when they get caught. 8GB+ a month on 3G, its obvious that you are tethering. Do I tether, hell yes! But if Sprint caught me, I would stop tethering or pay for the service. With their new lifetime data plans they include 5gb of tethering in one of their plans for cheaper than any other provider. They caught you because of the desktop Netflix sever you were connected to opposed to the mobile Netflix server.
It's kind of funny how xda comes down hard on people that post links to warez or movie/music bootleg sites but they turn a blind eye to stealing from Sprint with hacked tethering. Anyway, good luck with Sprint and keeping your account.
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Thanks, although I am pretty aware I was caught. I have used mass amounts of data before without tethering. Keeping Sprint won't be a problem as I haven't been tethering. I am not surprised at getting caught, it isn't like I'm crying about the audacity of this company telling me how I can/can't use my unlimited data. I was only asking if anyone knew if a 3rd party app shows the usage as data or tethering still. I will look into this plan you mentioned though.
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