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Loving Hero - Leaving for Galaxy S

I've known and loved my HTC hero for a while now and my contract with Orange UK is set to expire end of September. I've been somewhat irritated by the delay with the 2.1 ROM for Hero, have tried (and not really got on with) most 2.1 ROMS and now am happily running the Modaco 3.2 with root and my new favourite: Swype!
Anyway... The thing I'm a bit tired of with the Hero is the speed. Generally it's fine and I'm used to it, but I definitely can'y wait for more SPEED! So surveying the scene I've decided to get the amazing looking Samsung Galaxy S when it's released. I was thinking of getting the next iPhone but I just can't go back to such a closed system without ROOT!
So... I've LOVED tinkering with my Hero, installing custom ROMS and stuff like that - I'm wondering how likely it is that the Samsung Galaxy S will even be "rootable" or have custom ROMs developed for it? I've seen the HTC Evo but not sure if that's going to be released in the UK and the Galaxy S has a better screen and just looks like it's a better phone in general. Is it mainly HTC phones that get "root"/dev love on these forums or is it likely I'll have much luck with the Samsung?

I've just googled some pics of the Galaxy S.
Both case and the OS skin look like a blatant iPhone rip off I hope it's got a sound recorder so it can save you the trouble of saying "No, it's not an iPhone it's a Samsung running Android" ..... "What's that?"
Even though HTC aren't the best at releasing updates, at least they're original! What's wrong with a Desire?
And yes, Swype is amazing.

kadison said:
I've just googled some pics of the Galaxy S.
Both case and the OS skin look like a blatant iPhone rip off I hope it's got a sound recorder so it can save you the trouble of saying "No, it's not an iPhone it's a Samsung running Android" ..... "What's that?"
Even though HTC aren't the best at releasing updates, at least they're original! What's wrong with a Desire?
And yes, Swype is amazing.
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The pics dont really do it justice. It does look a lot like an iPhone at first but then as can be seen on the videos of it in action - it's most definitely android! The Desire doesn't have that spanking gorgeous AMOLED screen! [dribbles].... The specs are "out of this world"! [haha!]

alsheron said:
The Desire doesn't have that spanking gorgeous AMOLED screen!
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Yes it does. http://www.htc.com/www/product/desire/specification.html

kadison said:
Yes it does. http://www.htc.com/www/product/desire/specification.html
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Is it Super AMOLED? The new version designed to be better in direct sunlight/outdoors? Don't think so...

alsheron said:
Is it Super AMOLED? The new version designed to be better in direct sunlight/outdoors? Don't think so...
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Galaxy is better in almost every way, it has a dedicated GPU that's about 4 times as fast as the snapdragon. But it doesn't have such a widespread userbase. And samsung doesn't offer updates afaik so I'd rather get the desire.
Oh yeah it looks like c...

I'm all in for the Samsung Galaxy S too, when it arrives. It's sexy as hell and I know I'll love that dedicated GPU, that's even way better than the iPhone 3Gs'. My hero has served me well, and still does. My hero is also super fast, now that I've overclocked it to 700 mhz.
Edit: Just remembered also, that the desire and nexus screen cannot even remotely be compared to the screen of the samsung galaxy s. The screen is nice on desire and nexus, but there has been some talk about an actually lower effective resolution. Look at how the text isn't that crisp, you will notice.

my friend just got the HTC Legend on contract with vodafone before that he was on orange with a nokia n95 and he lives out in the sticks and now
gets much better signal and the phone feels a lot faster and is built much better than the hero and runs 2.1 you should look in to it
Sent from my aHero using the XDA mobile application powered by Tapatalk

madsborelli said:
but there has been some talk about an actually lower effective resolution. Look at how the text isn't that crisp, you will notice.
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That would be the Pentile type display in the Nexus One and Desire. Unlike most LCD displays, a pentile type display does not have all three RGB subpixels, and uses subpixel rendering to make it 'look' like it has a higher resolution. It's actually Samsung's display btw.
I'm not sure if this is the same for the Super AMOLED, since the S-AMOLED is supposed to have integrated the touchscreen with the display (increasing clarity) and has nothing to do with how the pixels are rendered..
Anyway, I would also advise against getting a Samsung. If you think HTC's firmware/software support is bad.... Samsung pretty much abandons its products after it has been released.

Thanks
Thanks for the feedback guys - some great info here. Bit worrying the comment about Samsung abandoning their products!? Won't that be less so because the Galaxy s is running android? I have to say that the Galaxy S is looking SO good so far that I might get it and just deal with the lack of updates - probably regret it but what choice is there?
I know, I know that there will always be "better" and "faster" when it comes to tech like this but don't you think that 1GHz is about *finally* the sweetspot for running stuff nice and fluid on a smartphone? I mean my comp here at home is a Core 2 Duo and I can't tell *any* difference between this and the similarly specced Core i3 at work for everyday tasks. In the same way, even if a 1.5Ghz phone comes out after the Galaxy S (which isn't due to arrive later in the year anyway) - even though we'd all want a faster phone, staying with 1ghz aint going to be too shabby, is it? The Hero I think is *just* slightly on the wrong side of slow when it comes to speed. Maybe the Legend fixes that - I haven't tried one - and wouldn't want to now some incredible phones are on the way.
Anyway - if I don't get the Galaxy S, what do you guys think is the best alternative given my contract expires at the end of this Spetember? Any announcements been made about the Evo4g or some other super quick phone?
Also - no one's really mentioned but if i DO get the Galaxy S, how likely is it that I'll be able to root it and install custom Roms or updated custom roms in the fullness of time? Does the community in general only tweak with HTC phones?
Thanks again!

Samsung does update some of their Android phones. It's just that they are slow and they have not update them all.
History of updates of Samsung Android phones (may not be exhaustive):
Moment (M900) : 1.5 -> 2.1
Galaxy Spica/Portal (i5700) : 1.5 -> 2.1
Behold 2 (T-939): 1.5 -> update to 2.1 approved and should be coming soon
Samsung Galaxy (i7500) : NO update to 2.x (phone released 6-7/2009)
It remains to be seen how many of the above will get an update to 2.2, if any.

HTC Evo 4G vs Samsung Galaxy S (Galaxy has better CPU?)

I never thought I'd say this, but I was under the impression that Samsung's new lineup would be using their own OS (Bada) rather than Android...I've now heard different and done some snooping.
I've hated Samsung phones, but OMG...
http://alienbabeltech.com/main/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/Cellphonehardwarecompari1.png
Just take a look at that!!!
I've got another two weeks that I can return my Evo...should I keep it or wait for Galaxy S?
I mean just look at that - less power consumption, AMOLED screen, much faster GPU, faster RAM
I just got this Evo and I feel like something better is already coming out...

Dude I'm in the same boat as you I just got it and I heard about the galaxy s but after doing more research it seems like my evo is already outdated in some aspects by the galaxy s. I heard rumors its gonna be on t-mobile too and I canceled my contract with them to get the evo. But as I said its better only in a few ways. I wanna see reviews for it but by the time the galaxy s is out I won't be able to return the evo. I'm in a dilemma especially after the problems with the evo like battery life subpar 8 megapixel camera and 720p video and the 30 fps cap (that one gets me pissed) .- I wonder what other ppl at xda have to say- imma be watching this thread.

im returning my evo for the samsung galaxy s pro (with qwerty keyboard) for sprint.

I'm also very interested in the Galaxy. I love the Evo but the screen problem has got me thinking twice and I'm not too happy with how thick the Evo feels to me compared to my HD2. I understand that the Galaxy has a CPU with the same clock speed but tests have shown it to perform better along with the GPU as mentioned. The much slimmer profile sounds very good to me and the lack of a camera flash is a letdown but one I could live with.
Samsung is known for not supporting their phones after release but they have confirmed that the Galaxy will be updated with Froyo. On 2G the battery is rated for talk time longer than the iPhone 4G and is of course replaceable. Also 16GB built-in + add a 32GB micro sd card and you have more storage than nearly any smartphone.
Here is the best review (9 pages) I've found on the Galaxy:
http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_i9000_galaxy_s-review-478.php

true the galaxy s has some great specs..
but you might want to do a little research on the Samsung support on thier phones. from what I have seen... it is a very big issue. they tend to push out great spec phones and then move on to the next phone to develop; and forget the old.
some times it is not just the specs. how the parts add and give you over all total performance. From reading on other phones.. (ex: hero vs moment).

But it's a Samsung...
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Dan330 said:
true the galaxy s has some great specs..
but you might want to do a little research on the Samsung support on thier phones. from what I have seen... it is a very big issue. they tend to push out great spec phones and then move on to the next phone to develop; and forget the old.
some times it is not just the specs. how the parts add and give you over all total performance. From reading on other phones.. (ex: hero vs moment).
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G1toEVO4G said:
im returning my evo for the samsung galaxy s pro (with qwerty keyboard) for sprint.
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That's better than htc who puts out phones with glaring problems and then stops supporting them. I haven't had an htc Pune since the tilt. I was hoping they had changed so I could get an evo, but apparently they haven't. I'm liking the galaxy s pro right now.

Dan330 said:
true the galaxy s has some great specs..
but you might want to do a little research on the Samsung support on thier phones. from what I have seen... it is a very big issue. they tend to push out great spec phones and then move on to the next phone to develop; and forget the old.
some times it is not just the specs. how the parts add and give you over all total performance. From reading on other phones.. (ex: hero vs moment).
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LOL....
True, but HTC's record is just as pathetic.
We'll see when we will have a bug fix release and maybe in 10 months Froyo...

The Galaxy is nice, but if you like the developing and deep hacking and customizing.
HTC is the way to go.

yeah you guys are right - i know samsungs phones tend to sound good on paper and turn out not that great after all. happened a couple of times before. wanted to love their phones, but just couldnt.
besides the galaxy s looks pretty ugly compared to the evo

ok is it me or does this thing REALLY look like an iphone clone? Don't get me wrong the specs are good, but that Touchwiz overlay is a huge negative for me. In addition the only advantages I see the Galaxy S as having is the internal storage (which doesn't matter to me because I haven't even filled up my 16gb card half way yet, so an extra 8/16gb of storage doesn't excite me), the screen resolution (I'd rather have less resolution and a larger screen though), and the processor (same clock speed but faster gpu, seeing as I don't do an extensive amount of gaming on my phone I couldn't careless about that. Not to mention the gaming I do with games such as Gangstar and Nova, which are 3d environments, run perfectly fine). The disadvantages for me would be: lack of 4g (I get great 4g coverage here in Atlanta and also get good speeds on it 4-8megs), lack of camera flash, does not come with flash (you will have to wait until froyo, or install a custom rom to do any browsing that involves flash), and below average speakerphone. The phone looks like a decent phone but it does not have enough advantages for me to make a switch. Just my opinion.

I'll pass on the samsung. I'm really not digging their skinning either. With their post support issues I think I'd rather deal with apple and the iphone or motorola and their new high end droid. That said I'm not going to go and get raped by verizon, I don't want to get raped by at&t either and I'm happy with my evo.

HTC 4-LIFE
anyhow the samsung does look nice. but its still not an HTC

mysterioustko said:
ok is it me or does this thing REALLY look like an iphone clone? Don't get me wrong the specs are good, but that Touchwiz overlay is a huge negative for me. In addition the only advantages I see the Galaxy S as having is the internal storage (which doesn't matter to me because I haven't even filled up my 16gb card half way yet, so an extra 8/16gb of storage doesn't excite me), the screen resolution (I'd rather have less resolution and a larger screen though), and the processor (same clock speed but faster gpu, seeing as I don't do an extensive amount of gaming on my phone I couldn't careless about that. Not to mention the gaming I do with games such as Gangstar and Nova, which are 3d environments, run perfectly fine). The disadvantages for me would be: lack of 4g (I get great 4g coverage here in Atlanta and also get good speeds on it 4-8megs), lack of camera flash, does not come with flash (you will have to wait until froyo, or install a custom rom to do any browsing that involves flash), and below average speakerphone. The phone looks like a decent phone but it does not have enough advantages for me to make a switch. Just my opinion.
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I agree about the looks! It looks way too much like an iPhone and the UI screenshots don't make it look any better. But have you seen the long demo video on YouTube? I forget which one it was, but I have to admit I was pretty impressed by the way it all flowed and this is coming from a guy who loves HTC Sense.
For someone like me, the extra 16GB would mean that I could ditch my iPod 160GB Classic and just have one device (I like to keep all my music and audiobooks on one device). Also reported by a few different blogs, the Galaxy screen is better and the hummingbird is reported too as being faster than the snapdragon in our Evos. And I guess I'm alone in this, but the super slim profile is a huge plus to me. But that back cover is pretty ugly. I'd really just like to demo this thing myself, with my Evo in hand and then decide. I'd also like to do the same with the iPhone 4G. These devices coming out on different dates, sure does making the choice making that much harder.........

man look how responsive it is!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WnOHlx0BZ2Y&feature=related
frikin amazing
Any ideas what career its going to be on?

toastcfh said:
HTC 4-LIFE
anyhow the samsung does look nice. but its still not an HTC
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You just like HTC because you get to fix whatever is broken. If you buy a Motorola or Samsung you have nothing to fix

denny_1986 said:
man look how responsive it is!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WnOHlx0BZ2Y&feature=related
frikin amazing
Any ideas what career its going to be on?
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I keep reading different carriers. Samsung has said they want the device to be on every carrier in every country and so if that holds true then it will be on all but my question is who will have it first late this month or next month as reported. I have seen some screenshots, showing T-Mobile account data on a Galaxy screen, but now I'm hearing Verizon and ATT as well.......

timgt said:
You just like HTC because you get to fix whatever is broken. If you buy a Motorola or Samsung you have nothing to fix
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bahahaahh not entirely true about motorla and samsung but still funny ahah

timgt said:
You just like HTC because you get to fix whatever is broken. If you buy a Motorola or Samsung you have nothing to fix
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naw i like them because they build quality devices and have awesome customer support. i feel they do things right for the most part. i bet after u get done waiting for root on the samsung ull be trying to fix just as many things. also xda and all the other dev communities for HTC devices are well rounded and have a major following. HTC has been spiting out awesome devices for a long time. ive been hooked since my Axim X50v. that was back in 03

toastcfh said:
HTC 4-LIFE
anyhow the samsung does look nice. but its still not an HTC
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I'm with you all the way on it, i like how motorola designed the droid X but not their software, and I wouldn't get a motorola anyways.

I feel stupid....did I make a mistake buying the N1?

I bought the N1 and its on it way, I was really happy and that was my final choice, until today I was checking out the Euro Version of the Galaxy S and it has 1900 mhz 3g which is used in my Area! I could have bought that and had a bigger/better screen, Better Processor, Better Camera, and Design (subjective).
I do like the N1 dont get me wrong but that Super Amoled Screen is mouth watering lol

solidkevin said:
I bought the N1 and its on it way, I was really happy and that was my final choice, until today I was checking out the Euro Version of the Galaxy S and it has 1900 mhz 3g which is used in my Area! I could have bought that and had a bigger/better screen, Better Processor, Better Camera, and Design (subjective).
I do like the N1 dont get me wrong but that Super Amoled Screen is mouth watering lol
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Unless you bought it on eBay etc, you could just return it.
Also, Galaxy S = no camera flash (absurd), Android 2.1 (2.2 in 4+ months), and a crappy skin on it.

Yea I bought on eBay, Im sure its not a Big Deal, the N1 is a fantastic phone, I love it, but I just think the Galaxy S looks really nice! Haven't used one though.

solidkevin said:
Yea I bought on eBay, Im sure its not a Big Deal, the N1 is a fantastic phone, I love it, but I just think the Galaxy S looks really nice! Haven't used one though.
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I have used both, and while the Galaxy is a very nice phone, I can honestly say theres no way I would trade my Nexus One for a Galaxy S.

i wouldnt worry as much as you are. the nexus has a lot of advantages that the galaxy S does not. google updates, colored trackball, unlock bootloader, camera flash, superb build quality and materials and feel in comparison to the lightweight plasticky galaxy s, etc.

Thanks guys! Im sure the GS Is very nice but the N1 does indeed own!

ive actually been considering a galaxy s also and luckily my friend picked up one with his new contract a few days ago. after playing it with, i can tell you both are nice phones and you cant go wrong either way.
ive had my n1 for several months now so i have experienced many of the bugs the n1 has such as in rare cases, the n1 will send a text message to the wrong person (thought i did something wrong the one time it happened to but apparently its a bug; i text a lot too). i agree with the other poster in the feel of the n1 is better than all the other phones i have held and is only beaten by the new iphone.
my friend has the samsung vibrant, and for some reason, it doesnt have flash so if taking night pictures is a big deal for you, the n1 wins. however, i felt the the vibrant took better day pictures. the vibrant also has a night mode that is better than the other phones i have had, but is no replacement for flash. the same applies to video recording, vibrant wins during the day in both video and sound recording, and n1 wins in recording in dark places.
if gaming is a big deal for you, the galaxy s is the winner. i was playing psx4droid on the vibrant and although i didnt notice any speed improvements over the n1, i can tell you the vibrant supports at least a 3 finger multitouch, over the n1's 2.
one of the biggest flaws i felt the n1 had is the speaker. i am constantly missing calls and the quality is pretty bad, but somehow samsung managed to put in a worse speaker, or at least i thought so

Yeah, I don't think the Galaxy S is superior, more like on the same class.
Galaxy S has a better screen (larger, brighter) and more internal storage but no led notification, most likely no updates past 2.2, no camera flash. CPU is about equivalent. N1 seems better built. I just got my N1 two weeks ago and was also considering the Galaxy S but stock Android was what sold me on the N1.

It doesn't matter if the Galaxy S is better or not, a better phone will come along and surpass both phones. If you're not happy with the Nexus One now, you're not gonna be happy when every new big phone comes out.

Jep4444 said:
It doesn't matter if the Galaxy S is better or not, a better phone will come along and surpass both phones. If you're not happy with the Nexus One now, you're not gonna be happy when every new big phone comes out.
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Yup, but in six months when N1 is rocking android 3.0 and GS still has 2.1/2.2 you'd be much happier with a N1.

solidkevin said:
I bought the N1 and its on it way, I was really happy and that was my final choice, until today I was checking out the Euro Version of the Galaxy S and it has 1900 mhz 3g which is used in my Area! I could have bought that and had a bigger/better screen, Better Processor, Better Camera, and Design (subjective).
I do like the N1 dont get me wrong but that Super Amoled Screen is mouth watering lol
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The N1 might be out shined in a few of those areas, but like others have mentioned, it will be the first to get Gingerbread. The Galaxy S probably never will. Samsung is going to expect you to purchase a new phone for 3.0 instead.

blablum said:
Yup, but in six months when N1 is rocking android 3.0 and GS still has 2.1/2.2 you'd be much happier with a N1.
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Ya but shortly after that, something else will come out running 3.0 that's better than the N1, its a continual cycle. I'm just happy that the N1 is an awesome phone in itself, another phone may be better but it shouldn't take anything away from what I can do with mine.

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Ya but shortly after that, something else will come out running 3.0 that's better than the N1, its a continual cycle. I'm just happy that the N1 is an awesome phone in itself, another phone may be better but it shouldn't take anything away from what I can do with mine.
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You are right, and I agree. My point is, in six months he might not be ready to get a new phone yet (like I know will be my case), and in that case it is better to have a N1 over the GS. That was my reasoning choosing the N1. Of course, there might be unofficial 3.0 roms available for both phones, so maybe it will be a non issue at all for the OP.

I agree. N1 has its own unique speciality. Galaxy S is better in may way (because it came out later) but Nexus One can be modified easily and there are a lot of developers for it so that u can customize it to ur liking

Everything on the nexus is awesome .. it's just the touch screen.. multitouch doesn't work well on games and emulators.. but other than that it's an awesome receiving all the love
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I actually got my Nexus one recently and I'm fortunate that living in England pretty much all android devices are available.
I went there knowing the Galaxy S for instance can easily outperform the Nexus in most areas, especially in graphical terms.
I had a play with the Galaxy and two things struck me between that and the Nexus, I felt the Galaxy is too big and not easily pocketable and the 2nd was it just didn't feel like a precision bit of kit like the Nexus.
The Nexus just feels like it's in the top class when it comes to design and the Galaxy less so.
For me it's a no brainer, proper camera, beautiful device and it doesn't get all of the custom stuff over the top.

traitor
I am contemplating selling my nexus one and getting a galaxy s. I would be sad to lose the trackball wake and led flashlight that my fine rooted nexus brings, but I am tired of struggling to use my phone in the sunlight, and would be happy to have a more responsive screen and better GPU.

I had the Galaxy and it doesn't even compare to the quality of the Nexus one. The Nexus One is the best built device still today. The quality build is 2nd to none and the looks are just killer. I think the 3.7 inch screen is the best size for a phone. Go Nexus One. The only thing better may be the Nexus Two.

^ Well said! The Galaxy is not in the same league as the Nexus! Even though I do like the name

galaxys said:
^ Well said! The Galaxy is not in the same league as the Nexus! Even though I do like the name
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Keep tellin' yourself that if it makes you feel better.
A friend has the tmo version. It is very nice. Smooth video recording with audio that is significantly better. No flash? As if the n1 camera and flash is anything to crow about. Lol. Photos don't have purple blobs in the middle on the vibrant.
But it was the video he got out of it that impressed me the most.
The n1 does feel better built.
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So, fellow EVO users, what does everyone think about the Nexus S?

Personally, I think it's just another plain-Jane Galaxy S phone. It has the same horrid, cheap, plasticy feeling apparently, and the specs are nothing out of the ordinary. No dual-core processor or anything exciting. I cannot wait for HTC's next offering, because their build quality is sooo superior to Samsung's, and it will most likely have the new dual-core processors.

i love it, i want it.
however i dont want tmobile nor at&t

TheBiles said:
Personally, I think it's just another plain-Jane Galaxy S phone. It has the same horrid, cheap, plasticy feeling apparently, and the specs are nothing out of the ordinary. No dual-core processor or anything exciting. I cannot wait for HTC's next offering, because their build quality is sooo superior to Samsung's, and it will most likely have the new dual-core processors.
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I must say it looks quite nice in person. My friend works for google and showed me his Nexus S.

m4rk0358 said:
I must say it looks quite nice in person. My friend works for google and showed me his Nexus S.
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Oh, no doubt that it is a "pretty" device, but I actually use my phone instead of spending the day gawking at it. I don't want to pay $500 for something only to have it feel like cheap plastic.

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Oh, no doubt that it is a "pretty" device, but I actually use my phone instead of spending the day gawking at it. I don't want to pay $500 for something only to have it feel like cheap plastic.
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I didn't feel that it felt any better or worse to my EVO with regards to how cheap it felt. They both seem a bit "plasticky" for my taste.

TheBiles said:
Personally, I think it's just another plain-Jane Galaxy S phone. It has the same horrid, cheap, plasticy feeling apparently, and the specs are nothing out of the ordinary. No dual-core processor or anything exciting. I cannot wait for HTC's next offering, because their build quality is sooo superior to Samsung's, and it will most likely have the new dual-core processors.
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You won't see dual cores from HTC until we near the summer. Samsung is actually probably the closest.
As for the Nexus S. I think it's alright, nothing revolutionary but I'd still consider it the best phone on the Market the day it's released. The Hummingbird is the current undisputed champ in the mobile CPU/GPU game. A 4" SAMOLED is near the top, better display than the EVO's at least. NFC chip + Gyroscope. The cameras on the Galaxy S are currently the best on any Android phone so the Nexus S shouldn't be any different. I also believe that the GPS chip was replaced so no SGS GPS horror show. So hardware wise it's not a huge leap but only a (very) small evolutionary step forward from what was the top spec'd Android phone.
Build is 50/50, I think this is a slick looking shape. Very thin, some nice curves but the plastic is a step down from the Nexus X. That said, our EVOs are pretty much 100% plastic as well so who am I to judge.
The big thing though is quick, straight from Google, Android updates; and that pretty much puts it on top of any Android phone IMO.

TheBiles said:
Personally, I think it's just another plain-Jane Galaxy S phone. It has the same horrid, cheap, plasticy feeling apparently, and the specs are nothing out of the ordinary. No dual-core processor or anything exciting. I cannot wait for HTC's next offering, because their build quality is sooo superior to Samsung's, and it will most likely have the new dual-core processors.
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Sent from my HTC SUPERSONIC

I have yet to see a samsung device I was impressed with. The galaxy looked nice til I held one. I'll wait for HTC's next release....though, I do wish they would release one with straight Android on it, and no sense overlay, so that we could get our updates straight from google.

i kinda like it but it has a average processor and doesnt have HSPA+.

looks cheap and i think there is no SDCARD support ? if so that's a deal breaker for me

www.google.com/nexus
no sdcard kinda sucks but it has 16GB built in.

ok just found out it doesnt have any notification LEDs. i dont understand that.

well i would never get it, I have been trying to root my girls epic and with custom recovery for ages( finally got it last night) hacking on samsung is not that fun
Also does has the CM team ever done a sammy phone that will be a sign if one of us on the fence people would want to get one
Also GPS on the my girls epic is horrid at most times, Wonder if google who is big into location based- services is going to like not getting a lot of data back on their flagship phone

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i kinda like it but it has a average processor and doesnt have HSPA+.
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whoa whoa whoa hollllld up.... For real?? If this is true i just lost all interest in it lol i was using HSPA+ & Pure Google as my motivation...
:x it is true, not that i doubted you but i really was hoping you were wrong lol.

TheBiles said:
Personally, I think it's just another plain-Jane Galaxy S phone. It has the same horrid, cheap, plasticy feeling apparently, and the specs are nothing out of the ordinary. No dual-core processor or anything exciting. I cannot wait for HTC's next offering, because their build quality is sooo superior to Samsung's, and it will most likely have the new dual-core processors.
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I guess my Evo having light leakage is considered superior build quality. Anyway I wouldn't buy any phone with the name Samsung attached to it. I wouldn't even buy a Samsung toaster for my kitchen with my past experiences.
I'd still get an HTC device as my next phone so we'll see how it goes.

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BrianDigital said:
well i would never get it, I have been trying to root my girls epic and with custom recovery for ages( finally got it last night) hacking on samsung is not that fun
Also does has the CM team ever done a sammy phone that will be a sign if one of us on the fence people would want to get one
Also GPS on the my girls epic is horrid at most times, Wonder if google who is big into location based- services is going to like not getting a lot of data back on their flagship phone
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Don't really need a CM team for nexus s. It is stock. Same as N1. Will be what rooting and everything is based on from 2.3 and on.
Also as far as gps issues and any issues go, everything will be updated through google, not samsung. The only reason I hated epic and any of the samsung phones was the updates, Samsung is just ****ty when it comes to updates. But this changes that, everything will be done through google.
Tbh, the phone is 10x better then evo. Hardware wise and software wise. Nexus S will become the standard of rooting and any mods, just like N1 did. The cpu/gpu is better, the camera is better, the screen is better, its smaller in weight and size (the only part that sucks is that its 4.0, and not 4.3).
All in all it's a better phone when it comes to hardware, and the software is backed by google.

Wait...no 720p recording? Ill pass....
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Not having HSPA+ is crazy though. HSPA only goes up to 7.2 and thats peak. HSPA+ has the potential of 20 at its peak and maybe more with a software update. Maybe thats why it get 17 DAYS STANDBY. I still kinda want one though.

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Don't really need a CM team for nexus s. It is stock. Same as N1. Will be what rooting and everything is based on from 2.3 and on.
Also as far as gps issues and any issues go, everything will be updated through google, not samsung. The only reason I hated epic and any of the samsung phones was the updates, Samsung is just ****ty when it comes to updates. But this changes that, everything will be done through google.
Tbh, the phone is 10x better then evo. Hardware wise and software wise. Nexus S will become the standard of rooting and any mods, just like N1 did. The cpu/gpu is better, the camera is better, the screen is better, its smaller in weight and size (the only part that sucks is that its 4.0, and not 4.3).
All in all it's a better phone when it comes to hardware, and the software is backed by google.
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so a new flagship phone has better hardware than evo........also if cm is not needed then why do people use it anyways, and im talking about us here aroind xda

Hardware optimization.

Why does everyone give HTC so much credit for not challenging themselves? They make a midgrade product and optimize it while their users thumb their noses at a company that may make a product that is overly ready for the software that's out. Should it be Samsung's fault for raising the bar or Google's fault for not meeting them? Should Samsung start lowering their standard so they can meet market demand for more updates? I find there are a bunch of conflicting business models here.

Software compatibility and hardware aren't always the same. We bought the epic [those of us who know our ass from our hands] bc it had the right hardware to stand the test of time which in the cell phone world means at least 2 years. Its all that can be expected. The rest is hope....
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qhd display, dual 1.2 ghz cpu and 1gig of ram is not good enough?
did samsung push themselves when they made the transform?
how about the continuum?
What about the infuse and charge?
Samsung vibrant 4G
how about the nexus S?
I thought this was suppose to be the showcase of what phones are to become but samsung dropped the ball on this one. It is nothing more then a downgraded epic! It should of at least had the 4.3" super AMOLED plus screen and have a dual core processor. Then googled might of optimized their future software on samsung specs which would of made more manufacture buy more samsung components.
No notification LED no SD card slot and you in love with samsung?
The only galaxy series phone that had everything was the epic. It had the best feel of quality, there other ones do feel cheap. It has flash, it has a front camera and it has a keyboard which I wish sprint had one without. Let just say sprint did great because I wouldn't of brought this if it didn't have a LED flash or front facing camera. Keyboard was just extra cheese on my cheese pizza.
I brought the epic because it had the best hardware during that time, now i would buy the evo3d because it would have the best hardware if i had to get a phone now.
an optimized 4 cylinder engine is better then a sloppy 6 cylinder. And this is what the epic feels like with the GPS, compass and keyboard issue, a sloppy 6 cylinder engine. It is minor problems and can be fixed through software updates, its too bad samsung doesn't even think twice about products that has already been released.
Samsung should be building towards google future design. If samsung wanted google to design to their future proof hardware they should of designed a better nexus S.
The only company out there that should be praised for pushing the standard is Apple. That is tough for me to say but it is true. No company has gotten to apple's feel of quality (not to be confused with build quality), samsung next gen phone is still a bit thicker then apple's even with the OLED display and the next gen resolution display are still below apple's current resolutions.

pkny said:
qhd display, dual 1.2 ghz cpu and 1gig of ram is not good enough?
did samsung push themselves when they made the transform?
how about the continuum?
What about the infuse and charge?
Samsung vibrant 4G
how about the nexus S?
I thought this was suppose to be the showcase of what phones are to become but samsung dropped the ball on this one. It is nothing more then a downgraded epic! It should of at least had the 4.3" super AMOLED plus screen and have a dual core processor. Then googled might of optimized their future software on samsung specs which would of made more manufacture buy more samsung components.
No notification LED no SD card slot and you in love with samsung?
The only galaxy series phone that had everything was the epic. It had the best feel of quality, there other ones do feel cheap. It has flash, it has a front camera and it has a keyboard which I wish sprint had one without. Let just say sprint did great because I wouldn't of brought this if it didn't have a LED flash or front facing camera. Keyboard was just extra cheese on my cheese pizza.
I brought the epic because it had the best hardware during that time, now i would buy the evo3d because it would have the best hardware if i had to get a phone now.
an optimized 4 cylinder engine is better then a sloppy 6 cylinder. And this is what the epic feels like with the GPS, compass and keyboard issue, a sloppy 6 cylinder engine. It is minor problems and can be fixed through software updates, its too bad samsung doesn't even think twice about products that has already been released.
Samsung should be building towards google future design. If samsung wanted google to design to their future proof hardware they should of designed a better nexus S.
The only company out there that should be praised for pushing the standard is Apple. That is tough for me to say but it is true. No company has gotten to apple's feel of quality (not to be confused with build quality), samsung next gen phone is still a bit thicker then apple's even with the OLED display and the next gen resolution display are still below apple's current resolutions.
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Really? Because gingerbread was optimized for the hummingbird chip. And you seem to forget the nexus was debuted some months ago, not recently. And that the original evo had a much outdated snapdragon and a camera that couldn't stand up to ours even with more megapixels.
And you also seem to ignore the fact that there are some evo 3d's shipping with crooked screens.
CROOKED SCREENS
Yeh, that's reaaallll good quality right there.
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The only company out there that should be praised for pushing the standard is Apple. That is tough for me to say but it is true. No company has gotten to apple's feel of quality (not to be confused with build quality), samsung next gen phone is still a bit thicker then apple's even with the OLED display and the next gen resolution display are still below apple's current resolutions.
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Just to point out, the Galaxy S II is actually thinner than the iPhone 4. The iPhone 4 is 9.3mm thick and the Galaxy S II is 8.49mm thick.. Now if you are talking about the bottom where the speaker is then you'd be right.

pkny said:
qhd display, dual 1.2 ghz cpu and 1gig of ram is not good enough?
did samsung push themselves when they made the transform?
how about the continuum?
What about the infuse and charge?
Samsung vibrant 4G
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um..the only devices that samsung themselves releases are the international ones..the customized ones you see in the states are at the request of carriers..
how about the nexus S?
I thought this was suppose to be the showcase of what phones are to become but samsung dropped the ball on this one. It is nothing more then a downgraded epic! It should of at least had the 4.3" super AMOLED plus screen and have a dual core processor. Then googled might of optimized their future software on samsung specs which would of made more manufacture buy more samsung components.
No notification LED no SD card slot and you in love with samsung?
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Again..all this was at Google's request..the point of the Nexus S project also includes giving every member of the alliance a chance to make hardware and every single cpu vendor have an os optimized for their cpus..one of the biggest goal of gingerbread was to make the optimization for the hummingbird processor.
The only galaxy series phone that had everything was the epic. It had the best feel of quality, there other ones do feel cheap. It has flash, it has a front camera and it has a keyboard which I wish sprint had one without. Let just say sprint did great because I wouldn't of brought this if it didn't have a LED flash or front facing camera. Keyboard was just extra cheese on my cheese pizza.
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All credit here goes to sprint actually for requesting it like that..not samsung...front facing camera is only thing that was in the original design.
I brought the epic because it had the best hardware during that time, now i would buy the evo3d because it would have the best hardware if i had to get a phone now.
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SGS2 has been out for a while..the international one works on AT&T bands too lol..so cant exactly say evo3d is best..maybe on sprint..
an optimized 4 cylinder engine is better then a sloppy 6 cylinder. And this is what the epic feels like with the GPS, compass and keyboard issue, a sloppy 6 cylinder engine. It is minor problems and can be fixed through software updates, its too bad samsung doesn't even think twice about products that has already been released.
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They are trying with the GPS last Ive seen..and I assure you grass is not greener on the other side..every manufacturer has some sort of issues..thats just how hardware is..
Samsung should be building towards google future design. If samsung wanted google to design to their future proof hardware they should of designed a better nexus S.
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Again, not the point of the Nexus S..the only standards Nexus S was meant to set was the NFC chip and attempt at curved display. All else is cpu optimization and the rest..it was not meant to set the bar for raw power.
The only company out there that should be praised for pushing the standard is Apple. That is tough for me to say but it is true. No company has gotten to apple's feel of quality (not to be confused with build quality), samsung next gen phone is still a bit thicker then apple's even with the OLED display and the next gen resolution display are still below apple's current resolutions.
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um...you just criticized samsung for not having of, notification leds and sd card...but apple doing it is ok? and in terms of specs and release dates SGS has better hardware then iphone 4...
And as stated sgs 2 is thinner..
See its not that apple sets a standard..its more so that Apple makes people believe that something is that way regardless of whether it is or not..
Psychology is very important and you will notice that 2 things can be viewed completely different based on it...

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Really? Because gingerbread was optimized for the hummingbird chip. And you seem to forget the nexus was debuted some months ago, not recently. And that the original evo had a much outdated snapdragon and a camera that couldn't stand up to ours even with more megapixels.
And you also seem to ignore the fact that there are some evo 3d's shipping with crooked screens.
CROOKED SCREENS
Yeh, that's reaaallll good quality right there.
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And i guess from the love from samsung that you read somewhere in my rant that the evo 3d had a better build quality? Please quote where i even stated that or even assumed it. So from this statement I did not have to state the crooked screen since i never said they were better or worse then samsung's quality in design.
The nexus S came out during the 1st Quarter of this year. They could of easily used the infuse or the charges hardware for the nexus S design or even delayed it for a month if they needed too. Why be like HTC and put in a outdated cpu?
Why are you arguing the fact that HTC did it and they are evil but samsung did it and they are ok. Nexus S should be the phone showing off the companies quality. There is a big reason why most of us stayed with our Epics even though we do not need the keyboard and would love to have a keyboardless epic.
Why are you ignoring that fact about that samsung also makes.
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Just to point out, the Galaxy S II is actually thinner than the iPhone 4. The iPhone 4 is 9.3mm thick and the Galaxy S II is 8.49mm thick.. Now if you are talking about the bottom where the speaker is then you'd be right.
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I haven't seen the 8.49mm depth before. Most sites are stating 9.9mm. Thanks for the clarification. This is the only phone i am looking forward too now. I just wish it had a higher resolution.

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I won't argue with you because I know that i would loose no matter how the planets align .
You right about every manufacture having hardware issues. This is the main reason I have 5 evos and 1 epic on my sprint account. The bad taste of the touch pro 2 still lingers. I just don't understand why people are knocking on the evo 3d when it is really considered a good phone and on top of that, its on sprint. Were all team sprint aren't we?
I do have to argue about apple setting the standard though. It took phone companies over a year to become as thin has apples phones. Samsung should of been thinner to begin with the nature of OLED screens being thinner.
Well i own 2 lots Apple stock so i might have to keep saying this until i sell it.

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I haven't seen the 8.49mm depth before. Most sites are stating 9.9mm. Thanks for the clarification. This is the only phone i am looking forward too now. I just wish it had a higher resolution.
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9.9mm is the size of the original sgs aka i9000, vibrant etc...SGS 2 is thinner..
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I won't argue with you because I know that i would loose no matter how the planets align .
You right about every manufacture having hardware issues. This is the main reason I have 5 evos and 1 epic on my sprint account. The bad taste of the touch pro 2 still lingers. I just don't understand why people are knocking on the evo 3d when it is really considered a good phone and on top of that, its on sprint. Were all team sprint aren't we?
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People are knocking it because they expected the Evo 3d to blow people away.when the original Evo came out there really was not much of a competitive market and people chose purely HTC...with that the Evo was the best specced HTC phone..this time around things are A LOT more competitive, you have LG, Motorola, Samsung and other players enter the market with products just as good if not better..
Also a lot of competition in the 4G sector makes wimax not very competitive..(sprint needs to go wimax enhanced already >.>)
I do have to argue about apple setting the standard though. It took phone companies over a year to become as thin has apples phones. Samsung should of been thinner to begin with the nature of OLED screens being thinner.
Well i own 2 lots Apple stock so i might have to keep saying this until i sell it.
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its kinda playing a catchup game sgs 2 will be thinner then my guess iphone 5 will be thinner then sgs 3 will be thinner...get it? there are more factors though that go into this then just the screen..for one that thinness could have been done if they took out the sd card port..but would we want that? Apple had to do sacrifices on the Antenna to accomplish that thinness at the time..so whether it was worth it or not is another story..at what point do we go.."this is thin enough" lol
btw apple actually increased thickness on white iphone 4...

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btw apple actually increased thickness on white iphone 4...
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No, they didn't. that was a fallacy. White and black iPhones have been measured side by side with micrometers on several sites disproving this.