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anybody has experience with one of these?
does it slow down the htc hero??
i have a lot of music on my hero and i notice everytime the hero needs to access the sd card it lags a bit, i notice it when i open albums and when i open my music library it lags for a little like if it scans the whole sd card first,
so im thinking the more space the sd card has the more it will lag for these things, anybody got one and can share their experience?
More space != more lag
If you have a faster card it MIGHT have a better chance at faster access. So a class 2 card might seem slow compared with a class 6 card. I haven't seen a definitive test performed on the Hero and the different card classes throughput though.
A card with equal throughput (class speed) will require approximately equal lag time whether the card is a 2gb, 32gb, or anything in between.
Since this is on the topic of sd card, where's the cheapest place to get these?
I've found 8gb class 6 cards on Amazon, but as for 16gb and 32 gb class 6, it seems a little ridiculous in price difference.
HTC Hero? (Sprint) - What type and size MicroSD storage cards can I use?
Q. What type and size MicroSD storage cards can I use?
Currently the MicroSD card supports 2.0 SDHC compatibility up to 32gb.
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Check this thread out:
http://androidforums.com/sprint-htc-hero/11343-sd-cards-you.html
Excerpt:
This is what HTC told me [when I asked what class card to purchase]:
"Good Morning Frank,
Thank you for taking the time to contact HTC America Technical Support via E-Mail with your inquiry about what class of SD card to use in your Sprint HTC Hero. My name is A.J. and I will be happy to assist you today.
If you are looking to purchase an SD card that the device will read at its full native speed you will need to purchase a class 2. The device will read a class 4 but not at its native speeds.
Frank, if you have any future questions about your device please feel free to visit HTC - Touch Phone, PDA Phone, Smartphone, Mobile Computer and send us another e-mail. You may also enjoy HTC Smartphone Wiki - HTC, which has a plethora of information on HTC devices, including the Sprint HTC Hero! I would also like to invite you to participate in a customer satisfaction survey located at HTC Online Survey I hope you have a great day!
HTC America Technical Support
A.J."
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So it looks like the HTC Hero will read class 2, 4 and 6, but not at the native speeds for 4 and 6. So it seems like a moot point of "what class to buy" if the data bus isn't going to take advantage of a faster card.
simplyphp said:
HTC Hero? (Sprint) - What type and size MicroSD storage cards can I use?
Check this thread out:
http://androidforums.com/sprint-htc-hero/11343-sd-cards-you.html
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So it looks like the HTC Hero will read class 2, 4 and 6, but not at the native speeds for 4 and 6. So it seems like a moot point of "what class to buy" if the data bus isn't going to take advantage of a faster card.
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I am becoming more and more disappointed with HTC and sprint. Too many factors being left on the table for my taste.
well is that a hardware or software aspect of the hero?
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well is that a hardware or software aspect of the hero?
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It's a hardware aspect, like our cpu and ram.
has this been verified by any benchmarks or can it be? i'm thinking about jumping off on a bigger card, just haven't seen anything definitive about it
i've heard severa people report speed increases by using class 4 or 6 cards. Might not be native speeds but faster than class 2... just a thought.
Currently I'm using a kingston class 4 and the speed difference in loading music or pics off the card is not noticable. I got it for APPS2SD and Linux Swap whenever someone decides to utilize it in a rom.
Can someone post a link to a 32GB card? I can only find dual 16s from Tropam.
I thought San Disk wasn't releasing the 32 GB stuff until next year because they are hit/miss on full storage capacity still.
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this year I guess...lol.
Kcarpenter said:
Can someone post a link to a 32GB card? I can only find dual 16s from Tropam.
I thought San Disk wasn't releasing the 32 GB stuff until next year because they are hit/miss on full storage capacity still.
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this year I guess...lol.
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tbh i can't find one either... maybe they aren't even released yet? i will keep looking
on my question though...
is there, or can there be, an app that reads/writes test files from the microsd card and tells you how long it took to read/write.... you know, a benchmark... seems the only way to be able to tell if there is a real diff between the classes
from wikipedia
"In February 2009 Sandisk also announced a 32 GB version for the second half of 2009,http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MicroSD#cite_note-4 but as per end December 2009 it is not listed yet."
The Hero has no problem significantly exceeding the capabilities of a Class 2 card.
Using the C2 card the phone came with, Windows 7 reports reads maxing out at about 3 MB/s. Using a C6 card that I bought, Win7 reads at 10 MB/s and writes at 6.5 MB/s.
if anyone experienced in java wants to take a crack at it, maybe they could write a native app to benchmark r/w speeds of our sd cards. I think that would be rather handy to have even if it was limited in usefulness.
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The Hero has no problem significantly exceeding the capabilities of a Class 2 card.
Using the C2 card the phone came with, Windows 7 reports reads maxing out at about 3 MB/s. Using a C6 card that I bought, Win7 reads at 10 MB/s and writes at 6.5 MB/s.
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wait what? doesn't that test take the actual phone out of the loop?
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wait what? doesn't that test take the actual phone out of the loop?
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No, because it's using the phone's hardware. I'm not taking the card out of the phone - I'm plugging the phone into the computer.
I ran some benchmark program called ATTO or something last night, and it was consistently giving me 5 MB/s with the Class 6 card and 2.5-3 MB/s with the Class 2.
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No, because it's using the phone's hardware. I'm not taking the card out of the phone - I'm plugging the phone into the computer.
I ran some benchmark program called ATTO or something last night, and it was consistently giving me 5 MB/s with the Class 6 card and 2.5-3 MB/s with the Class 2.
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That makes sense.. but HTC still refuses to say that it will take advantage of it.. but an "in Phone" app to seal the deal would be great.
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No, because it's using the phone's hardware. I'm not taking the card out of the phone - I'm plugging the phone into the computer.
I ran some benchmark program called ATTO or something last night, and it was consistently giving me 5 MB/s with the Class 6 card and 2.5-3 MB/s with the Class 2.
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right, it's still in the phone, but the phone isn't reading or writing the card, your computer's OS is, while the card is mounted... acting like a usb flash drive... someone correct me if i am wrong...
was the ATTO prog on your pc/mac or on your phone?
thanks
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right, it's still in the phone, but the phone isn't reading or writing the card, your computer's OS is, while the card is mounted... acting like a usb flash drive... someone correct me if i am wrong...
was the ATTO prog on your pc/mac or on your phone?
thanks
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The contention is that the card-reading hardware in the phone is incapable of read/write speeds greater than "class 2" speeds. The OS has no card writing speed limitations built-in.
Looking at the Anandtech review, I saw them mention that the Optimus has a Micro SD slot, in addition to the 16GB on board.
Is this correct?
No ti doesn't. It is a rule from Microsoft that all new Windows Phone 7 MUST have a built in memory.
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piottone said:
No ti doesn't. It is a rule from Microsoft that all new Windows Phone 7 MUST have a built in memory.
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Yes, but a SD card is a built in memory! All HTC WinPhone 7 devices have "just" SD cards as additional internal memory, it's cheaper thand NANDs!
On engadget.com or pocketnow.com you can watch some videos about this. One user plugged a 32gb sd card in his HD7!!!
But I don't know if the Optimus 7 has a sd card or a NAND...
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No ti doesn't. It is a rule from Microsoft that all new Windows Phone 7 MUST have a built in memory.
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As the other guy said, false, look at the focus!
Seeing as the focus isn't being released outside the USA, the optimus is the best bet.
Anyway, the device is out, somebody must be able to confirm.
Actually the Focus is now available on Rogers in Canada as well...
And Samsung is quite generous when you describe your needs to them on their Direct phone line, and they provided me with an unlock code...
Has anyone discovered if LG Optimus 7 have a microsd slot?
Im sure it does however its not accessable without dismantiling the phone.
I wish someone would tear this badboy down and let us have a look inside.
Yeah me too! Most other devices have been ripped apart but i haven't heard anything about the Optimus 7
Yeah, this would be pretty important to me too, since its the only device with internal memory + microSD. If its easy to access this would be a very interesting phone since I need at least my 32GB of storage, better would be more.
LG Optimus 7 SD slot
Sebo1985 said:
Yeah, this would be pretty important to me too, since its the only device with internal memory + microSD. If its easy to access this would be a very interesting phone since I need at least my 32GB of storage, better would be more.
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I have this phone, the SD slot isn't presente becuase it's a Microsoft dictat for ALL Windows Phone 7 cellphones!!!!!
bye
TheJackall
Oh come on buddy, nearly every WP7 device has a SD slot, of course not swapable, but it is in there.
The Optimus 7 has 4GB NAND and 4GB SDRAM, therefore 8GB left over for a SDcard somewhere in there, but: where?
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Oh come on buddy, nearly every WP7 device has a SD slot, of course not swapable, but it is in there.
The Optimus 7 has 4GB NAND and 4GB SDRAM, therefore 8GB left over for a SDcard somewhere in there, but: where?
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Where did you hear it had 4GB NAND and 8GB in the SDcard slot? I believe you, I'm just curious. I am pretty sure all WP7 "have" to have an SDcard slot because the SD Card Association said WP7s support SD cards across the board (just not necessarily consumer accessible). Like I said, someone needs to tear this guy down.
I read it here:
http://pocketnow.com/windows-phone/...&utm_campaign=Feed:+pocketnow+(pocketnow.com)
Is that correct? Don't know.
But there's surely NAND in there, that's why it loads heavy duty apps way faster than other phones.
I'm buying this phone tomorrow, and will take it apart/provide pictures if there is enough interest. Let me know what you guys think!
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I'm buying this phone tomorrow, and will take it apart/provide pictures if there is enough interest. Let me know what you guys think!
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GREAT! I have 200% interest on this!
I would say you get famous within the various blogs and mobile sites
Absolutely interested here!
Sorry to disappoint guys, I do not possess screwdrivers small enough to open this thing up. I have a set of electronics screwdrivers going all the way down to Phillips Head PH000 but it would need to be at least a PH0000 to open those small little screws. Love the device though! I will pick up a proper screwdriver, but I don't even know where to go about looking for one in Canada.
Oh, what a pity. But shouldn't every DIY store have those?
I have bad news...I took the phone apart completely, all the way down to its component elements and there is no SD slot or card. The 16 GB is NAND and soldered to the board. I will post pictures I took in a different thread for teardown purposes.
I had a SanDisk 64GB Mobile Ultra MicroSDXC Class 6 card and I wondered if my Mango-tized HD2 would even recognize it.
It certainly appears to. I dunno, but that seems like news.
www passagestudio.com/images/64gbMangoHD2.jpg
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I had a SanDisk 64GB Mobile Ultra MicroSDXC Class 6 card and I wondered if my Mango-tized HD2 would even recognize it.
It certainly appears to. I dunno, but that seems like news.
www passagestudio.com/images/64gbMangoHD2.jpg
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Id say thats news given that 64GB Micro SDs didnt exist when our HD2 was born.
To be honest, i dunno what id use that much space for, i dont think id ever fill a 32GB SD let alone that monster!
There was a time when id have dual booted android, but i cant be bothered with all that now WP is pretty much perfect on the HD2,
Hi.... Just wondering... Did you experience any change in battery drain and smooth running of the rom after installing 64gig sd card ,
And which rom unr using currently...
This is epic for someone like me! I'm one of those people that fills up 16 gigs in no time flat! 32 sounds nice, but 64 gigs!!!! I'm in heaven, I need to get one. How much did the 64gb card cost you?
Any updates on whether this works yet? I would like to upgrade from 32Gb soon.
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Seems he has 64gb working, what's your battery life like with that card? I think SD card the main reason we all experience such different levels of life...
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I am on HTC hd2 I put a post somewhere saying that I am now on a dual boot with 64Gb Tf card in HTC hd2, works a treat
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I also saw a bid on YouTube for the Hd7 folks of someone stripping down phone and fitting a 64gb SD in.
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wow. amazing. does it mean that hd2 supports part of SDXC? can you use all of the storage volume;about 59GB?
I have mine split, but yes if you so choose, you can use all of the storage on the sd card, currently i have Everything working on the phone, running really smooth, only thing is that my carrier signal/reception is good, but for some reason the radio on this rom seems weaker than normal, Question for anyone that knows, is there a better one ready yet, I am on Orange.
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I have mine split, but yes if you so choose, you can use all of the storage on the sd card, currently i have Everything working on the phone, running really smooth, only thing is that my carrier signal/reception is good, but for some reason the radio on this rom seems weaker than normal, Question for anyone that knows, is there a better one ready yet, I am on Orange.
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THing with Radios is that firstly we have 2 different radios to deal with, and secondly different networks and signal strength areas will do better with different radios, so you may find that the latest and greatest radio is actually worse than the first radio available because its been stripped from a phone on say, the O2 network.
Trial and error appears to be the best, or ask folk on your network what they use, ideally in your own country and even better near you,
On Amazon,
SanDisk 64GB Mobile Ultra MicroSDXC Class 6 Memory Card with SD Adapter - Retail Packaging by SanDisk
Buy new: $160.00
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According to the SETTINGS|about page, I have 59.25GB Total Storage.
Battery life is not stellar, though I haven't really done any work to optimize that.
SDXC
Basically... All SDXC cards will work...
The thing is, this is how the cards are supposed to be shipped:
SD => FAT
SDHC => FAT32
SDXC => exFAT
Any SDXC card can be formatted as FAT32 to work with SDHC compatible devices. The OS "decides" how much of the storage capacity can actually be allocated.
Since microsoft probably took note of SDXC during development, windows phone uses a file format that either supports exFAT (which is a MS file format) or formats the cards in a file system that supports over 64gigs. Windows phone supports SD cards under 32 gig, so it supports FAT32 and FAT anyways (to be reformatted in the device)
Long story short, as soon as a device supports exFAT it is SDXC compatible. if a device supports FAT32, any SD card formatted in FAT32 works.
Will the 64GB SDXC card work with the original Windows Mobile 6.5 ?
Does exFAT work on WM6.5?
Wohooooo 64 Gb for what?
Yep got a dual booting 64gb SanDisk class 6 over here.
30.8 in windows
30.5 in android
(couldn't find a way to put more in android than windows b/c ad sd and wp7 nand.)
Battery drain seems the same. Check everytime I boot constantly to see if the current is -400 or -4.
Such a pain in the anus.
Go hd2!!!!!!!
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Yep got a dual booting 64gb SanDisk class 6 over here.
30.8 in windows
30.5 in android
(couldn't find a way to put more in android than windows b/c ad sd and wp7 nand.)
Battery drain seems the same. Check everytime I boot constantly to see if the current is -400 or -4.
Such a pain in the anus.
Go hd2!!!!!!!
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Doing the samething here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1711310
Seeing as how Windows Phones uses the partition type exFAT, it'd be no problem picking up the 64Gb card since that is what it is formatted as.
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Doing the samething here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1711310
Seeing as how Windows Phones uses the partition type exFAT, it'd be no problem picking up the 64Gb card since that is what it is formatted as.
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In regards to the SanDisk Ultra 64GB SDXC...over the last couple of days I installed the NexusHD2 v2.3 and set the card up with 8GB EXT4 and 52GB FAT32. It ran slightly slower than NAND but I adjusted the CPU speed to compensate and overall a darn good experience. My next adventure was to dual boot both NexusHD2 and Pdaimatejam's WP7.8 and I split the card pretty much right down the middle taken into account the 200MB FAT32 WP7.8 creates upon it being deleted and for one brief moment you have only 2 partitions before continuing to create the EXT4 partition. WP7.8 will works up to a point and then begins the reboot loop. I understand there's a way to image a smaller memory card onto the 64 gig card and that's what I will be doing next. In the meanwhile I did successfully load Pdaimatejam's ROM into NAND but the key here is that card must be formatted as exFAT; otherwise it too will reboot endlessly. My only use for Android are CoPilot Navigation and Google Navigation and Skype; otherwise I prefer Windows Phone for one reason and one only; it runs as smooth as silk but WP7.8 lacks what WP8.x now haves...good GPS Navs, what my Titans and HD2 have is customization and that is a sticking point for me in regards to upgrading to the Lumia 92x series.
D802 UK LG G2, Stock out of the box, 16gb, android only says 10gb usuable? surely android doesnt take 6gb? that 6gb would be pretty handy to have back and given its an internal sd partition i would have thought that partition would be the full 16gb?
Sorry. That's how the phone is made. On the 32gb version 8gb is used for the system. Nobody is really willing to mess with system partitions due to the risk of ending up with a quite expensive paperweight. Either you learn to live with it or you swap it for a 32gb (24 GB usable ) or get your hands on an OTG card reader.
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No offense, but are you new to technology in general, specifically storage? Any storage device loses some space to formatting. Is your computer's 250GB hard drive actually 250GB when you turn it on? No, it starts off at ~230-something before you account for the operating system, etc.
First off, on the 16GB you're starting off at a bit less than ~14GB and then the Android OS and LG stuff, so that's why you have whatever you have free. Android is not taking up 6GB of storage space. Blame the storage industry/manufacturers (NAND/solid state/hard drive etc) for the way they report storage space. It's their fault.
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No offense, but are you new to technology in general, specifically storage? Any storage device loses some space to formatting. Is your computer's 250GB hard drive actually 250GB when you turn it on? No, it starts off at ~230-something before you account for the operating system, etc.
First off, on the 16GB you're starting off at a bit less than ~14GB and then the Android OS and LG stuff, so that's why you have whatever you have free. Android is not taking up 6GB of storage space. Blame the storage industry/manufacturers (NAND/solid state/hard drive etc) for the way they report storage space. It's their fault.
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far from new, but didnt think a phone os would take that much space
I'd like to know why people are moaning about there being "only" 10.7GB available space on the 16GB model. Samsung are one of only a few companies to still give us MicroSD card slots to expand memory. We can put ALL our music, ALL our videos, ALL our photos and SOME of our apps onto MicroSD so stop complaining! There's not many manufacturers that let you do that these days.
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I dont believe its its 10.7 GB I believe it was around 8 GB. As for the kitkat update the permission for apps to write on the sd card is gone. Only apps that came with the phone are only able to write on your sd.
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ROMANTiC KiD said:
I dont believe its its 10.7 GB I believe it was around 8 GB. As for the kitkat update the permission for apps to write on the sd card is gone. Only apps that came with the phone are only able to write on your sd.
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dude no permission to install on ext-card since android4.0 ICS (it s not for KK)
and it has ~10GB.
on demo units thr was something about unpacked 5 and mwc and ... so first of all we saw report about 8GB internal by mistake
then new reports shows it has 10GB
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Yeah those demo units were set up for the event so had less available space. The retail units will have 10GB+.
As for permissions, the S4 on 4.3 allows app to sd. I assume it will be the same for 4.4 on the S4 otherwise all the links will become broken. Samsung implement the feature since Google stopped doing so.
I have a Mega 6.3 on 4.2.2 and that has app to sd.
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I believe the developer has to code there app specifically to allow for the APP Data to be moved to the SD Card, the actual APP has to stay on internal memory. At least thats how I understand it is supposed to work.
The main thing is that pictures/videos/music can go on the SD card as in reality that is what takes up the majority of the space on my device. The rest of the internal memory can be used for games and apps, 10gb is enough for 3-4 of those large games like San Andreas. If you need to keep more than 3-4 of those games on your device at a time, you should invest in the 32gb model or invest in a 32GB Nexus 7.
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Kitkat uses memory/storage differently.10gb is plenty if you dont play any good games.
A lot of the best games are 1-3gb in size, and moving the app and game data to the micro sd card may not be possible with this version of kitkat? need clarification is this can be done, although not all games use the memory card.
If the 32gb model is readily available then this is the way to go.
Good Luck with that! Until we see a retail version NO ONE knows what a retail version will have available space wise. The fact that you SAW 8.56gb AVAILABLE at MWC means that is what you should expect. Especially with Samsung, they aren't known for removing stuff, but for adding stuff.
That's why the Note 3 is still the way to go. 3gb ram and 32gb is the smallest configuration.
OK I've Googled it and actually seen what Google are up to That is really bad. They want to get rid of external storage because "people are confused with it". How thick are some people?? If they're confused, don't use it. I love having the choice of using something or not using something. Google gets more and more like Apple each day, forcing things on people.
There is no way I'm updating my Mega 6.3 to KitKat as I have lots of apps on the SD card at the minute.
We'll be able to still store videos, music and photos on the SD card presumably? Will photos and videos taken with a phone running KitKat be able to save them directly to SD card, or will we be forced to use "The Cloud"?
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32Gb or 64gb should be the options. Like the iFruit. (OMG wash my mouth out with Lifebuoy! )
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Eric214 said:
Good Luck with that! Until we see a retail version NO ONE knows what a retail version will have available space wise. The fact that you SAW 8.56gb AVAILABLE at MWC means that is what you should expect. Especially with Samsung, they aren't known for removing stuff, but for adding stuff.
That's why the Note 3 is still the way to go. 3gb ram and 32gb is the smallest configuration.
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The MWC unit showed only 8.56 GB because some demo videos, apps, etc has been stored in the internal memory for demo purposes and occupied about 2.33 GB of internal space. Out of the box you will get 10.7 GB in the retail version and the MWC device also had the same.
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Eric214 said:
Good Luck with that! Until we see a retail version NO ONE knows what a retail version will have available space wise. The fact that you SAW 8.56gb AVAILABLE at MWC means that is what you should expect. Especially with Samsung, they aren't known for removing stuff, but for adding stuff.
That's why the Note 3 is still the way to go. 3gb ram and 32gb is the smallest configuration.
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It literally had a MWC 2014 folder with 2GB of data lol. Check Sammobile.