I am really going crazy!!!!!!!!!!!
Tonight again after 8 hours of standby it went from 100% to 70% !!!!!!!!!!!!!
This is not normal...
I only have: weather every 6 hours, facebook every 2 hours, pushmail (but usually I turn it off at night)...
I do not have data autodisconnect, but untill a few days ago I never had drain issue...
I tried monitoring battery with a bat log program, and in standby it never goes lower than -75mA...
Signal at home is eprfect, so it cannot be a signal problem...
Could it be that my battery (after 1 year an 3 months) is nearly dead and in discharging quickly? How can I verify?
I am also attaching the datalog usage and as you can see there's not many data connections going on in standby: 22Kb from 22:00 till 23:00, 1Kb from 2:00 till midnight and 96Kb in 6 hours from midnight till 06:00am. I don't think that this data usage could justify a 30% drainage in 8 hours...
Thanks
75mA drain in standby is not normal, in WM you should be at 2mA.
If you can't identify which program is not sleeping then I would flash the newest stock ROM and see if this cures the issue.
boomboomer said:
75mA drain in standby is not normal, in WM you should be at 2mA.
If you can't identify which program is not sleeping then I would flash the newest stock ROM and see if this cures the issue.
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it's not a rom problem... when I upgraded to 1.66 stock I was not having this problem... it strted recently... and 3.14 has far too many problems
thegios said:
I am really going crazy!!!!!!!!!!!
Tonight again after 8 hours of standby it went from 100% to 70% !!!!!!!!!!!!!
This is not normal...
I only have: weather every 6 hours, facebook every 2 hours, pushmail (but usually I turn it off at night)...
I do not have data autodisconnect, but untill a few days ago I never had drain issue...
I tried monitoring battery with a bat log program, and in standby it never goes lower than -75mA...
Signal at home is eprfect, so it cannot be a signal problem...
Could it be that my battery (after 1 year an 3 months) is nearly dead and in discharging quickly? How can I verify?
I am also attaching the datalog usage and as you can see there's not many data connections going on in standby: 22Kb from 22:00 till 23:00, 1Kb from 2:00 till midnight and 96Kb in 6 hours from midnight till 06:00am. I don't think that this data usage could justify a 30% drainage in 8 hours...
Thanks
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When did you format your SD card for the last time? A heavily defragmented/malfunctioning SD card can cause huge battery drainage. So, if I were you, and it's a fairly long time ago, I would format SD Card (shut down device- take out Card and put in Reader - insert in PC -right click SD card and choose formatting (slow metho/ds) - after finishing reinsert Card in device and format again with SD card formatting tool). My battery is as old as yours and my overnight drainage in standby (with data connections on) is 3-4% max.
regards, Kuzibri
kuzibri said:
When did you format your SD card for the last time? A heavily defragmented/malfunctioning SD card can cause huge battery drainage. So, if I were you, and it's a fairly long time ago, I would format SD Card (shut down device- take out Card and put in Reader - insert in PC -right click SD card and choose formatting (slow metho/ds) - after finishing reinsert Card in device and format again with SD card formatting tool). My battery is as old as yours and my overnight drainage in standby (with data connections on) is 3-4% max.
regards, Kuzibri
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Even this, I've already done it, plenty of times (I do this at elast every month or two)...
thegios said:
Even this, I've already done it, plenty of times (I do this at elast every month or two)...
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Sorry, hoped that this would be the "simple" solution of this problem. Does your battery take longer to fully charge than usual? If yes, than, certainly in combination with the drainage, I would replace the battery. Can't you borrow one to see if it's really the battery, cause that is still the best test to do? Maybe a superfluous question: did you try a hard reset?
regards, Kuzibri
Edit: forgot these two ones:
1. do you have sometimes the issue that during charging your LED goes from orange to green and back?
2. Clean the pins of the device, look if they function well and are equally high and also clean the contacts of battery with a soft clot
kuzibri said:
Sorry, hoped that this would be the "simple" solution of this problem. Does your battery take longer to fully charge than usual? If yes, than, certainly in combination with the drainage, I would replace the battery. Can't you borrow one to see if it's really the battery, cause that is still the best test to do? Maybe a superfluous question: did you try a hard reset?
I don't know any1 else with an HD1 :-(
battery charges quite quickly on the wall socket, slower via usb butbthat's normal...
hard reset?!?!?! noooooooooooooo hahahaha I'm trying to figure out what's the problem to avoid hard resetting and spending 2 days reinstalling and reconfiguring everything
regards, Kuzibri
Edit: forgot these two ones:
1. do you have sometimes the issue that during charging your LED goes from orange to green and back?
no
2. Clean the pins of the device, look if they function well and are equally high and also clean the contacts of battery with a soft clot
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will try...
btw: if I remove batt the time/date changes... is this normal?
thegios said:
will try...
btw: if I remove batt the time/date changes... is this normal?
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AFAIK, this is not normal behaviour, unless you leave it out for hours and hours.
regards, Kuzibri
To [OP]
which program did you use for the screenshot you attached ?
backlashsid said:
which program did you use for the screenshot you attached ?
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You can use the following programs for that:
1. SPB Screenshot
2. Whip2Snap
3. BsB tweaks
regards, Kuzibri
Standby is prevented
thegios said:
Tonight again after 8 hours of standby it went from 100% to 70% !!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I have observed this problem also. My tool ResInfo showed me that the device does not change to standby. Only the backlight is switched off. The histogram of the cpu load shows that every few minutes a process becomes quite briefly active. Nevertheless, I could not investigate which module was responsible for it.
Since the ROM update from 1.72 to 3.14 I have not experienced this phenomenon any more.
kuzibri said:
You can use the following programs for that:
1. SPB Screenshot
2. Whip2Snap
3. BsB tweaks
regards, Kuzibri
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man ! i know how to take the screen shot ! i meant which program to give that graph sort of data map !!!!
kuzibri said:
You can use the following programs for that:
1. SPB Screenshot
2. Whip2Snap
3. BsB tweaks
regards, Kuzibri
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actually I have used SPB WIRELESS MONITOR to log the data usage and export the log in a csv file, than imported the log in Excel, gave a little color and formatting and took a screenshot with ALT + PRINTSCREEN
ElectronX said:
I have observed this problem also. My tool ResInfo showed me that the device does not change to standby. Only the backlight is switched off. The histogram of the cpu load shows that every few minutes a process becomes quite briefly active. Nevertheless, I could not investigate which module was responsible for it.
Since the ROM update from 1.72 to 3.14 I have not experienced this phenomenon any more.
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am gonna try ur tool...
btw, dont u have any problem with 3.14?
I mean, sms, cinetic scrolling, others?
ElectronX said:
I have observed this problem also. My tool ResInfo showed me that the device does not change to standby. Only the backlight is switched off. The histogram of the cpu load shows that every few minutes a process becomes quite briefly active. Nevertheless, I could not investigate which module was responsible for it.
Since the ROM update from 1.72 to 3.14 I have not experienced this phenomenon any more.
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Hi,
how can you tell exactly that the phone is not really going to standby?
Would it be possible, in your tool, to add a log function (in csv format) for both battery drain and cpu usage?
I am currently using a task manager tool which in real time shows the running tasks and their cpu usage, but this is almost useless in standby.
What we really need is a tool that, also in standby, keeps on logging active tasks and their cpu usage into a file, let's say every 1-2-4-5-10-15-30 seconds.
thegios said:
Hi,
how can you tell exactly that the phone is not really going to standby?
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If we take the example of the original poster, after charging the battery to 100%, both counters shows 0 hours in the evening.
The next morning one would expect possibly following values:
Battery charge: 97%
Operation: 0h, 2 min, 42 sec
Standby: 8h, 42 min, 42 sec
But if you see this:
Battery charge: 70%
Operation: 8h, 45 min, 42 sec
Standby: 0h, 0 min, 0 sec
Then the device never was in the standby state.
Would it be possible, in your tool, to add a log function (in csv format) for both battery drain and cpu usage?
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Yes, this would be no problem, but...
I am currently using a task manager tool which in real time shows the running tasks and their cpu usage, but this is almost useless in standby.
What we really need is a tool that, also in standby, keeps on logging active tasks and their cpu usage into a file, let's say every 1-2-4-5-10-15-30 seconds.
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This is not possible. Because in standby state, all components of the device are switched without current. Merely the memory (RAM) is supplied still with voltage to data preservation. In addition, the CPU is switched off. Merely a separate, programmable timer and a component for monitoring of the external interfaces are still in company. Therefore, no application can be executed.Hence, such a tool can recognize only after the turning on of the device whether the battery was charged/discharged while in suspend state.
btw, dont u have any problem with 3.14?
I mean, sms, cinetic scrolling, others?
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Here in this post I have written something about this.
thegios said:
it's not a rom problem... when I upgraded to 1.66 stock I was not having this problem... it strted recently... and 3.14 has far too many problems
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I didn't mean to imply that it was the ROM causing the issue, just that a hard reset of the phone's state to a known 'good' condition would remove the doubt of a software change/corruption causing your problems.
If a hard reset and stock ROM still produce the same battery drain then your hardware maybe faulty. To eliminate a software issue try the fresh ROM for a few days without any 3rd party apps installed.
boomboomer said:
I didn't mean to imply that it was the ROM causing the issue, just that a hard reset of the phone's state to a known 'good' condition would remove the doubt of a software change/corruption causing your problems.
If a hard reset and stock ROM still produce the same battery drain then your hardware maybe faulty. To eliminate a software issue try the fresh ROM for a few days without any 3rd party apps installed.
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I may have solved the probelm: removed from auto startip the following links
DelWMPTempFolder from /windows folder
PostBootPopup from /spbbackup folder
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Hi.
i am using Touch HD with extended 2600mAH battery and lots of software but the battery barely last a day. i was hoping you could help me diagnose the problem.
configuration :
-duttys XT 3.0 using manila
-1 hour of talk time a day at the most
these are my main suspects :
-checking for mail on two accounts every half an hour
-S2U2 1.62
-phonealarm
-pocketbreeze new PB2
-touchresponse
i installed nueDynamicClock but i can't see any difference.
first of all, maybe this sounds normal to you ? maybe my device is defected ? i'm sure the battery is ok.
maybe someone knows a good battery diagnostic program...
any comments you have on any of my suspected software ?
thanks,
david
Try this, quoted from official HTC site:
My battery drains fast even without using Bluetooth, WiFi or GPS. Is there any way to check if it’s faulty or not?
1. Charge the battery to 100%. 2. Disable from running or uninstall any 3rd party applications. 3. Disable Bluetooth. 4. Disable WiFi. 5. Enable flight mode 6. Set backlight to maximum settings. 7. In the power management settings, uncheck any option that would set the backlight to turn off. 8. Let phone stay idle for 1 hour and check battery capacity. 9. If there is a loss of 40% or more, then this means that battery is faulty and needs to be replaced.
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jankos said:
Try this, quoted from official HTC site:
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Thanks for that. I've been a little concerned with my battery life so i'll give that a try later.
jankos said:
Try this, quoted from official HTC site:
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well obviously this doesn't help me too much because, as stated, the battery last almost a day with full usage so this diagnostic will be a negative... but surely something is wrong. Thanks anyway.
didn't anyone have any problems with one of the above ?
Max battery life
Battery drain in almost a day is quite normal with most of the roms
exception, i flashed Black Pearls v2.4 rom and the battery is still 20 to 30% at the end of the day. myself satisfied with the performance of this rom...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=495233
update the 3d drivers after flashing the rom
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=3059269&postcount=3
denjo said:
Battery drain in almost a day is quite normal with most of the roms
exception, i flashed Black Pearls v2.4 rom and the battery is still 20 to 30% at the end of the day. myself satisfied with the performance of this rom...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=495233
update the 3d drivers after flashing the rom
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=3059269&postcount=3
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flashing a rom just to check this seems like a overkill...
i was wondering about any diagnostic tools allowing me to see the consumption without waiting a whole day to compare, any on knows of any ?
dudikbs said:
Hi.
i am using Touch HD with extended 2600mAH battery and lots of software but the battery barely last a day. i was hoping you could help me diagnose the problem.
configuration :
-duttys XT 3.0 using manila
-1 hour of talk time a day at the most
these are my main suspects :
-checking for mail on two accounts every half an hour
-S2U2 1.62
-phonealarm
-pocketbreeze new PB2
-touchresponse
i installed nueDynamicClock but i can't see any difference.
first of all, maybe this sounds normal to you ? maybe my device is defected ? i'm sure the battery is ok.
maybe someone knows a good battery diagnostic program...
any comments you have on any of my suspected software ?
thanks,
david
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Why dont you check the idle cpu usage when your phone is on but not doing anything. It should be 98-99% most of the time. If you get high cpu usage by shell or services then it is most probably phoneAlarm or other plugins on Today screen.
If you are using wifi, make sure you set it to off when standby. (Note: If you are using AE Button (mine is v2.63) and if you use it to turn ON wifi, the wifi will not go to sleep even in standby thus draining battery)
Hi
I just purchase Topaz
also i'm new to the windows mobile phones
I'm completely like the phone but i have a weird problem with it
while i use it i notice the battery produces too much heat that i can notice
the battery can be drained very easily with any action
I just turn off my phone it was 21% charge i noticed the heating issue
and i turned it on again and the battery was 14%
just to restart my phone i lost 7%
Is the heating issue normal?
The battery drain is it normal?
Cairo_ said:
Hi
I just purchase Topaz
also i'm new to the windows mobile phones
I'm completely like the phone but i have a weird problem with it
while i use it i notice the battery produces too much heat that i can notice
the battery can be drained very easily with any action
I just turn off my phone it was 21% charge i noticed the heating issue
and i turned it on again and the battery was 14%
just to restart my phone i lost 7%
Is the heating issue normal?
The battery drain is it normal?
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Well, Its normal to get hot when taking a long call.. (10 min or more), but while in standby, it should NEVER get even WARM (mine stays cold as ice ) !!!
The power drain maybe is cuz your phone is heating.. The heat expands circuits and increase the power drain.
Cairo_ said:
Hi
I just purchase Topaz
also i'm new to the windows mobile phones
I'm completely like the phone but i have a weird problem with it
while i use it i notice the battery produces too much heat that i can notice
the battery can be drained very easily with any action
I just turn off my phone it was 21% charge i noticed the heating issue
and i turned it on again and the battery was 14%
just to restart my phone i lost 7%
Is the heating issue normal?
The battery drain is it normal?
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..the heating is normal!
Concering the battery drain is up to the rom and completly different!
cyron_at said:
..the heating is normal!
Concering the battery drain is up to the rom and completly different!
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Not normal if the phone is on stand by mode (And I believe that`s what he`s saying ) !!!
I just installed Copilot
the battery was 14%
after the installation ended and the phone restarted
it got about 4%
Also i used the MP3 player for around and hour the battery dropped about 20%
how's that?
or should i take it back? I'm still having the phone warranty
Cairo_ said:
I just installed Copilot
the battery was 14%
after the installation ended and the phone restarted
it got about 4%
Also i used the MP3 player for around and hour the battery dropped about 20%
how's that?
or should i take it back? I'm still having the phone warranty
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About using the MP3 player for 1 hour and drop 20%, its normal.
But, 14% then sunddely goes to 4% ? Thats not freaking normal...
Just take it back to warranty ok!
haranbh said:
About using the MP3 player for 1 hour and drop 20%, its normal.
But, 14% then sunddely goes to 4% ? Thats not freaking normal...
Just take it back to warranty ok!
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I wouldn't rush to send it back. It all sounds normal to me.
You must remember that the batteries will take a few weeks to attain full capacity operation.
Keep them on charge as much as you can (mains or car/plane etc), don't switch off at night, don't cycle them and don't drain them excessively.
If that does not give an improvement THEN take them back.
When I first got my TD2 I was appalled at the battery life and bought a spare battery. I have never used it.
And when they get warm it shows that they are happily being used or recharged and is no cause for concern.
Hi Cairo,
First of all, sorry for my english.
In my case, I bought my TD2 this summer, & I had some of these problems with the battery.
I'll tell you my steps, perhaps it could help you, if not, you must talk with HTC support.
First, use modaco's nodata to disable HSDPA/3G, use only GSM, it's much better to save battery. the link :http://www.modaco.com/content/pocket-pc-software/246171/new-free-utility-nodata/
Second: Active Sync.
You need a task manager to see notifications.
you must find one of the repllog event.
Use this http://www.dotfred.net/TaskMgr.htm.
In notifications tab find "repllog AppRunAfterTimeChange" and disable it.
In my case I have disabled two events more, PushInternetScheduleTimeChanged and PushInternetScheduleTimeChanged1 and everything works fine.
After that, in process tab, if repllog appears, kill it, and in notifications tab find again the event "repllog.exe /remote /h",disable too, and use a reg editor (dot's taskmgr has one) and search in hkcu\software\microsoft\ActiveSync, find "KeepAlive" and you must change 1 to 0.
In this case, activesync will never start again, till you connect td2 to laptop or pc with activesync (it changes the value from 0 to 1).
I hope you could understand me and the info is ok for your td2.
Regards
pa49 said:
You must remember that the batteries will take a few weeks to attain full capacity operation.
Keep them on charge as much as you can (mains or car/plane etc), don't switch off at night, don't cycle them and don't drain them excessively.
If that does not give an improvement THEN take them back.
When I first got my TD2 I was appalled at the battery life and bought a spare battery. I have never used it.
And when they get warm it shows that they are happily being used or recharged and is no cause for concern.
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Thank you for the advice i did do what u said and noticed it became a bit better
makix13 said:
Hi Cairo,
First of all, sorry for my english.
In my case, I bought my TD2 this summer, & I had some of these problems with the battery.
I'll tell you my steps, perhaps it could help you, if not, you must talk with HTC support.
First, use modaco's nodata to disable HSDPA/3G, use only GSM, it's much better to save battery. the link :http://www.modaco.com/content/pocket-pc-software/246171/new-free-utility-nodata/
Second: Active Sync.
You need a task manager to see notifications.
you must find one of the repllog event.
Use this http://www.dotfred.net/TaskMgr.htm.
In notifications tab find "repllog AppRunAfterTimeChange" and disable it.
In my case I have disabled two events more, PushInternetScheduleTimeChanged and PushInternetScheduleTimeChanged1 and everything works fine.
.
I hope you could understand me and the info is ok for your td2.
Regards
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Thanks a lot makix
your post were really helpful
i was looking for the way to disable HSDPA and i couldnt found it
Thanks a lot for your help
Hi Cairo,
the hsdpa is in Settings->More->Connections tab->Advanced Network and then u must disable hsdpa.
in settings->communications->phone->advanced->band
I've gsm and gsm(900+1800)umts(900+2100).
(my winmo & touchflo is in spanish, but i hope u can find the options )
makix13 said:
Hi Cairo,
the hsdpa is in Settings->More->Connections tab->Advanced Network and then u must disable hsdpa.
in settings->communications->phone->advanced->band
I've gsm and gsm(900+1800)umts(900+2100).
(my winmo & touchflo is in spanish, but i hope u can find the options )
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Thanks Makix
I disabled it
now my phone after one day of use with about 30 minute GPS of use
and 30 minutes of Mp3 and its 50%
better than befor
My battery on the HTC Pure went from 45% charge to 2% auto-shutoff within a matter of 1.5 hours without any usage on my part. In fact, I had rebooted it and not touched it since.
The thing has been dying a lot faster after I installed some programs from Marketplace. I'm wondering if they are doing background processes that zap its power or what.
Any recommendations on monitoring what's going on in the background???
try to calibrate battery
(thanks helgee):
1. Discharge the device. Absolutely.
2. Take out battery for 60 sec.
3. Put the battery back. Don't switch on the device!
4. Charge the device by normal way (not by usb!) to the full state (green LED).
5. Take out battery again for 60 sec.
6. Put the battery back.
7. Switch on the device.
How can you discharged your battery? I didn't find a option on my Touch Diamond 2.
Ciedric said:
How can you discharged your battery? I didn't find a option on my Touch Diamond 2.
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You don't do this unless you want to damage the battery.
crypted said:
My battery on the HTC Pure went from 45% charge to 2% auto-shutoff within a matter of 1.5 hours without any usage on my part. In fact, I had rebooted it and not touched it since.
The thing has been dying a lot faster after I installed some programs from Marketplace. I'm wondering if they are doing background processes that zap its power or what.
Any recommendations on monitoring what's going on in the background???
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Exactly the same thing here, after installing some apps from Marketplace, the batt started to drain very fast. Don't know why yet. The apps installed are:
Mobeedo
Bing
Pocketnow
The Daily News
I've removed Mobeedo, The Daily News and Pocketnow just to test if they were doing something.
abzza said:
try to calibrate battery
(thanks helgee):
1. Discharge the device. Absolutely.
2. Take out battery for 60 sec.
3. Put the battery back. Don't switch on the device!
4. Charge the device by normal way (not by usb!) to the full state (green LED).
5. Take out battery again for 60 sec.
6. Put the battery back.
7. Switch on the device.
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I did this and it worked, now it appears to last even more than before.
Thanks a lot.
Hi,i´ve tried that 2 times and no result,can you help me with this,less than a day with battery is very sad...!
I´ve disabled the sense and i´m running the predifinicion of windows 6.5!
Big hug!
hi
http://www.batteryupgrade.com/shopB...rtmentProductId/54290922/shopGroupId/40547521
Tryied and loved it...!
Fast battery discharge
I had this very same problem. I had it with WM 6.1 and the Pure. Both due to the same app. BING is your problem. If you have a memory card in your phone it causes it to be constantly accessed instead of just on demand such as with storing pictures from camera. This is a battery life killer. Ditch BING, remove your storage card, save what you want to a PC and wipe it. After that put your saved files back on the card and put back in phone. This should stop the battery drain issue. Hope this helps.
ALSO: Some people swear by the battery drain and charge thing...others do not. Use it if you like but without getting rid of BING or finding a way to keep it from accessing your memory card the difference you will see will be barely noticeable.
Radio!~
u can change the radio , then u will get better.
my radio is 4.49.25.17
I think I have a problem with the battery drain of my HD2 wjen in standby mode: as you can see from the attached log it never goes lower than -75mA, even with pushmail off...
It started like this with CHT 2.0 installed... could it be?
Yeah, CHT could be a reason, some stock ROMs seem to be a bit critical for this great piece of software.
Plus, it can also depend on what extensions and widgets you added to CHT...
After all, not so easy to find out. My HD2 runs like 2 days at normal usage (some phone usage, some texting, some mail sync over wlan, sometimes even with some navigation).
Please also make sure to try different Radio ROMs... or re-flash, or whatever. You´ll find several threads here with similar issues and various solutions and ideas.
tictac0566 said:
Yeah, CHT could be a reason, some stock ROMs seem to be a bit critical for this great piece of software.
Plus, it can also depend on what extensions and widgets you added to CHT...
After all, not so easy to find out. My HD2 runs like 2 days at normal usage (some phone usage, some texting, some mail sync over wlan, sometimes even with some navigation).
Please also make sure to try different Radio ROMs... or re-flash, or whatever. You´ll find several threads here with similar issues and various solutions and ideas.
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yeah but why would CHT affect battery life when in standby? I am worried about the -75mA drainage in standby mode...
thegios said:
yeah but why would CHT affect battery life when in standby? I am worried about the -75mA drainage in standby mode...
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CHT in itself does not consume much power (if at all), I have CHT 2.0, and idle consumption is in 2-8 mA range (with GPRS and pushmail working).
Maybe you have some of the CHT monitoring widgets active?
If so, I'd suggest checking power consumption with those widgets turned off,
or even checking what is the power consumption without Sense
p107r0 said:
CHT in itself does not consume much power (if at all), I have CHT 2.0, and idle consumption is in 2-8 mA range (with GPRS and pushmail working).
Maybe you have some of the CHT monitoring widgets active?
If so, I'd suggest checking power consumption with those widgets turned off,
or even checking what is the power consumption without Sense
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I have no monitoring widgets..
Could it be that I turned on the bluetooth discovering mode in cht editor? What does this option do exactly?
thegios said:
Could it be that I turned on the bluetooth discovering mode in cht editor? What does this option do exactly?
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rather not, discoverable mode means normal bluetooth operation, except that your presence is not hidden from other devices (more info in wiki here)
as for the power consumption, it's definitely too high,
you seem to use some battery logging app, does it also show the current in real time?
if not, you could install BattClock, to check what the mA level after you wake the device from idle state (just to have second opinion/confirmation)
besides that you can either search this forum for some hints (the problem was raised several times), and/or start searching for the reason by elimination (check mA usage w/o Sense, try turning off the auto update of services like weather, contacts, FX etc.), check list of running processes with the Dotfred's Task Manager - trying to find which may be unnecessary
thegios said:
I think I have a problem with the battery drain of my HD2 wjen in standby mode: as you can see from the attached log it never goes lower than -75mA, even with pushmail off...
It started like this with CHT 2.0 installed... could it be?
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Hi,
when was the last time you formatted your SD card? A malfunctioning/severely defragmented SD card can cause a huge battery drainage. I'm pretty sure that this is your main problem. To solve it, follow this way:
1. Shut down device and remove SD Card
2. Insert SD Card into Card reader and insert to PC. Wait untill you see the Windows screen that says: automatically play/open this device and choose open folders.
3. Backup the content of your Card to a self named folder on your PC
4. Click another station than the SD card
5. Go back to SC card and right click it and choose formatting (slow mode)
6. After finishing this formatting, safely remove the Card from your PC and reinsert into device.
7. Boot device and format SD Card again with SD formatting tool (Windows - Tools - SD Formatting Tool).
8. Take out SD card and reinsert in PC and restore data fromm the self named folder.
9. Reinsert SD card in device and soft reset.
Done
regards, Kuzibri
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Hi,
when was the last time you formatted your SD card? A malfunctioning/severely defragmented SD card can cause a huge battery drainage. I'm pretty sure that this is your main problem. To solve it, follow this way:
1. Shut down device and remove SD Card
2. Insert SD Card into Card reader and insert to PC. Wait untill you see the Windows screen that says: automatically play/open this device and choose open folders.
3. Backup the content of your Card to a self named folder on your PC
4. Click another station than the SD card
5. Go back to SC card and right click it and choose formatting (slow mode)
6. After finishing this formatting, safely remove the Card from your PC and reinsert into device.
7. Boot device and format SD Card again with SD formatting tool (Windows - Tools - SD Formatting Tool).
8. Take out SD card and reinsert in PC and restore data fromm the self named folder.
9. Reinsert SD card in device and soft reset.
Done
regards, Kuzibri
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Hi,
I have alreday tried that with no benefit... Only difference was that I formatted it diurectly into phone, skipping step 5: why do I need to format SD card on pc as well, before formatting on phone?
BTW, why would the SD card drain the phone while in standby?
I have also tried disabling sense and monitoring again, and still I have a fixed -75mA drain in standby...
Here's a list of running processes:
manila
tmail
JBlendDaemon > what is this?
CommManager
battclock > this was installed already before having batt problems
BTTrayCE
alarmPal > this was installed already before having batt problems
poutlook
cprog
connmgr
services
shell32
gwes > what is this?
device
filesys
NK > what is this?
thegios said:
Hi,
I have alreday tried that with no benefit... Only difference was that I formatted it diurectly into phone, skipping step 5: why do I need to format SD card on pc as well, before formatting on phone?
BTW, why would the SD card drain the phone while in standby?
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A SD Card uses enery/battery power, when SD card dysfunctions or contains errors or is heavily defragmented, they all can lead to several severe problems, f.i. a huge battery drain even in standby.
The reason why you have to format your SD card first in PC, is that the Windows PC formatting tool does a very much more thorough job than then device's one (only compare the time they need to finish this process!!) and erases the Card totally whilst also repairing posssible errors or skipping and excluding bad sectors. So skipping this and only using device tool might not solve you're problem. The formatting afterwards with device's tool is only meant to prepare the card for the device's system. So, if I were you I would format SD Card with PC first and monitor battery usage. Be not surprised when the usage diminishes a lot.
regards, Kuzibri
kuzibri said:
A SD Card uses enery/battery power, when SD card dysfunctions or contains errors or is heavily defragmented, they all can lead to several severe problems, f.i. a huge battery drain even in standby.
The reason why you have to format your SD card first in PC, is that the Windows PC formatting tool does a very much more thorough job than then device's one (only compare the time they need to finish this process!!) and erases the Card totally whilst also repairing posssible errors or skipping and excluding bad sectors. So skipping this and only using device tool might not solve you're problem. The formatting afterwards with device's tool is only meant to prepare the card for the device's system. So, if I were you I would format SD Card with PC first and monitor battery usage. Be not surprised when the usage diminishes a lot.
regards, Kuzibri
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ok thanks: i have done that and now will monitor usage...
by the way, i am using BatLog: is this a good tool?
thegios said:
ok thanks: i have done that and now will monitor usage...
by the way, i am using BatLog: is this a good tool?
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AFAIK, yes it is.
regards, Kuzibri
kuzibri said:
AFAIK, yes it is.
regards, Kuzibri
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then just to verify that I use it in the proper way:
- I launch batlog
- I set interval to 10 seconds
- I set the log name
- I start the log
- I minimize batlog
- I turn off the screen
is this correct?
thegios said:
then just to verify that I use it in the proper way:
- I launch batlog
- I set interval to 10 seconds
- I set the log name
- I start the log
- I minimize batlog
- I turn off the screen
is this correct?
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yes, it is.
regards, Kuzibri
How are you doing battery wise?
regards, Kuzibri
kuzibri said:
How are you doing battery wise?
regards, Kuzibri
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I am still doing a few tests: ALL ON, ALL OFF, DATA OFF, DATA ON BUT PUSHMAIL OFF.
Then i wanna try with SD out, just to exclude SD.
My real problem is that overnight, with data on but pushmail off, it drain 20% in 8 hours... way too much...
thegios said:
I am still doing a few tests: ALL ON, ALL OFF, DATA OFF, DATA ON BUT PUSHMAIL OFF.
Then i wanna try with SD out, just to exclude SD.
My real problem is that overnight, with data on but pushmail off, it drain 20% in 8 hours... way too much...
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You are absolutely right on that, this drainage is far too much. My overnight drainage in standby mode (so connection data on) is max 3-4%. If drainage without SD card is far less then now, I would advice you to buy a new one because either it's severely damaged or corrupt, even after formatting.
BTW, do not worry too much about Battlog, just look at your battery% that you have left over after a certain amount of time.
Good luck and regards, Kuzibri
kuzibri said:
You are absolutely right on that, this drainage is far too much. My overnight drainage in standby mode (so connection data on) is max 3-4%. If drainage without SD card is far less then now, I would advice you to buy a new one because either it's severely damaged or corrupt, even after formatting.
BTW, do not worry too much about Battlog, just look at your battery% that you have left over after a certain amount of time.
Good luck and regards, Kuzibri
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OK,
after two tests (but I'd like to do a few more)...
-1- GSM ON, DATA ON, PUSMAIL OFF, SD IN, NO ACTIVITY AT ALL
23:00 @ 50%
07:30 @ 15%
lost 35% in 8.5h that is 4.1% per h
-2- GSM ON, DATA ON, PUSMAIL OFF, SD IN, 2 CALLS and 10 MINS BROWSING in 3G
10:00 @ 100%
19:00 @ 80%
lost 20% in 9h that is 2.2% per h
So for the moment it looks like it's the SD, but I'll try again tonight removing the SD while the phone is in stand by with no activity (same conditions as test 1)
thegios said:
OK,
after two tests (but I'd like to do a few more)...
-1- GSM ON, DATA ON, PUSMAIL OFF, SD IN, NO ACTIVITY AT ALL
23:00 @ 50%
07:30 @ 15%
lost 35% in 8.5h that is 4.1% per h
-2- GSM ON, DATA ON, PUSMAIL OFF, SD IN, 2 CALLS and 10 MINS BROWSING in 3G
10:00 @ 100%
19:00 @ 80%
lost 20% in 9h that is 2.2% per h
So for the moment it looks like it's the SD, but I'll try again tonight removing the SD while the phone is in stand by with no activity (same conditions as test 1)
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Bad news... 28% in 10 hours overnight, with SD out and pushmail off.
Cannot be sd at this point... Could it be that after 1 year and 3 months the battery is already dying? This would explain the -75mA drain when in standby.
What's strange is that now I'm charging the batt and ir went from 41% to 57% in 15 minutes...
thegios said:
Bad news... 28% in 10 hours overnight, with SD out and pushmail off.
Cannot be sd at this point... Could it be that after 1 year and 3 months the battery is already dying? This would explain the -75mA drain when in standby.
What's strange is that now I'm charging the batt and ir went from 41% to 57% in 15 minutes...
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so, 10h overnight, SD IN but DATA CONNECTION DISABLED and it went from 100% to 95%...
I guess this means only two things: it's not the SD, teher must be something which uses the data connection constantly... how can I find it out?
PS: weather is set every 3 hours, facebook every 2 hours, nothing else...
Hi Guys!
I have flashed my HD with Pdaimatejam ROM, this rom is awesome! But I have one question:
Every time I made a hard reset, my battery status show about 1 day and 10 hours of lifetyme in 100% of charge.
After 5 or 6 days, HD2 shows about 20hours in 100%. and so on...
This happened also in ROM HD2O I had installed few months ago!
This is normal? Or a radio problem?
Radio Version: 5.51.09.29_22.32.50.10u
Thanks!
sergio_pj said:
Hi Guys!
I have flashed my HD with Pdaimatejam ROM, this rom is awesome! But I have one question:
Every time I made a hard reset, my battery status show about 1 day and 10 hours of lifetyme in 100% of charge.
After 5 or 6 days, HD2 shows about 20hours in 100%. and so on...
This happened also in ROM HD2O I had installed few months ago!
This is normal? Or a radio problem?
Radio Version: 5.51.09.29_22.32.50.10u
Thanks!
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The estimation is based on your current consume ....
I think is more relevant to monitor your real battery drainage using a dedicated application like "Battery Status" or "BatteryTool".
abogdan said:
The estimation is based on your current consume ....
I think is more relevant to monitor your real battery drainage using a dedicated application like "Battery Status" or "BatteryTool".
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Yes, i know, but i dont changed nothing in my use...
How i can control with Battery status or Battery tool?
Hi!
WP has to "learn" how you use it so the first week or two you'll notice the battery status changing a lot It is practically unusable so I would recommend (like mentioned above) that you install battery status or the htc battery tool. You can find the xap-files on the forum if you do a little searching ;-) As an alternative you could look on marketplace - there are a few apps out there for the purpose!
If you need help to figure out how they work - just ask! :-D
/Anders
Hi Anders!
Thank you for your kindness in quote! I downloaded the battery tool, and from what I understand it only shows the percentage of the battery, right?
Also downloaded the HTC battery tool, it shows me some more accurate data, but do not know how to use them, you could help me to improve?
I noticed that my HD2 spends too much power in standby (like 4 or 5 percent at hour without use, with 3g, wifi, localize and more off), is there any way to minimize this?
Thanks so much!
hug
Sergio
ps: sorry my bad english, im Brazilian!
Hi again!
No worries about your english - understand perfectly ;-)
You are right about the battery app from the marketplace only shows the voltage and percentage remaining. Its nice for your startpage but other than that not that usable.
The HTC battery app on the other hand gives you a great deal of info! What you have to look for is battery current. It should be between 5 and 10 when you have had the phone on standby for some minutes with the settings you describe...
Anything else you would like to know?
/Anders
Sorry to be asking me all the time, but you are helping me right! Thank you!
I installed the tool for HTC battery, the tests and did as you instructed me! it shows the values of -80 to -100: |, is this normal?
can somebody pls tell me why I get only 7-8 hrs of battery life and also why my hd2 always heats up..
kwartey said:
can somebody pls tell me why I get only 7-8 hrs of battery life and also why my hd2 always heats up..
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Did u deactivate DATA, 3G, localization and other things?
baterrrrrrrrrrry
sergio_pj said:
Did u deactivate DATA, 3G, localization and other things?
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drainage and heating is not connected only to those settings, i got on mine all that turned on, + mail sync ewery 30 minutes, and battery lasts ower 24 hours with normal day usage (surfing on 3G is most intense on battery for me)
Its hard to say what is causing high battery drainage, because for me first it was SD card, so after I changed it ewerything was good for day or two, than my screen broke (tough luck) and while i was fixing it, i used an old iPhone which broke my sim card (more tough luck) in way that celular data didnt work, and that caused teriblle drainage when I fixed HD2. So after replacing sim card it was ok again (2+ days on batery saver prediction, but usualy lasts for day and half).
p.s. I use yuki-xbmod rom on adata 8gb C4 sd card
krashekspres said:
drainage and heating is not connected only to those settings, i got on mine all that turned on, + mail sync ewery 30 minutes, and battery lasts ower 24 hours with normal day usage (surfing on 3G is most intense on battery for me)
Its hard to say what is causing high battery drainage, because for me first it was SD card, so after I changed it ewerything was good for day or two, than my screen broke (tough luck) and while i was fixing it, i used an old iPhone which broke my sim card (more tough luck) in way that celular data didnt work, and that caused teriblle drainage when I fixed HD2. So after replacing sim card it was ok again (2+ days on batery saver prediction, but usualy lasts for day and half).
p.s. I use yuki-xbmod rom on adata 8gb C4 sd card
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if I let those things turned on, my battery life is halved, this may not be the main but I think it works, right?
I'm using a SD SanDisk's 16GB class 6, once wore a sandisk 8gb class 4 and nothing has changed about the battery life .. it's not strange?
Does the capacity of the SIM influences that too? there are various SIMs sizes right? mine is very old: D
That does sound strange I must say :-( Could you try to turn on flight-mode, let it rest for 30 mins or so and then check the batterystatus again? Then at least we can tell if the radio is draining the phone or not!
/Anders
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Did u deactivate DATA, 3G, localization and other things?
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I always turn of localization and sometimes use 3g. My data is always on. Am using a 16 SanDisk card. I don't know the problem. Am thinking of doing a task29 and reflashing the rom. Do I have to repartition the size in Magldr? And can u plz give me simple steps in doing it because I will be using hd2 toolkit and that will be my first time. Thank you...