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[Q] SD card help for running Android? Special File System/Format/Type?

Hi guys,
Lately ive been trying to get Android running on my HD2…
Ive successfully flashed the HD2 to android friendly ROMs, and installed versions of Android to my SD card… but I cannot get it to run.
I have read some things about needing a certain SD (file system, or a certain type of card/partion size?)… can someone please tell me if my SD card is android compatible… if I can just format it or if I need another card?
The SD card I have is a SanDisk 16GB MicroSDHC. I thought I heard something about needing a “Level/Class 4” or something, but I don’t know what that means.
I hope this question makes enough sense, and someone can break it down for me.
Any help is greatly appreciated.
Cheers.

[email protected] said:
Hi guys,
Lately ive been trying to get Android running on my HD2…
Ive successfully flashed the HD2 to android friendly ROMs, and installed versions of Android to my SD card… but I cannot get it to run.
I have read some things about needing a certain SD (file system, or a certain type of card/partion size?)… can someone please tell me if my SD card is android compatible… if I can just format it or if I need another card?
The SD card I have is a SanDisk 16GB MicroSDHC. I thought I heard something about needing a “Type 4” or something, but I don’t know what that means.
I hope this question makes enough sense, and someone can break it down for me.
Any help is greatly appreciated.
Cheers.
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your sd card is fine. I've ran many android builds off that microSD, which if I'm assuming correctly is the one that comes with the HD2. Do a full format, not quick (so uncheck that box in windows). The preferred allocation size is 32k. If that doesn't work try formatting with SDFormatter

Thanks for your reply mate.
It is the SD card that came with my HD2, but I have the Telstra Version (T9193), so im not sure if it shipped with the same SD card world-wide.
I have just done some more research on the Class/Level Numbers of these SD cards, and I think the Class/Level Number is marked on the card with a circle around it, if that’s the case I have a Class/Level 2 card.
Thanks again for your reply, hopefully once I format the card, I will have more success than I had previously had.
Cheers.

one more thing though... what filesystem should i format the card to?
cheers.

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one more thing though... what filesystem should i format the card to?
cheers.
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FAT32, always
Edit: Yes, SanDisk class 2 is the same card mine came with. I've heard of some people getting them with 2GB cards, but I think for the most part 16GB calss 2 are what most people got.

no problem, thank you for your help.

it says right on the box it comes with a 16gb sd card.. if yours came with something else then the rep or the store owner took the 16gb card out and replaced it.
some shady stores would do this and try to sell you the card it came with.

aarons6 said:
it says right on the box it comes with a 16gb sd card.. if yours came with something else then the rep or the store owner took the 16gb card out and replaced it.
some shady stores would do this and try to sell you the card it came with.
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i have no doubt the card i have is the card i was supposed to receive, i just wasnt sure if it was compatible with android.
cheers man.

aarons6 said:
it says right on the box it comes with a 16gb sd card.. if yours came with something else then the rep or the store owner took the 16gb card out and replaced it.
some shady stores would do this and try to sell you the card it came with.
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Tmous got 16gb cards. Euro got 2gb ones.

Corrections, and swift answer
Firstly, flash storage devices marked as class 2 or class 4 would have nothing to do with comptibilty. Flash storage classes are the specifications of the maximum theoretical limit transfer speeds for that type of flash storage device. Take a look at this wiki article to learn more at wiki secure digital class rating article. Next, the type of storage device needs to be specified as microSD rather than SD since they are different flash types. And lastly the proper terms for storage sizes need to be used. GB means Gigabyte which is 1x10^9 bytes or 8x10^9 bits as 8 bits=1 byte, and Gb is Gigabit. The problem doesn't lie in the syntax or intended use of, it lies in the dumbing down, so should someone be wanting to learn these things they are getting taught wrong.
And for the swift answer, no class never makes a difference on compatiblity just whether it has the suffix HC or not, which stands for High Capacity as is reserved for any storage amount of 4GB to 32GB in which case is goes to XC which stands for extreme capactity and is reserved for 64GB to 2TB(TB=terabytes). The only reason this matters is each type of suffix is actually signifying a new type of transfer protocol which requires a firmware upgrade to read the new format(key work firmware not hardware, as one example even the oldest SD card reader could read a 128GB card with a proper firmware upgrade, albiet at lower transfer rates). And the format fat32 is typically used as the standard external storage filesystem.
I hope this answers any and all questions, always remember, what your writing doesn't just apply to you and your not the only one involved. Your words reflect like a butterflies wings.

Pusalieth said:
Firstly, flash storage devices marked as class 2 or class 4 would have nothing to do with comptibilty. Flash storage classes are the specifications of the maximum theoretical limit transfer speeds for that type of flash storage device. Take a look at this wiki article to learn more at wiki secure digital class rating article. Next, the type of storage device needs to be specified as microSD rather than SD since they are different flash types. And lastly the proper terms for storage sizes need to be used. GB means Gigabyte which is 1x10^9 bytes or 8x10^9 bits as 8 bits=1 byte, and Gb is Gigabit. The problem doesn't lie in the syntax or intended use of, it lies in the dumbing down, so should someone be wanting to learn these things they are getting taught wrong.
And for the swift answer, no class never makes a difference on compatiblity just whether it has the suffix HC or not, which stands for High Capacity as is reserved for any storage amount of 4GB to 32GB in which case is goes to XC which stands for extreme capactity and is reserved for 64GB to 2TB(TB=terabytes). The only reason this matters is each type of suffix is actually signifying a new type of transfer protocol which requires a firmware upgrade to read the new format(key work firmware not hardware, as one example even the oldest SD card reader could read a 128GB card with a proper firmware upgrade, albiet at lower transfer rates). And the format fat32 is typically used as the standard external storage filesystem.
I hope this answers any and all questions, always remember, what your writing doesn't just apply to you and your not the only one involved. Your words reflect like a butterflies wings.
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Whilst your knowledge is great, the fact that you're unnecessarily bringing up an old thread from 2010 is not. I understand the need for 10 posts, and using your knowledge to help others in order to get 10 posts is the best way of doing it, but do it on new threads rather than old ones please.

[Q] 1GB ROM & 8GB internal memory?

Is WP7 OS stored in the onboard 1 GB ROM?
Is the 8 GB internal memory on a microSD card?

The 8GB is internal. There is an empty MicroSD slot in the back to upgrade the phone by an additional maximum of 32GB. However, you may want to check this out:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=834144

When the people on the gadget blogs open WP7 devices up, they have generally been finding SanDisk class 4 cards hidden inside. I think only the Optimus 7 was found to be using flash nand so far. Haven't seen a teardown for the Focus yet, but if I had to bet $5 on it, I'd say there's a microsd card in there for the 8gb included storage.

FL5 said:
When the people on the gadget blogs open WP7 devices up, they have generally been finding SanDisk class 4 cards hidden inside. I think only the Optimus 7 was found to be using flash nand so far. Haven't seen a teardown for the Focus yet, but if I had to bet $5 on it, I'd say there's a microsd card in there for the 8gb included storage.
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Actually no, I don't where you get your conclusion from. So far, only HTC phones appear to have internal SD cards. Samsungs are NAND chips only. There is a tear down thread for Focus's international cusin, Omnia 7 in Omnia 7 section of this forum.

Oh, wow, that both makes me happier about my purchase and disappointed in HTC at the same time. You shoulda taken me up on that bet; you'd have $5!

You can see the focus in detail here: http://pocketnow.com/windows-phone/samsung-focus-review. Mine didn't come with a card, so the MicroSD I added was additional memory.

Samsung supplies NAND flash chips for majority of flash cards out there. It makes no sense for Samsung to use someone else's microSD cards (with its NAND chips inside) instead of its own NAND chip directly.

xmckinzie said:
You can see the focus in detail here: http://pocketnow.com/windows-phone/samsung-focus-review. Mine didn't come with a card, so the MicroSD I added was additional memory.
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No one has tear down a Focus yet. That review, alone with others, just shows the back side of the phone. A tear down needs to disassemble everything and show photos of the circuit board.

The SD card support (Updated: Answer from Motorola support)

My original question:
Anyone know how is this SD card support on Xoom?
I meant, is it micro SD card, mini or full size?
Is there any hardware slot?
Or is it via USB port?
I don't recall there is hardware slot there to insert SD card when I saw all those "hands on".
Answer from Motorola support can be seen from my update here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=11546402&postcount=19

gogol said:
Anyone know how is this SD card support on Xoom?
I meant, is it micro SD card, mini or full size?
Is there any hardware slot?
Or is it via USB port?
I don't recall there is hardware slot there to insert SD card when I saw all those "hands on".
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All legit androids use microSD, as does the XOOM.
I don't know what you mean by hardware slot.
USB Port? Are you asking how the microSD slot interfaces with the device? Your question is good, because I too have been wondering where the SD Card goes.
http://www.androidcentral.com/motor...ardware-upgrade-4g-software-patch-microsd-use

I am not seeing any mention of SD card slot in the specs or in the user manual. Am I missing it somewhere?
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Motorol...rice/1946179.p?id=1218305636450&skuId=1946179

There is a microsd slot at the top of the device. I think i remember seeing it in a hands on video
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jvs60 said:
There is a microsd slot at the top of the device. I think i remember seeing it in a hands on video
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I saw it in a video but it was not the same model. It had a different color for the back. But it is odd that on Best Buy site the specs show NO for sd slot and no mention of it on Motorola site or user manual. Not sure why this is a big secret since it is a big deal and in fact, deal breaker for me if it is not there.

keitht said:
I saw it in a video but it was not the same model. It had a different color for the back. But it is odd that on Best Buy site the specs show NO for sd slot and no mention of it on Motorola site or user manual. Not sure why this is a big secret since it is a big deal and in fact, deal breaker for me if it is not there.
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I think I remember hearing somewhere around CES that the SD card slot didn't work and was going to be activated by a later patch. What's up with the Xoom being shipped with all kinds of missing functionality?

The BGR hands-on with the Xoom this week mentions the microSD slot is on the top of the device, along with the headphone jack and SIM slot (if applicable). There is a microSD slot on the device. It's been mentioned several times that it will require a software update from Moto to activate it - it's not clear whether that's a Google issue or a Motorola issue. There has been some speculation that it was because Android 3.0 didn't yet support SD cards at the time the Xoom was being demo'd.

dwboston said:
The BGR hands-on with the Xoom this week mentions the microSD slot is on the top of the device, along with the headphone jack and SIM slot (if applicable). There is a microSD slot on the device. It's been mentioned several times that it will require a software update from Moto to activate it - it's not clear whether that's a Google issue or a Motorola issue. There has been some speculation that it was because Android 3.0 didn't yet support SD cards at the time the Xoom was being demo'd.
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Perhaps that is why it is not mentioned in any of the official specs. Pretty lame for a $800 device. So I wonder if the slot is there, when it will actually work? Very sloppy.

on page 10 of the manual theres a reference to microsd card. as for where it is i remember seeing it on the top of the xoom during hands on videos.

socomdark said:
on page 10 of the manual theres a reference to microsd card. as for where it is i remember seeing it on the top of the xoom during hands on videos.
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Thanks, I missed that:
"Tips & tricks
• Photos and videos are stored on your micro SD
memory card."
I just hope it actually works without waiting for an update. It is odd that Best Buy specs for the device do not mention an SD slot even exists.

Yes. Support WILL come. I would love to know how they are having trouble with something so basic. Based on the Viewsonic G-Tablet labeling internal memory as SD 1 and the SD card as SD 2.. perhaps they are working on a more fluid integration of it. As long as they let me put the 50,000 apps I plan to install on the internal memory similar to App2SD I'm happy for now.

keitht said:
Perhaps that is why it is not mentioned in any of the official specs. Pretty lame for a $800 device. So I wonder if the slot is there, when it will actually work? Very sloppy.
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I'm not bashing the iPad, but do the expensive iPad WiFi+3G versions support microSD? No, they don't. MicroSD support will come, likely shortly after launch, and 32GB of storage will be enough to tide people over until it does. I'm not worried about it.

dwboston said:
I'm not bashing the iPad, but do the expensive iPad WiFi+3G versions support microSD? No, they don't. MicroSD support will come, likely shortly after launch, and 32GB of storage will be enough to tide people over until it does. I'm not worried about it.
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I don't understand this comparison. If Apple had a MicroSD card on the device, it would most definitely work out of the box.

dwboston said:
I'm not bashing the iPad, but do the expensive iPad WiFi+3G versions support microSD? No, they don't. MicroSD support will come, likely shortly after launch, and 32GB of storage will be enough to tide people over until it does. I'm not worried about it.
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An interesting point. iPad doesn't have the functionality at all and never will based on current devices. You have to decide how much space you want at release, which I find annoying as I always bought the cheapest device.
keitht said:
I don't understand this comparison. If Apple had a MicroSD card on the device, it would most definitely work out of the box.
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On one hand, I agree, Apple never releases a device unfinished. On the other hand, they accomplish this by taking a long time for a device to come to market, and they are always behind in both specs and features.
Apple has proven the merit of a wholly controlled ecosystem that lends to a more solid device. Many people don't care about specs and advanced features.

setite said:
An interesting point. iPad doesn't have the functionality at all and never will based on current devices. You have to decide how much space you want at release, which I find annoying as I always bought the cheapest device.
On one hand, I agree, Apple never releases a device unfinished. On the other hand, they accomplish this by taking a long time for a device to come to market, and they are always behind in both specs and features.
Apple has proven the merit of a wholly controlled ecosystem that lends to a more solid device. Many people don't care about specs and advanced features.
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Apple does take their time and won't rush to just release a product.
I am sure motorola will have a patch ready to go soon if not already. they may have already gotten it done and put on the device.

Being an early adopter of gadgets I understand that sometimes the first release can be a little buggy.
However it bugs me that Motorola did not clarify these issues. No flash and no SD support out of the gate is something that should have been clarified to everyone. I have followed pretty closely the last month and did not realize either of these issues until today.
Having the promise of working features after day 1 is not always a lock as my Galaxy S phone was promised to have an update for flash support and an update to fix the GPS issue yet that has never happened.
i am still buying one on Thursday but will be deciding on the 29th day if I feel I can trust Motorola.

MOTO just wanted to wear the hat of "first to market a honeycomb tablet". Its a race for that hat, with solid patches coming down the pipe pretty quickly.

setite said:
An interesting point. iPad doesn't have the functionality at all and never will based on current devices. You have to decide how much space you want at release, which I find annoying as I always bought the cheapest device.
On one hand, I agree, Apple never releases a device unfinished. On the other hand, they accomplish this by taking a long time for a device to come to market, and they are always behind in both specs and features.
Apple has proven the merit of a wholly controlled ecosystem that lends to a more solid device. Many people don't care about specs and advanced features.
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Not sure why we are talking about the Ianything.. But Cut and Paste wasn't initially supported ... enough said.

This has been answered by the Motorola supports:
https://supportforums.motorola.com/thread/45325?tstart=0
DansDroid wrote:
Yes Sir, received it today. Here are my readings with all of my apps and settings automatically transferred over. Total internal storage is 28.78gb., 698 mb. media, 518 mb. applications and 27.60 gb. available. There is an external sliding door for the external microSD card and SIM tray that will allow for the Verizon 4G LTE card when both are available in a future software upgrade. The external microSD card, when enabled, will support up to 32 gb., as I had thought. --- Dan
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So, apparently, this could be something NEW to Android.
There is only 1 single partition for all apps, media, files, etc.
That's good!

I think I talked about this in a different thread, but the reason for the delay in sd card support is because the sd card will not be mounted/unmounted whenever you plug it into the pc. Which I would prefer. Having my sd card mount and unmount every time I plug it into the pc is annoying.
This is the reason for the delay. Rebuilding the wheel takes some time.

16GB to 32GB Upgrade?

I am picking up a 16GB A500 from Staples today (only $300 w/the coupon, woot!), and would like to upgrade the internal memory to 32GB. I'm certain that the memory is soldered to the board, but am curious if the existing memory requires replacement or if there is an empty location for another 16GB memory chip.
Has anyone tried this, and/or are there any photos of a torn-down A500? TIA for any inputs.

There is no vacant slot for another flash chip. There are plenty of pics of the internals, and even some teardown videos if you care to google.

This like most all imbedded devices is what you have is what you get monotonous mentioned to be updated. So that software major ones willbforce youbto buy a new tablet sooner its the price we paybto have the next best thing

I recommend just putting in a 16GB or even 32GB microsd. They are a little weird the way you access them though. To save you some digging:
Your 16GB internal storage will come up under /sdcard/ while the external card is /mnt/external_sd (or something like that).

So if there isn't an open location on the board, that would require removing the current 16 GB chip and replacing it with a 32GB chip. No big deal.
I've already got a 16GB microSD, but some programs are stubborn about not moving to micro SD. This tab is a replacement for my gTab, I'll be rooting it soon and am not scared of internal upgrades.

ThatGeekGuy said:
So if there isn't an open location on the board, that would require removing the current 16 GB chip and replacing it with a 32GB chip. No big deal.
I've already got a 16GB microSD, but some programs are stubborn about not moving to micro SD. This tab is a replacement for my gTab, I'll be rooting it soon and am not scared of internal upgrades.
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I think you're confused...
There is 16GB internal AND you can ADD a 16GB memory card which gives you 32GB total. That is not 32GB internal, per se, even though it's all contained within the device physically.
Changing from 16GB to 32GB would require physically tearing apart the A500 then putting in the 32GB chip, which is an on board chip, not a simple micro-SD card.
You could also just add a 32GB micro-SD card and end up with 48GB total.

Guys/gals he seems to be aware about having to tear apart the iconia to add the memory in his first post he states that its soldered and later says hes not scared of internal upgrades
To answer your question from what I have seen you are correct you would have to de-solder and remove the 16gb chip and solder the 32 in its place . you are either very brave or have some good experience lol
let us know how the upgrade goes!

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Guys/gals he seems to be aware about having to tear apart the iconia to add the memory in his first post he states that its soldered and later says hes not scared of internal upgrades
To answer your question from what I have seen you are correct you would have to de-solder and remove the 16gb chip and solder the 32 in its place . you are either very brave or have some good experience lol
let us know how the upgrade goes!
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I hear that, the impression that I got was that ThatGeekGuy was ready to dive in head first.
@ThatGeekGuy.. If I had the equipment I'd do exactly what you're trying to do, please let us know if you achieve what you set out to do!

Why not try 64gb?

nice Idea!
good luck
I would think about partitioning the chip and copying the OS onto it beforehand,
after all, even the recovery is on that chip

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I hear that, the impression that I got was that ThatGeekGuy was ready to dive in head first.
@ThatGeekGuy.. If I had the equipment I'd do exactly what you're trying to do, please let us know if you achieve what you set out to do!
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I see that in the post as well, but I mean if someone really understands the impact of that then they probably wouldn't be on this forum asking questions about it. They would know that there's not an open slot... maybe that's a bad assumption on my part.
Just seems that the knowledge/skills necessary with replacing the onboard memory did not match the question being asked...

I'm aware that the memory upgrade involves teardown of the unit, and is not a simple plug-in like an SD card. My main curiosity was if it would require simple soldering of an additional chip, or removal and replacement of the existing one. Many boards (mobos, latops, tablets) have upgrade locations on the board layout, and only populate them based on what options are ordered. On my gTablet, the layout was on the board to accomodate a GPS circuit that was never populated. Some enterprising folks here on XDA figured out the components and code required to get it functional.
If it is a remove and replace upgrade, it can definitely be more challenging. As wolfman mentioned, the ROM is in the current chip. Hmmm, more research before jumping off this bridge ....

ThatGeekGuy said:
I'm aware that the memory upgrade involves teardown of the unit, and is not a simple plug-in like an SD card. My main curiosity was if it would require simple soldering of an additional chip, or removal and replacement of the existing one. Many boards (mobos, latops, tablets) have upgrade locations on the board layout, and only populate them based on what options are ordered. On my gTablet, the layout was on the board to accomodate a GPS circuit that was never populated. Some enterprising folks here on XDA figured out the components and code required to get it functional.
If it is a remove and replace upgrade, it can definitely be more challenging. As wolfman mentioned, the ROM is in the current chip. Hmmm, more research before jumping off this bridge ....
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Good deal! Just wanted to make sure!
best of luck!

ThatGeekGuy said:
I'm aware that the memory upgrade involves teardown of the unit, and is not a simple plug-in like an SD card. My main curiosity was if it would require simple soldering of an additional chip, or removal and replacement of the existing one. Many boards (mobos, latops, tablets) have upgrade locations on the board layout, and only populate them based on what options are ordered. On my gTablet, the layout was on the board to accomodate a GPS circuit that was never populated. Some enterprising folks here on XDA figured out the components and code required to get it functional.
If it is a remove and replace upgrade, it can definitely be more challenging. As wolfman mentioned, the ROM is in the current chip. Hmmm, more research before jumping off this bridge ....
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ThatGeekGuy, did you go thought with changing out your internal memory? I've been doing alot of research on how to crack the tablet open, swapping out the internal memory chip and adding a SIM card reader.

oxbeast1210 said:
Guys/gals he seems to be aware about having to tear apart the iconia to add the memory in his first post he states that its soldered and later says hes not scared of internal upgrades
To answer your question from what I have seen you are correct you would have to de-solder and remove the 16gb chip and solder the 32 in its place . you are either very brave or have some good experience lol
let us know how the upgrade goes!
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He would also figure out how to boot up since his storage is blank
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SD card and storage controversy

Such a huge disappointment to me personally....Samsung is apparently not allowing adoptable storage, meaning that everyone in Europe will be stuck with 32 gb minus whatever is reserved for the OS. I am still at a loss as to how Samsung came up with the brilliant idea to have only 32 gb models available.
It seems that the same also goes for the new LG G5.
Well, I was very close to buying my first ever Samsung phone....

It might have to do with the ufs storage being so fast that sticking a cheap/slow sd card will hamper loading times with apps that are installed on it . Thats my guess at least.

Something like this will probably work. I would bet this technique will work fine on the s7 with either no or minor modifications.
https://reddit.com/r/lgg4/comments/3z1bfi/enable_adoptable_storage_on_your_lg_g4_stock_no/
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I think it's a good idea. Store your media in microSD, let UFS handle apps. There is a good write-up here to understand the concept.
http://www.androidcentral.com/inside-marshmallow-adoptable-storage
Adoptable storage is really only useful for two things:
- An SD card placed in a phone or tablet and never to be removed
- A USB storage device attached to your Android TV box, and never to be removed.
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That means your microSD is NOT removeable while using adopotable storage option.
If you try to remove it, things go haywire.
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There's also the bit about how SD cards have a limited number of times they can be read from and written to. Using an SD card the "normal" way means failures are uncommon. When you start caching data and reading and writing at a rate higher than a card was designed to handle, problems can arise.
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I personally prefer it split. The default folder structure is a complete mess and its such a pain having to find my documents, music, camera folders etc when they are all mixed in with junk folders so its much better to have them stored separately on the sd card. I just wish that Chrome would add the option of changing the default download location.

NYanakiev1 said:
Such a huge disappointment to me personally....Samsung is apparently not allowing adoptable storage, meaning that everyone in Europe will be stuck with 32 gb minus whatever is reserved for the OS. I am still at a loss as to how Samsung came up with the brilliant idea to have only 32 gb models available.
It seems that the same also goes for the new LG G5.
Well, I was very close to buying my first ever Samsung phone....
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Same here, I was going to pre-order one with 64gb or 128gb but only 32gb available; what a disappointment. I don't like to use micro SD card. I'm not getting one for that reason.

I'm holding out for a 64gb model. 32gb just isnt enough,

This won't affect me, since I don't game, my 16gb S4 already has enough OS/app storage, & I use my 128gb SD as static music storage. However, I agree that this option should be present for people who have different usage patterns than mine, especially since Sandisk just released super fast SD cards. Even better would be 64/128gb built-in to make the point moot for just about anyone.

Dwayne01 said:
I'm holding out for a 64gb model. 32gb just isnt enough,
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Well if you're in the states you won't be getting a 64GB version lol so I would suggest getting an SD card so you can start enjoying this beautiful phone

I too am disappointed with no 64gb option. Unreal. Freaking kids that complained got what they want. Now i personally will not buy it because I'm forced to use slow ass sd card. Stupid. So stupid. No one realizes that ufs is stupid faster then the best sd cards except for the diehards.

v2.2v said:
Well if you're in the states you won't be getting a 64GB version lol so I would suggest getting an SD card so you can start enjoying this beautiful phone
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I'm in the UK, so there is still hope

Samsung's explanation seems kinda dumb, they could have just added that option in Developer settings or something.

I wonder if this is something that could be enacted in a custom ROM.

I guess I understand the disappointment but 32 gig is plenty of room especially if ya pack all pictures and music off the side.
It will be yet a better reason to root and free up bloat of space is an issue??

daLareid said:
Samsung's explanation seems kinda dumb, they could have just added that option in Developer settings or something.
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No, it's quiet brillant from both LG and Samsung.
Phone are not made for people in XDA. My friends (some of who work in IT or other engineers) don't even know or care about 'Developer Settings'. My parents know nothing more than taking photos on defualt settings, listening music, messages etc., Do you think these people will have any idea about adoptable storage?
Samsung doesn't care about XDA people, and rightly so. You don't run a trillion dollar business based on whims of XDA folks. What's best for common man is what's their aim. And I applaud them for thinking beyond geek mentality. Same goes for LG.

CLARiiON said:
No, it's quiet brillant from both LG and Samsung.
Phone are not made for people in XDA. My friends (some of who work in IT or other engineers) don't even know or care about 'Developer Settings'. My parents know nothing more than taking photos on defualt settings, listening music, messages etc., Do you think these people will have any idea about adoptable storage?
Samsung doesn't care about XDA people, and rightly so. You don't run a trillion dollar business based on whims of XDA folks. What's best for common man is what's their aim. And I applaud them for thinking beyond geek mentality. Same goes for LG.
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I understand and kind of agree with this, but by this same reasoning, they should never have brought back the idea of expandable memory in the first place.
Virtually all of the people you refer to as not needing, caring about, or even necessarily understanding the idea of adoptable storage are not much more likely to need, care about, or understand the idea of portable storage either.
And yet, here we are with the SD card slot re-added to the 2016 models. Samsung must have been responding to a minority of their consumers complaining about loss of expandable storage or they would never have done this.
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TJCacher said:
I understand and kind of agree with this, but by this same reasoning, they should never have brought back the idea of expandable memory in the first place.
Virtually all of the people you refer to as not needing, caring about, or even necessarily understanding the idea of adoptable storage are not much more likely to need, care about, or understand the idea of portable storage either.
And yet, here we are with the SD card slot re-added to the 2016 models. Samsung must have been responding to a minority of their consumers complaining about loss of expandable storage or they would never have done this.
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The idea remains the same as with the GS5, I'm not sure what you're talking about. Expandable =/= adoptable.
Once a storage device is adopted, it becomes part of the system and is no longer removable. Sure you can physically remove it, but you'll be prompted to put it back while apps and services crash on your phone or tablet. It's adopted — taken in and loved by the system, and made part of the whole.
This means Adoptable storage is really only useful for two things:
An SD card placed in a phone or tablet and never to be removed
A USB storage device attached to your Android TV box, and never to be removed.
When you insert an SD card into the HTC One A9 (the only device I've been able to try it on because Google hates SD cards) you have the choice of using it as a Portable device or an Internal device if you go to reformat it. If you choose Portable, it acts like any other SD card and you can take it out and swap it between devices at your leisure.
If you choose Internal, things change. The device is formatted as a local, 128-bit AES encrypted EXT4 drive and mounted as part of the system. It's then set as the preferred storage, and you're prompted to move data over. Newly generated data is placed on the adopted storage by default.
If you try to remove it, things go haywire.
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http://www.androidcentral.com/inside-marshmallow-adoptable-storage

dandroid13 said:
The idea remains the same as with the GS5, I'm not sure what you're talking about. Expandable =/= adoptable.
http://www.androidcentral.com/inside-marshmallow-adoptable-storage
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Previous post to mine said no adoptable storage on s7 because the great majority of buyers wouldn't understand or care about it.
I was pointing out (or trying to, at least) that if that was the reason that adoptable storage was not included in the s7's version of MM, Samsung probably wouldn't have resurrected the SD slot at all, since the same logic would apply (i.e. the vast majority of buyers for a huge, huge seller like a Samsung flagship probably won't bother using the SD slot even for its remaining use as portable storage).
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TJCacher said:
Previous post to mine said no adoptable storage on s7 because the great majority of buyers wouldn't understand or care about it.
I was pointing out (or trying to, at least) that if that was the reason that adoptable storage was not included in the s7's version of MM, Samsung probably wouldn't have resurrected the SD slot at all, since the same logic would apply (vast majority of buyers for a huge, huge seller like a Samsung flagship won't bother using the SD slot even for its remaining use as portable storage).
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Well, without adoptable you can put it in and forget, no need to care about formatting and losing your data. It would create more confusion.

Adoptable Storage is fine for $100 phones sold in emerging markets because their internals are slow performance wise. For a flagship all its storage will perform at the lowest common denominator which is the speed capabilities of the external SD card. LG and Samsung's choice makes sense. Use the slower less reliable storage for big ass video, RAW, and FLAC files and the faster storage for everything else. Their approach also lets media be shared via the external SD being removable which is impossible with Adoptable Storage. Just because Google puts something out doesn't make it good. As for performance, I can't remember any long threads saying using external storage to play files was ever a problem performance wise.
And for those with the bucks your worries about slow external storage can be solved...
https://www.sandisk.com/about/media...-card-featuring-worlds-fastest-transfer-speed