Guess what. After trying about 10 custom roms (2.2 and 2.3) the past several months and experiencing various issues with each one of them, I tried stock rooted 2.2 and removed some annoying apps, and it is great. Everything works (4g, 3g...) Gmail works as promised (no mails stuck in outbox like I get with the most recent Fresh) signal is strong, the camera focuses properly, and the battery actually lasts LONGER than it does with CM7, SavageMod, Sprint Lovers, etc. I know the customs are all tweaked up, but the stock rooted is 0% slower in terms of everyday use. (I do not use test bench scores because they have little bearing on what the phone actually feels like to use.)
Stock is better in many ways than any of the customs I have tried. No joke.(Once some of the Sprint junk has been removed of course.)
Try it for yourself.
Just sayin'.
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ronnienyc said:
Guess what. After trying about 10 custom roms (2.2 and 2.3) the past several months and experiencing various issues with each one of them, I tried stock rooted 2.2 and removed some annoying apps, and it is great. Everything works (4g, 3g...) Gmail works as promised (no mails stuck in outbox like I get with the most recent Fresh) signal is strong, the camera focuses properly, and the battery actually lasts LONGER than it does with CM7, SavageMod, Sprint Lovers, etc. I know the customs are all tweaked up, but the stock rooted is 0% slower in terms of everyday use. (I do not use test bench scores because they have little bearing on what the phone actually feels like to use.)
Stock is better in many ways than any of the customs I have tried. No joke.(Once some of the Sprint junk has been removed of course.)
Try it for yourself.
Just sayin'.
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I personally am not a fan of Sense anymore after Salvage. It's basically pure Gingerbread 2.3 with no extra added junk EXCEPT 4G WiMax. Runs smooth as butter, and couldn't ask for anything else. Bugless too, not counting HDMI which no one uses...
Have you tried Myn's Warm TwoPointTwo? In my experience it is the most stable Sense rom, while also being extremely fast and great on battery life. I get anywhere from 30-16 hours depending on how much I use it and what I'm doing/how my reception is. Lots of eye candy too. Not sure what errors you have been encountering..but everything works as it should with Myn's. Have you tried custom kernels? Netarchy's kernel has given me the best battery life and performance, I have been using setcpu with the smartass governor. On a side note I have been using Salvage Mod since wimax was added and it's freaking awesome!
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Have you tried Myn's Warm TwoPointTwo? In my experience it is the most stable Sense rom, while also being extremely fast and great on battery life. I get anywhere from 30-16 hours depending on how much I use it and what I'm doing/how my reception is. Lots of eye candy too. Not sure what errors you have been encountering..but everything works as it should with Myn's. Have you tried custom kernels? Netarchy's kernel has given me the best battery life and performance, I have been using setcpu with the smartass governor. On a side note I have been using Salvage Mod since wimax was added and it's freaking awesome!
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Salvage <3
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113 posts, a member here for a year, and you post this non-sense in the development section.
That alone tells me you have no idea what you are doing so why the heck would I take advice from you.
Stock evo really isn't all that bad. I would get a better optimized kernel instead of the stock kernel, but that's about it. I run EchoHD on mine for now, since I haven't had any issues with it with Revol, but I mess around with gingerbread and CM7 with it from time to time. CM7 I easily have nice battery life in, but I can't use it with my network sadly. =\
I was in the same situation ..... I think the problem is when You flash a new ROM you should give it some time to settle down. I use to install all the available MODS and themes plus 50 different apps right away ending up messing the whole system. Now I don't flash new fonts, tweaks, mods right away with a fresh ROM but then again it's just me, a novice user with very limited knowledge. I have been using FROST ROM for a month and it has been very stable ... although there are few new awesome looking ROMS just came out ( King's Ultra R2, Warm Z, Salvage MOD 1.0 etc ...) that are very tempting. I am to the verge of flashing a new one, it's just hard to pick one. After seeing all these insane ROMS who would go back to stock ... ! NOT ME.
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113 posts, a member here for a year, and you post this non-sense in the development section.
That alone tells me you have no idea what you are doing so why the heck would I take advice from you.
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Almost as good as registering your email address as a username.
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113 posts, a member here for a year, and you post this non-sense in the development section.
That alone tells me you have no idea what you are doing so why the heck would I take advice from you.
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^^Exactly This^^
My experience with Myns was ok - used it for about a month. But it had battery issues, and more importantly it would randomly lose 3g connectivity for maybe 30-60 seconds at a time. Same problem with Fresh. This is terribly annoying if you are browsing web pages. You end up clicking on a link 20 times trying to get it to load properly.
I was most recently using CM7 and it works well except the battery drain is just silly. And I know I am not the only one with battery drain on CM7.
The thing is, it seems there are always drawbacks with the customs. Some of the drawbacks are deal breakers like losing 3g, or botching the gmail app.
So while the developers are doing some awesome work (much appreciated!) when I step back a few paces, I realize that I have not gained much in real world usability, and I have often sacrificed stability or functionality for some minor gains which are often not noticeable without the use if benchmark tests.
I tend to agree with OP
I too have flashed many ROMS, and have also found best overall performance with a basically stock ROM. I say "basically stock," because I run RicSims 3.70 Turbo, which is supposedly mostly stock but with minor performance tweaks.
I run the stock HTC #15 Kernel included in ROM and, along with Seido 3500 Ext Batt, experience phenomenal battery life (see some of my other posts for results/screenshots).
I just recently tried a CM7 2.3 GB ROM w/ working WIMAX, and while everything worked perfectly (along with awesome Linpack and Quadrant scores), the battery life just wasn't there, so I went back to trusty Ricsims ROM (although I still have CM7 w/ WIMAX backed up via Nandroid, and can switch back and forth within 15 or 20 minutes, should I get the itch).
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My experience with Myns was ok - used it for about a month. But it had battery issues, and more importantly it would randomly lose 3g connectivity for maybe 30-60 seconds at a time. Same problem with Fresh. This is terribly annoying if you are browsing web pages. You end up clicking on a link 20 times trying to get it to load properly.
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Since you posted this in the wrong section, I would make one suggestion to you. Just stop replying to this thread until it gets moved and let it die, or you are going to continue to get flamed. I have already tagged it to be moved to the correct section, and I am sure others have as well. Just please try to pay a little more attention next time before you post. I could flame you but I am not going to. Usually its understandable but NOT okay to post questions in the dev forums, but your original post is going to get ya alot of negativity, I am not really sure what the point of it was?
Mr. Yellow, I am not asking a question. Just posting about my experience with the various custom ROMs.
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Mr. Yellow, I am not asking a question. Just posting about my experience with the various custom ROMs.
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I realize its not a question but was hinting to the fact that this isnt the correct section regardless. But people post alot of questions in here, and get flamed but usually get the questions answered anyways and thats understandable. I'm done but this would have better posted in the General section.
Other than the wrong section to post this.... what is wrong with what he said? I don't agree with it but to say you're going flame somebody? Flame? The guy likes stock rom and wrote it in the wrong forum. Careful Ronnie you might get flamed! Sorry you have over 300 posts so we better chill. LMAO
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I realize its not a question but was hinting to the fact that this isnt the correct section regardless. But people post alot of questions in here, and get flamed but usually get the questions answered anyways and thats understandable. I'm done but this would have better posted in the General section.
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that is the problem, people give them an answer.
if we didn't it might stop, else wise they get an answer really quick vs posting in QA
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Other than the wrong section to post this.... what is wrong with what he said? I don't agree with it but to say you're going flame somebody? Flame? The guy likes stock rom and wrote it in the wrong forum. Careful Ronnie you might get flamed! Sorry you have over 300 posts so we better chill. LMAO
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1. I never said I was going to flame anybody
2. There is a sticky at the top of the page that reads: "Thread DELETED/Locked??? This is DEVELOPMENT section not Q&A/General!!!!"
3. I was only trying to help him out by saying to just not post on the thread anymore until its moved and it'll just fade away.
4. I never said nor do I think because I have "over 300 posts" that i reign supreme over anybody here.
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1. I never said I was going to flame anybody
2. There is a sticky at the top of the page that reads: "Thread DELETED/Locked??? This is DEVELOPMENT section not Q&A/General!!!!"
3. I was only trying to help him out by saying to just not post on the thread anymore until its moved and it'll just fade away.
4. I never said nor do I think because I have "over 300 posts" that i reign supreme over anybody here.
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Honestly, "Mr. Yellow" has done what everyone else in this thread should have done, by kindly pointing out that the thread is okay, its great to share his experience, but he posted it in the wrong forum. So "Mr. Yellow" shouldn't be flamed. And if you flame the OP, you're honestly just as bad as to committing to this thread with nonsense.
Great statement OP regarding your set up, just please, next time, post threads of this manner in the general/q&a, as the development section is for developing roms, kernels and things of the such.
There has been talk of general about not allowing the creation of a thread in development if the person has less than 20 posts.
I believe this topic is proof that that will not work. I see what Mr. Yellow is saying. He makes a point. This should not have gone here. The OP mentioned no question was asked. But there was also no development. That's what General is for.
These topics piss people like me and Mr. Yellow off. This section gets cluttered with all this and it doesn't stop. It's getting old.
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This post is a poll for users who like to test different ROM's to find out which one will be the "winner" over their device. Also it is used as a quick guide to find out which of the "ECLAIR ROMs" are the highest rated of the releases for users (and devs) to pick from the HUGE list of ones available rather than flashing, testing, re-partitioning, then re-flashing, etc etc.
I am not at all trying to flame, bash, or put down anyone's ROM that is less developed than others. I myself as I believe others like myself are interested in finding out which of the great ROM's released are by popular vote more exciting to use than others.
I also understand that different users have different opinions, and I as well as many others I know personally prefer totally different ROM's to use on our devices. So on that note, let everyone know of the list which ROM you believe gives you the best experience on your G1 & Mytouch3G / Dream & Magic devices by popular vote.
If I have left off any other ROM's that may be GREAT but just not posted in the poll please feel free to express the name, who it's by, and why you love it!
Thanks for your vote, I believe this will be of a lot of help to others like myself.
Hopefully this post is not considered "spam" and is more for an informational tool
This should be posted in the Dream/G1 Discussion board...not the G1 Android Development section...
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This should be posted in the Dream/G1 Discussion board...not the G1 Android Development section...
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Thanks for the correction, however most ROM users, and Dev's don't use the Dream/G1 discussion forum and i believe the intentions of this post would fall on deaf ears.
Ive found my leo to be more entertaining than my dreams, the 2.5 sense UI rom is a beast on it too.
Seems to be pretty varied so far.....
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Seems to be pretty varied so far.....
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Yes it does, You can see where the most excitement is drawn from which is neat... The poll has multiple answers enabled which I input due to the fact that myself like probably others like more and enjoy more than only 1 ROM, So if you do like 2 out of the bunch or anything feel free to express it and vote for another
You spelled "ratings" wrong in the title.
Remember, first impressions last a life time.
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This should be posted in the Dream/G1 Discussion board...not the G1 Android Development section...
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True indeed, this thread is not specifically dev related, but I find it to be very helpful and informative for those of us that are flashing these roms, gives the user an better idea of what to choose from when looking for a good eclair duplicate. And most users, like I, hardly ever visit the discussion board because they are so busy checking the dev forums for new releases and updates. Therefore I find this thread to be placed in a perfectly good position due to to its purpose. MODS please consider before moving.
Yay! Somebody finally picked up my idea koo well
lets see which rom is the best
This should be reset tho every like week or so, cause constant changes happen and one gets crazy awesome over night..so you should have in the title sometimes (I reset this poll on 1/27) so ppl no to see new results...
wrong info
I use [email protected] Eclair 2.1, with spanish kernel, this is the faster 2.1 ROM for Dream and Sapphire.
I´m waiting for a new update, with N1 features and G1 Dream full working.
http://www.htcmania.com/showthread.php?t=90749
Nice Idea, this poll.
But, i think, there should be also a Poll for the Functions needed, not only which Eclair ROM...
So, for me the Killerfeatures are:
WLan/WiFi working
Bluetooth working
Exchange Active Sync working (including Contacts, Calendar, E-Mail)
Sound working (also with Navigation App like Sygic, nDrive, ...)
Not so urgent, but would be nice:
Google Sync working
Tethering WiFi/USB working
Browser with Flash Support working
Camera working (Pictures & Video)
Video working
as much as possible free system memory ;-)
Of course my respect for all developers, you do great work!
I'll try ~ all Imagereleases, but i stay at the moment @The Original Rogers (modification from kb7sqi). I think it's the only one with working complete ActiveSync/BT/WiFi/Sound.
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This should be reset tho every like week or so, cause constant changes happen and one gets crazy awesome over night..so you should have in the title sometimes (I reset this poll on 1/27) so ppl no to see new results...
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I like your idea, it's good to always update ratings based upon how certain ROMs enhance faster or more frequent than others.
hey javolin i really think u should add jubeh's 2.1 AOSP ROM to the polls, its really something great, best eclair ROM i used to date.
the Intention ROM comes from a mature dev that doesnt act like a child. He also dosent beg for money
Ill be trying kingklick's rom next!
I don't like eclair roms anymore after I tried CSDIv1 lol....everything seems to be slow as a turtle xD
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hey javolin i really think u should add jubeh's 2.1 AOSP ROM to the polls, its really something great, best eclair ROM i used to date.
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I would like to add different ROMs to the list, I don't think I can edit the poll once it's posted though.
pretty good turnout with the voting... I think these voting ratings will also help devs in a comptetive state as well... Granted there is the "sharing is caring" attitude, but I'm sure nothing feels greater then having a large fan base that supports your rom
I've been endlessly scouring this section of the forums for the last few weeks trying to figure out which rom would work best for me. There is one problem though, I can't for the life of me figure out which things work/do not work in each of the major roms. It's really important to me that nothing/minimal is broken in a rom that I choose. I'm hoping to make and maintain a list of specifically what does NOT work in each rom to help make the choices easier to sift through. The 1st posts of official rom threads usually have some things listed, but reading through the (million page) threads yields more issues.
The only problem, however, may be that most people are using a different combo of kernal/rom/hardware which obviously changes things, so I'm hoping to try and sift through that too. Perhaps make some tables to make it easier.
The Evo rom wiki has tables but only outlines basic functions.
*Mods: thought long and hard about which section to put this in, I think it's best served here.
*Devs: I'd love personal input here if possible. Thanks.
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Just sayin. This section is supposed to be for posting ROMs and development related items.
I'm not a mod so It's up to them, but, this should be in Q&A.
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Just sayin. This section is supposed to be for posting ROMs and development related items.
I'm not a mod so It's up to them, but, this should be in Q&A.
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Well, it is directly related to ROMs and development, but yeah if this isn't the right section please move it.
I totally understand the problem your having though. It's a bit unorganized but it's partially because of the vast development community that the Evo has. There is a wiki at the top of this section that might grant a little more insight. I don't know if it's exactly what your looking for.
P.S.
I do like to play "forum police" though I'm not a mod. I can understand why you posted here and it wasn't a blatant disregard for the rules. So no biggy to me anyway. The reason I get pissed is because it's already so cluttered that more threads make it that much harder.
You have to look in the OP of each thread in the android decelopement section and choose based on what you need from your phone and what you want. Myn's warm twopointtwo works perfectly for a sense rom and there is a cyanogenmod 7 beta with ewimax out now. So it has everything but HDMI working for a gingerbread aosp rom
Well here are some tips for you:
If it's a stock based Sense rom then everything should work unless the dev is an idiot.
If it's an AOSP rom then everything but hdmi and 4g should work (and 4g actually has a fix and can be made to work now)
If it's a port of another rom then hdmi, 4g, and typically the camera won't work (but this usually gets fixed). Sometimes various sensors aren't working properly either (like orientation)
We take a stock Rom and a stock kernel and twist the hell out of it way beyond its means and then ***** about what works and what does not!
Bad topic!
Devs don't want to hear this crap that what pm's
Are for and ops and such I understand you but worthless topic and it only benefits you and not the community!
You can't even follow edicit
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I had the same problem as you a while back. In my opinion, if you are rooted you have already done the hard work. You now have a custom recovery with nandroid, a godsend, which you can use to fall back on if anything were to go wrong. My advice would be to just take the plunge. Grab a handful of ROMS that sound suitable to your needs and start to flash them. If you get stuck in bootloops or the ROM isn't what you want, all you have to do is nandroid and start over. I would recommend to give each ROM at least 2 battery cycles before you decide. On my setup, it seems to take a bit to "settle in". I think if you tried to make tables of ALL possibilities it would be mind boggling to sift through.
I realize this isn't a direct answer to your question, its just my thoughts. Hope it helps and good luck!
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We take a stock Rom and a stock kernel and twist the hell out of it way beyond its means and then ***** about what works and what does not!
Bad topic!
Devs don't want to hear this crap that what pm's
Are for and ops and such I understand you but worthless topic and it only benefits you and not the community!
You can't even follow edicit
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To the Op, If its sense based, nothing will be broken. If the rom is AOSP, then 4G and HDMI are broken, however Cyanogenmod is the only AOSP rom with a semi-functional 4G. Also if the rom is Gingerbread 4G, and HDMI are broken, and likewise again, Cyanogenmod 7 is the only Gingerbread mod with a semi-working 4G. The way the ROM's work right now unless its an alpha wimax ROM for AOSP, then flashing a different kernel won't affect the features of the ROM, unless you forgot to wipe before flashing. You can simplify your list down to 2 categories Sense and AOSP, if its SENSE everything works, if its AOSP, 4g and HDMI are broken, and under the AOSP you can list the 2 Alpha releases of wimax for Cyanogen.
Simply put, if you want everything to work, then try these Sense based Roms:
Mikfroyo: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=883026
Myn's Warm: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=793471
Calkulin's EVIO: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=745205
If you don't mind not having 4G(or don't live in a 4G area), and don't plan to use HDMI, then check out these AOSP Roms:
MIUI: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=915527
Cyanogen mod 6: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=735596
Evervolv (gingerbread): http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=878020
Cyanogen mod7 (gingerbread): 2 Links below
ROM: http://mirror.teamdouche.net/?type=nightly&device=supersonic
GAPPS: http://goo-inside.me/gapps/gapps-gb-20110120-signed.zip
*****To eVoKINGS******
Learn manners please KINGS, the guy thought he had the correct section, and apologized if it was the incorrect section and requested it be moved. If you don't like it don't post in it, he was already informed by others that it was the incorrect section, and then you had to try and jump down his throat about it.
Your posts are composed like they belong to a 12 year old kid googling words to sound older. You can't blame it on auto-correct, I use my EVO to compose a-lot of text messages and the words are never misspelled because I proof read what I type with it, so that I don't come across jabbering like an idiot.
And yes i realize my retort back at Kings is completely contradictory to what I had just typed.
Thanks so much. I was just trying to help the 'tweeners' in my position, those who have some but not too much experience with roms. And the entire reason I even asked/bothered to offer my time was because each ROM thread has numerous issues that are hard to decipher as being general widespread issues, or single isolated issues, and the process of sifting through gargantuan threads is pretty tedious.
small example: some roms have keyboard display issues
But I digress
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And to eVoKings, yeah it's awesome that you take a kernel and rom and twist the hell out of it, but in the end I'm the one using the kernel/rom and still want it to be fully functional (and everybody has a different definition of what exactly that constitutes). I'm honestly surprised at the amount of people who actually THANK devs, it's great. But you have to learn to take criticism too (even if it's free)
this belongs in the androdev forum but i cannot post there so here goes,
word of warning NEITHER of these roms work both have process.android.phone has stopped, followed by, you have inserted a sim card you must restart phone, unless you know what you are doing stick to either aokp or cyano9 if you really want working ics.
counting down to cm10 XD
lol :banghead:
sent mysteriously via OTA
OT
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lol :banghead:
sent mysteriously via OTA
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did you know: flashing non stock ROMs is evil anyway :silly:
no way,, didnt htc send out an apb saying that custom roms are kewl and sense sucks A**, damn mayhaps i should shrink back to froyo,,,, or i could not be a douchebag and actually tell people my experiences using ROMs to save people time and effort downloading things that dont work? (im not having ago at anyone i just cant stand people making pointless comments when im only trying to help) :good:
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no way,, didnt htc send out an apb saying that custom roms are kewl and sense sucks A**, damn mayhaps i should shrink back to froyo,,,, or i could not be a douchebag and actually tell people my experiences using ROMs to save people time and effort downloading things that dont work? (im not having ago at anyone i just cant stand people making pointless comments when im only trying to help) :good:
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sorry, no offense intended. But look: if you read through those threads you will find many people having problems (some ROM or bug related, some individually related to ppls setups or they mess things up whatever).
I guess a lot of people I know and read of here at XDA do exactly the same thing as I do: either having a good read through the whole thread or staying on the safe side by having a full nandroid backup or asking the people using the ROM or - what I most likely will do: all of that
In other words: all of those ROMs have issues - some might be minimal or even don't show up for most of the people while others can't even considered as an alpha release as important things simply don't work.
This has been the long story - like I said: no offense (but I won't drop my sarcasm, sorry).
And please...: This is NOT pointless. On top of the OP of the Gummy ROM even my grandma could read (in BIG letters):
Rom experiment (oh but wait... it's not in red... and not blinking... so probably he doesn't mean "experiment" - he just wrote that for fun... )
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furthermore if you really like to help it wouldn't hurt to be more specific. At least for Oxygen you should be aware of that there's another ROM (2.3.7) - could lead into confusion
To the op, see you in another 4 months when you open your next pointless thread..........
You only need 10 posts to post in the dev section which isn't that hard to get is it? Your already halfway there........
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usually im not the first to respond to a rom, at the time of the original post no one had given a response to oxygen (ics) and in the main thread someone asked if it was stable etc. Having tested and reverted (yes with my nandroid backup)i imparted MY experience with both as no one else seemed to bother. and in all fairness probs saved alot of people who have capped internet time and bandwidth.
yes im aware of the big EXPERIMENT sign, insulting my understanding of English is poor play, as you should know experiment explains NOTHING more than "this is a test" it does not go into what works and what doesnt (wonders how many people downloaded gummy since the 5th and were impressed till they got a phone call) someone asked a question and i replied.
i know i need to make ten posts to be able to post in dev,
just seems everytime i do i get abuse from a bunch of elitists,
like you didnt all start somewhere
peace
EDIT: if you look at the roms thread you will see the reply to "is it stable" is infact a link to this thread, so yes your comments were POINTLESS
lol more now :banghead: I'm getting headache with all my headbanging.
MokeeOs
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usually im not the first to respond to a rom, at the time of the original post no one had given a response to oxygen (ics) and in the main thread someone asked if it was stable etc. Having tested and reverted (yes with my nandroid backup)i imparted MY experience with both as no one else seemed to bother. and in all fairness probs saved alot of people who have capped internet time and bandwidth.
yes im aware of the big EXPERIMENT sign, insulting my understanding of English is poor play, as you should know experiment explains NOTHING more than "this is a test" it does not go into what works and what doesnt (wonders how many people downloaded gummy since the 5th and were impressed till they got a phone call) someone asked a question and i replied.
i know i need to make ten posts to be able to post in dev,
just seems everytime i do i get abuse from a bunch of elitists,
like you didnt all start somewhere
peace
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no worries - really - and yes "elitists" might of course match - as this is XDA Developers a place where most people aren't developers but elitists but it is not the Google Play Store (where you expect things to work and otherwise give a low rating and a negative comment). I appreciate that there are people over here (like you) who want to help - that's a good thing. On the other hand (almost) everything here goes over modding, hacking, tweaking, making your phone your own and I seriously doubt that many of the users here think you could try any of those custom ROMs without any risk. So to make it a bit clearer and to be absolute honest (hey and still no offense intended and really, really no worries): my personal opinion, my initial and very first thought when I did read your post was: this post is pointless. yup - that's all. Just take your time a few weeks (in case you like to participate - looks like you do) and you probably will understand what I mean...
OMG I'm already letting the troll out again... Like I said: all good - don't take it too serious
I understand, after 2+ years, that ROM development and the forums for the EVO are gonna slow down. Devs are going to move on to other devices, but there is a really disturbing trend here that is irritating the hell out of me.
ROMs used to be released as Aplha's Beta's RC's, final, etc. You could look at the OP and see everything about the ROM. Devs took their time crafting something unique.
Now, I'm seeing these ROMS come out at a rapid pace and I'm not liking it for several reasons.
1) Poorly written OP's that don't even list the Android base version or the kernel, etc.
2) The same ROM with different names and the only real differences are a few 3rd party apps, or a slight theme change.
3) ROMs released as finals, with a ton of bugs. I'm not talking about FFC, Netflix, 4G bugs on ICS/JB ROMS; I'm talking about ROMS with no Wifi, for example. The majority use WiFi. Why the HELL would you release something where one of the most important aspects doesn't even work?? It's like not paying attention to details is suddenly OK
Settings that don't stick. Sounds that don't stick. Constant System Process Errors. These are pre-release errors, and I don't see them getting fixed, because it's become like a race to port every other ROM from every other device and tweak to boot up on the Evo, then letting it go.
I REALLY wish I could take the time and learn how to properly cook up my own ROM. My OCD of paying attention to details would probably make it great.
Hipkat thats the best thing ive heard in weeks,someone finally speaking out about the BS thats being posted now days and its like everyones in a race to see who can come out with the most borked roms,lol,like you said,they are all the same,except the apps and some themeing and half of them cant do that either,i'm sure this isnt meant to be a bashing session,its just getting rediculous with the drama some are causing and all the crappy ass roms being released,some guys do know what their doing,theres been 1 or 2 that i've put out that i shouldnt have,but come on guys at least take your time and try to do it right,only takes a little common sense and effort.If you havent noticed,over half the members and devs have left because of the BS,when i started doing roms,it was fun,nows its just a big joke,lol.
I dont care if anyone gets pissed about this and i'm sure they will,but oh well life goes on,you will eventually get over it.
It's definitely not a bashing, but a call for Devs to take a little more time and do it right
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It's definitely not a bashing, but a call for Devs to take a little more time and do it right
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I don't Dev, Cook, Build, Port or whatever term is used so I have alot of respect for those that do. With that being said I would also state that I am in complete agreement with you and Diablo.
I look at damned near every topic started in the Dev forum just to see what is being made. I take weeks to look at a new ROM and follow the threads to see what comes of it (with the only exception being Mazda's new CAJB ROM. On that one I went with name recognition and am pleased that I did)
In regards to the mass influx of ROMs I'll say this: If you guys don't take the time to keep up with each item you produce, work on bugs, add new options, answer questions from the users then you'll soon find yourself out of favor. Your reputation here, just like in RL, is something of value. It takes very little to earn trust, respect and loyalty. Most people will always give you the benefit of the doubt. Do something to devalue that trust and it can be nearly impossible to regain.
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I've seen devs, chefs, hackers, w/e, that make statements like "I do this for myself and just choose to share" or things to that effect. I call BS. I won't speak for anyone else but myself when I say, I do this for the thrill of it, for the challenge, to learn, and to share. I'd be lying if I said I didn't care about d/l numbers or that seeing my thanks meter grow did not give me some juvenalalistic (is that a word?) thrill. The fact is, guys like me doing this stuff get off on it...
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We know why you do it, and if you want to keep your junkies and not lose your rep, then make sure you take the time to Develop your craft and thereby make a better product for the masses...
Sorry for the rant
Well said, and nice quote from Jamie, who, btw, you notice took a lot of time with Reloaded
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Well said, and nice quote from Jamie, who, btw, you notice took a lot of time with Reloaded
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...lol, 'nuff said!
I think everyone needs to remember the difference between Development and Port / Theme / Tweak / Mod. That simple labeling would be a start
Over in Evo LTE land, they have finally recognized this distinction by creating entirely separate forums for "HTC EVO 4G LTE Android Development" and "HTC EVO 4G LTE Original Android Development"
One is for tweaks or ports, and the other is for people who actually compile something.
I made a request for the same original dev section but got denied as our device is to old.
I agree that there are a ton of ports and not enough originality or bugs being fixed. What I would like to state us that the op is stating that a lot have some third party apps but that's like calling the kettle black. You yourself have a rerelease of a miui from where all you did was slap your team name in the thread. I believe the original thread still exists. I'm not calling you out at all but at the same time the work that goes into all these ports or mods or what not is a ton. I myself have my rom thread and some new stuff coming out but I don't call people out usually on their stuff unless its a pure kang(meaning an actual using of ur work with out permission) not a duplicate port.
Yeah some of the revs here could put a little more work in and for sure learn to organize their rom thread a whole hell of a lot better but at the same time who else do u see bringing the newest and best to a two year old device.
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It's not that they have 3rd party apps, all ROMS do, it's that some ROMS are just the same ROM with a few different 3rd party apps, or a slight variation in theming, and I mean real slight, but tbh, my biggest beef was with the OP not even listing what kernel is in the ROM, or if it has A2SD or a way to get it working, or the version of Android it's based on, etc.
Add in bug reports that get ignored or the person posting the report gets demeaned for it.
Mostly, it's just the sloppiness that I see going on over the last few months. Too hasty to release something without really perfecting it first
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It's not that they have 3rd party apps, all ROMS do, it's that some ROMS are just the same ROM with a few different 3rd party apps, or a slight variation in theming, and I mean real slight, but tbh, my biggest beef was with the OP not even listing what kernel is in the ROM, or if it has A2SD or a way to get it working, or the version of Android it's based on, etc.
Add in bug reports that get ignored or the person posting the report gets demeaned for it.
Mostly, it's just the sloppiness that I see going on over the last few months. Too hasty to release something without really perfecting it first
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I can agree with that there. sloppy op's without all the listings of what is added or taken out and what its running with a q & a section amoung other things.
I feel like we developers and porters alike should make a check list. Every time you want to post something, run through the list and then once everything is there, read again. If it seems like a business proposition (detailed, understandable, provocative and complete) then, that is the right moment to unleash it.
Thats exactly what i do,i make a list in notepad of what i want to do to the rom,then i go through and check it off as i go,wahla,i have a channelog,so to speak,then post it on the thread.Just like in my 4 Kornerz thread..... http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1612933
Same thing I'm gonna do as I try and update this MIUI GB ROM
What's funny is that the main reason I always hated opening ROM threads is because I'm completely OCD and feel like the posts have to make perfect sense. I try for my thread to make a little bit of sense at least at this point. And I try to keep change logs, bug reports & FAQs up to date.
But then again, I only have one ROM thread in this device section.
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Current Device: HTC EVO 4G LTE | ROM: toasted-deck CM10 | Kernel: Stock
Kernel should be listed.
a2sd included/not included AND if a specific version is known to work/not work.
Gapps included/not included (you can usually tell from the size of the ROM, but still)
SuperSU vs. Superuser
Wifi and data working/not working
Boot animation audio (can lead to uncomfortable moments when flashing in restrooms, in bed, around family or in TSA security lines--- yes, all personal experiences)
Probably much more...
RootzWiki kinda sorta tried to standardize some of that in OP headers. Would be cool to see that concept expanded in a visually pleasing manner. But, I know people like sprucing up their OP to their liking. Example:
Source: https://github.com/s...mmc-ra-recovery
Mod Type: Recovery Difficulty: Moderate Mod Status: Kang Mod Base: Carrier:
Requires Root: Yes Apply In: Fastboot Optional: Themed Optional: Android Version:
I think ports are great. If the developer is planning on just bringing it over and leaving it alone I think that's fine, but they should be upfront and say "Hey, I did this. Probably won't do any more with it myself, but anyone is welcome to add to it. Otherwise, enjoy."
What I'd really like to see is the people who respond first after an OP + OP reserved do something with that slot besides planting their flag of happening to be online at the right time (e.g. "First. Looks cool!"). They could take the lead, especially for very active developers with many ROMs and threads, to follow that thread and maintain an updated ROM Cheat Sheet/Known Fixes post. How many times have you followed the development of a ROM and things like the new boot animation didn't make it into the next update because the developer forgot. Then people post, "Hey, what happened to the boot ani" five or six times. Then a nice person posts it on Dropbox. Then a few people say other things. Then people repeat the question. Then people point them to the Dropbox link two pages back. Repeat. Repeat. Probably wouldn't matter though since a lot of people never read the OP. They sure wouldn't read that. I'll shut up.
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Kernel should be listed.
a2sd included/not included AND if a specific version is known to work/not work.
Gapps included/not included (you can usually tell from the size of the ROM, but still)
SuperSU vs. Superuser
Wifi and data working/not working
Boot animation audio (can lead to uncomfortable moments when flashing in restrooms, in bed, around family or in TSA security lines--- yes, all personal experiences)
Probably much more...
RootzWiki kinda sorta tried to standardize some of that in OP headers. Would be cool to see that concept expanded in a visually pleasing manner. But, I know people like sprucing up their OP to their liking. Example:
Source: https://github.com/s...mmc-ra-recovery
Mod Type: Recovery Difficulty: Moderate Mod Status: Kang Mod Base: Carrier:
Requires Root: Yes Apply In: Fastboot Optional: Themed Optional: Android Version:
I think ports are great. If the developer is planning on just bringing it over and leaving it alone I think that's fine, but they should be upfront and say "Hey, I did this. Probably won't do any more with it myself, but anyone is welcome to add to it. Otherwise, enjoy."
What I'd really like to see is the people who respond first after an OP + OP reserved do something with that slot besides planting their flag of happening to be online at the right time (e.g. "First. Looks cool!"). They could take the lead, especially for very active developers with many ROMs and threads, to follow that thread and maintain an updated ROM Cheat Sheet/Known Fixes post. How many times have you followed the development of a ROM and things like the new boot animation didn't make it into the next update because the developer forgot. Then people post, "Hey, what happened to the boot ani" five or six times. Then a nice person posts it on Dropbox. Then a few people say other things. Then people repeat the question. Then people point them to the Dropbox link two pages back. Repeat. Repeat. Probably wouldn't matter though since a lot of people never read the OP. They sure wouldn't read that. I'll shut up.
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LOL, you forgot 'Lather, Rinse...'
Who else clicked the link
While I agree with the OP 100%, I think at the end of the day there is NO rule that states that you need to do all that..... This is for FREE, and therefore we should be happy with we get on our EVO's nowadays..... I wish developers took their time to put a fully detail change log, bug list Q&A's section, but honestly if we don't like the way certain devs handle their threads, then just move on to the next Rom either way I don't develop, and I can figure out most stuff regarding a Rom by myself now, so I'm just thankful for all the roms out for the og EVO.
Edit: what I would like to know is what's going on with all the Rom teams flip flopping, what's up with that? Sorry to go off topic, lol.
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Sorry, but while I appreciate the freeness of the work done and am grateful for it, there should still be enough info to identify exactly what you're getting into.
Perfect example. A lot of ICS/JB ROMS require the patched A2SD file. Good luck finding it. Why not add a link to the OP?? Same with GAPPS
And the date that it was released is much appreciated, although not as critical. The Android version if it's a Sense and/or GB ROM is definitely something that should be there, along with the kernel.
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Edit: what I would like to know is what's going on with all the Rom teams flip flopping, what's up with that? Sorry to go off topic, lol.
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Two teams merged. Some people have left teams. I myself left td to not look partial towards a certain group.
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Hi All!
First, I would like to thank everyone here at XDA for helping me into the world of ROMs. I've barely scraped the surface and already love the whole process. A BIG thanks to the devs! I can't believe how much work they put into these things and then throw them up here for free (donations hardly account for the time and effort).
So anyways, on to the topic.
I have tested out a few roms but I am still hesitant to flash too hastily. I was wondering if anyone has tried a few of the AOSP varient roms (PA 3+, Slim Beam, AOKP Task650, PAC and CM 10.1) and which is providing the best battery life while remaining nimble. I am currently running PA 3+ and I am in love with Pie and Halo. I am aware that Halo is open source. I don't want to, but I could let go of Pie. So any ideas? I own a SGH-I337.
Again thanks XDA!
Cheers
Cody
ceichel said:
Hi All!
First, I would like to thank everyone here at XDA for helping me into the world of ROMs. I've barely scraped the surface and already love the whole process. A BIG thanks to the devs! I can't believe how much work they put into these things and then throw them up here for free (donations hardly account for the time and effort).
So anyways, on to the topic.
I have tested out a few roms but I am still hesitant to flash too hastily. I was wondering if anyone has tried a few of the AOSP varient roms (PA 3+, Slim Beam, AOKP Task650, PAC and CM 10.1) and which is providing the best battery life while remaining nimble. I am currently running PA 3+ and I am in love with Pie and Halo. I am aware that Halo is open source. I don't want to, but I could let go of Pie. So any ideas? I own a SGH-I337.
Again thanks XDA!
Cheers
Cody
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My two favorites have always been Task650's aokp and PA 3+
Task's ROMs have always been good to me on speed, stability, and battery life.. I have had mixed results depending on the device with PA 3+.. I tested PA 3.56 the other day but I'm waiting to flash again till a few more updates hit then we'll see
I'm currently on a touchwiz rom basically for the camera and ir blaster but again if I was going run aosp again (which I'm sure I will lol ) it will be one of those 2
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My two favorites have always been Task650's aokp and PA 3+
Task's ROMs have always been good to me on speed, stability, and battery life.. I have had mixed results depending on the device with PA 3+.. I tested PA 3.56 the other day but I'm waiting to flash again till a few more updates hit then we'll see
I'm currently on a touchwiz rom basically for the camera and ir blaster but again if I was going run aosp again (which I'm sure I will lol ) it will be one of those 2
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Awesome! Thanks for the quick reply. AOKP is the top runner of ROMs I wanted to try next. Is the battery life or performance noticeably better than PA 3+?
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Awesome! Thanks for the quick reply. AOKP is the top runner of ROMs I wanted to try next. Is the battery life or performance noticeably better than PA 3+?
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I'm not sure on the newer PA as I ran the first release for the s4 but I get about 13hrs from tasks aokp and around 15 hours on touchwiz ROM.. So for me I still consider that good but you'll have to see for yourself.. Every chip and every users use is different.. Also make sure you run each ROM you try for a few days.. Kernels take a few days to really settle in and start giving you optimum battery life
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I'm not sure on the newer PA as I ran the first release for the s4 but I get about 13hrs from tasks aokp and around 15 hours on touchwiz ROM.. So for me I still consider that good but you'll have to see for yourself.. Every chip and every users use is different.. Also make sure you run each ROM you try for a few days.. Kernels take a few days to really settle in and start giving you optimum battery life
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Thanks! Anyone else try CM 10.1 or slim beam?
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Thanks! Anyone else try CM 10.1 or slim beam?
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Many people have tried them. Read the threads and test them out. It all comes down to personal preference, which is why these types of threads are not allowed.
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Many people have tried them. Read the threads and test them out. It all comes down to personal preference, which is why these types of threads are not allowed.
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Oh. Sorry. Didn't see that in the thread rules. As I said I'm still a little nervous to flash hastily. /killthread
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Oh. Sorry. Didn't see that in the thread rules. As I said I'm still a little nervous to flash hastily. /killthread
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The only way to calm those nerves is to just read read read. And then bite the bullet and flash. You'll realize how easy it is once you actually understand what you're doing and not just listening to "customer reviews".
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Thanks! Anyone else try CM 10.1 or slim beam?
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I've got CM 10.1 running on mine and I like it. A few things I miss over stock but I'm sure they will be brought back. Although with the newest nightly release I am not having any trouble anymore. Battery life is pretty on par with stock, I'm sure I could adjust settings but I am still getting used to it. Reminds me of more of a computer setup which I like. Oh and I did a few tweaks on it and when connected to good internet it is lightning fast on the download/browser side and just fast and smooth in general.
As far as flashing it, it was a piece of cake.
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Many people have tried them. Read the threads and test them out. It all comes down to personal preference, which is why these types of threads are not allowed.
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i, for one, look for these type of threads if i've been away a while and want to find out what roms are most stable/popular right now. i never understood why this question was so taboo around here. not everyone wants to or has the time to read pages upon pages before we flash.
thank you to all the devs/testers/members for always making this such an amazing place
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i, for one, look for these type of threads if i've been away a while and want to find out what roms are most stable/popular right now. i never understood why this question was so taboo around here. not everyone wants to or has the time to read pages upon pages before we flash.
thank you to all the devs/testers/members for always making this such an amazing place
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So you don't have the time to read through a thread regarding a ROM that a dev took the time to make for you, but you have plenty of time to go and flash it? What a way to thank them that is. Cause saying "thank you to all the devs" is a cop out. And ending a post like that with that sentence is just a slap in the face to every one of those individuals.
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i, for one, look for these type of threads if i've been away a while and want to find out what roms are most stable/popular right now. i never understood why this question was so taboo around here. not everyone wants to or has the time to read pages upon pages before we flash.
thank you to all the devs/testers/members for always making this such an amazing place
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If there were hundreds of ROMs available for each device, I could understand allowing these type of threads. The simple fact is with only a (relatively) small selection, the debate of "which ROM is better" is just so independent of user habits and preferences that they really hold no merit. Look at how long the "Ford or Chevy" debate has been going on.... If you're looking for a ROM that has specific features such as PIE, or Halo; that just lowers the number of available ROMs pretty drastically. How time-consuming is it to read a ROM's OP, which usually shows known bugs, and then test-drive a few of the ROMs to see which you prefer? With the right apps, it shouldn't take more than 5 or 10 minutes to have a clean-flashed ROM feeling like you've been using it for days. As for rooted/stock TW, look at the mods that are included. If it looks appealing, try it out. The amount of ROMs available with specific features relative to other ROMs is so small that it really shouldn't take more than a week to determine which ROM(s) you prefer; battery life not withstanding. Notice I didn't say which one would become your daily driver or favorite As for battery life, user's definition of "heavy use" differs pretty greatly. I personally put my phone through some "heavy use" today; almost 2 hours screen-on time. To someone else that would be classified as moderate, etc.
My advice, which really doesn't amount to much of anything, but still.... pick your ROM the same as you would pick your device; which choice provides (in good working condition) the features I want most? Second choice would be "Out of the ROMs which provide the specific features I want, from which ROM did I notice the best battery life?"
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So you don't have the time to read through a thread regarding a ROM that a dev took the time to make for you, but you have plenty of time to go and flash it? What a way to thank them that is. Cause saying "thank you to all the devs" is a cop out. And ending a post like that with that sentence is just a slap in the face to every one of those individuals.
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not sure why you're so sensitive about this buddy....
you have to understand that not all of us are on the same level here. i have been a member of this community for 7 years now...longer than many. but i can't keep up with probably 90% of the users on this board. for me, i am just never going to be able to keep up to date on everything currently going on in dev world. It takes me MANY hours when i come back to the board to find something out, flash a rom, pick a new phone, etc. i just do not have time to really read through every thread on every rom i am considering. i'm not a high enough user or up to date enough that when i read about one phone has from another i will understand what is different. so the only way i can really "get" what is a good rom, is by reading in a thread like this. call my praise a cop out, but i do appreciate this community and it's dev's more than you know, and i don't feel reading a 100 page thread is the way to show appreciation.
I completely understand both sides of this argument. I think we should respect the devs whole heartily. But what's the matter with getting some personal opinions from a few other users? Maybe create a thread specifically from ROM reviews. I have done a considerable amount of reading and as I said I feel that I have barely scratched the surface. This is a process with a steep learning curve and I believe it should be a main purpose of a forum devoted to android and development that people should be able to ask other users their opinion. I will not create part such as this any more because it is not allowed, but I do not see the harm.
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you said one word in your post that is exactly the type of word that i think is why people do NOT like these kinds of threads: REVIEWS.
and i get that. all of these devs work hard and they put a lot of themselves out there for the world....to potentially be judged, to some extent, by noobs like us, that don't know any better, and couldn't do any better. And yes, some devs are ahead of others, but this forum has always been gracious and respectful to ALL devs and all dev work. And i have seen threads with polls of which users use which rom, and i think having some roms out there to just be judged, bashed, or ignored, is partly why the community disapproves of any thread that might "discuss" a which ROM is best type of conversation. I think there is a way to do it and still be very helpful to some, and more importantly, respectful to all.
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I completely understand both sides of this argument. I think we should respect the devs whole heartily. But what's the matter with getting some personal opinions from a few other users? Maybe create a thread specifically from ROM reviews. I have done a considerable amount of reading and as I said I feel that I have barely scratched the surface. This is a process with a steep learning curve and I believe it should be a main purpose of a forum devoted to android and development that people should be able to ask other users their opinion. I will not create part such as this any more because it is not allowed, but I do not see the harm.
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A thread which reviews different ROMs sounds good in theory. A one-stop place to quickly scan through the pro's and con's of each ROM and read what other users are saying about each ROM does seem like a good idea. But think of 2 weeks from now; when most every ROM has posted an updated version, merged new changes, fixed certain bugs, introduced new bugs, and added new features. Within a month's time it would become so cluttered and disjointed that new members/device owners would just post a new thread asking the same exact question because it's faster than reading through 100 pages of the original topic. A ROM review thread would almost certainly be just like each individual ROM's development thread put into one place. Way too long to read, one user complaining, a handful echoing the complaint, another handful giving praise, etc.
On an unrelated note, if I remember correctly, there is a thread here on the AT&T side saying something like "Noob friendly, no question too stupid" or something. Instead of posting new threads about the same tiresome topics, why not find a relevant thread and post the question there? Example: if you want clarification on how to root your device, post it in an already established rooting thread. If you want to know which recovery is best or suggestions on what ROM to flash, try a noob-friendly "ask any question" thread.
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A thread which reviews different ROMs sounds good in theory. A one-stop place to quickly scan through the pro's and con's of each ROM and read what other users are saying about each ROM does seem like a good idea. But think of 2 weeks from now; when most every ROM has posted an updated version, merged new changes, fixed certain bugs, introduced new bugs, and added new features. Within a month's time it would become so cluttered and disjointed that new members/device owners would just post a new thread asking the same exact question because it's faster than reading through 100 pages of the original topic. A ROM review thread would almost certainly be just like each individual ROM's development thread put into one place. Way too long to read, one user complaining, a handful echoing the complaint, another handful giving praise, etc.
On an unrelated note, if I remember correctly, there is a thread here on the AT&T side saying something like "Noob friendly, no question too stupid" or something. Instead of posting new threads about the same tiresome topics, why not find a relevant thread and post the question there? Example: if you want clarification on how to root your device, post it in an already established rooting thread. If you want to know which recovery is best or suggestions on what ROM to flash, try a noob-friendly "ask any question" thread.
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Well said. I'll check out the mentioned thread. Thanks!
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Thanks! Anyone else try CM 10.1 or slim beam?
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Love slimbean loyal user ran it on my last 3 devices use it current very stable if u like the smaller DPI like I do its great and never seen a bug that wasn't an upstream issue
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