I’ve currently got a HTC Touch Pro and I’m thinking about maybe buying a HD2 which I can get on eBay for about £170 - £200 and that’s quite a lot of money so I want to be sure before I buy it. What has mainly gotten me interested in this phone is the fact it can run Windows Phone 7 which looks lovely. A few things I’m unsure about is the size and the fact this phone doesn’t have a hardware keyboard, I’ve used a friend’s HD2 before but only for a few minutes. Anybody here upgrade to the HD2 from a phone with a hardware QWERTY keyboard how did you find getting use to the onscreen one, was it better?
Thanks
It can run WP7, but it's a bit of a hack, you basically can't "activate" it to get apps from the marketplace or other xbox live services without calling Microsoft and getting a gullible representative on the line, which are hard to come by because by now they've mostly been briefed on this.
Also, who knows when nodo comes out in March if the old ROMs will still function indefinitely, nodo itself will have to be hacked in order for it to accept sideloading which Microsoft has stated they'd close. Also half the reason why the closed-source WP7 works so well on the HD2 is because it was prototyped on the HD2, the ROMs available now are based on those prototypes, after nodo, that also won't be the case, necessitating the making of drivers for a closed-source OS with no native SDK.
I don't want to sound negative, but my experience with WP7 is that it's not a "daily driver" on the HD2, and unlike Android on the HD2 is very much an unfinished work with an uncertain future due to Microsoft locking up the platform. It is fun to play with though, and I think you'd enjoy the HD2 in general, but if what you want is a WP7 phone, you probably should buy a WP7 phone.
I bought the HD2 for use as a student/scientist to be able to communicate with work effectively through email along with mobile office and all the great features it has. The lack of qwerty keyboard is made up for by the large screen. It gives a touch screen keyboard a lot of real estate to work with. But I just recently decided to install android on it instead of upgrading to WM7. That has made me love this phone. You can keep WM6.5 on the phone as well as install android for all the fun quirkiness you need. It has made this phone perfect for me. This phone is like a mullet: Business in the front (windows), party in the back (android, and by back I mean SD card).
I had a Desire and moved on to the HD2 about a month ago - the larger screen makes using the touch keyboard easier.
A side effect of booting Android off an SD card (as I do) is that a *full* backup of the installation can be made by simply copying the contents of the relevant directories on the SD card. Also, the data.img file (equivalent to the data partition on a phone where the O/S is installed in EEPROM) can be resized (with some care) to a larger size if needed.
Should you buy an HD2?
YES.
Firstly WP7 works properly and is EASY to activate via MS helpline.(1 phone call approx. 2 mins). There is a ton of support for you and any questions or problems you have, right here on this site.
A bit of a hack?... Yes, well this is XDA and I'm pretty sure you know that and are comfortable with it already.
WP7 on the HD2 works better (faster) than on the HD7!!!!
Secondly if you don't like WP7 as an everyday OS (are you ill?) then you can have WM6.5, Android, Ubuntu, Meego and even Win 95/98 or I think I read somewhere XP????
Why would you even ask if you should buy one?
£200 is cheap (£400+ rrp) compared to anything else on the market especially when you look at the specs and performance of those devices compared with the HD2.
I've had to upgrade my SD Card for £30, but I didn't have to fork out £300 for HD7, and I was going to upgrade anyway to fit more music on.
As for the soft keyboard...what can I say? It's bigger than the hard keys you've got at the minute and the Touch Screen works great.
The only question you should be asking is;
Why hasn't everyone got an HD2?
No matter what you prefer as an OS, the HD2 has got you covered thanks to the hard work of some great people on XDA, Cotulla and Bepe @ DFT and lots of others, too many to name here.
Essentially the HD2 will do what you want it to do when you want it to do it. And if what you want to do is sell it, for a new iPhone or HD7 (seriously, you may want to book some time with your GP), then plenty of people on here will want to buy it.
BUY... BUY... BUY....
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PloniAlmoni said:
It can run WP7, but it's a bit of a hack, you basically can't "activate" it to get apps from the marketplace or other xbox live services without calling Microsoft and getting a gullible representative on the line, which are hard to come by because by now they've mostly been briefed on this.
Also, who knows when nodo comes out in March if the old ROMs will still function indefinitely, nodo itself will have to be hacked in order for it to accept sideloading which Microsoft has stated they'd close. Also half the reason why the closed-source WP7 works so well on the HD2 is because it was prototyped on the HD2, the ROMs available now are based on those prototypes, after nodo, that also won't be the case, necessitating the making of drivers for a closed-source OS with no native SDK.
I don't want to sound negative, but my experience with WP7 is that it's not a "daily driver" on the HD2, and unlike Android on the HD2 is very much an unfinished work with an uncertain future due to Microsoft locking up the platform. It is fun to play with though, and I think you'd enjoy the HD2 in general, but if what you want is a WP7 phone, you probably should buy a WP7 phone.
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WP7 on HD2 is a hack, yes, but this is the XDA site, and if you're here, you're probably already comfortable with that fact.
WP7 works properly and is EASY to activate via MS helpline.(1 phone call approx. 2 mins). There is a ton of support for you and any questions or problems you have, right here on this site.
HD2 was the test bed for WP7 on HTC devices, and HD7 is a slightly worse re-worked version of the HD2, so any future HD7 updates will be portable to HD2 which, if experience is an indicator, will run them better than HD7.
The Chevron7 unlock guys have been talking with MS about their sideload app, and although MS are going to close the loophole, Windows is Windows...infinitely hackable.
You may not be trying to sound negative, but you're not doing a very good job.
Definitely buy a HD2 and run Android (NAND) and you'll never look back.
Hi! I'd like to buy an hd2 too. My questions (in part you have already answered) are the following: i would buy an used hd2 to run above all android (and maybe occasionally i could try wp7 or the original wm6.5). But worth buying an hd2 for an unofficial rom? and android on hd2 is stable as the official one? has it problems (maybe it freezes...)? thank you very much!!!
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Hi! I'd like to buy an hd2 too. My questions (in part you have already answered) are the following: i would buy an used hd2 to run above all android (and maybe occasionally i could try wp7 or the original wm6.5). But worth buying an hd2 for an unofficial rom? and android on hd2 is stable as the official one? has it problems (maybe it freezes...)? thank you very much!!!
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Running WM6.5 I stuck with HTC ROMs, but WP7 means Custom is the new Standard. I don't know about Android, there is a seperate forum, I've never used it, too happy with WP7 (WM6.5 is also very good functionally), which works perfectly if you do it properly. See the posts on this forum about SD Cards.
In short, if you've thought about buying an HD2 you've made a mistake. JUST DO IT, you (probably) wont regret it.
I offer no guarantees on your experience when you decide to purchase. My experience has been awesome.
I am not paid by HTC to advertise their product, however if they offered to pay me, I would gladly advertise the HD2.
I have a Touch Pro & bought the HD2 about a month ago. It is a good device. In my opinion Android is not that special & WM7 is not worth the hassle.
I find Energy WM6.5.x build ROMs superb, rock solid with great GUI of sense & CHT.
The only thing better in Android is available games, Android platform itself is far from ground breaking & graphically dull as dull can get.
On screen keyboard options are good with WM although I still prefer a hard keyboard but the HD2 is good becuase of the huge screen & of course the SnapDragon.
Viewing websites is also far easier with the large screen & Opera 10 or 9.7.
You won't go far wrong with a HD2 if you are up to speed on modding WM, W7 & Android will leave you with problems (W7) or dull OS (Android).
Everyone is different but at least with the HD2 you can have many platforms in one device if you so wish.
ok. thanks a lot!! last question: i already tried to change bootloaders and roms in previuos winmo phones, luckily always all was ok. But in the hd2 is enough simple change bootloader/radio? i know that there are always risks but i've seen a lot of threads about "bricked" and "dead"/no more usable hd2. My question then is: if you follow carefully instructions of cookers is enough improbable that you brick your phone?? is this true? sorry for my bad english!
ps: can i trust buying used hd2 that already have android or however unofficial roms? This doesn't mean that these phones are "bricked", is this correct? even better then i may not have to change radio, correct? thank you very much!!
First Time
I only found out about Custom ROMs, flashing and Bootloaders 3 weeks ago, the first time I flashed everything worked. The HD2 is very stable, the ROMs on this site can be very stable.
Read the instructions carefully, make sure you have everything you need and a few hours spare to do the work. If you do this everything will be fine.
The Radio, MAGLDR and HSPL are as easy to install as a stock ROM, once you've read the instructions available.
NOW GO BUY YOUR HD2!!!!
NOW INSTALL WP7!!!
Thank you all for the replies and your be happy to know that I brought a HD2 yesterday on eBay for £177 I can't wait to get my hands on it =-D
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ok. thanks a lot!! last question: i already tried to change bootloaders and roms in previuos winmo phones, luckily always all was ok. But in the hd2 is enough simple change bootloader/radio? i know that there are always risks but i've seen a lot of threads about "bricked" and "dead"/no more usable hd2. My question then is: if you follow carefully instructions of cookers is enough improbable that you brick your phone?? is this true? sorry for my bad english!
ps: can i trust buying used hd2 that already have android or however unofficial roms? This doesn't mean that these phones are "bricked", is this correct? even better then i may not have to change radio, correct? thank you very much!!
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I would prefer to buy a stock device rather than one that could of been subject to a lot of flashing ect.
Also try to buy the revision model identified by having yellow reset button rather than red.
These are reported to have better motherboards & screen assemblies (HTC revised model due to large amount of motherboard & screen fault warranty returns)
If buying used don't buy anything that sounds a bit iffy, HD2 is not a cheap or simple device to fix.
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What do you guys think of getting involved in a class action against HTC/Microsoft if HD2 is not allowed WP7? Now that WP7 is announced, many software companies are going to stop (or already stopped) developing for WinMo 6.5 and we are left outside with an already bricked 2 month old device (it's not even out for USA). I don't like paying $1.000 (yes it is that expensive where I live) for a device which will be outdated in 2 months. HTC and Microsoft should be more loyal to their customers than that. What do you all think?
HTC and Microsoft never promised a WP7S upgrade.
If you're thinking about raising a class action for something that wasn't in the contract of sale, you are, as we say in Scotland, an eejit (idiot).
Sell your HD2 now and be phone-less for 6 months, then buy a Wp7s capable phone. Or at the very least wait for an official announcement on whether it will be upgradable or not.
they never promised an upgrade, but they never said that we won't be able to use WP7 apps as well. Even when you buy a desktop PC with Windows, you're given the option of free upgrade when the new OS is imminent, else no one would buy. And that's when you can still perfectly use all the new applications on your old OS. Don't you feel kinda being cheated, is it only me??
bricked device? it still works doesn't it? you've got a year or so before 7 really hits the mass market, that doesn't stop your phone from working NOW.
do you look at cars the same way? I got my Renault Laguna, it's made in 2001 but I'm not moaning because they don't let me upgrade to the nice shiny 2010 model engine just because i have an older version.
I don't get the complaining about being able to have 7 on their phone when clearly it doesn't have the hardware (4 point multi touch, 3 buttons etc) that windows 7 needs.
I'm sure MS or HTC will take the OS as far as they feel like before 7 rolls out and I would not doubt that some of the clever code monkeys here on XDA will be able to cook up a fantastic 7 ROM that will work in some way on our currently working and rather impressive HD2's
why are people complaining about not having win7 available on the device when it is out in about 7 months time? Did you buy the HD2 SOLELY on the basis it would have this upgrade in OS? Did HTC promise you that it was going to upgraded to win7 when it came out?
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they never promised an upgrade, but they never said that we won't be able to use WP7 apps as well. Even when you buy a desktop PC with Windows, you're given the option of free upgrade when the new OS is imminent, else no one would buy. And that's when you can still perfectly use all the new applications on your old OS. Don't you feel kinda being cheated, is it only me??
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WP7 is not new version of WM6.5. Call it Zune Phone and it all becomes clear.
And even if free upgrade is offered sometimes with desktop computers, it clearly is stated as a part of the contract. Here it was not. If you don't like it, you should have not bought it.
I had thought of hanging on to my Touch Pro until WP7 came out. I ended up getting the HD2 and I've never had so much fun with a phone.
We are spoiled rotten in this community. I can get my device to do anything I want it to do and a few things I hadn't even thought of thanks to the hard work, generosity and smarts of the good people who contribute to these forums.
Come on! We don't even know if we will like WP7 yet! Enjoy the amazing device you have. Modify it, flash it, load a thousand apps on it if you like.
By the time WP7 is stable, usable and has a load of good apps, we'll probably be good and ready for an upgrade.
If the HD2 does everything you need in a phone what does it matter if it will run 7 or not? Especially if HTC never promised it would.
If its just for epeen status you're gonna look like gypsy joe anyway come the time trying to run a new OS on an old phone. Either way I am sure some bright spark on XDA will make 7 run on the HD2.
Also remember that WP7 is brand new OS with no applications at all. It will take at least a year till it will start to be usable for basic operation. We don't know how hard it will be to adapt actual applications. It might be minor modifications, it might be totally impossible, and everything would have to be done from the scratch.
Yes .. we all want new better WM .. but WP7 is just not that.
How many more threads are we going to get on the same subject.
WM6.5.5 is NOT being withdrawn and will continue to support the business users. From what i've seen of wm7, its "pants" and not suitable for business use, but thats my opinion.
I find it difficult to beleive that so many of you purchased the phone based on the pretence that it would be upgraded to WM7. At the end of the day, you will get it anyway - albeit not from HTC but from XDA.
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How many more threads are we going to get on the same subject.
WM6.5.5 is NOT being withdrawn and will continue to support the business users. From what i've seen of wm7, its "pants" and not suitable for business use, but thats my opinion.
I find it difficult to beleive that so many of you purchased the phone based on the pretence that it would be upgraded to WM7. At the end of the day, you will get it anyway - albeit not from HTC but from XDA.
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you are right but most applications developers stoped developing for wm6.5 and starts to develope for the upcoming wp7 series so it is wm6.5 end (but not in an official way)
reasons why this bull
1 in the box which my htc hd2 was piece of paper saying that this phone would get a upgrade to wm7
2 there footage of wm7 on the htc hd2
3 the fact that ms always denie all rumours about all their products
4 no device has 4 point mutil touch if was the case this would be a big deal for microsoft as apple owns the patents for true mutil touch screens
5 windows specs change all the time and this is true for all software
6 the htc hd2 pro is coming out and professionals would want wm7
a piece of paper may say they will do 7 but maybe the rules changed and they discovered in the full release version they can't run wm7
i'm sure the initial idea was great but reality has deemed the hd2 not suitable for wm7
would a pro want an OS that's not allowing backward compatibility of their "pro" apps? no so maybe they'll stick with 6.5xxxx
have you actually tried wm7 yet? all this fuss and it might turn out to be rubbish then i guess you'll bring another class action against MS to say you want 6.5 back
whether it be Apple/MS/HTC they can't please everyone but to rant about it BEFORE the OS is out is pretty pointless. think logically rather than throw toys from pram please
I think WP7 will be business oriented. Only think they can do better then the others would be exchange synchronization. Otherwise I see no reason why would anybody buy it. And before new apps are done for it, iPhone will have new version, Android will be at 3.0 and another players may show up.
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What do you guys think of getting involved in a class action against HTC/Microsoft if HD2 is not allowed WP7? Now that WP7 is announced, many software companies are going to stop (or already stopped) developing for WinMo 6.5 and we are left outside with an already bricked 2 month old device (it's not even out for USA). I don't like paying $1.000 (yes it is that expensive where I live) for a device which will be outdated in 2 months. HTC and Microsoft should be more loyal to their customers than that. What do you all think?
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Sorry guys, I couldn't help it
this forum gets dumber by the day.
I'll Stick with 6.5!
Why does anyone want WP7 anyway? My phone works just the way I want it (now, after a few problems initially), it is fast, looks great and makes most other phones look like they were just dug up in an episode of Time Team!
I have just about every app I could want, running beautifully and doing pretty much everything I could ever need. If I was offered WP7 today I would say no! An untried OS with no software support for at least another 6 months (after release) and we don't know how customizable or flexible it will be... I'd be mad to jump ship from 6.5!
When I know what the new OS actually is, when I know I can get all the software I require and that I can make the phone the way I want it and that the OS is something I actually like THEN... I'll have a new device that will have even more bells and whistles and this won't be an issue...
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Why does anyone want WP7 anyway? My phone works just the way I want it (now, after a few problems initially), it is fast, looks great and makes most other phones look like they were just dug up in an episode of Time Team!
I have just about every app I could want, running beautifully and doing pretty much everything I could ever need. If I was offered WP7 today I would say no! An untried OS with no software support for at least another 6 months (after release) and we don't know how customizable or flexible it will be... I'd be mad to jump ship from 6.5!
When I know what the new OS actually is, when I know I can get all the software I require and that I can make the phone the way I want it and that the OS is something I actually like THEN... I'll have a new device that will have even more bells and whistles and this won't be an issue...
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why would you like to stay with un supported version of os ,as wp7 arrives developers will stop developing for wm6.5
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How many more threads are we going to get on the same subject.
WM6.5.5 is NOT being withdrawn and will continue to support the business users. From what i've seen of wm7, its "pants" and not suitable for business use, but thats my opinion.
I find it difficult to beleive that so many of you purchased the phone based on the pretence that it would be upgraded to WM7. At the end of the day, you will get it anyway - albeit not from HTC but from XDA.
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+1 -CLASS ACTION? That is so laughable! End these threads please it just annoying to guess at everything. Wait for the MIX '10 and listen to then as to what they want to say. Until then no more threads about WP7 upgrades on HD2...wahh.wahhh.wahhh...
There goes another 2 minutes of my life. When will I learn....
I have had my HTC HD2 for around 5-6 months now. Though I'm happy with it and it has exceeded my expectations, I was thinking of upgrading it to WM7 when it's finally ported for the HD2.
What I would love to know is if the HD2 indeed had WM7 ported for it, would it run the SAME as it would on HTC HD7?
Reason I ask this is because I was planning on selling my HD2 and get the HD7.
However, both phones have the SAME screen size, same 1ghz processor, same ram & same 5mp camera, the HD7 only being 720p.
Why should I sell my old HD2 to buy the new one which is the SAME spec?
That is why I was asking if WM7 was ported onto the HD2, would it:
- Run as quick?
- Responsive, fast & smooth
- If it really will be ported, when can we expect the first rom or when should it be made for HD2
I am sure sooner or later wp7 will be cracked and ported for HD2. So we will have the same device with HD7 except the looks. Also we have some more hard buttons as an extra
Its not the same.....
It might be a very similar spec but the actual components will differ.
No ported OS will ever run as smoothly as it would on its intended device....
If you want a dedicated WP7 then you'll have to get one not wait for a port.
The fact that it is a user-made port, most likely running off SD card will mean it may be a little more sluggish than something designed natively for, and run natively on, a different device.
That's assuming the problems using Live services are overcome too
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Its not the same.....
It might be a very similar spec but the actual components will differ.
No ported OS will ever run as smoothly as it would on its intended device....
If you want a dedicated WP7 then you'll have to get one not wait for a port.
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Doh that's what I thought!
Well I hope at least if a port does take place, it will perform almost as good as it does on the HD7, but we have to wait and see first when one is made and how it performs.
the camera is capable of 720p it lacks drivers
From my understanding as of right now. The phone will boot into WP7 but it will not have any live application functionality. Meaning the live hubs will not work so no it will not work just like a HD7.
I personally cannot understand the hardware choices they made for WP7. They are all the same spec as the HD2, and personally I'm not shelling out $500ish for the equivalent of a Software upgrade. I'd get all your use out of the HD2 first and wait for the next Hardware generation, unless WP7 really is a big deal for you.
Personally, as a big WinMob fan, I'm now running Android on my HD2, and worryingly I might not come back to MS. Android is exceeding all my expectations, and with no upgrade path to WP7, it's beginning to win my heart, despite my slight mistrust of Google.
If WP7 does come to HD2, the big problem now does appear to be the use of Live Services. Maybe Microsoft may soon relent and sell genuine Licence Keys (there's no sign of that - it's just my wish), but until then you'll probably be locked out of them.
I have had many phones: MDA, Wing, Omnia I900, Iphone 3G and now the HTC HD2. I have Android on my HD2 and use it all the time. Only reboot back into WM every so often.
Why would I or anyone else want WM7? I can make my phone look like WM7, an iPhone, etc. Do looks really matter? Every OS has it advantages and disadvantages.
Android apps are plentiful, cheap and very good. Does WM7 have as many apps?
Do I loose a little (whatever) using Android on my HD2? If I do I don't know what.
Should I buy a new Android phone? What would I gain?
Lets be realistic. The phone companies just love to put out new phones with minor tweeks so us 'suckers' keep them in business. Where does it end?
Personally I can see buying new, if there is that much more bang for the buck. Otherwise, get the value out of what you have. In IT what you buy today is always a day behind what comes out tomorrow.
JMHO!
i am going to ask you why do you want wp7? it's a huge step backwards for users in several key areas and to regain some of that functionality, you need to do several hacks to get wp7 to do what WM 6.5 can already do with ease.
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i am going to ask you why do you want wp7? it's a huge step backwards for users in several key areas and to regain some of that functionality, you need to do several hacks to get wp7 to do what WM 6.5 can already do with ease.
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I accually hate WP7 interface and software. Really. This is my personal opinion.
anhyeuemmaimai said:
i am going to ask you why do you want wp7? it's a huge step backwards for users in several key areas and to regain some of that functionality, you need to do several hacks to get wp7 to do what WM 6.5 can already do with ease.
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I couldn't agree with you more.
Cause of interest in wp7, I read many tests and user ratings and played with it a time. After all I would buy myself an iPhone( I hate it ) instead of any wp7 phones. Its the same rubbish like iOS but for iPhone you can get more funny and useless apps . Also if you like a fast and smooth UI, WM6.5 or Android would be a better choice. wp7 will not allow to be really individual with your phone...all phones are the same hardware in other shells with same unchangeable UI. There are many more disadvantages...you should may inform yourself one more time.
But when you already know all of this there is no chance to help you
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Cause of interest in wp7, I read many tests and user ratings and played with it a time. After all I would buy myself an iPhone( I hate it ) instead of any wp7 phones. Its the same rubbish like iOS but for iPhone you can get more funny and useless apps . Also if you like a fast and smooth UI, WM6.5 or Android would be a better choice. wp7 will not allow to be really individual with your phone...all phones are the same hardware in other shells with same unchangeable UI. There are many more disadvantages...you should may inform yourself one more time.
But when you already know all of this there is no chance to help you
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How are people saying WinMo and Android have faster smoother UI. That is false
Thanks everyone for your input, views and opinions.
As some have said, htc just want us to shell out another $500 just to get wm7 which may or may not be worth it since it does have the same hardware as the current htc hd2 and as it's new, there is a lot less software/apps & with regards to compatability, many existing apps for windows mobile 6.5 will not work with wm7.
Since this is the case, maybe there is no point in even upgrading to wm7 or buying a wm7 phone...
Anyway my other phone is the HTC Desire HD running android 2.2 froyo so I have the best of both.
well ! when phone 7 will be ported to HD2 microsoft will release wino 8 lol!
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I have had my HTC HD2 for around 5-6 months now. Though I'm happy with it and it has exceeded my expectations, I was thinking of upgrading it to WM7 when it's finally ported for the HD2.
What I would love to know is if the HD2 indeed had WM7 ported for it, would it run the SAME as it would on HTC HD7?
Reason I ask this is because I was planning on selling my HD2 and get the HD7.
However, both phones have the SAME screen size, same 1ghz processor, same ram & same 5mp camera, the HD7 only being 720p.
Why should I sell my old HD2 to buy the new one which is the SAME spec?
That is why I was asking if WM7 was ported onto the HD2, would it:
- Run as quick?
- Responsive, fast & smooth
- If it really will be ported, when can we expect the first rom or when should it be made for HD2
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First of all everything the hd7 has the hd2 has the only major change from the devices is that they added a kickstand.
I for one think that if the hd7 has same hardware as hd2 then running wp7 on hd2 shouldn't really be a difference. In a matter of fact the hd2 runs android well compared to other android devices that were made to run it.
OP, I think you should stay with the HD2. I'd rather have the ability to run four different operating systems (relatively well) than run a single system slightly better.
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i am going to ask you why do you want wp7? it's a huge step backwards for users in several key areas and to regain some of that functionality, you need to do several hacks to get wp7 to do what WM 6.5 can already do with ease.
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Indeed. As a matter of fact, i just recently bought an HD2. not full price, less than 300 euros for a brand new unusued unscratched device with 1 y warranty.
I knew very well that W7 was coming out, even that the HD7 was soon to be out. But its the same phone. I like having extra buttons (hate 100% touch phones.. i like to press something when it becomes unresponsive ). I like Winmobile, even if people say its ****. I like my collection of CAB files.
I like HD2. I like 6.5.
i dont like the new presentation of the phone on W7.. plus the apps will be slow to launch etc etc. If u really wanna upgrade, do it in a years time, get ur phone 50% off
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OP, I think you should stay with the HD2. I'd rather have the ability to run four different operating systems (relatively well) than run a single system slightly better.
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That's VERY true. I have indeed tried android on the hd2, it was responsive, quick & reliable.
When you see android running for the first time on your hd2, you smile and think to yourself ''how cool'' I got android on a phone meant to run windows.
Anyway, I will keep my hd2 for now...
just an idea - if there is no "backward compability" for WM6,5 applications on WP7, then - from technical point of view - if anyone can install/move/copy the whole WM6,5 from HTC HD/HD2 to HTC HD7 or any of WP7 phones? I mean, are there any "hardwarish objections" for such operation?
The incompatibility issues alone and work required to do this would be immense
Also posted in wrong forum. All queries should be directed to General Forum which I've now moved it to
This is kinda funny, but I would love to see older OS(WM 6.1/6.5) on newer phones.
Why do we have to move to Windows Phone OS? We’re going from "pocket PC's" to "Smart Phones". That is a step backwards. I’ve got my HTC diamond 2 running perfect just want a faster phone, with HD Video cam. When I had a Samsung Omnia, I fixed all its problems by installing a moded HTC WM6.5 rom, I want a new HTC now, but hate WP7! I got into Xda's cos you can make um run how you want, WP7 is like why I hate the IPhone. I would love to get the HTC 7 Pro if I can just keep the OS I’m using on my HTC Diamond 2, its perfect now. I can’t be the only one that feels, windows phone is just windows mobile Basic.
Pleases give us our full OS back! or how's this. A choice of OS
Windows Phone X.X User
and
Windows Mobile X.X Pro
Does that make it less confusing? I really do want to know of a good 6.5 rom for the HD7 or 7 Pro are available. Thank you
P.s. what are non-phone PDA's going to run on? Is wm6.5 the last OS ever?
Windows phone 7 is a sh*t transition from windows mobile to full fledged operating system like Windows 7. WP7 sucks big time, no productivity for me.
It is all true... I'm totaly disapointed with my HT7 because of the WP7..
I need WM6.5 or at last Android on it...
Some one help us!!!
There are no devs to do this. They lack time, knowledge, drivers, blah blah.
We give them money, they won't do a sh**
Simply said, there is no community like it was few years ago. Shame.
that might be true, but nobody forced you to buy a device with an os, that you don't like, if you simply wanted to give different OSs a try, your best choice would have been a HD2, which handles wm6.5, 6.5.x, android, wp7, ubuntu, windows 95, 98 and meego. that way, if you are unsatisfied with either OS, you still have plenty of others to give a try.
I'm not a programmer, so I’m sorry if this is impossible for something I’ve not see. But couldn't someone make a rom file that you copy directly onto the inbuilt SD micro card. Of course this will mean hard resetting the phone it will install from the inbuilt Rom copy of WP7. But you just pop the card in a pc, maybe partition it 512MB program storage. And the other 14.5MB storage card (after lost formatting space.) I though the HD2 and HD7 are almost the same Xda device. Please PDA WinMobo OS's cant die! It does the most
All I want is Smartphone’s that work how I want, not how I’m told to use um.
Losing this is stepping back in time.
Thanks for reading Stu Jones
Enabling WM6.5 on HD7
Hi Guys,
I have been a PDA user and in particular a a windows mobile user for 7-8 years now. I am a total fan of modified ROMs and hats off to all those developers who have been developing modified ROMs on many various devices for many years now, I extend my appreciation and gratitude now. I have also been an xda-developers member for many years now, and have read many many posts and forum topics, so please disregard the post count as I didn't need to post in many cases.
I recently graduated; though I am a communications engineering graduate I did do embedded systems in my last year. Having said that, I am now in a position to start playing around with such devices and possibly do some development work.
I, like the people on this thread have mentioned, do not like WP7, the the fact that you cannot directly sync with outlook, and even worse, HD7 Pro has hardware keyboard that is completely useless and WP7 doesn't even go in to landscape mode unless typing up messages.
On the other hand, even though I appreciate Android, I do not like it either for various reasons I'd rather not delve in to. I am a fan of hardware keyboards, therefore I also had in my mind the possibility of porting WM6.5 to Desire Z though I have not even researched the feasibility of it yet.
Therefore, I announce to my fellow xda-developers.com users and readers of my intentions to begin work on porting WM6.5 to HD7. Though I do not have any experience or knowledge on the venture. The start will be a slow process and request the patience of everyone.
Having said that I would need a mentor when I run in to problems and when I need help. I would appreciate it if one of the more experienced developers here could express their willingness to help when needed I would be really grateful.
Having said that, those with experience, is there a good link you could give me where I could start reading up on what I need to learn about the device and the OS in question?
I presume I would need to know the specific system components of the HD7 and HD2, what components are identical, similar and different? I believe that the architecture is similar if not identical? Thanks.
Regards
Hi all, im new here to start join this site, because i just bought HTC HD2 started to use wm6.5, this site lot of information help me to choose the collect phone model before i buy it, before i was thinking of which OS is the best & use full for me, WM6.5? WP7? or Android? i need to choose the OS can support GMXT GPS its important for me travel lot, both of them WP7 & Android cant make it, so i choose HD2, i was bought 3 days ago in Vietnam HCMC, try to find best price in town, almost every sold out! get from website information for used HD2, almost sold out too, until 7th shop i get it, used but look new but is T mobile HD2, USD370 deal..
WP7 is a god send of an OS, I still use my WM oh my HD and ill come to that in a sec, but WP7 is actually very good, you do need to work with it for a while, but once you get used to it its amazing.
Now, WM 6.x is a beast of an OS, there is nothing out there quite like it, I believe in the next installment of MAGLDR they are looking to allow WM to be installed via magldr, this may open the way to allow SD/RAM builds of WM to run on a HD2 meaning, WP7, WM6.5 and android could all potentially be bootable at the same time
The differences between the HD2 and the HD7 are notable, its not a straight copy, unfortunately there is a big lack of intrest in WM so i would keep your eyes on android coming to the HD7, that will use something similar to MAGLDR and if thats the case you may find WM is installable as well.
DOnt hold your breath tho, we've been waiting for a new MAGLDR version for several months now and as i said, there are differences so there may well be serious driver related issues, which ironically is the stumbling block of WM! Had HTC and QC not shafted us with no driver support for the WM6.5 OS then it would actually be a modern day OS contender.
guys, that this up in the HD2 sectoin, this is for the Touch HD - the orginal
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guys, that this up in the HD2 sectoin, this is for the Touch HD - the orginal
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I know just being polite, someone asks, why not answer, the thread is after all already here
I have changed from a Windows Phone hater, to a Lover. Still think Win Mobile was the most advanced mobile OS ever, but WP is fast getting it all back :good:
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I now really have to say, I take back what I said. I originally posted on here saying I hated WP7 and wanted to flash to WM6.5. but since, just b4 Mango. I changed my mind. And have loved being along for the ride towards the superphones WP8. Miss MyMobiler and would be nice if you could run WM6.5 in a virtual environment on an unlocked device. Then I could still play with what I suppose are now legacy apps or .cab's as we used to know um. phone and sms wouldn't need to be in the V-OS rom as WM wasn't originally made for it just drop um. And V-drives would just appear as the app size as far as wp7 thinks just a dream/idea. I know that wouldn't be easy. but if anyone fancied the challenge advantage is it would work on all WP7> handsets
Windows Phone 7.5 is good now. If you tried it at the beginning and was thinking it was the windows iPhone. Thank god it's not!! It is diff to WM6.x but worth getting used to
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I would still like to see wm6.5 ported over along with wp8 since technically we have an sd card and we can have nfc sim cards.
There is a windows mobile emulator to wp7
http://www.xda-developers.com/windows-mobile/windows-mobile-running-on-windows-phone-7/
and here is one that maybe can be ported: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=411154
I now really have to say, I take back what I said. I originally posted on here saying I hated WP7 and wanted to flash to WM6.5. but since, just b4 Mango. I changed my mind. And have loved being along for the ride towards the superphones WP8. Miss MyMobiler and would be nice if you could run WM6.5 in a virtual environment on an unlocked device. Then I could still play with what I suppose are now legacy apps or .cab's as we used to know um. phone and sms wouldn't need to be in the V-OS rom as WM wasn't originally made for it just drop um. And V-drives would just appear as the app size as far as wp7, Post above looks like what I mean. but can't be sure if true, or someone has made MyMobiler just remote desktop a WM6 device to WP7. will keep an eye out for the .Xap
Windows Phone 7.5 is good now. If you tried it at the beginning and was thinking it was the windows iPhone. Thank god it's not!! It is diff to WM6.x but worth getting used to
PS Please help me spared my Apple Hate Page on Facebook http://www.Facebook.com/AppleBull**** (Replace **** with "S H I T" Thank You)
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WP7 is a god send of an OS, I still use my WM oh my HD and ill come to that in a sec, but WP7 is actually very good, you do need to work with it for a while, but once you get used to it its amazing.
Now, WM 6.x is a beast of an OS, there is nothing out there quite like it, I believe in the next installment of MAGLDR they are looking to allow WM to be installed via magldr, this may open the way to allow SD/RAM builds of WM to run on a HD2 meaning, WP7, WM6.5 and android could all potentially be bootable at the same time
The differences between the HD2 and the HD7 are notable, its not a straight copy, unfortunately there is a big lack of intrest in WM so i would keep your eyes on android coming to the HD7, that will use something similar to MAGLDR and if thats the case you may find WM is installable as well.
DOnt hold your breath tho, we've been waiting for a new MAGLDR version for several months now and as i said, there are differences so there may well be serious driver related issues, which ironically is the stumbling block of WM! Had HTC and QC not shafted us with no driver support for the WM6.5 OS then it would actually be a modern day OS contender.
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Hi!
I know this question was probably asked here lots of times,
and I apologize in advance, because I still haven't found the answer to my question
I have an option to buy a practically mint condition HD2 from a friend (he got a Desire HD, lucky him, I don't the money), he can sell it to me cheaper.
He says he installed Android on it, but as an app, (I still have no idea what ROMs, Flashing and all that means) not as a self loading OS, and the phone is still running WM.
So the question being, is it really worth my while getting the phone, fiddling around with it, installing Android and/or WP7 (I heard that's possible) and losing on battery time?
Is the battery time the only problem affecting daily usage?
How difficult/risky is it to install android/wp7 on the HD2?
Or should I just get a simple android phone (desire, legend, wildfire etc...)?
The HD2 is a beast of a device, and as long as you read, flashing isn't really all that hard at all. May I suggest my guide in my signature?
The HD2 can indeed run Android and WP7 directly from NAND, and most Android builds on the HD2 are actually faster than "real" decicated Android devices.
Thanks,
The guide is very interesting,
but turns out I'm a bigger noob then I thought,
Where can I find a guide on the basics (what is NAND, ROMs, Flashing etc...)?
I'm a little reluctant to reply but I'll give it a go.
It's not difficult to flash a ROM but before you do anything you MUST READ THOROUGHLY about whatever it is that you are doing.
Firstly, it is possible to put Android onto an SD card and run it without making any changes to your phone. You have to boot into Win Mo then switch Android. When you re-boot the phone it will boot back to Win Mo. This is what this whole section of this forum is about. http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=735
If you want to change your phone permanently then you have to flash a ROM and it is the slightly risky element. READ all the ROM flashing guides here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=713977
You can also Flash Android to your phone so that it replaces Win Mo. This is what this whole section of this forum is about. http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=928
To put Win Phone 7 or Win Mobile 6.5 on your phone you have to flash it like an Android NAND ROM.
If you can buy it cheap, then yes go for it.
It's highly addictive and most of all very impressive device.
I wouldn't say that the battery is still an issue now since it lasts at least a full day and USB to charge is everywhere nowadays.
Like Bouncypete wrote you will have to read alot on the go.
The safest bet is to use the standard WinMo and start Android from the SD-card.
If you like that you can always go to a Nand version which replaces the actually WinMo version inside the HD2.
You can always go back to WinMO incase you don't like Android (or WP7) or warranty purposes.
Most Nand and probably other SD versions have a good tutorial in the thread itself on how to get it on the device, or there are the stickies.
We are also not un-human so if you need something do a search, read, read again and then ask. No person will shoot you if you have searched and don't know what to do.
Now if you don't like the HD2 you can probably resell it for the same price you bought it for.
TDB!
The HD2 is still the best pda on the market. For anybody who wants anything just a bit more than a phone/media player, windows mobile still has the the largest and most flexible range of apps with the most options. I'm booting winmo 6.5 with Android 2.2 running from sd and there's nothing I see on the market at the moment which could begin to tempt me away from it. All the preceding of course subject to the all embracing "IMHO"!
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The HD2 is still the best pda on the market. For anybody who wants anything just a bit more than a phone/media player, windows mobile still has the the largest and most flexible range of apps with the most options. I'm booting winmo 6.5 with Android 2.2 running from sd and there's nothing I see on the market at the moment which could begin to tempt me away from it. All the preceding of course subject to the all embracing "IMHO"!
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Indeed, the range of free and custom apps is what keeps me on WM. I have several preferred applications that I use. And I like the fact that there is (was) such a large developer community for the device. It encouraged innovation. I think there is less such activity when one is forced to deal with an "App" store that is monitored by the OS manufacturer.
OP,
Just make sure that you are indeed getting it for "cheap".
While the HD2 is a great device, it does not change the hard reality that it is an antique by today's tech standards.
You need to know how long your friend has owned the device, how much calls has been made on it.
I ask this because the longer he has owned the device, the greater your risk of having the physical buttons eventually fail on you. As much as I love my HD2, I am aware that the buttons will eventually fail. Please consider this.
Cheers.
just my 2c as the guyz above have given you tremendous input.
I have an option to buy a practically mint condition HD2 from a friend (he got a Desire HD, lucky him, I don't the money), he can sell it to me cheaper.
-> just check how "mint" the condition is. screen scratches, button usage (are they still springy or dull), etc.
He says he installed Android on it, but as an app, (I still have no idea what ROMs, Flashing and all that means) not as a self loading OS, and the phone is still running WM.
-> android is installed in the microsd of the phone. the hd2 is essentially still running windows 6.5 but you can launch android and use this as your os. the advantage being is if android crashes...and that's IF given the stability of the roms developed by the rom-Gods here....your phone is still fine as it was originally in windows. if you want to get android up and running again, you simply have to reformat your microsd and reinstall a new android build
So the question being, is it really worth my while getting the phone, fiddling around with it, installing Android and/or WP7 (I heard that's possible) and losing on battery time?
Is the battery time the only problem affecting daily usage?
-> battery life will probably be your first problem as you get into android. but as you go along, i would recommend that you "sample" the other roms and find out which one gives you the optimal results. the way you set up your phone is also vital. as i mentioned in another thread regarding battery usage, i'm quite pleased with my current set up. i normally unplug my unit from charging at around 10pm. in the morning when i get up, the battery shows 97% remaining. not bad considering that was an 8-hour standby and i'm also using live video wallpaper. again, it'll depend on the set up
How difficult/risky is it to install android/wp7 on the HD2?
-> installing android is EASY as everything is in the microsd. if you want to boot up via android then as the chaps recommended, you have to do further reading.
to answer your question, i would say yes it's worth getting the phone. the hd2 is an awesome device. it's a great way to get started if you want to have android or wm7 or other operating systems
some things to consider if you do decide to get the phone:
-upgrading the rom itself (the windows rom)
-upgrading the radio
although not essential to run android, upgrading these will definitely give you better stability when running the os. again, the guides are all there and the chaps are happy to help out.
With reading, the HD2 can be a very fun device. But if you have the mentality of unwilling to search, read, try out, then I'd say you should stay away from this phone. The HD2's isn't marketed to people who want something that just works, it's marketed to people who like to tweak, tinker, play around with or hack their phones.
So if you're unwilling to go read, understand, etc and just want something that works "perfect" out of the box, then I suggest you get a WP7 phone or iPhone.
Kailkti
You touched a nerve there, I'm currently using (or better say, being abused by) a Nokia 5800 with the latest firmware, and just 10 minutes ago, during a call it just froze up, wouldn't let me close the call, so I restarted it, and it took 3 minutes to connect to the network, what the hey?!
on one hand I love twinkering, but as long as stuff works, and gets better,
not twinkering for basic usability, which is kinda what's in store for me if take the HD2
regarding the condition of said phone, it was bought about a year ago, for my friend's father (being the largest screen available) and he never got around to use it much, just some skype calls from abroad, and a little of regular calls here and there
didn't leave the house much, so it's about as mint as they come.
price wise, how much does an HD2 cost nowadays?
Eugene_N said:
Kailkti
You touched a nerve there, I'm currently using (or better say, being abused by) a Nokia 5800 with the latest firmware, and just 10 minutes ago, during a call it just froze up, wouldn't let me close the call, so I restarted it, and it took 3 minutes to connect to the network, what the hey?!
on one hand I love twinkering, but as long as stuff works, and gets better,
not twinkering for basic usability, which is kinda what's in store for me if take the HD2
regarding the condition of said phone, it was bought about a year ago, for my friend's father (being the largest screen available) and he never got around to use it much, just some skype calls from abroad, and a little of regular calls here and there
didn't leave the house much, so it's about as mint as they come.
price wise, how much does an HD2 cost nowadays?
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New ones are between 450 and 500 on ebay. Used ones generally go around $300 - 350.
But be careful of those cheaper "New" ones on ebay: many of them are in fact replacement phones sent by the carrier as warranty fixes - and my be refurbished, not actually new.
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Asking price on CL here in the Bay Area is generally $200-$300.
I picked a pretty clean used one up Saturday for $150.
Got it running the unofficial CM7 nightlys now.
Bit of a learning curve but not bad.
I hadn't really touched anything but Nokia devices for several years.
Eugene_N said:
Kailkti
on one hand I love twinkering, but as long as stuff works, and gets better,
not twinkering for basic usability, which is kinda what's in store for me if take the HD2
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The HD2 running WinMo has been VERY stable and useful for me regardless of all the crap people say about WinMO. To me it sounds like the HD2 would be a good choice for you as you can tweak WinMo as much as you like and have Andriod on SD and play with that as well.
If you like to explore and tinker, then feel free to get this fun device. It can entertain you in many ways.
So, I got it for a trial run,
It's awesome!!!
So I'm using an SD Android, with some sense features, dunno what it's called. But it's a bit sluggish and the screen freezes up from time to time, used a more stockish SD Android before, worked better though
But the battery times are lousy, after 4-5 hours with WiFi on, without 3g (no dim inside) I have to recharge it,
Is it normal? Or is the battery dead?
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I've owned a number of devices over the last 8+years and the HD2 is the best so far.
I dropped my HD2 last year and had the option to sell the insurance replacement or keep it. I kept it.
I probably won't upgrade from my HD2 until there is a dual core phone on the market with both cores running at 1 Gig.
RAM ? I have plenty on the HD2, make it a LOT faster and I'll upgrade.
ROM ? Ditto.
Micro SD expansion ? Again, haven't used the whole 16Gb I have on this device.
What else is there ? Retina type display like on the iPhone (spit) ? Yes please.
HDMI Out ? I don't use HD content in that way preferring VLC or DLNA
Android ? Already doable but Android is still in beta, too, and it's still a bit rubbish
Is the HD2 worth it ? For me, the HD2 is the first fully converged device I've had and
it does everything I need it to do reliably, in a decently sized package without fuss.
@ eugene
If you're browsing the web, you can expect that amount of battery usage, especially if you're watch videos.
With normal use, and I mean say just about 2-4 hrs of on screen time, and the rest stanby, you can expect the battery to last two days.
buy it now!!!!!!!!!!!
I will add my two cents if i may...
terms ROM ( which can either be WM6.5, WM7 or Android)
HSPL ( a secondary boot-loader that should be flashed first to safeguards us noobs bricking our phones)
RADIO ( the software that talks to the hardware )
KERNEL ( don't know what this does as yet or how to upgrade it)
I bought mine only two weeks ago...
1. i read alot....from the HTC leo section
2. I flashed first MAGLDR v1.13 (HSPL) to safeguard against any major mishaps
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=10197474&postcount=1
3. and then flashed a NAND android rom ... this we not so smooth as the phone kept on rebooting without notice
4. I upgraded the radio to as xx.50.xx.xx
5. I downgraded again to WM6.5
6. then back up to a nand CMYLXGO's BlueTopia HD(2)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=916707
It is bascially that simple......run as smooth now as a baby's bottom
Hello
I have just broken my HTC HD2 trying to replace the USB port (accidentally sethered the ribbon cable going to the volume button putting it back together).
Ii was wandering if anyone knows any phone out there like the HD2 which can be hacked to update to the new WP8 when it comes out, or is as versatile at hacking as the HD2.
I am considering buying a new phone, but my main attraction of the HD2 is that i can hack it to update it to the latest install of my chosen OS (in this case WP7)
Are there any phones that can be hacked liked the HD2?
Thanks
Regards
Hello,
None that I know of.
The HD2 lacks a front camera IMHO, internal storage memory too (not the TMOUS version, but the 3G frequencies don't match the European needs unfortunately) and its processor's speed will look outdated sooner or later as compared to more recent devices, but all in all, it stays the best pocket PC ever having been designed, and yes, it's the only one to allow so many OSes swapping.
It may be both because of not being locked by the maker, and because a lot of people worked on the possibility to port other systems...
Anyway, it remains the only one up to now.
It may also have something to do with the fact that Windows Mobile users have always been people curious to experiment with their phones, while nowadays, WP7 users will just buy a WP7 device, and so on for Android, I don't know. Remember Windows Mobile seems not to have been so popular in the past, though having been a real pioneer, far, far before the iPhone was even a project, and it did gain some real fans, that were generally from a generation where a computer was used to program and experiment with (just have a look to my nickname )
It looks like some time has passed since then, and smartphones changed status, from swiss knife-like tools, to consumer products, thanks to makers and software editors policies, and thanks too to people changing phones twice a months.
I personnaly won't change mine for an empire, and I'm not ready to drop WM6.5.x. I bought several used HD2s from eBay, and if you really intend to keep the possibility to swap operating systems, you should do the same.
Otherwise, just buy a recent WP7 device : you'll still be able to upgrade anyway, as long as you keep up using WP7 of course.
Just keep in mind that devices, that run wp7, wont get wp8. They'll get wp7.8. But those are only official updates.
Developers can always port and mod
Sent from my NexusHD2 using XDA
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None that I know of.
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The TOSHIBA TG01 can run Windows Phone too. to let you know...:cyclops:
thanks Z80 man
I have a feeling someone will hack it to be able to use WP8, it just seems like if WP7 can be ported, then will WP8 be that much different?
If it cant be ported 100% then, as im using WP7 all the time now, it would seem that buying a new phone would be a good option! Just not sure i can let go of this amazing phone ive had for so many years!
Being able to switch OS's after WM6.5 and make various improvements etc etc makes it like having a new phone.
Looking at the toshiba phone suggested, it doesnt have any better specs than the HD2.
Shame that no phone like this will come about again!
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I have a feeling someone will hack it to be able to use WP8, it just seems like if WP7 can be ported, then will WP8 be that much different?
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I'm sure that not only the HD2 will be ported by enthousiasts, but most, if not all recent WP7 devices will be able to be ported to WP8, even if not officially.
Now it could depend on Microsoft's will to lock devices more and more to prevent that. And makers too, actually, as their goal is finally to sell new devices even if you don't need them !
Apart from that, did WP7 became so good ? It was lacking a lot of useful features when it was released...
Thanks, might have to wait and see what WP7 phones can be hacked to WP8
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Apart from that, did WP7 became so good ? It was lacking a lot of useful features when it was released...
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Yea, they released the 7.5 update and i really liked it. Searching is alot easier, and it has OCR for looking at game covers and searching them on the internet along with a music listener now, to tell you what song is playing, all built in.
These are just a few features, but i just like its simplicity, and the apps are decent enough and easier to use than the somewhat buggy ones on WM6.5.
I found issues with WM6.5 that really annoyed me, like two 'OK' button, one which means 'OK to exit the program' and one which means 'OK in the application or menu system.
I think it was a bit of a conflict between wm6.5 and the sense over the top.
But im pretty happy with the simplicity of the WP7, just easier to use, i have my favourite apps to check like the news etc.
And also, even with energy ROM it did crash allot. randomly switching off etc.
Didn't have any luck solving these issues so i tried WP7, and its pretty good!
If you like making apps etc, you can still put them on with XAP so its still pretty open to devs as far as i can tell.
ZTE Blade can also run wp7
http://wmpoweruser.com/windows-phon...&utm_campaign=Feed:+WmPowerUser+(WMPowerUser)