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Firstly let me just as I give a MASSIVE congratulations to the guys in #g2root for all their hard work in achieving permanent root. I'm not going to lie, I thought Christmas time was an achievable target when it came to breaking the eMMC lockdown on the G2 and DHD but to do it in early November? (applause)
Anyway, my Black Ops addiction forces me to keep this short and sweet, as time is of the essence and I must earn some COD Points before work!
My question is, when we start seeing custom ROMs, will you be sticking with Sense or moving to an AOSP ROM? I'm interested in your reasons and also wondering whether there are any users who were fans of AOSP (Stock Android) and have been converted by the new and improved HTC Sense 'experience'?
Things to consider are speed, functionality, looks etc.
I'll weigh in with my opinion later on.
Please don't start flaming each other and turn this into some kind of epic fight between the OS and it's illegitimate shell UI of a child!
They both have pro's and con's.
Regards.
I much prefer stock android. Sense is nice, but i just don't really like the look of the dock (even though you can change it). Stock android with the transparent dock at the bottom, and all fancy animations for opening/closing apps, keyboard sliding up etc just looks awesome!
Also gingerbread im sure will probably have more eye candy, but again HTC might cut these from their roms. So i'll be sticking with stock. Cyanogen maybe..
No I couldnt get to grips with sense it looks really flash, but maybe it's because i came from the Magic that the system overhead of running all the ui effects worries me, so I have disabled it all and am waiting on Cyanogen
What counts more?
To me its not the UI that counts but the android version, in other words if i had a choice of CM 6.1 or my current sense rom id go for sense. Don't get me wrong CM is amazing but both being 2.2 id rather take the extra functionality, looks and ease of use of the new Sense roms than an AOSP build. However if i had the choice of CM 7.0 (ie gingerbread) or sticking with sense 2.2 i would move over to AOSP without a second thought!
After coming from the Hero and the amazing FroydVillain 1.5. I cannot wait for Hacre to start cooking ROMs for the DHD. So my choice is firmly in the AOSP camp.
Unless a custom rom offers something i dont have ill stick with sense. I like it graphically and much prefer htcs widgets.
Only phone ive loaded custom roms on before was my htc hero but that was because it fixed a message notification problem.
So far ive no issues with my DHD so see no reason at the moment for a custom rom.
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To me its not the UI that counts but the android version, in other words if i had a choice of CM 6.1 or my current sense rom id go for sense. Don't get me wrong CM is amazing but both being 2.2 id rather take the extra functionality, looks and ease of use of the new Sense roms than an AOSP build. However if i had the choice of CM 7.0 (ie gingerbread) or sticking with sense 2.2 i would move over to AOSP without a second thought!
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Sorry, surely Cyanogen adds functionality, or did I miss something? Yes you'll lose the SENSE skin but I'd be surprised if any real functionality is lost
i prefer aosp clean roms,i always used to have aosp cooked roms on my ex-desire and looking forward for aosp roms on dhd
Bring the AOSP roms on !!!
Yes..
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Sorry, surely Cyanogen adds functionality, or did I miss something? Yes you'll lose the SENSE skin but I'd be surprised if any real functionality is lost
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Im fully aware of the benefits of CM but being mostly a business user the utility i gain from sense is far greater than on AOSP, however the geek in me just cannot live with not having the latest and greatest OS. Simple as that.
Given the choice of a same version Sense UI and a CM ROM I'd likely stick with the Sense UI version. There is a lot more integration than normal flavour ROMs offer and it's one of the reasons HTC have been praised. Small touches like basic Facebore and Twatter integration without needing an app specific to them is nice, as it the browsing of Facebork photo albums as if they're on your device.
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Sorry, surely Cyanogen adds functionality, or did I miss something? Yes you'll lose the SENSE skin but I'd be surprised if any real functionality is lost
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It depends on what you call real functionality. As I just said above I love the extra touches that Sense UI has such as the Facebork photo albums, cross-account linking with updates from social networks in their contact profile on your phone and for me the best implementation of copy and paste outside of iOS. It's basic things, not massively important but those touches are missing from stock Android.
skimminstones said:
Unless a custom rom offers something i dont have ill stick with sense. I like it graphically and much prefer htcs widgets.
So far ive no issues with my DHD so see no reason at the moment for a custom rom.
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me too, i completely agree
I'm really torn between HTC Sense & AOSP. There are positive things for both, as this phone was supplied with android 2.1 and HTC Sense. So for me my first introduction to android was via the Sense UI so once I had rooted the phone and applied s-off I was keen to see what was difference for the user interface (ease of use) and to compare the battery life etc. I'm currently using cyanogen nightly builds, and I'm most impressed with its performance, I do miss some of the HTC widgets, but I get by! now for me my comparison between the two is like comparing kde vs gnome!
Currently my preference is with AOSP, but only by a slim margin as to some degree Sense is (for first time use) easier, but is quite taxing on CPU...
so there's my 2 cents worth!
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AOSP !!!
I dont use any Sense widgets. I prefer the speed in a Senseless ROM
I prefer Sense ROM most of the time.. i will try to play around with AOSP once in a while but when a higher version of android is out but still no official sense rom is out yet, AOSP is a must.. this applies to Gingerbread and higher xD
How about that sense browser with the translate feature on long press, can't get that anywhere but sense, and LPP has similar widgets
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I'll be sticking with Sense, at least for a while anyway (until I get bored!).
It's nice to have something that just works. Coming from WM6.5 it's such a breath of fresh air to just have a phone that does what it's supposed to when you want it to.
I have a Kaiser flashed with CM6 and a Rhodium with AOSP if I ever want to play with that, but right now I just want a seamless environment, and Sense seems to provide that for me quite nicely.
Sense without any doubt!! The only setting I would choose AOSP is if Gingerbread comes out before an official Htc rom with Sense, as said by many. That would be the only scenario I would choose that, and then decide what to do if/when Htc comes to the upper Android version too. I really feel good with Sense, love it!
I'llstick to the first Sense rom "without all the Sense crap" I will see. Why?
The sense phone dialer is unbeatable, so useful! I don't need the clock, Fancy widget takes care of this. I don't need the news and weather stuff and all Sense crap, but because of the dialer, the contacts management AND the music interaface, it's worth having. In the Desire Android development thread, there was 1 rom like this, but I stuck with a AOSP rom because it was better. This sense rom was ok, but still, too many crap in it. The AOSP was ok, but with an update almost everyday, I could merely keep up. So I gave up and sold my Desire. Now I'm back again on the Android scene, let's see what it brings.
BIG THANKS AND RESPECT TO THE G2 TEAM WHO MADE A DESIRE COME TRUE!!!
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dazultra2000 said:
I'll be sticking with Sense, at least for a while anyway (until I get bored!).
It's nice to have something that just works.
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yep, i agree, im not bored with it yet and it works - no reason to change
Okay so I have been thinking about this for awhile now and either I'm missing something or there is no substantial differences.
I was recently on Myns 2.2 RLS 5 and in my waiting time to RLS 6 I decided to try out the lastest nightly of CM7. Funny thing is, I was running ADW launcher which is also the stock launcher in CM7. I came to the conclusion that there really aren't too many differences between CM7 and Warm 2.2 or any sense ROM for that matter.
CM7/AOSP:
More customization
Warm2.2/Sense:
Full functionality of the phone with nothing not working
Sense launcher capabilities
A few other minor capabilities
I really, really cannot figure out the difference in the 2 at all aside from one being sense and the other being AOSP.
Potentially, I could use ADW launcher on both of them and they would look exactly the same and really the only differences would be that Sense would have full functionality of its features and CM7 would have more available customizations.
I MUST be missing something here. I have never really used an AOSP Rom as my daily driver so I can't say anything about the battery life or the speed and performance, but is this where the major differences in the two types of ROMS are?
Please no flaming here guys, I'm just looking at this in the simplest way possible.
Not only is there the Sense vs AOSP difference (which is big in my opinion, regardless of which you prefer), but you're also talking about two different versions of Android. CM7 is Gingerbread, and Warm 2.2 is Froyo. They're both Android, but other than that they're completely different.
Theres lots of little things some of which you don't notice if you are using adw, like senses widgets(paid launcher pro comes closest to replacing these).
Mainly the dialer, email, htc twitter app, music app, lockscreen, calculator, camera, calender, Bluetooth, Facebook integration etc. It's mostly apps with some os stuff like the Bluetooth on CM can use a wiimote.
I wish HTC would let us use thier apps on asop. HTC's dialer and email are what made it really hard for me to switch.
Before I get told about dialer one, I use it and its fine it's more the in call screen that pisses me off. I have to enter 16-24 strings of numbers about 15 times a day and having the number pad on the top is just plain stupid.
code. the code is way different on the entire thing, aosp versus sense. so if you are going to use adw anyways, i'd definetally go with cm7 to conserve battery and performance.
edit: wow didnt even realize i'm over 1000 posts. just kind of let that slip by. well, you get my 1002.
This is what I was aiming for. I like the functionality of adw launcher and was wondering where I would see the best results with it. Everything seems so much crisper in sense like the Facebook integration and dialer just like he said so it will be a hard change for me to make. Ilk try it out until rls 6 comes out. Then I'm going to have to try out calkulins and mikfroyo because Ive heard a lot of good things about them.
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All I can say is try them all and see what you like best. I have tried almost every Rom for the Evo and I stick with CM. The reason being is I don't like HTC Sense and use ADW on it anyway, so why not use an AOSP Rom and that way it won't kill my battery to have ADW because HTC Sense still runs in the background even if you are using a home replacement app. Really I love the smoothness and quickness of AOSP and I love that team CM has coded a fully functional AOSP, built from the ground up, for just about every device out right now. Unbelievable! Anyway, back to my point. Try multiple Rom's and give them each a few days so that you get to use all the functions you normally use with them and decide which one you like best. This is what I did, but I was already a little biased toward CM because that's what I used on my MyTouch and loved then and still love it now. I don't hate on Sense because I feel that HTC did a nice job and made a very functional version of android which works well with their devices, but for me it is CM7 all the way.
PS. I still flash new versions of some of the Sense Rom's that I liked every once in a while to see if they will pull me away from CM, but I always go back.
#1 main feature on CM7 that beats the competition: Screen on/off animations! =)
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Agreed...very awesome lol. Even caught my non tech savvy girl friends eye!
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Hello Mates,
Some of you might be in here that I've dealt with in the past. I am new to Android, but did a good share of work in here with WinMo and just came back from iOS. My iphone was stolen and I was bored with it, so I have just ordered a HTC Wildfire. While it gets here I am wanting to ask some questions. Obviously i tweak all the phones I own (have a BB too) and wanted to know who can recommend a good ROM that for now that keeps the Sense UI, but has most of the garbage sorted out (Language packs, and other unneeded stuff) so I can start reading. Two years ago, there were perhaps 4 or 5 ROMS per WinMo device, I see the game has changed.
Paul
Well, from the list of Sense ROM's, I would recommend WildPuzzle or Sunnabh. I have used both (Not that others like DK/DS etc., so cant really comment), and, both are fine ROM's. WildPuzzle allows a bit more customization by way of more packages and stuff, and, Sunnabh allows for stability minded approach, but, its your call.
I would say, try out both, and use the one which suits you. Ultimately, have a look at CM7 as well, even though it doesn't have Sense, I was mighty impressed with it. (Initially, even I was more of a "Sense" user)
Finally, hope that your Wildfire does not come with 2.2.1 pre-installed. Else, you will have to hunt around for someone with an XTC Clip.
The best sense ROM imo is Wildpuzzle . I love the transparent status bar and lock screen, its fast and since its just a customized version of a stock rom everything works and its as stable as an elephant on 4 legs.
But if you want a ROM with a bit more customization and android 2.3 (wildpuzzle only have 2.2) CM7 is a very good ROM (mh, what could u expect, Jacob compiled it ). The only problem with it imo is the slow gallery (not sense gallery) and the videocam quality.
Moved to general
I moved away from sense a few months ago and started using CM7, definitely not planning on going back any time soon! It should definitely be your first option if you decide to look beyond sense.
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The only problem with it imo is the slow gallery (not sense gallery) and the videocam quality.
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Which version of CM7 are you using? RC2 has a much faster version of the gallery than it used to, or at least it does on my Wildfire?
After months of testing, I am now using Leaf r3 and it's the best I have ever tried.
ALWAYS stable, no freeze. It's almost stock FroYo ROM but Sense widgets and some useless apps that I hated have been removed (oh thanks).
In CM7, the font looks pixelated, much worse than in FroYo. I believe is a Sense thing. So, I took Leaf r3 and created a Gingerbread-style framework-res.apk and HtcResources.apk, combined with Metro homescreen.
Amazing!
Some Sense apps are much nicer than Stock android apps (specially Camera)
This thread is pretty self-explanatory. I just thought I'd create it to see what other people besides me were using and why. Anyway, I don't know why I haven't seen any other thread like this, although I have a feeling someone's going to come and egg my house for this for some reason.
Right now I'm using faux123's AOSP Gingerbread ROM just because I like the speed and fluidity of AOSP.
Im Using UD. Its a pretty great rom but im getting tired of gingerbread and its little flaws for our mytouchs. Like the ffc for video chat being upside down and the lack of apps able to run properly
Everything? Right now RG 1.6. In about an hour probably fauxes AOSP to try to fix some stuff... (of mine that's broken.... not fauxs.. don't freak out).
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Cm7 nb#58 with stock cm kernel. Having no issues on this build.
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I've tried most of them, but always find my self coming back to CM7 (7.0.2 currently). I want so badly to run Faux's ASOP, but he stripped out the notification bar power widgets... and I am not sure I can live without them!
Currently using CM 7.0.2
CM7.0.2
I want to love the cm7 releases and they do work well but battery life seems to be much shorter than it is when using RoyalGinger. Anyone else have the same experience?
Running eViL's 4G-HD DesireHD port. I found out that when it comes to usability, pure Android is lacking A LOT compared to Sense (specifically - contacts/dialer, Exchange mail, browser), I'm tired of Gingerbread quirks, and I don't like the T-Mo Sense skin too much, so I'm running the pure Sense version.
As of a few days ago, running cm7 latest "stable" build. It's the first post-stock rom I've run, and I love it! So far very happy with the seemingly faster smoother experience, and battery so far seems much better than stock. I might get around to trying Royal's as I hear it's even faster and better with battery, but I'm wary of constant flashing lol, I just want a solid steady rom to use as my daily, and so far cm7 running LPP over it has made me happy
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Running eViL's 4G-HD DesireHD port. I found out that when it comes to usability, pure Android is lacking A LOT compared to Sense (specifically - contacts/dialer, Exchange mail, browser), I'm tired of Gingerbread quirks, and I don't like the T-Mo Sense skin too much, so I'm running the pure Sense version.
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I felt the same way until trying Launcher Plus Pro (LPP) - no it's not Sense, but offers many similar sense-like widgets that in my opinion actually work BETTER than their sense counterparts, i.e. the "Friends" LPP widget is SO much faster than Friendstream, and serves the same function, and LPP's calendar widget is much more efficient, you get both grid and agenda in one widget. Add to the widgets the far-superior customizable dock and I haven't looked back. Only drawback to running an AOSP rom over sense is the phone-related ui elements definitely suck, i.e. the dialer screen, etc. Overall though, totally worth the shift for me.
Royal Glacier v1.3. Its all in my signature. Fast and smooth with all the mt4g features available, great on battery life and performance and love the theme also.
boardopboy said:
I've tried most of them, but always find my self coming back to CM7 (7.0.2 currently). I want so badly to run Faux's ASOP, but he stripped out the notification bar power widgets... and I am not sure I can live without them!
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There are widgets in the market that do the same thing.
Faux's ASOP here. It's damn near perfect for me.
running royalglacier 1.3, its fast smooth, and gets awesome battery life. I have yet to try out any gingerbread roms, kinda waiting for the offical update, which may or may not come.
sunsean said:
I felt the same way until trying Launcher Plus Pro (LPP) - no it's not Sense, but offers many similar sense-like widgets that in my opinion actually work BETTER than their sense counterparts, i.e. the "Friends" LPP widget is SO much faster than Friendstream, and serves the same function, and LPP's calendar widget is much more efficient, you get both grid and agenda in one widget. Add to the widgets the far-superior customizable dock and I haven't looked back. Only drawback to running an AOSP rom over sense is the phone-related ui elements definitely suck, i.e. the dialer screen, etc. Overall though, totally worth the shift for me.
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I'm not using Sense for the widgets. Actually, I'm not using a single Sense widget on my 7 screens - even though I really like the full-screen weather animation that comes with HTC clock (but not willing to sacrifice half of my main screen for it).
I've been running LPP on stock Android for a long time using various ROMs on my Nexus One, including Gingerbread versions. The obvious parts of the stock-vs-Sense I already mentioned, but there are less obvious parts. The integration with external dialer in stock Android is bad, different screens coming up one after another for checking missed calls, very slow contact photo rendering on long lists, etc. LPP sucked when taking the phone off the charger every morning, having to restart and reload all the screens. Since GB it also sucked, being unable to do zoom-out and show 7 busy screens without hiccups, having to reload caches after every heavy app launch or charging, and scrolling slowly when using really busy screens. So I stopped using it and dropped GB in favor of Sense, and this preference remained when I moved to MT4G (my wife wanted the Nexus, I finally convinced her to move to Android from her antique WinMo).
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I've tried most of them, but always find my self coming back to CM7 (7.0.2 currently). I want so badly to run Faux's ASOP, but he stripped out the notification bar power widgets... and I am not sure I can live without them!
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Just get widgetsoid from market, its even better with pop up for brightness and individual volume controls, reboot options, custom intent and more.
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darinmc said:
There are widgets in the market that do the same thing.
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Is there one you would recommended over another?
Edit: Now seeing post above mine... I'll check it out!
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Running CM7 and after they get all the bugs working for the Galaxy Tab, will be giving it a try also.
I use Power Control Plus
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Ok, so, I downloaded Taz's Sense 4 ROM. Wow, this is smooth. But one thing buggers me - is this some kind of Slim version of Sense? Because, for example, I don't seem to find the setting to modify the lockscreen style. And there are a few other things too. Could it be just that this is a leaked version, so not feature complete? Or is there something more complicated in this story?
It isn't. This is full Sense 4.0, but considering it's a leak, it may (or may not) be missing some features.
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Ok, so, I downloaded Taz's Sense 4 ROM. Wow, this is smooth. But one thing buggers me - is this some kind of Slim version of Sense? Because, for example, I don't seem to find the setting to modify the lockscreen style. And there are a few other things too. Could it be just that this is a leaked version, so not feature complete? Or is there something more complicated in this story?
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The lockscreen shortcuts mirror whatever is on the dock.
Whatever Taz's rom is philosophically, it is a better fit for our phone than any of the sense 3.x roms. (though our devs did amazing work with those versions)
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The ROMs that taz and ajhavery have posted are based off the One V leak. The One V uses a stripped down version of Sense 4, it must be part of what HTC did to optimise the software for it. Some features are missing, like notification power toggles and customisable lockscreen shortcuts. These missing features are part of what makes it possible for it to be smooth.
the truth is this is Sense 4.0A.
We will be more sure when another sense 4 rom leaked.
Even though,I love this rom very much!!!
Hm,i dont think that missin power toggles and lockscreen links are enough to make a ROM (that challenges the specs of a htc one xl) fit the one V
There are many 3D effects in the "normal" Sense 4.
Any Menu where u can choose tabs at the bottom (for example the phone) are designed a cubes... so the effect if u changed the tabs is gone in S4 Light
The "recent Apps" Menu looks like the one of Android 4. Whereas the real Sense 4 has an 3D sight as when pressing shift+windows on Windows 7. Maybe the Flipclock has its 3D effect too, but hasnt realized that.
In the end, the devs will make the real Sense 4 running fluid on our phone as well just a matter of time
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hi does anyone know what the difference in battery usage is for sense 3 vs sense 4, Because I plan to root and I dont which to opt for
I dont mind the overal design its not a big thing
Hm, 4 is debloated and uses less ressources, so i guess it saves a bit of energy. We need a Display-brightness-mod to adjust the (way to powerful) brightness in dark areas. But if i am right, rooting and flashing the right rom (maybe with an OC Deamon) saves a lot battery, because it will underclock the CPU when theres no need for higher clockrates...
So, we might, no, surely will get a *full* Sense 4 experience once the devs get their hands on an official/final leaked rom?
Hm, I guess so. The light Sense 4 is more fitting the specs of the Desire Z. So, i think the priority of optimization goes to the light Build. Remember how long and (only devs know) how much work it took to make Sense 3.5 running fluid on desire z. I think Sense 4 (full) can fight on equal terms with 3.5
There is a hell of a lot work to do for the devs...
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Hm, I guess so. The light Sense 4 is more fitting the specs of the Desire Z. So, i think the priority of optimization goes to the light Build. Remember how long and (only devs know) how much work it took to make Sense 3.5 running fluid on desire z. I think Sense 4 (full) can fight on equal terms with 3.5
There is a hell of a lot work to do for the devs...
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Well, the first builds of Sense 3.5 which ran smoothly enough to not make you pull your hair out just arrived 8-9 weeks ago. Around the time ICS source code was released.
Anyway, HTC said that they tried to make Sense 4 more trimmed down. I do think they were referring to both their versions, not just the „lite” one, am I right?
I've read that Sense 4a is made to be lighter, for phones with less memory, like the G2. Lock screen customization is a feature that didn't make the cut.
Sense 4A is meant for the One V which has less powerful hardware. It's a slightly stripped down version of Sense 4 which the One X and One S will be running. I'm pretty sure HTC stripped it down a bit so that it could run smoothly on that hardware.
I also know that HTC admitted to Sense becoming bloated, and that they're trying to reduce the "bloat", which is why Sense 4 appears to be simpler and has a few features missing.
Well, I think that's fine. 4A seems to be on the lighter side. Sense tries to follow the principle of function and speed above glitter. It also seems to be on the minimal side when compared to 3.x...Hence the sacrifice of customization options as such.
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I am currently trying out the new Sense 4.0A, and I quite like it.
I am coming from using a supercharged overclocked Energy Rom with swap enabled, which is OK (its my DD), apart from a couple of things - performance on games such as cut the rope etc is laggy, and opening mail/messages can take up to ten seconds sometimes.
The only issues I have currently with the new sense (apart from the camera of course) is that I cannot work out if it is possible to have more than 5 home screen panels. I don't know if I have just not worked it out or if it is a limitation of Sense 'lite'.
I can live with that by using folders anyway.
I think I would rather go for the cut down version that still keeps most of the functionality, and gain speed and reliability. Seriously, as soon as the camera works I think this is a DD for me.
I am currently testing a Sense 4.0 ROM and I really like it. Cannot wait until everything is running correct.