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Open Source (Kernel and System) Release Date?

Haven't posted much here and read through the threads under the Evo board. Im not familiar with how HTC handles Android releases. My only Android and open source experience has been with Samsung and the moment.
Any rough ideas how long HTC has historically taken to release the open source for an android phone after its public launch? 2-3 weeks? 2-3 months?
Does anybody know if they will release kernel source (2.6.29) and Android 2.1 source or just their modified kernel source?
Hope these questions aren't too far off...

I think you may have to wait a while for that.

david279 said:
I think you may have to wait a while for that.
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i'm curious if anybody has any information which i wasn't able to find regarding this. the answer would either be based on previous information, inside information, or speculation. as i inquired previously and to combine your answer, is "a while" 2-3 weeks or 2-3 months? if nobody has any idea, that wouldnt surprise me either...

joeykrim said:
i'm curious if anybody has any information which i wasn't able to find regarding this. the answer would either be based on previous information, inside information, or speculation. as i inquired previously and to combine your answer, is "a while" 2-3 weeks or 2-3 months? if nobody has any idea, that wouldnt surprise me either...
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Well it took what, 5-6 months for the release of the kernel for the hero, so a while could be a long time.

the htc increadable source is already out, I don't think it will take that long at all

The problem with the Hero was due to GSM and CDMA variants.
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Not really. HTC had the Kernel source, they just sat on it. Most of the Android devices HTC has released has taken about 6 months to get the kernel source. I would expect no different with this device. However, considering the Incredible source is indeed already released maybe they are changing that. Regardless, is the kernel version actually still 2.6.29 or do the newer devices have a newer kernel? I thought the N1 used 2.6.31.

chuckhriczko said:
Not really. HTC had the Kernel source, they just sat on it. Most of the Android devices HTC has released has taken about 6 months to get the kernel source. I would expect no different with this device. However, considering the Incredible source is indeed already released maybe they are changing that. Regardless, is the kernel version actually still 2.6.29 or do the newer devices have a newer kernel? I thought the N1 used 2.6.31.
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android 2.1 released for the samsung moment is on 2.6.29. idk how accurate of a gauge this is for the EVO.
thats unfortunate it took them so long to release the source code. i thought there was a time constraint on the GNU open license giving them a short time period between public release and deadline to release the open source. i could be wrong though...

HTC just released the Incredible's and Eris's source codes 5 minutes, ago via Twitter, so I don't think we will wait long.
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Because we know how much you developers love source code...Legend, Incredible, Desire, and Eris(2.1) kernels are online. http://ht.ly/1MODf
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TheBiles said:
HTC just released the Incredible's and Eris's source codes 5 minutes, ago via Twitter, so I don't think we will wait long.
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It's been up on their developer site for a couple weeks at least

chuckhriczko said:
It's been up on their developer site for a couple weeks at least
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Eh, well it was news to me.

Andriod 2.2 (Froyo) For Aria???

Does anyone has a clue about when Froyo will be available for Aria?

I'm not holding my breath for update from AT&T!

saint168 said:
I'm not holding my breath for update from AT&T!
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I am hoping we'll be able to port the Legend Rom with a great deal of success once it is available. I will be looking into an unbranded 2.1 Legend ROM port for the Aria next.

eh it was just released... wouldn't expect to hear about a 2.2 release for at least a few months probably more.

Froyo hasn't even been officially released yet. after that, HTC will need to port SenseUi for it. HTC did say all 2.1 devices released this year should expect a 2.2 update.

Probably not until AT&T figures out how to remove tethering from it.

ryusen said:
Froyo hasn't even been officially released yet. after that, HTC will need to port SenseUi for it. HTC did say all 2.1 devices released this year should expect a 2.2 update.
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As saint168 said, I wouldn't hold your breath. What will happen is HTC will say "we expect a Froyo update for the Aria by Christmas!" and then the day before Christmas they will say "We expect a Froyo update for the Aria by the end of February!" and then we won't see an update except in Taiwan in June.
I am going by the official Eclair update for the GSM Hero of course.
attn1 brought up a factor, as most likely we will be seeing mostly stable 2.2 Roms within the next six months or so for the Aria that will probably make the frustrations of any promised official update increase.

Shad0wguy said:
Probably not until AT&T figures out how to remove tethering from it.
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Or perhaps not remove it outright, but to figure out how to make it billable to the tune of extra $20 per month on top of "DataPro" data plan, as they've done it with iPhone 4/iOS4.

Android 2.2 Froyo will definitely for Aria but i don't count on AT&T. I want a clean Froyo and not At&T B.S. in there

jaex said:
Android 2.2 Froyo will definitely for Aria but i don't count on AT&T. I want a clean Froyo and not At&T B.S. in there
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cyanogen has said he's porting to the MT3GS, which is nearly identical to the Aria. That WILL be ported to the Aria.
AOSP Froyo 2.2 - cyanogen style. Everyone and their all their brothers will be taking a crack at that port - including me.

attn1 said:
cyanogen has said he's porting to the MT3GS, which is nearly identical to the Aria. That WILL be ported to the Aria.
AOSP Froyo 2.2 - cyanogen style. Everyone and their all their brothers will be taking a crack at that port - including me.
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Will this be a dump of the official update for the MT3GS or is there a port that's being used. Also, if this is a pre-existing port then what kind of features should we expect to not work by the time it hits Aria (like camera, 3D acceleration, gps, and sound)?
By the way ... my Aria is now in my state so hopefully will be playing with it in an hour or two.

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Will this be a dump of the official update for the MT3GS or is there a port that's being used. Also, if this is a pre-existing port then what kind of features should we expect to not work by the time it hits Aria (like camera, 3D acceleration, gps, and sound)?
By the way ... my Aria is now in my state so hopefully will be playing with it in an hour or two.
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The MT3GS and Aria are very closely related. HTC does not do AOSP roms - they add their proprietary HTC sense stuff. If you want that, it will take some time for HTC to release a stable version for either the MT3GS or the Aria.
AOSP means Android Open Source Project based - and that means no HTC Sense UI. The Nexus One runs pure AOSP, which personally, I prefer. cyanogenmods are all AOSP based, but are generally better in terms of features and performance.
cyanogenmod 6.x will be based on Android 2.2 AOSP code, and is being built and in limited testing now. It will be released for a half dozen phones almost simultaneously - and soon. Once something is working for the MT3GS, it will be a very short time before it is ported to the Aria.

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The MT3GS and Aria are very closely related. HTC does not do AOSP roms - they add their proprietary HTC sense stuff. If you want that, it will take some time for HTC to release a stable version for either the MT3GS or the Aria.
AOSP means Android Open Source Project based - and that means no HTC Sense UI. The Nexus One runs pure AOSP, which personally, I prefer. cyanogenmods are all AOSP based, but are generally better in terms of features and performance.
cyanogenmod 6.x will be based on Android 2.2 AOSP code, and is being built and in limited testing now. It will be released for a half dozen phones almost simultaneously - and soon. Once something is working for the MT3GS, it will be a very short time before it is ported to the Aria.
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Man this is like night and day coming from the Xandroid community (new android features seem to take months to develop).
I too prefer AOSP which I used on the Xandroid builds (tested on my Pure) and I had Launcher Pro installed which I think is LEAGUES better than Sense.
I'm extremely excited to learn more about flashing android roms. Don't know anything about it yet but I saw Aria's already been rooted.
I do appreciate the WVGA of the Pure but this Aria really isn't THAT different in quality (seems more colorful though). Gotta get a screen protector from AT&T ... will have to wade through crowds of iPhone sheep no doubt.

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AOSP means Android Open Source Project based - and that means no HTC Sense UI. The Nexus One runs pure AOSP, which personally, I prefer. cyanogenmods are all AOSP based, but are generally better in terms of features and performance.
cyanogenmod 6.x will be based on Android 2.2 AOSP code, and is being built and in limited testing now. It will be released for a half dozen phones almost simultaneously - and soon. Once something is working for the MT3GS, it will be a very short time before it is ported to the Aria.
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When you say ported, does that mean I can rewrite my phone replacing Sense? Because I don't just want to have Froyo AND Sense and just have sense disabled and hiding in the background.

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When you say ported, does that mean I can rewrite my phone replacing Sense? Because I don't just want to have Froyo AND Sense and just have sense disabled and hiding in the background.
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I think you're confusing Android 2.2 (FroYo) with HTC's user interface (Sense).
cyanogenmod is based on pure AOSP code - no Sense UI.
I just completed a port of a MyTouch3G rom to the Aria. Wifi doesn't work, and my touch keys don't work. I am sure those are simple fixes. Eugene probably has answers to some of those issues, but it stands to reason that when CM 6 is released for the MTS3G, we can begin work on a port for the Liberty (Aria).

Froyo runs... it's just a matter of someone who knows what they're doing fixing all of the drivers and a few other things.
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CM6 is coming soon I think!
"release later this weekend" ... running out of time but this is exciting.
http://androidspin.com/2010/06/25/sneak-peek-at-cyanogenmod-cm6-test-build-on-g1-and-nexus/

So what does the release of CM6 mean for us?

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The MT3GS and Aria are very closely related. HTC does not do AOSP roms - they add their proprietary HTC sense stuff. If you want that, it will take some time for HTC to release a stable version for either the MT3GS or the Aria.
AOSP means Android Open Source Project based - and that means no HTC Sense UI. The Nexus One runs pure AOSP, which personally, I prefer. cyanogenmods are all AOSP based, but are generally better in terms of features and performance.
cyanogenmod 6.x will be based on Android 2.2 AOSP code, and is being built and in limited testing now. It will be released for a half dozen phones almost simultaneously - and soon. Once something is working for the MT3GS, it will be a very short time before it is ported to the Aria.
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jznomoney- Read that

Sorry. Wrong thread.

Legend and froyo

Hallo! i have heard allot of rumours that legend won't be getting froyo
is it true?

like you said they are rumours.
just wait. think there will soon be more info from htc when the first 2.2 phones are released.

the rumours are indeed very iffy

I honestly just posted an entire rant last night about this, allow me to quote myself...
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Well I've heard multiple times before this that customer service reps from htc have also confirmed the update to froyo for the legend. The most recent being an email from a customer service rep stating that the user fear not about his flash playing troubles because android 2.2 and incidentally flash 10.1 would be released for the htc legend within the next 2 weeks.
Follow this up by the recent release of flash 10.1 for android 2.2 and the release of the android 2.2 source code being released today the statement of "within the next 2 weeks" seem to be exactly what is happening. Not only is android 2.2 pretty much here but will be available sooner rather then later. To add further flame to the fire htc repeatedly said android 2.2 will be supported by almost all 2010 devices and with the desire being more widely available and more powerful it is more likely to be put in with definite android 2.2 compatible even though the desire and legend get almost always get updates at the same time.
The most likely reason the statement was pulled? Well it must simply be due to google not publishing the source code yet, thus letting people essentially know froyo is ready.
Htc most certainly can't pull the plug on 2.2 before google itself does. But! Now that it has published final froyo source code it is 99.9% done and is most likely waiting to be uploaded to the server.
My uneducated guess is that we'll see froyo on the legend by mid july at the latest.
Also not sure if anyone thought of this, but bell (and indirectly virgin mobile canada) are not stupid companies. They are introducing a new android phone and thus throwing massive amounts of ad $ and marketing into it, from both bell/virgin AND htc itself. Remember this is virgins FIRST android set and bells 4th or 5th, they would most likely have talked to htc to make sure the device is upgradeable to the newest android. They just started selling it, they aren't going to allow it to be out dated within the month its released! If the did it would be a waste on advertising and a waste of introducing a new phone.
That's just my 2 cents, but it seems very logical to me, how about you?
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Soo yeah that's my 2 cents, but it seems reasonable if you ask me.
Aaaand lastly, there's a guy currently working on porting froyo over and you can follow it at this thread in the forum, here's the link. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=709078

Just to throw some fuel in the fire, check out this link
The Flash Player 10.1 can be availed as a final production release for smartphones and tablets as soon as users can upgrade to Android 2.2 “Froyo”. Handsets which are anticipated to support “Froyo” and Flash Player 10.1 include Google Nexus One, HTC Evo, HTC Desire, HTC Incredible, Dell Streak, Samsung Galaxy S, DROID by Motorola, Motorola Milestone and more.
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Adobe didn't state HTC Legend on their supported devices list...could this mean no 2.2 for Legend? or Is HTC dumbing down 2.2 for Legend as they did with 2.1?
If 2.2 is dumbed down for Legend, it better have WiFi hotspot as a stock 2.2 rom would have, or I am going to be one pissed off long legged puerto rican!

Froyo aria source code release from htc.

Question is does that indicate att is going release there froyo update for thee aria? Sent from my Liberty using XDA App

Where do you see this?

Modders and ROM developers are about to bury themselves in source code today and will chug six packs of Red Bull to stay up late into the night hacking away. HTC has released their valuable Android 2.2 source code for the EVO 4G, DROID Incredible, Aria, and Wildfire today allowing programmers and enthusiasts to get their hands dirty with code.
This is a pretty standard thing, as the Android operating system is open source and anything developed in conjunction with it has to be made available to the public. What’s funny about this release of code is that HTC has basically preempted all carriers except for Sprint as the Aria, Incredible, and Wildfire have yet to see the “official” release of Android 2.2. This confirms that it is the carriers that have slowed down the upgrade process on their devices making options like rooting and modding so popular. Even with the slow down, this release shows that the carriers are getting ready for the “official” releases.
The release of the Android 2.2 source for HTC devices is going to prove to be an awesome edition to what modders have already gained from earlier ROM leaks. So, keep your eyes out for some new ROMs over at xda-developers and other modding sites as it is about to get crazy out there!
Via [Cyanogen, Phandroid]
Source [HTC]

aepowerlifter said:
Modders and ROM developers are about to bury themselves in source code today and will chug six packs of Red Bull to stay up late into the night hacking away. HTC has released their valuable Android 2.2 source code for the EVO 4G, DROID Incredible, Aria, and Wildfire today allowing programmers and enthusiasts to get their hands dirty with code.
This is a pretty standard thing, as the Android operating system is open source and anything developed in conjunction with it has to be made available to the public. What’s funny about this release of code is that HTC has basically preempted all carriers except for Sprint as the Aria, Incredible, and Wildfire have yet to see the “official” release of Android 2.2. This confirms that it is the carriers that have slowed down the upgrade process on their devices making options like rooting and modding so popular. Even with the slow down, this release shows that the carriers are getting ready for the “official” releases.
The release of the Android 2.2 source for HTC devices is going to prove to be an awesome edition to what modders have already gained from earlier ROM leaks. So, keep your eyes out for some new ROMs over at xda-developers and other modding sites as it is about to get crazy out there!
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i saw this a while back...i was curious when we would start seeing some mods made from this...i wish i had the know how to develop this stuff id be all over it...perhaps someone on here is and there almost finished with it...i running the cm6 rom and its sweet just wish there was a better oc kernel that worked well with it

HTC has not and does not release "source code" for any of their ROMs, only the kernel sources which they are required to release. So far, kernel source released for the Aria is still behind the kernel source released for the Snapdragon processors that HTC used in it's 2.2 builds. Nothing new has been posted for the Aria for a while.

Ahe... I see not really much of a code monkey ..but i got you
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Well props on the froyo mod , using it right note..and thanks as well.
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The "Ice Cream Sandwich Desire Z waiting" thread

Well, even though Samsung and Google have delayed their event, Ice Cream Sandwich is around the corner and the funny thing is that still nothing has been confirmed of its features.
Looking forward to it on your Desire Z?

It'll be nice, but I'm sure not much of a change for day to day use for me. I'm more excited about getting it on my Nook Color.

You should put desire z and g2. But I just want it to be released already. Have you seen the new ics video on the supposed nexus prime?
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98% sure it won't be released for our phones.

rmcsc said:
98% sure it won't be released for our phones.
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Definitely won't be released officially, but that's why we have CyanogenMod and other CM-derived ROMs

I still hope they think of us Desire owners.....
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Isn't there an update supposed to be coming for the DZ? Maybe we'll get the ICS with Sense 3.5...

I think they will . But have you guys downloaded the new ics music app just search for it on the forums. Looks similar to the honeycomb one just a few tweeks here and there
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98% sure it won't be released for our phones.
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I smell Darwin Award....
We all know it wont be released for our phones.

I bought a Viewsonic gTablet and this was the same talk going on - No Honeycomb. Mods started to ban people whining about when HC would be ported to the gTab. I gave up hope and literally a month later, there was an alpha ROM and now there are 3-4 good HC ROMs out there. And I think Google didn't release the source code for it. So, I am sure we will get IS on our Zs!

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98% sure it won't be released for our phones.
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Well obviously... But most people on XDA aren't waiting for official OTA updates lol. Go go CM8!!
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I bought a Viewsonic gTablet and this was the same talk going on - No Honeycomb. Mods started to ban people whining about when HC would be ported to the gTab. I gave up hope and literally a month later, there was an alpha ROM and now there are 3-4 good HC ROMs out there. And I think Google didn't release the source code for it. So, I am sure we will get IS on our Zs!
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Well the issue there was no source code and probably a smaller community. It will be much easier when ICS source drops lol.

Im more excited about all the cool roms the devs are going to make based off ICS!
im sure cyanogenmod 8 will be he BOMB!

According to Koush on G+ it will be CM9. Makes sense because Honeycomb wasn't open source

C.Flat said:
According to Koush on G+ it will be CM9. Makes sense because Honeycomb wasn't open source
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Makes sense I guess, but I would think since CM8 never existed they'd just do CM8 for ICS.

Yea that would be awesome regardless of the naming scheme. I have yet to flash CM7 but for ICS I would do it in a heartbeat lol.

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According to Koush on G+ it will be CM9. Makes sense because Honeycomb wasn't open source
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Actually doesnt make sense but let the CM team do what they want....
In related news to CM, CM 7.1 final was released today

I would like to point out that there is absolutely no evidence to suggest that there will not be a 4.0 upgrade available for HTC VISION. Need I remind you all that there was an official upgrade to Android 2.2 for HTC SAPPHIRE/MAGIC32B made almost exactly ONE YEAR AGO? Yes, approximately the exact same time that HTC VISION was initially made available.
Also remember that the 32B was a 192 MB RAM device where only 97 MB was actually available to Linux. This significant upgrade from Android 1.6 to 2.2 required some MEMORY REDISTRIBUTION via new SPL to increase the available RAM to 112 MB. HTC VISION is not starved for RAM as the 32B was. HTC VISION has plenty of space left within the system partition (in fact on mine, there are 262 MB of free space on /system of over 400 total -- clearly intended to leave space for upgrades). Unlike the 32B, the specifications of Vision are far more than adequate, and even with a device as limited as 32B, they made the upgrade.
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Actually doesnt make sense but let the CM team do what they want....
In related news to CM, CM 7.1 final was released today
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CM "team", as well as all the other rom cookers out there (yes, they are cookers, Android is written by Google, CM just cooks it and adds in a few goodies.) do a TERRIBLE job of versioning.​
I once suggested a much more sensible approach to versioning, which is used by many other downstream open source projects... but they threw a tantrum.
Versioning of Android ROMs should be as follows;
UPSTREAMNAME-UPSTREAMVERSION-DOWNSTREAMREVISION.DOWNSTREAMNAMEVERSION.ARCHITECTURE
Obviously ARCHITECTURE doesn't apply directly, but this could be replaced with DEVICE.
So.... CM7.1 for VISION should be versioned as
android-2.3.7-0.CM7.1.vision
With this, if they make a minor update (that they would normally call CM7.1.1), it would increment the DOWNSTREAMREVISION, so the new version would be android-2.3.7-1.CM7.1.vision.
I.e., the point here would be to keep the priority on the upstream version rather than downstream, because "android-2.3.7" is FAR more important than "CM7.1". Quite frankly, the "CM" version means ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.

Haven't heard anything amazing about ICS so far wish I had though. Any solid awesome rumors about improvements or features?

killj0y said:
Haven't heard anything amazing about ICS so far wish I had though. Any solid awesome rumors about improvements or features?
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Not really.

dhkr234 said:
I would like to point out that there is absolutely no evidence to suggest that there will not be a 4.0 upgrade available for HTC VISION. Need I remind you all that there was an official upgrade to Android 2.2 for HTC SAPPHIRE/MAGIC32B made almost exactly ONE YEAR AGO? Yes, approximately the exact same time that HTC VISION was initially made available.
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That was a long time ago. Now, forget it. They already gave up one update. They wont give us another.
Besides HTC is problably planning a new version of Sense for Ice Cream Sandwich.
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Haven't heard anything amazing about ICS so far wish I had though. Any solid awesome rumors about improvements or features?
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Nothing. There is nothing confirmed for Ice Cream Sandwich at all. Google has had it tightly wrapped up.
The only thing we do know that it is Android 4.0
Besides that:
Facial recognition features, new APIs to reduce development fragmentation, a unification of phone and tablet UIs and its APIs.
Nothing else is confirmed with sources beside it.