Database Users

Nexus One vs. Galaxy S (T-Mobile USA)

The only difference I see is the .3 size increase in the screen. Anything else different? Thanks

Well apparently the N1 now officially has 2.2. I'd say that's a pretty big feature.

Yea, but the Galaxy S will also have 2.2 ... Its already been rooted by Paul...

The Galaxy has a Hummingbird GPU, which is more powerful than the Adreno the Nexus has. Actually I believe it is the best out of all the Android devices.

clickwir said:
Well apparently the N1 now officially has 2.2. I'd say that's a pretty big feature.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Semi-officially...?
http://www.androidguys.com/2010/06/28/google-testing-froyo-builds-frf83-final-release/

i think the jump from the N1 to the Galaxy is nice but more so for someone who wants to have the next best thing, because I'm certainly happy with my N1 with no hurry to purchase a new phone. My brother on the other hand has a blackberry and would like to try something else so i feel its a bigger jump for him then someone with current specs on a phone.

The Galaxy S does not have LED Flash.

Front facing camera
Lack of Camera Flash
Screen if closer to glass
Better GPU

It also has a better screen .... super amoled and real multitouch (like that matters since I don't play games on My phone

How about....it's not running stock Android, so it will take forever to get updates... If it gets updates at all. This is Samsung we're talking about. Anyone remember that Behold II? It's finally getting upgraded... to 1.6. I'd also want to know the details on whether any of the Google services have been replaced by Yahoo, as I had read a couple of months back on Samsung phones.

JCopernicus said:
Front facing camera
Lack of Camera Flash
Screen if closer to glass
Better GPU
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
No front camera on TMOUS version

bskballa92 said:
No front camera on TMOUS version
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Oof, forgot there are like 93 variations of that phone.

JCopernicus said:
Oof, forgot there are like 93 variations of that phone.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Well there is only 1 good version (pro), the other 4 are gimped beyond belief.

1. Galaxy has significantly better media playback. (mkv,divx,xvid ect)
2. Twice as fast 3D performance. (2x FPS in games)
3. Better and bigger screen. (Super Amoled + bigger ! )
4. Screen has flawless multi touch capability ! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVlsRCMltDg

Why in the hell would T-Mo not attempt to push a technologically superior device? I just don't get it....Verizon, Sprint and the DeathStar(at&t) all entice customers with very good devices.... After reading the Tmo Vibrant specs I have no motivation to ditch my Nexus One at all. Actually I'm more inclined to get a HD2 and hack Froyo onto it.

temperbad said:
It also has a better screen .... super amoled and real multitouch (like that matters since I don't play games on My phone
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Yeah the screen and gpu are the biggies in my book. Of course, nexus will be made with a tft LCD (I'm sure I butchered itsbreal make) instead of ****ty amoled soon so maybe the gpu will end up being the main attraction. Whatever I just hope there's a nexus two planned for the future

I do like it's name but will be hanging on to my Nexus for a while

the Galaxy S looks like an iphone from afar ....don't like the external looks

smot13 said:
Well there is only 1 good version (pro), the other 4 are gimped beyond belief.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Uh.. Seriously? Gimped? I too have no idea why they'd not include a FFcamera but being the bad ass phone it is spec wise, could no way in any shape or form consider it gimped lol... Jesus christ. I would only consider maybe a motoblur device gimped... or possibly the htc aria "gimped" a small fraction. Nevermind.
Only one good version? So this version isn't "good"? Please stop.

Worried No Reviews out yet

as it stands im torn between getting the Desire Hd or the SGS, With this phone just less than 2 weeks away from launching. I find it strange that its not been reviewed yet by the likes of Engadget or GSMArena i would have thought HTC would have sent out a Review handset even with BETA firmware. The way its looking it will be onsale before its even been reviewed. I want to read a few reviews before making my mind up on which handset to get. I want a handset that takes good photo'S and videos and i know the SGS is great there but im put off with the problems GPS,LAG etc. I was hoping the DHD would be good but ive got a feeling that the samsung will be better for photo's and videos. Then again i know that HTC will most probably have more updates and the most likly to get gingerbread. Oh this is hard

Look! The database ate yesterday's replies!
Engadget is a US-only site and certainly won't review a phone that doesn't support their oddball 3G frequencies.

Volker1 said:
Look! The database ate yesterday's replies!
Engadget is a US-only site and certainly won't review a phone that doesn't support their oddball 3G frequencies.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
That's not necessarily true. Engadget reviewed the original Desire and the Legend.

SupremeBeaver said:
That's not necessarily true. Engadget reviewed the original Desire and the Legend.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
True, but with the old Desire it was clear that it would be available in the US later (and, in fact, currently is in a CDMA-version). I don't know why they reviewed the Legend without mentioning the 3G bands supported, though

The DHD is basically Europe's etc EVO 4G without the LTE bands (from what I've read and seen). So I'm hedging my bets that the DHD and EVO will perform very similarly in regards to camera and video quality. Performance wise I've heard the DHD is better than the EVO but I can't remember the exact benchmark results, I'm sure googling knows the answer though.

stormfury_2 said:
The DHD is basically Europe's etc EVO 4G without the LTE bands (from what I've read and seen). So I'm hedging my bets that the DHD and EVO will perform very similarly in regards to camera and video quality. Performance wise I've heard the DHD is better than the EVO but I can't remember the exact benchmark results, I'm sure googling knows the answer though.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Im forced to disagree with your opinion on camcorder similarities. The EVO records up to 23 fps. If u see the vids it looks really choppy and not smooth at all.
I'll agree with many people here that, from what we've seen, the quality of the DHD isnt great, but it keeps a solid 30 fps throughout the clip and is far more smooth than the EVO (or any other HTC phone for that matter).

May be so but the actual hardware are identical in specs if you compare them on paper. May just be firmware or driver differences that make the difference in recording. (but honestly I don't know I'm just comparing the specs of both phones).

DHD and Evo have nothing in common except for the 4.3" screen. But that doesn't change the public perception that they are similar... even Engadget proclaimed that the DHD is "an Evo for the rest of the world". But then, as their recent editorials have shown, Engadet editors aren't too technically apt

stormfury_2 said:
May be so but the actual hardware are identical in specs if you compare them on paper. May just be firmware or driver differences that make the difference in recording. (but honestly I don't know I'm just comparing the specs of both phones).
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I'm not sure where you got that idea. The processor speed may be the same but it's a different CPU / GPU (and the GPU is a *lot* faster).

I am well aware the CPU and GPU are newer and much more efficient. My point in reply was that the physical camera could easily be the same model used in the EVO. As people have seen with the N1 and Desire a software update can bring in new features such as the 720p recording and so on.
Anyway I wouldn't be worried about the lack of reviews. HTC may be preventing the reviews from being published until release, it isn't unknown for companies to with hold reviews at their discretion for whatever reason. I wager the review units are out their and being played with and put through their paces right now and when ready you will see them in print and online.

stormfury_2 said:
May be so but the actual hardware are identical in specs if you compare them on paper. May just be firmware or driver differences that make the difference in recording. (but honestly I don't know I'm just comparing the specs of both phones).
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
You must be comparing them in your head or something then, because the Desire HD has a 8255 Snapdragon processor, where as the EVO has a 8650 Snapdragon processor.
Both are 1 GHz in clock speed, but that's about all they share. The 8255 has a 45nm manufacturing process, which means less power consumption and lower heat compared to the 8650's 65nm manufacturing process, and the onboard GPU on the Desire HD is an Adreno 205 compared to the 200 on the EVO 4G.
Do a search for Adreno 205 on YouTube and you'll see just how much more advanced the 205 is. This will be really good when Android 3.0 comes out and we see an accelerated GUI.

cobhc said:
You must be comparing them in your head or something then, because the Desire HD has a 8255 Snapdragon processor, where as the EVO has a 8650 Snapdragon processor.
Both are 1 GHz in clock speed, but that's about all they share. The 8255 has a 45nm manufacturing process, which means less power consumption and lower heat compared to the 8650's 65nm manufacturing process, and the onboard GPU on the Desire HD is an Adreno 205 compared to the 200 on the EVO 4G.
Do a search for Adreno 205 on YouTube and you'll see just how much more advanced the 205 is. This will be really good when Android 3.0 comes out and we see an accelerated GUI.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
My previous post before yours explains what I was actually talking about in the first place. My fault for not making clear I was only talking about the camera.

stormfury_2 said:
My previous post before yours explains what I was actually talking about in the first place. My fault for not making clear I was only talking about the camera.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I see, I must have been busy replying when you posted.

Just youtubed the 205 and you're right it does look pretty special. I think I'm going to bully my iPhone 4 toting friends when i get my DHD. Can't wait!

stormfury_2 said:
Just youtubed the 205 and you're right it does look pretty special. I think I'm going to bully my iPhone 4 toting friends when i get my DHD. Can't wait!
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Yeah, that game they showcased looked amazing to me.

My only real concern is battery life, but hopefully having a power efficient CPU/GPU should ease the drain. I'd be more than happy with a 2 day battery, I can just about squeeze that out of my Hero running Elelinux 1.9 - moderate to heavy use.

stormfury_2 said:
My only real concern is battery life, but hopefully having a power efficient CPU/GPU should ease the drain. I'd be more than happy with a 2 day battery, I can just about squeeze that out of my Hero running Elelinux 1.9 - moderate to heavy use.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
if you buy a spare battery then you'd never have to worry about the phone dying on you again. You're effectively doubling your battery life, and it only costs like 15-20 pounds extra.

SupremeBeaver said:
if you buy a spare battery then you'd never have to worry about the phone dying on you again. You're effectively doubling your battery life, and it only costs like 15-20 pounds extra.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Probably the best idea, will wait and see my upgrade is due just after release so I'm hoping orange will stock it in enough numbers so I can get it. In fact I'll call them this week and find out, assuming they're not going to ignorant and unaware of it's existence still

I've been searching like crazy for reviews as well.
For some reason, HTC seems to be withholding them. I have no idea why, but I think positive reviews would only increase pre order sales and general perception of what is soon to be their flagship phone!
Seems a bit strange, but oh well!

Review
Hi there,
Been using the phone for 3 days (from saturday on):
Battery consumption overnight (8.5h with BT and WiFi on; 3G network): 10%
Phone is running smooth and fast.
Compared to my HTC HD2, the screen reacts faster and more precise.
Seems to be a bit heavier than HD2 and definitely is somewhat longer. No problem though to keep it in shirt breast pocket.
Screen is nice and clear, pixels not showing and less saturated colors than Samsung I9000 Galaxy.
WiFi is very fast.
BT is OK to other laptops, mobiles and carkit.
Voice quality is fine both incoming and outgoing.
The only thing nagging me: I can't change the color of my Exchange agenda items. It works ok with Google agenda's as long as you use the bottom three rows of colors. Exchange won't do it.
Recommend it to anyone searching for top smartphone.
Regards,

Anandtech Review is up

http://www.anandtech.com/show/4686/samsung-galaxy-s-2-international-review-the-best-redefined
According to anandtech there are two different camera sensors being used just like other manufacturers and it makes sense that some are experiencing the color issue and there are two different firmware updates
(I don't have the pink hue issue and i wonder which one i have)

Awesome review. This proves my feeling: SGSII audio quality overall is crap. I am very dissapointed with Galaxy Audio performance. Well, will see what the Samsung Galaxy Note will do.

Very good review

carlitos66 said:
Awesome review. This proves my feeling: SGSII audio quality overall is crap. I am very dissapointed with Galaxy Audio performance. Well, will see what the Samsung Galaxy Note will do.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Now you know why I have Cowon J3 as my mp3 player.
I still have Galaxy S with Voodoo though.

The review says, the lte version of s2 is using different display controller, there is a possiblity for the lte version not to have yellow tint.

amazingly detailed review! i especially loved the excurse into GPU rendering technologies.

Tegra 2 owned by a wide margin.

radier said:
Tegra 2 owned by a wide margin.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
?
What?
They said the Mali-400 is the best GPU in any Cellphone right now

Their review definitively proves the SGS II is the best phone currently available. Droid 3 and EVO 3D users may feel butt hurt after going through their benchmark reviews.

radier said:
Tegra 2 owned by a wide margin.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Hardly, power vr had some of the best theoretical benchmarks, but not in the real world.
It was a great in depth review.
Also Tegra 2 lacks the arm neon SIMD.
Sent from my GT-I9100 using xda premium

I was expecting from Anandtech to cover the gradient banding issue. Professionally, like they do usually. But they didnt even mention that

Pity he just dismissed the AOS bug just simply like that.

Astri said:
I was expecting from Anandtech to cover the gradient banding issue. Professionally, like they do usually. But they didnt even mention that
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Answered in review's comment

radier said:
Tegra 2 owned by a wide margin.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Maybe I'm reading this comment wrong, but I think what this guy is saying is that the Exynos owned Tegra 2 by a lot.

bala_gamer said:
The review says, the lte version of s2 is using different display controller, there is a possiblity for the lte version not to have yellow tint.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
do you know how to check the tint? do all SGS2 have it? just got my phone on saturday havent noticed any tints so far...

Killer Bee said:
Maybe I'm reading this comment wrong, but I think what this guy is saying is that the Exynos owned Tegra 2 by a lot.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I agree with your assumption.
On another note, the review didn't conclude with the audio being "crap", but that it had it's flaws. I have read the original thread by supercurio concerning the audio, and I understand (and hear) that the yamaha chip is an underachiever, but it's still the best sounding smartphone i have owned. Unfortunatly it's not as high end as we'd like it to be (and i understand coming from the original SGS it has to be quite the disappointment) but it doesn't suck either. Samsung has probably learned from this (i hope) and the next SGS iterations has this sorted.
I just hope i don't break this one as fast as I did my HD2. Touch wood.

A little disappointed by the audio in that review. Sad to see that they couldn't even match the iPhone 4 (which I came from). That being said, I am not listening to the device on $100+ headphones ($50-70 range) and it sounds good for what I need it. I got my better quality audio gear on my PC.
Awesome review.

cez10 said:
do you know how to check the tint? do all SGS2 have it? just got my phone on saturday havent noticed any tints so far...
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
goto 1st page of this thread. you will find the test web page to find out whether u have yellow tint or not.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1079444

I definitely do not have the yellow tint issue, never have. As for the colour banding/gradients, I have had this on HTC Desire and Xperia X10, so do not see this as an issue.
I think the sound is fine on this phone. It enables me to listen to music on the bus to work with good quality (through poweramp), and sounds better than any ipod i've ever used, but then I guess thats personal opinion.
/not an audiophile or picky git lol

Adreno 220 faster than Mali-400 but it is have many futures locked

>-----> Comparison: Z1 vs Note 3 playing a heavy 4K video (Spoiler: one of them lags)

>-----> Comparison: Z1 vs Note 3 playing a heavy 4K video (Spoiler: one of them lags)
Here's a video comparison showing both Xperia Z1 and Galaxy Note 3 playing a heavy 4K video.
http://youtu.be/fwn8cgWpTnc
Why is it lagging so bad? (I mean, the other one, compare the butterfly wings for example)
Thoughts?
.

S800 cant handle the sammy bloatwares. Anyway old.

Good Luck recording 4K videos then haha

when I had XZU I played a few sample 4k videos and they play flawlessly

dang the color difference is just so far apart. XZ1 FTW

Take that Samsung! Screen of Z1 also is way better, ZU also has great screen like the Z1 and plays things better then Note 3 with less rom
Samsung big fail with 3GB ram etc and still a crappy phone

krabappel2548 said:
Take that Samsung! Screen of Z1 also is way better, ZU also has great screen like the Z1 and plays things better then Note 3 with less rom
Samsung big fail with 3GB ram etc and still a crappy phone
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Curiously enough, when Samsung learned Sony was getting the same SoC as their newest flagship and Sony was shipping it earlier, they ordered Qualcomm to "slightly overclock" their SoCs in order to keep the king-of-the-hill position, but as you know for sure overclocking is not always easy and not always a good idea. I'm dying to see a battery life comparo between those two beasts.
.

gtrab said:
Curiously enough, when Samsung learned Sony was getting the same SoC as their newest flagship and Sony was shipping it earlier, they ordered Qualcomm to "slightly overclock" their SoCs in order to keep the king-of-the-hill position, but as you know for sure overclocking is not always easy and not always a good idea. I'm dying to see a battery life comparo between those two beasts.
.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
OMG Overclocking by 0.1GHz is so significant!

Sean473 said:
OMG Overclocking by 0.1GHz is so significant!
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Have you ever overclocked a Kernel?
And yes it is very significant... to Samsung's marketing dept.
.

Sean473 said:
OMG Overclocking by 0.1GHz is so significant!
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
They probably still do the same benchmark cheating like they had, especially when they actually admitted it and said they did nothing wrong. I always wonder why Touchwiz is laggier than others with the same/similar SoC and yet it always top on benchmark. That was why.

the last few posts on this thread mean nothing to me, I have seen benchmark scores from Z1 that are better than a higher clocked device - does it really matter ?
what's the phone recently that has a rear end stitched on - what were they thinking, that just threw me completely - I can't say more because I am totally blown away - who decided that a modern device looked cool with the back panel stitched on ???????

Geoffxx said:
the last few posts on this thread mean nothing to me, I have seen benchmark scores from Z1 that are better than a higher clocked device - does it really matter ?
what's the phone recently that has a rear end stitched on - what were they thinking, that just through me completely - I can't say more because I am totally blown away - who decided that a modern device looked cool with the back panel stitched on ???????
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
wtf are you talking about....Note 3 has changeable back plate anyway.

gtrab said:
Curiously enough, when Samsung learned Sony was getting the same SoC as their newest flagship and Sony was shipping it earlier, they ordered Qualcomm to "slightly overclock" their SoCs in order to keep the king-of-the-hill position, but as you know for sure overclocking is not always easy and not always a good idea. I'm dying to see a battery life comparo between those two beasts.
.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
It's not "slightly overclocked", it's just another variant of the chip...
Sent from my C6603 using xda app-developers app

inffy said:
wtf are you talking about....Note 3 has changeable back plate anyway.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
http://www.imore.com/samsung-picks-faux-stitched-leather-and-slaps-it-back-galaxy-note-3

Damn some people in here have no clue what they are talking about.
The s800 supports 4k video fine the note 3 dropping frames is a firmware problem not hardware and will be fixed with an update.
The s800 in the note 3 is also superior to the one in the Z1, its not overclocked its called a higher bin soc. The s800 in the z1 has a max gpu clock of 450mhz the one in the note 3 has a max gpu clock of 550mhz.
Geoffxx said:
http://www.imore.com/samsung-picks-faux-stitched-leather-and-slaps-it-back-galaxy-note-3
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Its a faux stitching. The back is plastic and is removable

krispy1 said:
Damn some people in here have no clue what they are talking about.
The s800 supports 4k video fine the note 3 dropping frames is a firmware problem not hardware and will be fixed with an update.
The s800 in the note 3 is also superior to the one in the Z1, its not overclocked its called a higher bin soc. The s800 in the z1 has a max gpu clock of 450mhz the one in the note 3 has a max gpu clock of 550mhz.
Its a faux stitching. The back is plastic and is removable
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
So apparently, there's this Samsung fanboy, running here to give the Note 3 protection and unnecessary details like how Note 3's SOC is superior. Seriously?
Sent from my LT28h using xda app-developers app

lee480 said:
So apparently, there's this Samsung fanboy, running here to give the Note 3 protection and unnecessary details like how Note 3's SOC is superior. Seriously?
Sent from my LT28h using xda app-developers app
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Someone said the Note 3's SoC was overclocked. He's simply saying it isn't.
I fail to see the fanboyism.

krispy1 said:
Damn some people in here have no clue what they are talking about.
The s800 supports 4k video fine the note 3 dropping frames is a firmware problem not hardware and will be fixed with an update.
The s800 in the note 3 is also superior to the one in the Z1, its not overclocked its called a higher bin soc. The s800 in the z1 has a max gpu clock of 450mhz the one in the note 3 has a max gpu clock of 550mhz.
Its a faux stitching. The back is plastic and is removable
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Major problem in all samsung Device ia touchwiz, samsung always have good devices in hardware.
Sent from my GT-I9500 using xda app-developers app

le_lutin said:
Someone said the Note 3's SoC was overclocked. He's simply saying it isn't.
I fail to see the fanboyism.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I agree, it wasn't fanboyism. Although it was wrong as far as I can tell, I find no record of any phone other than the Xiaomi MiPhone3 that is shipping with the MSM8974AB, which has the higher clocked GPU. Everything I can find points to the GNote 3 shipping with the same MSM8974 CPU as the Sony Xperia Z1.

The screen is only good in the Gallery App, when playing games IPS and Amoled emits better colour or doesn't look as dull. Of course you won't notice this until you put them side by side. I mean the Xperia Z1 screen is beautiful but Sony should really just use the same colour calibration on the gallery app through out the whole system.

LG must use thermal compound

Guys, look at this
This is pathetic results for SD800. And the reason of so low bench results is absence of thermal pad on the SoC.
This was the case with first Nexus 4 http://forum.xda-developers.com/nexus-4/general/hardmod-nexus-4-investigating-thermal-t2144652, the same is with Nexus 5 http://forum.xda-developers.com/goo...de-nexus-5s-throttling-solved-adding-t2627714 and the same goes to LGG2.
I mean, when I spend $600+ for expensive phone I want it perform better than competitors' ones, I mean Xperia Z1, Note 3, Xperia Z Ultra. I what my bang for the buck
What do you think? Would you buy G Pro 2 or LG G3 if they will lack thermal grease too?

Benchmarks mean nothing, the phone runs fine and quickly, games play fine at good frame rates, so its pointless doing this.
Transferring heat away from a components thats designed to handle it to a component that isnt is a bad idea. You may not think the screen is getting heated, but there a layers of very insulating glass between you and the LCD, you wont be aware just how warm it is. Heat affects LCDs, in time you might end up with a dark spot where the CPU is.

Billy Madison said:
Guys, look at this
This is pathetic results for SD800. And the reason of so low bench results is absence of thermal pad on the SoC.
This was the case with first Nexus 4 http://forum.xda-developers.com/nexus-4/general/hardmod-nexus-4-investigating-thermal-t2144652, the same is with Nexus 5 http://forum.xda-developers.com/goo...de-nexus-5s-throttling-solved-adding-t2627714 and the same goes to LGG2.
I mean, when I spend $600+ for expensive phone I want it perform better than competitors' ones, I mean Xperia Z1, Note 3, Xperia Z Ultra. I what my bang for the buck
What do you think? Would you buy G Pro 2 or LG G3 if they will lack thermal grease too?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
What exactly is the "bang for your buck" that you require? What does the G2 not do for you that the Note 3 or Z1 does that is so crucial to daily life?
Because if it is just benchmarks, then as mentioned above, they mean nothing.

Billy Madison said:
Guys, look at this
This is pathetic results for SD800. And the reason of so low bench results is absence of thermal pad on the SoC.
This was the case with first Nexus 4 http://forum.xda-developers.com/nexus-4/general/hardmod-nexus-4-investigating-thermal-t2144652, the same is with Nexus 5 http://forum.xda-developers.com/goo...de-nexus-5s-throttling-solved-adding-t2627714 and the same goes to LGG2.
I mean, when I spend $600+ for expensive phone I want it perform better than competitors' ones, I mean Xperia Z1, Note 3, Xperia Z Ultra. I what my bang for the buck
What do you think? Would you buy G Pro 2 or LG G3 if they will lack thermal grease too?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
not long ago the g2 rocked the benchmarks mwahhaha so there with your thermal grease

bachera said:
not long ago the g2 rocked the benchmarks mwahhaha so there with your thermal grease
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
the kk update killed the bench score, i think mine dropped like 10k.

Benchmarks are the worse thing to ever happen to android. You would think that the moto x with its "out of date" specs still running smoother then the s5 would prove once and for all that benchmark scores are pointless. I don't care if the note 3 or s5 put up record breaking omg wtf fml scores...it still lags and mine doesn't! Lol....
Sent from my VS980 4G
---------- Post added at 06:37 AM ---------- Previous post was at 06:30 AM ----------
To add to this.... lets say you bought 2 cars. Both cost the same, one car says 700 hp, 0-60 in 3 seconds. The second car has 300 hp, 0-60 in 6 seconds. But once you get on the road, the 300 hp drives better, feels faster in every way and gets much better gas mileage. There's what's on paper, and there's real life.
Sent from my VS980 4G

bweN diorD said:
the kk update killed the bench score, i think mine dropped like 10k.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
but user experience increased a lot right? ui flluidness/ opening of apps?

mgolder said:
Benchmark d*ck swinging - The rankings equivalent of being the moron who still says 'FIRST' on a comments section
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
lol, I dont mind good benchmarks, there just arent any on android that measure fluidness/real life snappyness.
First! after the guy who doesnt like firsts.

bachera said:
but user experience increased a lot right? ui flluidness/ opening of apps?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
i dont see it. my phone was snappy and fluid before the update, its the same now.
as for the benchmark comments. i agree to a degree that they dont mean a lot, but a 25-35% drop seems a bit extreme for an update.
seems like they boosted the benches to boost sales when it was new.

The fluidity and the battery are awesome. I love everything on that phone. Even if LG doesn't keep it updated it will still be one great phone that i own/ed...

bodom_hc said:
Its pathetic you ACTUALLY care about benchmarks, lol.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I don't care bout benches, I care about what I paid for, and I use, as everyone else does, benches to prove that my item works as intended. Did you hear about lags when doing spherical panoramas? when phone overheats and process too long, longer than it must? It's the same story. Did you hear about "slow focus" in G2? Everybody did. Maybe it partly is because of early frequency drop, maybe not so.
And not only I care for benchmarks, look there http://blog.gsmarena.com/lg-g2-jelly-bean-vs-kitkat-benchmark-battle/

Billy Madison said:
I don't care bout benches, I care about what I paid for, and I use, as everyone else does, benches to prove that my item works as intended. Did you hear about lags when doing spherical panoramas? when phone overheats and process too long, longer than it must? It's the same story. Did you hear about "slow focus" in G2? Everybody did. Maybe it partly is because of early frequency drop, maybe not so.
And not only I care for benchmarks, look there http://blog.gsmarena.com/lg-g2-jelly-bean-vs-kitkat-benchmark-battle/
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
But you didn't pay for a device that guarantees you any particular score in artificially inflated benchmark tests though. No manufacturer will launch a device guaranteeing someone a set score all the time. So what is it that you think you should have that you haven't got now? I thin that is what we can't understand.

mgolder said:
But you didn't pay for a device that guarantees you any particular score in artificially inflated benchmark tests though. No manufacturer will launch a device guaranteeing someone a set score all the time. So what is it that you think you should have that you haven't got now? I thin that is what we can't understand.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Man, I want it to not lag earlyer than do another smartphones. Did you hear of lags when playing Spiderman 2? I've heard that G2 is not capable of playing this recent new game smoothly, as device with SD800 should. OK I don't play Spiderman2 and did not by to play benchmarks, I only use benchmarks as examples that internally G2, Nexus 4, Nexus 5 do not constructed properly. And as I did http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2299888 when I complained of improper color temperatures of G Pro LG reacted and made G2 display perfectly calibrated and on par with HTC One and iPhone 5S. So I think that in future G3 they'll do something with SoC cooling and improve performance when gaming for long time

Billy Madison said:
And not only I care for benchmarks, look there http://blog.gsmarena.com/lg-g2-jelly-bean-vs-kitkat-benchmark-battle/
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
These things have nothing to do with benchmarks:
Did you hear about lags when doing spherical panoramas?Overheating can be many things, I have yet to find a phone that doesnt overheat sometimes. Usually a clean instal fixes this nicely. Its Android I guess and faulty install scenarios.
It's the same story. Did you hear about "slow focus" in G2? -> slow focus is the automatic focus, press on screen where you want focus and its almost instant. Google camera is pretty good. there are other settings that can tweak this.
That said, benchmarks in my opinion do nothing good for true user experience.
I do believe Android needs to step up on the user experience game as my comments above prove enough that this device, I say all android devices, need to much customization to be perfect. All these workarounds To fix these real issues that some users find anoying, not higher benchmarks are needed.

lol, and does kitkat score less in that? didnt see you post scores once with that nor found your arguments on it.Stop trolling yourself and post some proof then.
so my arguments from that standingpoint still hold.
I also couldnt find it featured on any major android website, wonder why.
the one benchmarktool I dont know, its only got 33 reviews, hardly antutu level. wonder if its representative.
This could be a benchmark that actually does measure some important stuff I am talking about. Interesting. thanks for sharing
omg the downloading is soo slow wow

ok ran the benchmark. but I am not impressed as it benchmarks with its own gui, not the actual phones gui. Also it doesnt benchmark the panorama shots or any camera shots for that matter.
I guess I wasnt wrong after all... sad was hoping big on this benchmarking tool to finally have a representative view of a gui from a user point of view.

People, so upsest with benchmarks, its not like its a gaming computer/server where you squeeze every bit of performance regardless of powerdraw etc, its a phone lol, and its smoother than before KitKat. Xperia Z is a good example of benchmarks vs sucking in real life ex horrible battery life....

bachera said:
ok ran the benchmark. but I am not impressed as it benchmarks with its own gui, not the actual phones gui. Also it doesnt benchmark the panorama shots or any camera shots for that matter.
I guess I wasnt wrong after all... sad was hoping big on this benchmarking tool to finally have a representative view of a gui from a user point of view.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Well, from the user point of view you should your Gallery scroll, Zoom scroll, list scroll results. The gallery scroll is what fubar in LG's UI. It scores around 35-37FPS, right? But on the Nexus it scores 50-55 fps or near. All other scrolls on LG are pretty near 60 fps, so as on every other smartphone and all right with them. But gallery scroll is bad. Did you use Tapatalk ever? Have you noticed when you try to swipe from right to left to open next page the tapatalk just stagger, hangs for .5sec, and then completes the move? It shouldn't, scroll must be buttery as is in HTC phones
abhinav.tella said:
People, so upsest with benchmarks, its not like its a gaming computer/server where you squeeze every bit of performance regardless of powerdraw etc.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Check my hwbot prime score it is 1688 and compare to Nexus 5 scores that has same MSM8974A packed in LG box. 2923 points. pretty 50% increase just because of software, huh. Or the next result , 3075

Billy Madison said:
Well, from the user point of view you should your Gallery scroll, Zoom scroll, list scroll results. The gallery scroll is what fubar in LG's UI. It scores around 35-37FPS, right? But on the Nexus it scores 50-55 fps or near. All other scrolls on LG are pretty near 60 fps, so as on every other smartphone and all right with them. But gallery scroll is bad. Did you use Tapatalk ever? Have you noticed when you try to swipe from right to left to open next page the tapatalk just stagger, hangs for .5sec, and then completes the move? It shouldn't, scroll must be buttery as is in HTC phones
Check my hwbot prime score it is 1688 and compare to Nexus 5 scores that has same MSM8974A packed in LG box. 2923 points. pretty 50% increase just because of software, huh. Or the next result , 3075
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
OK, since you mentioned it I did that and got 2745 in HBOT Prime which is not too far off from the N5.
As for HTC I agree, since the One X days they have gone pretty far, they are probably best Android manufacturer at Battery/Performance optimization IMO, and Sony is the worst.
My HTC Butterfly (Int DNA) with 2000 mAh battery lasts longer than the Xperia Z (2330 mAh) per charge. Sony Exmor cameras in iPhone and Galaxy S4 perform better than the Z1. At least LG aren't like Sony.

abhinav.tella said:
OK, since you mentioned it I did that and got 2745 in HBOT Prime which is not too far off from the N5.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
So, well, at least it is for me to think over, is it something wrong with my unit or its just my latest ROM with knock code has bad optimization, and it will be improved in future. Or, maybe, my PVS of 3 has to do with too early heating of SoC than yours CPU. Maybe you have PVS of 0 or 1