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Nexus One Performs Like 4G

I did a test with my nexus one and G2, I don't know how but my Nexus still out performed my G2 Am I Glad To Be An Owner Of A Nexus1
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I live in a suburb of Boston and have great HSPA+ service. My N1 is getting on average during peak hours 4.2 DL and a constant 1.3 UL. I am very happy with those numbers. T-Mobile has a solid Network and blows away AT&T, Sprint and Verizon in my area. I live only 10 miles out of Boston and one mile away from RT 128. Suppose to be strong areas for all the Carriers.
Thank You T-Mobile.

Confused
If the T-mobile or Att network your using has an average of 7.2mbps or less, wont the Nexus One get the exact same download speed as any HSPA+ phone?
The only time an HSPA+ phone would ever "outpace" the N1 in download speed would be if the network is built up past 7.2mbps right? Like if the average speed was 10mbps THEN the HSPA+ would finally kick in but until 7.2mbps the Nexus One will keep up with any HSPA+ phone right?

I didn't know the G2 was LTE enabled
HSDPA+ is 3G btw.

I don't know, my thoughts were G2: better phone, better performance. LOL (Simpled Minded) Huh? It doesn't make sense to buy a 4G phone then! Forget 4G
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LOL at thinking those measly speeds are 4G!
4G speeds are more like 30MB/s down and 15MB/s up.
Look at some of the Verizon LTE (a TRUE 4G network) speed tests.

GldRush98 said:
LOL at thinking those measly speeds are 4G!
4G speeds are more like 30MB/s down and 15MB/s up.
Look at some of the Verizon LTE (a TRUE 4G network) speed tests.
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Well even Verizon's LTE network is still around 7-12 Mbit, not MB/sec... and no where near true "4G."
The ITU's newest standard now allows "evolved 3G technologies" such as HSPA+ to eventually qualify for "4G" nomenclature, but this is still quite some time from now, given that it's roughly 1/10 of the required speed for mobile applications. What's funny, though, is that T-Mobile's HSPA+ is generally faster than Sprint's WiMAX in many areas, despite the fact that under the old classification system WiMAX could eventually become 4G whereas HSPA+ could not.
IMT-Advanced basically became what the old "4G" classification was, including the 100 Mbit mobile and 1 Gbit fixed speed requirements, as well as goodies like VoIP and OFDMA.

Wow Professor Will, So All This Hype About 4G is probably for months or even years to come! I'm not buying another supposedly 4G Phone until its like an guarantee that I see a huge difference in speed!
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wtharden said:
Wow Professor Will, So All This Hype About 4G is probably for months or even years to come! I'm not buying another supposedly 4G Phone until its like an guarantee that I see a huge difference in speed!
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yeah pretty much, i thought it was common knowledge for all of us phone geeks. tmobile's 4g is nothing but 3G HSPA. and unless the towers have enough backhaul to support fast speeds, a 3G phone will perform like a 4G phone until the theoretical limits for each are hit. havent seen that happen anywhere yet in the USA that i can tell. its all gimmic marketing crap.

RogerPodacter said:
yeah pretty much, i thought it was common knowledge for all of us phone geeks. tmobile's 4g is nothing but 3G HSPA. and unless the towers have enough backhaul to support fast speeds, a 3G phone will perform like a 4G phone until the theoretical limits for each are hit. havent seen that happen anywhere yet in the USA that i can tell. its all gimmic marketing crap.
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Call it what you want, I'm very happy with T-Mobile. In my area they are faster then all others. They have the best plans and prices blow all others away. I think if more people gave them a chance they would be very happy. Not to mention they support the Nexus One.

vinnyjr said:
Call it what you want, I'm very happy with T-Mobile. In my area they are faster then all others. They have the best plans and prices blow all others away. I think if more people gave them a chance they would be very happy. Not to mention they support the Nexus One.
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+1 Also, very satisfied with TMobile in my area!

galaxys said:
+1 Also, very satisfied with TMobile in my area!
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+2 dittos.

vinnyjr said:
Call it what you want, I'm very happy with T-Mobile. In my area they are faster then all others. They have the best plans and prices blow all others away. I think if more people gave them a chance they would be very happy. Not to mention they support the Nexus One.
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I'm very impressed with t-mobile and give them all the credit in the world for what they've done with their data speeds. ATT is a joke when it comes to being a leader like that. They do nothing but follow the other carriers and react rather than set the standard. But I'm sad t-mobile started this fake 4g thing.

Extremely satisfied with my Nexus One on TMO. I'm roughly 20 miles north west from northeastern Philly and just like the other users have said T-Mobile has the best coverage in my area compared to Verizon and AT&T. My work phone is a Blackberry Tour running on Verizon's network and the network coverage blows compared to T-Mobile's in my area.
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Rogers in canada is crazy fast... It seems my upload is capped at 1mbit up but download speeds have gotten upwards of 4 even 5 mbit down!
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Here's a quick fact about 4G

AT&T hasn't enabled 4G on any device because they haven't FINISHED setting it up yet. Give them time, you guys are so impatient about this 4G garbage, there is a reason why they're taking their time, did you guys forget what happened with the iPhone when it started to use 3G. They're going to make sure they won't get flooded and they'll have enough to go around. I've got a few friends that work for the network engineering department and i've been told by them that the network isn't fully set so 4G isn't fully activated yet. Quit complaining, it's a good thing that its not up yet because then you guys would REALLY *****!

the phone is called 'atrix 4g' and they are toting it as a 4g phone. How unreasonable that we might have expectations of it.. lolz

4G meaning it has the capability to do 4G! Doesn't mean it will have it right off the bat...you know when you buy the phone AT&T tells you that the 4G network isn't up. If you bought it without paying attention on what the guys told you, then it is all your fault for buying it thinking it will have 4G instantly... just give them time, AT&T is always known to have the most efficient network out of all. May not be the most reliable but they are the fastest.

Mafisometal said:
..May not be the most reliable but they are the fastest.
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someone is wrong on the internet, i'm calling the 4chan police.

1. Its not.capable of 4g. The htc thunderbolt is the only 4g phone. Do some research
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Will hspa+ even come close to Verizon's lte?
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LTE has currently a download peak of 326.4 Mbps (40.8 Mbps real time-speed) also counting that LTE is using a 1.4-20 MHz frequency range. LTE would have higher speed capabilities if it wasn't being hogged by the air interference, then it would possibly run at 71 Mbps real-time speed
HSPA+ is still in development and running at a download peak of 672Mbps (84 Mbps real-time speed) also counting that HPSA+ is only using a 5 MHz frequency range.
These aren't the exact fact of what AT&T or Verizon has but it is the capability, LTE has been live since 2004 globaly while HSPA+ has only been up since 2009. LTE is becoming old while HSPA WILL be the future. Just because LTE is currently faster doesn't mean it will be for long. When HSPA+ goes fully live with AT&T you may see a quicker speed, There are networks around the world that put HSPA+ up currently at 42 Mbps real-time

What if the Thunderbolt wouldn't have LTE until next year?
It would be laughed to the curb. The only reason people still by atrixs is because we've become accustomed to AT&T being a bunch of greedy cheapskates.

At&T says you "might see speeds up to approximately 6mbps [at best]"
http://www.wireless.att.com/answer-...locale=&_dyncharset=UTF-8&solutionId=KB115947
(the link isn't broken, just click on it, and wait about 5 secs.

The funniest thing is that 4G in the USA isn't the same as in Sweden. We've got 4G here as well. But the thing is that your 4G is about the same as your 3G if I ain't misinformed.
Our 4G is <80Mbit/s
http://www.tele2.se/mobilt-bredband/4g.html?cmpid=se.search.2011.s.google.cpc

also i forgot to say, AT&T will be using HSPA+ as an addon because LTE will soon be introduced to them sometime at the end of this year....so yeah utilizing more antennas meaning more speeds... =)

Yeah, I don't think people are as upset about not getting 4G speeds as they are upset about very often not even getting 3G speeds. The upload speeds on this phone are atrocious, and quite often the download speeds are as well.
But, hey, thanks for your post containing information we all already know.

Mafisometal said:
AT&T hasn't enabled 4G on any device because they haven't FINISHED setting it up yet. Give them time, you guys are so impatient about this 4G garbage, there is a reason why they're taking their time, did you guys forget what happened with the iPhone when it started to use 3G. They're going to make sure they won't get flooded and they'll have enough to go around. I've got a few friends that work for the network engineering department and i've been told by them that the network isn't fully set so 4G isn't fully activated yet. Quit complaining, it's a good thing that its not up yet because then you guys would REALLY *****!
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It's funny that you titled this "quick fact" when you haven't stated any facts whatsoever. You sound like an AT&T press statement. Plus, you can't compare the Atrix, or the Inspire for that matter, to the iPhone. Whereas the iPhone had sold over a million in the first 3 months of it's release, I doubt the Atrix and Inspire will reach 100,000 in that same time frame combined. This was deceptive marketing, plain and simple. AT&T covers their butt with small print and they more than likely trained the employees to avoid discussion on actual H+ rollout. There's a reason the story made it to Engadget and other tech sites when it was found that data speeds were capped on these phones, it's because AT&T didn't want anyone to know.

The major complaint isn't not having 4G its ATT capping our upload and giving all the bandwidth to their favorite child the iphone. Its just a bit upsetting that I pay the same monthly as any iphone user out there yet I get subpar service. I think what we all want is to have service like what is given to iphoners and that alone would quiet the masses about the lack of 4G.
PS. I live in Orlando a place I was told numerous times was a test city for their 4G yet no 4G here all I'm left with is a crippled 3G network that I no longer get good signal inside my own home. I think that's evetyones gripe with ATT
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jange said:
The funniest thing is that 4G in the USA isn't the same as in Sweden. We've got 4G here as well. But the thing is that your 4G is about the same as your 3G if I ain't misinformed.
Our 4G is <80Mbit/s
http://www.tele2.se/mobilt-bredband/4g.html?cmpid=se.search.2011.s.google.cpc
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The thing is that theres more than 200million wireless users in America and have to share the OTA data bandwidth. In Sweden theres a lot less people therefore everyone gets faster speeds.

For all those who are saying be patient. What if you went out and bought a new Ferrari capable of going 200mph. Only to find out the factory limited it to only 70mph. Here you are getting passed on the highway every day by moms in their mini vans. All the while you're being told by the factory that eventually we'll take off the governor so just sit there and shut up. I think you would be a bit upset.

the OP sounds like a AT&T rep...

drock212 said:
The major complaint isn't not having 4G its ATT capping our upload and giving all the bandwidth to their favorite child the iphone. Its just a bit upsetting that I pay the same monthly as any iphone user out there yet I get subpar service. I think what we all want is to have service like what is given to iphoners and that alone would quiet the masses about the lack of 4G.
PS. I live in Orlando a place I was told numerous times was a test city for their 4G yet no 4G here all I'm left with is a crippled 3G network that I no longer get good signal inside my own home. I think that's evetyones gripe with ATT
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neotekz said:
the OP sounds like a AT&T rep...
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Not to me, an ATT rep would know that ATT claims to have rolled out HSDPA+ across their entire footprint, while at the same time admitting that backhaul is far from complete. HSDPA+ is of course the justification for tagging the Atrix and Inspire as 4G.

Jim_R said:
Not to me, an Art rep would know that Art claims to have rolled out HSDPA+ across their entire footprint, while at the same time.admitting that nackhaul is far.from complete. HSDPA+ is of course the.justification for tagging the Atrix and Inspire as 4G.
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Regardless if he's a rep or not, for the most part a forum like XDA was created as an act of defiance to the restrictions that carriers and manufactures have imposed on their products. So, why would anyone want to come in here and defend AT&T, or any carrier/manufacturer? It automatically makes you sound like a "plant".
I'm not trying to negate what you are saying, I agree with you. I just wanted to throw that out there.

bsinc1962 said:
For all those who are saying be patient. What if you went out and bought a new Ferrari capable of going 200mph. Only to find out the factory limited it to only 70mph. Here you are getting passed on the highway every day by moms in their mini vans. All the while you're being told by the factory that eventually we'll take off the governor so just sit there and shut up. I think you would be a bit upset.
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Where can you go 200mph legally(or over 70 even in the US)? That's what I don't get. I understand high speed internet for home computers, you download and stream stuff all day. But on a cellphone, 3-4mbps is plenty fast.
'But I pay for 4g speeds!'​
No you don't. You pay the same as any 3g device, with the same exact service. Get over yourself.

Afraid to stay with Sprint and get the EVO 3D.

Wow i really do want this phone badly. But i'm just so afraid of sprints 3g coverage. I can barely watch a you tube video now. Anything that involves data sucks. What good is a phone if the coverage is horrable. Plus now they are really going to get hammered with to many people on the network for them to handle. Anyone else afraid of this?

I feel the same way. I live in phoenix and their 3g here (at least around my job and home) sucks balls. My friends edge tmobile phone gets better speeds.

No cause my sprints coverage has been great
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Sprint in Sacramento is kick-ass. I'm not worried.

drmacinyasha said:
Sprint in Sacramento is kick-ass. I'm not worried.
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+1 for sactown always have full bars

I posted this in another thread but it applies here too. I get crappy 3G in my area and no 4G. They are so focused on bringing 3D phones but we can't even upload/stream regular vids to YouTube with their ****ty network. Why not roll out 4G in more cities and beef it up first? T-mobile is turning up the heat with 40mb in a few cities. This proves that sprint could turn it up as well if they wanted to.
http://www.androidcentral.com/t-mob...mpaign=Feed:+androidcentral+(Android+Central)
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I do wish that the new Evo did have the LTE radio, as rumored, but I get 5Mbps in my apartment on 4G, so I'm not going to complain too much. And I have no issues with my 3G in this area, either.

The thing of it is guys, is what are our options? AT&T-Mobile or Verizon. Both with data caps, sub-par customer service(at least from my experience with the GF's iphone) and high rates. There's really no other choice.
That being said, sprint absolutely needs to step up their network. My evo will never connect to 4G. i can be sitting in downtown Dallas, TX, right in the middle of the alleged 4G coverage area and never connect. Its worthless.

I've never had an issue with 3G. Wimax is another thing. It's mostly good but I hardly use it for anything. I'm almost always in Wifi when I want to download a big file anyway. Pretty sure they are going to eventually add LTE support to their towers since Wimax is ok for cheaply blanketing an area in Wifi-like coverage but isn't so great in big buildings and they are dependent on Clearwire's oversubscribed network.
For all the talk of "why are they worrying about 3D phones and stuff like that", they need to stay up on the flashy new handsets because that is what gets them subscribers. This is their chance to really make or break their company with the playing field narrowing soon. AT&T proved with the iPhone that folks will put up with all kinds of crap for a must-have handset so they need to keep putting out exclusives that stand out in the market in order to stay attractive to customers.
Moving to another company would cost me a lot more per month and add a data cap so I am not going anywhere soon. I used to have T-Mobile to fall back on if Sprint ever pissed me off but with them being bought up, it's time to double down on Sprint.

Since when does VZW have a data cap? And I dont mean some data cap that "may" come at some point down the road. At this point the data is still unlimited.

I live in KC, which is basically saying the Sprint HQ (overland park is a division of KC) and the service here could def be better. 3g is no too bad, unless you go to Overland Park. Which is funny, because your IN the campus, and service blows. 4g... you pretty much have to be downtown to really make it "better" than 3g. I too find it odd that t-mo can ramp up 3g speeds to topple our 4g. Co worker has tmo and he dominates me in d/l speed. Somehow for him that equates to his mytouch slide 4g being better than my evo, but then again he does have a wicked self idolize-ing issue.

SilverStone641 said:
The thing of it is guys, is what are our options? AT&T-Mobile or Verizon. Both with data caps, sub-par customer service(at least from my experience with the GF's iphone) and high rates. There's really no other choice.
That being said, sprint absolutely needs to step up their network. My evo will never connect to 4G. i can be sitting in downtown Dallas, TX, right in the middle of the alleged 4G coverage area and never connect. Its worthless.
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what part of downtown? i can sit over by the opera house and get 4g.

Ok guys, relax. It's one of two things if you are getting slow 3g speeds.
First, Sprint is actually growing again. In some areas it's growing so much that the existing network is at capacity. It's being addressed.
Or, it's a bug with some phones on 3.70 or 3.70 based ROMs. It's being addressed in the next update (not sure if it's going to be gingerbread or not)

clamknuckle said:
Ok guys, relax. It's one of two things if you are getting slow 3g speeds.
First, Sprint is actually growing again. In some areas it's growing so much that the existing network is at capacity. It's being addressed.
Or, it's a bug with some phones on 3.70 or 3.70 based ROMs. It's being addressed in the next update (not sure if it's going to be gingerbread or not)
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Not disagreeing at all with your points, but the max capacity is what the op is saying he's/she's afraid of. I've seen extremely slow coverage expansion of 4g in KC, while other carries have been going hard at it. It's doubtful they are expanding 3g much anymore since 4g is the "new baby." I like Sprint don't get me wrong, but if the op is more concerned with coverage, and the fact that we face $10 a month for 4g coverage, he may very well be better off with another carrier.

You all act like Sprint could revamp their entire network overnight if they wanted. I know for fact they are working on it, and I see signs of improvement all the time. I can get 2Mb downloads now on 3g in several locations in my city where 2-3 months ago I was lucky to get 200k. Maybe they could make people happier faster in the short term by taking shortcuts, but it looks like they're doing it right. So have patience or gtfo.
http://newsroom.sprint.com/press_kits.cfm?presskit_id=19

xviiivx said:
You all act like Sprint could revamp their entire network overnight if they wanted. I know for fact they are working on it, and I see signs of improvement all the time. I can get 2Mb downloads now on 3g in several locations in my city where 2-3 months ago I was lucky to get 200k. Maybe they could make people happier faster in the short term by taking shortcuts, but it looks like they're doing it right. So have patience or gtfo.
http://newsroom.sprint.com/press_kits.cfm?presskit_id=19
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Well if it's ok in your city then that should be ok for everyone worldwide then. Try growing up before posting please.

brownhornet said:
Since when does VZW have a data cap? And I dont mean some data cap that "may" come at some point down the road. At this point the data is still unlimited.
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lol there unlimited, but we can and have canceled customers for using more then 5 gb a month without a tethering plan unlimited?

aimbdd said:
lol there unlimited, but we can and have canceled customers for using more then 5 gb a month without a tethering plan unlimited?
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Supposedly Sprint also has a "cap." Never seen it myself, but that "rumor" has gone around a bit.

I feel the exact same way. My 3g is terrible, I get anywhere from 200-700 MAX DOWN and about 400 UP. No 4g at all. :/
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jlechner said:
Well if it's ok in your city then that should be ok for everyone worldwide then. Try growing up before posting please.
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Try growing up?? WTF??? Did you not click on the link to see that I was trying to provide some hope for people that are not in a good data area?
I did not even say it was ok in my city... I said there are signs of improvement and there are places that are great. I was just trying to help people out who think the network sux everywhere and Sprint is not doing anything about it anywhere... because that is wrong. They are working on it diligently.
Perhaps my "have patience or gtfo" comment was a little rude, but that sums up the situation here. The network sux. It's getting better. If you can't wait for the improvements, complaining on xda is not going to do anything for you.

Got smoked by iphone

First a little background. I live in a Wimax market. In my neighborhood, I get Wimax speeds of 6.5mpbs/1.5 mbps. In the holes, I get 3G speeds of 1.3mpbs down.
I was out with my friend (in the city center a few miles away) and she had just gotten a shiny new iphone 4 on the AT&T network. She was unsure if her phone was getting "4G" speeds since the status bar only says "3G" so I whip out my Evo to show her SpeedTest and also to gloat over my high speeds. I get something like 2.2 mpbs down.
Meanwhile, she finds Speedtest in the App Market and loads it. Not only is the App way more polished than on the Evo, her speed is 5.5mpbs down!
Blew my mind. I'm pretty happy with my phone and I don't go around comparing. This random reality check made me wonder about all the marketing hype around labels like 3G and 4G. I know 4G is a label used to describe -- or hype -- a range of speeds across carriers. I figured 3g would be at least comparable and that certainly my 4G would be faster any 3G. Not.

You should of corrected her about her "4g" speeds.

the speedtest.net app for android tends to show the download and upload speed results as being far lower than what they really are. Try doing the tests on speakeasy.

dynamicpda said:
First a little background. I live in a Wimax market. In my neighborhood, I get Wimax speeds of 6.5mpbs/1.5 mbps. In the holes, I get 3G speeds of 1.3mpbs down.
I was out with my friend (in the city center a few miles away) and she had just gotten a shiny new iphone 4 on the AT&T network. She was unsure if her phone was getting "4G" speeds since the status bar only says "3G" so I whip out my Evo to show her SpeedTest and also to gloat over my high speeds. I get something like 2.2 mpbs down.
Meanwhile, she finds Speedtest in the App Market and loads it. Not only is the App way more polished than on the Evo, her speed is 5.5mpbs down!
Blew my mind. I'm pretty happy with my phone and I don't go around comparing. This random reality check made me wonder about all the marketing hype around labels like 3G and 4G. I know 4G is a label used to describe -- or hype -- a range of speeds across carriers. I figured 3g would be at least comparable and that certainly my 4G would be faster any 3G. Not.
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her 4g doesn't stand for 4g technology, just 4th generation of the iphone, sure AT&T has better 4g speeds then sprint, inwhich is what she has, why it would have hit that high though i can't tell you.

the iphone isn't as bad as some make it out to be. im actually in the market for a 4th gen ipod touch to jailbreak and play with. ill still keep my evo though. i love trying out new devices.

Iphone is a pretty great phonwen they upgraded their networki wasgetting speeds of 5.5-6.5 mbps and in my atrix not so fast lol like 3.5-4.5
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IPhone "4g" is just marketing deception, to make unaware potential customers think its a 4g phone like evo 4g, I've had to explain to several people it means 4th generation and does not have a 4g radio. Clever move by apple though.

phatmanxxl said:
IPhone "4g" is just marketing deception, to make unaware potential customers think its a 4g phone like evo 4g, I've had to explain to several people it means 4th generation and does not have a 4g radio. Clever move by apple though.
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I wouldn't really call it a clever move. It did work out well for them, but that is just what they went with. I know there is the 3G, I'm not sure if #2 was the 2G but I'm guessing so. Lmao, on a side note I also know people who thought it meant 4 gigabyte.
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Is it even marketed as the iPhone 4G? I always hear it as the iPhone 4. Most people just assume 4G.

KB112 said:
Is it even marketed as the iPhone 4G? I always hear it as the iPhone 4. Most people just assume 4G.
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I've never heard anyone call the iPhone 4, iPhone 4g.

But try real world tests instead...both download sites instead.
I can put phone on 4G and it says 6600kbps down but doesn't download espn desktop say any faster than wifi (1500kbps).

Geez usually when im out and about I don't care about or have the time to worry about obscene download speeds, as long as my chronix radio app streams without interruption in the car and gym. At home, work, friends house and various other locations im connected to wifi.

First off everything I ever read about the iphone 4 calls it the iphone 4. I never read or heard iphone 4g till now. Here's some examples.
http://www.apple.com/iphone/
http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/22/iphone-4-review/
http://www.phonedog.com/products/apple-iphone-4-16gb-black/
The iphone4 on AT&T is a 3g phone with a 3g antenna. It's called 4 because it's the 4th generation.
1. Iphone (classic)
2. Iphone 3g (First iphone with 3g)
3. Iphone 3gs (upgraded 3g version)
4. Iphone 4 (4th generation)
Op the reason your girlfriend got better speeds with her Iphone is because it is running on AT&T's Hspa 3g network. Speed wise HSPA blows cdma out of the water. Plus you guys were probably in a HSPA+ area. HSPA+ is the so called "4g" that AT&T and T-Mobile are advertising. HSPA+ is basically 3(generation) technology on steroids. Wimax and LTE is new technology so therefore they should be consider the next or shall I say 4th generation tech.
Now the iphone 4 does not have a HSPA+ radio. But, with HSPA+ technology even older 3g radio's (HSPA) will benefit from the HSPA+ towers. So when you guys tested your phones with speedtest.net you were probably closer to an AT&T tower. Bad thing about WIMAX is the range of the towers aren't that great. But, if your close to one your in good shape.
P.S. Can't wait for evo 3d!

The only time an apple device is called "4g" is when its the 4th generation. That's how they identify their devices.
Example :
Ipod touch
ipod touch 2g
ipod touch 3g
ipod touch 4g

backdown said:
The only time an apple device is called "4g" is when its the 4th generation. That's how they identify their devices.
Example :
Ipod touch
ipod touch 2g
ipod touch 3g
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What does 3gs stand for? 3rd generation surprise?

cdszoke said:
What does 3gs stand for? 3rd generation surprise?
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I think the "S" stood for speed. The 3GS introduced a Cortex A8 based CPU (same generation as the EVO's Snapdragon).

Actually that makes sense. I realized why ppl call it 4g,I was just saying officially and unofficially I never heard the phrase

lorijuan1024 said:
Iphone is a pretty great phonwen they upgraded their networki wasgetting speeds of 5.5-6.5 mbps and in my atrix not so fast lol like 3.5-4.5
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You are nothing short of an ambassador of your service provider and fellow iPhone users....*sarcasm* go back to school. You need a serious lesson on spelling, grammar, punctuation and how not to be 10 years old.
The iPhone 4 is not compatible with HSPA+. Google it, I don't feel like it.
The explanation is that AT&T probably has better signal in that area than Sprint does. When I'm in downtown Columbus, I get 2-3mbps download speeds (on speedtest...from a chicago, IL server...hmmm). In one of the suburbs, like Gahanna, Westerville or Worthington, I routinely get 8-15mbps. Obviously, there's fewer people using those towers.
Here's that this tells me: there aren't as many AT&T subscribers in your area as there are Sprint users. And the Sprint users probably all own Epics or Evos.

Award Tour said:
I think the "S" stood for speed. The 3GS introduced a Cortex A8 based CPU (same generation as the EVO's Snapdragon).
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That's only half right. The Snapdragon CPU isn't a Cortex A8. However, like cortex A8, it's based off the ARMV7 instruction set. The qualcomm cpu core is called Scorpion and is shown to be much better at doing productivity tasks than a cortex A8.
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AbsolutZeroGI said:
You are nothing short of an ambassador of your service provider and fellow iPhone users....*sarcasm* go back to school. You need a serious lesson on spelling, grammar, punctuation and how not to be 10 years old.
The iPhone 4 is not compatible with HSPA+. Google it, I don't feel like it.
The explanation is that AT&T probably has better signal in that area than Sprint does. When I'm in downtown Columbus, I get 2-3mbps download speeds (on speedtest...from a chicago, IL server...hmmm). In one of the suburbs, like Gahanna, Westerville or Worthington, I routinely get 8-15mbps. Obviously, there's fewer people using those towers.
Here's that this tells me: there aren't as many AT&T subscribers in your area as there are Sprint users. And the Sprint users probably all own Epics or Evos.
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Hrmmm Iphone4 does not have a HSPA+ radio like I said. But HSPA+ towers does improve speed with non hspa+ phones. Let's google.
http://www.tested.com/news/tested-t-mobiles-hspa-network-vs-traditional-3g/1190/
I made my statement off of actually sources, not limited to this.

Tmobile switches on 42mbps HSPA+...Does that affect us?

http://www.engadget.com/2011/05/24/t-mobile-flips-on-42mbps-hspa-across-55-markets-to-launch-rock/
Our phones capable of taking advantage of that at all?

Maybe faster speeds? Maybe that is why my data kept dropping today.

It might mean better speeds all around, but wondering if this is something where the device/hardware has to be capable of supporting such speeds. Roommate has a g2x, being that it's so new i'm telling my roommate to run a couple speed tests. Of course he is pissing around about it.
Edit: Here in pittsburgh at 1 a.m. both our phones (g2 and g2x) are stuck on EDGE. Obviously the 3g is down for the upgrade, yay! Plus with that rocket thing coming out tomorrow, they pretty much gotta have this done over night so people dont go and buy them and ***** that the speeds aren't what they are advertised as. So if nothing else, tomorrow morning we shall see!

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It might mean better speeds all around, but wondering if this is something where the device/hardware has to be capable of supporting such speeds. Roommate has a g2x, being that it's so new i'm telling my roommate to run a couple speed tests. Of course he is pissing around about it.
Edit: Here in pittsburgh at 1 a.m. both our phones (g2 and g2x) are stuck on EDGE. Obviously the 3g is down for the upgrade, yay! Plus with that rocket thing coming out tomorrow, they pretty much gotta have this done over night so people dont go and buy them and ***** that the speeds aren't what they are advertised as. So if nothing else, tomorrow morning we shall see!
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I get almost get 4g/3g everywhere here at san diego, never goes to edge
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I get almost get 4g/3g everywhere here at san diego, never goes to edge
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Well me neither. But tonight we are stuck on EDGE. Kinda obvious that something is going on.
After reading this, i am starting to think that this will affect our devices and all 4g devices...
http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/06/t-mobile-upgrading-hspa-network-to-42mbps-this-year/

The radio on our phones still top out at 14.4 Mbps HSPA+. You may however benefit if TMobile are also upgrading the backhaul to the cell site, you may get closer to the 14 Mbps max.
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I've been getting better data speeds lately mostly between 7-9 mbps download best being 10.51 download.
before today I was consistently getting 4-6 mbps download

Of course we're not gonna see a number even close to 42mbps. When it was at 21mbps we didn't even see that. We saw numbers at 5-8 average. With the increase, hopefully Tmobile's network can go head to head with Verizon's LTE cause its damn impressive. If we can at least hit 12mbps, we'll be good!

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Of course we're not gonna see a number even close to 42mbps. When it was at 21mbps we didn't even see that. We saw numbers at 5-8 average. With the increase, hopefully Tmobile's network can go head to head with Verizon's LTE cause its damn impressive. If we can at least hit 12mbps, we'll be good!
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I think because there is a difference between mbps and MBPS. I don't think anyone thought it would go that fast from the getgo. But before I used to get 1 to 4 mbps, now since testing about twenty different times all over the city the past 12 hours, it is consistently 3 to 8 mbps. Big change here.
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I think because there is a difference between mbps and MBPS.
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The difference is b versus B (lowercase versus upper case)
Mbps = megabit per second
MBps = megabyte per second
1 Byte = 8 bits
But in talking about data transfer rates, Mbps is pretty universally used. Often, people get lazy and just type "mpbs" when it should really be "Mbps".
But technically, the lower case "m" is not correct. It symbolizes 1/1000th, like millimeter (mm). Uppercase "M" as the prefix symbolizes one million, very different. But there really is no such thing as a thousandth of a bit. So when "mbps" is typed, its usually understood that it means megabit per second.

Not for our android devices. Only for that Rocket 3.0 thing sadly.
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They keep on getting better and better with connections (4G, LTE, etc) but sometime soon the batteries need to catch up with that development. All the people I know with EVO's can barely last the day. The HTC Thunderbolt apparently has HORRENDOUS battery life when using the LTE network. Browsing and such is amazingly fast on it, but it ruins the battery life. I don't see the point in using these blazing fast speeds when the phone itself lasts half a day.

In general all this pisses me off. The connections keep getting better and faster, yet we keep getting more and more caps and restrictions placed on it to barely even utilize it. It's really getting out of control and ridiculous IMHO.

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They keep on getting better and better with connections (4G, LTE, etc) but sometime soon the batteries need to catch up with that development. All the people I know with EVO's can barely last the day. The HTC Thunderbolt apparently has HORRENDOUS battery life when using the LTE network. Browsing and such is amazingly fast on it, but it ruins the battery life. I don't see the point in using these blazing fast speeds when the phone itself lasts half a day.
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I think most people just accept that cell phones are supposed to last only a day. I dont think it's on any carriers/manufacturers priority list. It's just accepted knowledge at this point. Were not using piece of garbage clamshell razors that can last 3-4 days no more sadly I mean really when you look at how advanced and how much our phones can do, it really is a miracle of god that it can even last a day with such a small form factor and battery.

G2 and G2x can only run 14.4Mbps that's the max for our phone just the new vibrant 4G can run to 21.+Mbps and those 4G cell site upgrades aren't for the releasing of Rocket 3.0 only, android phones, tablets, web connect and anything that t-mobile sells that has web are all included.
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At least the new rate plans that rolled out Sunday have a 10GB option. I would prefer a true unlimited option, but at least it is not going the other way like ATT and Verizon with smaller data allowances and overage charges.
I do HATE the new advertising though. We are now supposed to answer the phones with "thank you for calling T-mobile, home of the $10 unlimited data plan". I'm sorry but 200MB is not even in the same ballpark of unlimited.

I can confirm speeds now of around 6-8 Mbps. Pretty nice bump. I do agree with the unlimited thing being BS. All the carriers but Sprint have jumped on the cap wagon. That being said, I'm liking the new speeds. My wife has the Thunderbolt but I can still laugh at her pathetic "3G" speeds. (LTE is not here in Portland, OR and won't be for some time) Now if we can only hit that 12 Mbps mark.....

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At least the new rate plans that rolled out Sunday have a 10GB option. I would prefer a true unlimited option, but at least it is not going the other way like ATT and Verizon with smaller data allowances and overage charges.
I do HATE the new advertising though. We are now supposed to answer the phones with "thank you for calling T-mobile, home of the $10 unlimited data plan". I'm sorry but 200MB is not even in the same ballpark of unlimited.
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How much is the ten gig plan?
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I'm in Pittsburgh (South Hills) and I've seen almost a double in data speeds since the turn on. Before, my average speed was 1-3Mb/s and 6Mb/s was something that I'd only get for wifi or maybe at like 3-4am on my way into work, I consistently hit 5-6 all afternoon yesterday. Even if we can't fully utilize it, it did benefit G2 users in some way.

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In general all this pisses me off. The connections keep getting better and faster, yet we keep getting more and more caps and restrictions placed on it to barely even utilize it. It's really getting out of control and ridiculous IMHO.
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Its exactly because speeds are getting faster that they are breaking it down to different plans. They don't want the network going down.