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Will the N1 be T-Mobile's Godsend?

Google always has plans. There has to be a reason they went with T-Mobile. Is T-Mobile going to get an overhaul, or just continue to be the carrier with the worst reputation? I think Google is going to completely rebuild the infrastructure. Does anyone have any theories or facts?

droiddrop said:
Google always has plans. There has to be a reason they went with T-Mobile. Is T-Mobile going to get an overhaul, or just continue to be the carrier with the worst reputation. I think Google is going to completely rebuild the infrastructure. Does anyone have any theories or facts?
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It's too early to say... but I don't think it's a coincidence that T-mobile implemented their Even More Plus plans a few months back. They are tailor-made for unsubsidized phones.

Maybe Google will just buy T-mobile USA

I too, am thinking it will become G-Mobile.

I'm just glad I got a next gen smartphone on T-Mobile finally.

"Carrier with the worst reputation"? I suppose you've misconstrued a lack of (excessive) marketing from T-Mobile as an indication of inferiority. It's a shame so many people actually believe AT&T and Verizon's advertisements.

SurrealNetworks said:
"Carrier with the worst reputation"? I suppose you've misconstrued a lack of (excessive) marketing from T-Mobile as an indication of inferiority. It's a shame so many people actually believe AT&T and Verizon's advertisements.
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I got a chuckle out of that one

SurrealNetworks said:
"Carrier with the worst reputation"? I suppose you've misconstrued a lack of (excessive) marketing from T-Mobile as an indication of inferiority. It's a shame so many people actually believe AT&T and Verizon's advertisements.
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I'm a 7 year T-mo customer and can't think of a single reason to switch for the foreseeable future... but I'm the first to admit their network isn't as wide as the other three national carriers. They have plenty of room to improve. Their customer service, however, is amazing.

Calm down, Napoleon, I can see your T-Mobile logo. Your bratty reponse and previous post speak volumes about the quality of your theory and debate. You claim the comment was meant to highlight the perception of the general public. If this is simply a perception then why would an "overhaul' be necessary? Please provide reference to the study that shows the "general public's opinion on wireless carriers". The general public's opinion is typically guided by marketing, but you already know that given how truly smart you are </sarcasm>
Instead of defending your post of ignorance, why don't you speak about your actual experience. If its good you can help to reverse these negative perceptions. If your experience is poor you can provide feedback about that experience, including the type of problems and areas that are affected. This will help other users to make an informed decision about their wireless provider. Here, I'll start by saying in the Midwest you'll be hard pressed to find a better carrier. Specifically I've experienced few, if any, dropped calls in the last several years. 3G speed has been exceptional; speeds ranging from 2-3mbps.

droiddrop said:
I too, am thinking it will become G-Mobile.
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I didn't think about that name. That's a perfect fit!

btmec said:
I didn't think about that name. That's a perfect fit!
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Pretty coincidental, eh?

g-mobile
I like that name, i have been with t-mobile ever since they where called voicestream. Never had a reason to change either. If/when Google ever acquires them that would be the biggest telecomm news ever. i would miss t-mobile, but then again bring on G-mobile. Maybe then we'll see true VOIP.

A theory I heard was that Google may/may not buy T-Mobile, but T-Mobile will become nothing but Google's data carrier and upgrades are due for 4G and more towers. No hard facts, just speculation, but it makes sense.

mikesm1234 said:
I like that name, i have been with t-mobile ever since they where called voicestream. Never had a reason to change either. If/when Google ever acquires them that would be the biggest telecomm news ever. i would miss t-mobile, but then again bring on G-mobile. Maybe then we'll see true VOIP.
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Voip should ideally be carrier independent. I don't think Google needs to be getting into the telecom business. They are great at what they do, and merging with a cellular phone carrier is way outside of the scope of that. Just my opinion.

Google is a business that does that business well. Look at all of the other unheard of products that they have bought up, re-manufactured and now are quite amazing. Grand Central - Google Voice, there are others. I think Google does not want be a cell provider, but completely revamp the way cell phones are used by employing VOIP/Google Voice technologies.

droiddrop said:
Google always has plans. There has to be a reason they went with T-Mobile. Is T-Mobile going to get an overhaul, or just continue to be the carrier with the worst reputation? I think Google is going to completely rebuild the infrastructure. Does anyone have any theories or facts?
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I went to 2 t-mobile stores today and the people that worked there didn't know **** about the N1's, the purchase options, the plan options, nothing. They were nice and I got my insurance, but dumb as ****, I knew more about the plans and phones then they did.

droiddrop said:
A theory I heard was that Google may/may not buy T-Mobile, but T-Mobile will become nothing but Google's data carrier and upgrades are due for 4G and more towers. No hard facts, just speculation, but it makes sense.
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T-Mobile USA has already said they will add a little more to their USA 3G coverage, but their focus is on 4G because they believe that is the true longer term future, and 3G is just a very expensive "short term" service that doesn't fit with their business model of low prices, top notch customer service, and economically sound coverage to match those low prices.
If you live in the SE, T-Mobile actually has the best coverage of any carrier for voice, and they have done a lot more for rural coverage than any other carrier can even hope to claim, yet alone back up.
As well, if T-Mobile were to jump in on the 3G hate war(they won't because they like seeing those other 2 go at it) they could point out AT&T is actually not forth right about having the fastest 3G, T-Mobile has the fastest 3G(both in terms of average market speed and peak market speed), but they also have the smallest footprint.

Anyone else worried that the N1s stuggles and the blame game going on in costumer service will spoil a Tmo/Google relationship ?
What if an N1 or N2 hits for Verizon and is a smash hit ?
for the record...by all accounts Tmos customer service is miles ahead of all the other carriers. The fact the service for N1 is so ****ty is squarely on Google...but I wonder if pissed off people are going to see it that way damaging Tmos already sensitive reputation.

May not make sense. . lol
Why doesn't Verizon just die already(Since they are just as expensive as at&t, but are locked down and limited in so many ways)? And at&t just man up and actually do some work to improve their phone line up(and service, 3G speeds are suffering because of a certain phone. . ) with something other then the 'assphone'. Seriously, it just ruins its reputation and line up, since they aren't focusing too much on anything else. I am a loyal at&t customer since 2002, but I might have to jump ship to T-Mobile because at&t has neglected the other side(Sure there are some other phones, but we still don't have any android devices, and most of the new WM devices are getting thrown at other carriers, plus the premium of the plans. . .).
If Google chose at&t, then it would be over shadowed by the iPhone, and I see that logic, but come on, we need some lovin' too.
But T-Mobile seems cool because of the "Even More" Plans since they are cheap, and they have some good phones lined up soon, and they don't solely rely on one phone to bring in the Benjamin Rolls(Toilet paper made out of 100 dollar bills).
My 2 cents.

Rumor: Sprint and T-Mobile may team up to complete 4G network

On paper, Sprint and T-Mobile seem like complete opposites: Sprint has 4G, T-Mobile has "4G speeds" with HSPA+; Sprint is CDMA, T-Mobile is GSM; Sprint is yellow, T-Mobile is magenta. Ok, maybe that last one is a bit of a stretch, but you get the point. Despite the glaring differences, a rumor has surfaced today stating that the two carriers may soon be in cahoots to finish building out Sprint's 4G network. Three people "familiar with the situation" have spoken to the Wall Street Journal, saying that Sprint's board of directors is considering allowing T-Mobile to invest in Clearwire, the company that is aiding Sprint with their WiMAX network (Sprint also owns 54 percent of Clearwire). Clearwire currently needs billions of dollars to finished expanding its 4G network, the WSJ says, and it needs to figure out if it will continue to soldier on alone or get some financial aid from T-Mobile. This isn't the first time we've heard the possibility of Sprint and T-Mobile teaming up and, if Clearwire and Sprint need as much cash as the WSJ says they do, it may not be the last time.
Although Sprint and T-Mobile could use each other to help bring the fight to AT&T and Verizon, I would be kind of surprised to the number three and four carriers come together. T-Mobile seems pretty invested in their HSPA+ network upgrades and, if they were to invest in WiMAX, their hot new HSPA+ phones would become kind of obsolete. It would, however, allow them to immediately have a 4G network available to some of its customers, so maybe the idea isn't so far-fetched. What do you think, readers? Will we soon be hearing about SprinT-Mobile?
source: http://www.phonedog.com/2010/09/03/rumor-sprint-and-t-mobile-may-team-up-to-complete-4g-network/

I'll believe it when I see it. Number three and number four? I agree with T being four in terms of network Sprint is #2 behind Verizon last I heard.
auau465121 said:
On paper, Sprint and T-Mobile seem like complete opposites: Sprint has 4G, T-Mobile has "4G speeds" with HSPA+; Sprint is CDMA, T-Mobile is GSM; Sprint is yellow, T-Mobile is magenta. Ok, maybe that last one is a bit of a stretch, but you get the point. Despite the glaring differences, a rumor has surfaced today stating that the two carriers may soon be in cahoots to finish building out Sprint's 4G network. Three people "familiar with the situation" have spoken to the Wall Street Journal, saying that Sprint's board of directors is considering allowing T-Mobile to invest in Clearwire, the company that is aiding Sprint with their WiMAX network (Sprint also owns 54 percent of Clearwire). Clearwire currently needs billions of dollars to finished expanding its 4G network, the WSJ says, and it needs to figure out if it will continue to soldier on alone or get some financial aid from T-Mobile. This isn't the first time we've heard the possibility of Sprint and T-Mobile teaming up and, if Clearwire and Sprint need as much cash as the WSJ says they do, it may not be the last time.
Although Sprint and T-Mobile could use each other to help bring the fight to AT&T and Verizon, I would be kind of surprised to the number three and four carriers come together. T-Mobile seems pretty invested in their HSPA+ network upgrades and, if they were to invest in WiMAX, their hot new HSPA+ phones would become kind of obsolete. It would, however, allow them to immediately have a 4G network available to some of its customers, so maybe the idea isn't so far-fetched. What do you think, readers? Will we soon be hearing about SprinT-Mobile?
source: http://www.phonedog.com/2010/09/03/rumor-sprint-and-t-mobile-may-team-up-to-complete-4g-network/
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Last I read, Sprint is moving forward with LTE purchases. That opens talks again with T.
T will not move to wimax.

Bielinsk said:
Last I read, Sprint is moving forward with LTE purchases. That opens talks again with T.
T will not move to wimax.
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I heard that too... but HSPA+ is not LTE and neither are technically 4G. i dont really consider wimax to to be 4G either thou.
"An IMT-Advanced cellular system must have target peak data rates of up to approximately 100 Mbit/s for high mobility such as mobile access and up to approximately 1 Gbit/s for low mobility such as nomadic/local wireless access, according to the ITU requirements. Scalable bandwidths up to at least 40 MHz should be provided."

I dont want a merger lol less competition equals more money from my pockets. There is plenty of competition right now though among the monthly plan companies keeping things low I guess.
Also it sounds like T-Mobile would be paying Sprint to help build 4G and T-Mobile would get in reward to use 4G. So... now we gotta share with T-Mobile. Also I bet if we start sharing we get capped. I mean currently 4G is uncapped mostly because there arnt a huge network of people using all of its resources.

twilk73 said:
I dont want a merger lol less competition equals more money from my pockets. There is plenty of competition right now though among the monthly plan companies keeping things low I guess.
Also it sounds like T-Mobile would be paying Sprint to help build 4G and T-Mobile would get in reward to use 4G. So... now we gotta share with T-Mobile. Also I bet if we start sharing we get capped. I mean currently 4G is uncapped mostly because there arnt a huge network of people using all of its resources.
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Not quite. The reason there aren't any worries with WiMax is because of the huge amounts of bandwidth Clearwire and Sprint have access to. The bandwidth combined with the shorter range of towers means that the network can handle a lot of people using the network at any given time. T-mobile is small enough, it shouldn't make a big enough difference. The bandwidth part won't change if they ever convert to LTE, so Clear and Sprint have the advantage right now due to having the only functioning 4G capable network and the ability to upgrade that network relatively effortlessly, and still have enough bandwidth to beat Verizon/everyone else.

I actually don't think this is a bad idea. If it would help expedite the expansion of the 4G network then onward and upward I say. For the amount of bandwidth that T-Mo would gain access to it would be a benefit to them. And maybe Sprint could get some pointers from T-Mo on customer service. Sprint has come a long way in that respect since we signed up, but I hear a lot of T customers swear by the service they get. All in all it sounds like it could have a win-win for both companies and the customers. Then again corporate America has an amazing penchant for screwing up what could otherwise be a good thing. I guess we'll have to wait and see.

Rumor has been going around for quite some time - today was hardly the first mention of this in the media...
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Pierceye said:
I actually don't think this is a bad idea. If it would help expedite the expansion of the 4G network then onward and upward I say. For the amount of bandwidth that T-Mo would gain access to it would be a benefit to them. And maybe Sprint could get some pointers from T-Mo on customer service. Sprint has come a long way in that respect since we signed up, but I hear a lot of T customers swear by the service they get. All in all it sounds like it could have a win-win for both companies and the customers. Then again corporate America has an amazing penchant for screwing up what could otherwise be a good thing. I guess we'll have to wait and see.
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You would be right.my brother had/has nothing but great things to say about tmobile cs.
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I wish they would team up so I could get my hands on a G2.

WiMax; "Not actually 4G", says ITU.

I could really give a crap. I'm actually thinking about moving closer to Cincinnati so I can take advantage of the 7+mbps download speed I got while at Kings Island yesterday and cancel my home internet service.
http://www.infoworld.com/d/mobilize/4g-defined-wimax-and-lte-dont-qualify-683

I wonder what they plan to do then with the 4G button on our phones? lol...
Now is the time ITU desiced to say who is 4G and whos not?? And the funny part is that the technology they call 4G is not even available...

The engineering purists have always said that Wimax and LTE are not properly called "4G." They get shouted down or ignored by the marketers who run the carriers. Much sexier to claim "4G" than to call it something more descriptive and precise.
It's all nomenclature. Too bad that words can't just mean something. What willl the marketers call the real 4G when it comes along in real-world networks?

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The engineering purists have always said that Wimax and LTE are not properly called "4G." They get shouted down or ignored by the marketers who run the carriers. Much sexier to claim "4G" than to call it something more descriptive and precise.
It's all nomenclature. Too bad that words can't just mean something. What willl the marketers call the real 4G when it comes along in real-world networks?
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I claim it be dubbed "faster than 3g but not quite yet 4g which won't come for another 4 years"..and i want that put on the back of my phone and replaced as the text of the 4g button..now!

The marketers will probably call it 5G
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Instead of confusing consumers with Clearwire/WIMAX, HSPA+, and LTE let the carriers call the tech 4G. Its better this way.
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They will call it 4.5g+ or something lol....but real 4g is available(wimax 2)...Samsung demonstrated real 4g in a convention..said it requires minor updates to current boxes, backwards compatible with wimax 1 and outputs 330mbps of delicious speeds...
so lets go over the facts:
1) its a minor upgrade that doesnt even require change to the towers only an addon to the box as long as the box is made by samsung
2) Sprint happens to use samsung for their stuff
3) It is backwards compatible and would give increased speeds even to wimax 1 devices
So if you haven't figured out why sprint isn't making it happen yet..well neither have they >.>

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They will call it 4.5g+ or something lol....but real 4g is available(wimax 2)...Samsung demonstrated real 4g in a convention..said it requires minor updates to current boxes, backwards compatible with wimax 1 and outputs 330mbps of delicious speeds...
so lets go over the facts:
1) its a minor upgrade that doesnt even require change to the towers only an addon to the box as long as the box is made by samsung
2) Sprint happens to use samsung for their stuff
3) It is backwards compatible and would give increased speeds even to wimax 1 devices
So if you haven't figured out why sprint isn't making it happen yet..well neither have they >.>
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I can easily think of two reasons:
1) If it is made by Samsung, it might not work as Samsung claims. (Sorry to sound cynical. I own an Epic.)
2) Sprint/Clearwire are already running out of capital just to complete the buildout of the Wimax "4G" network.

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I can easily think of two reasons:
1) If it is made by Samsung, it might not work as Samsung claims. (Sorry to sound cynical. I own an Epic.)
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Samsung is already powering providing the equipment and building out the network for sprint..whats an extra box gonna do >.>
2) Sprint/Clearwire are already running out of capital just to complete the buildout of the Wimax "4G" network.
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I don't know about you but at 330mbps connection id be willing to cancel my internet altogether and get the clearwire broadband...

gTen said:
Samsung is already powering providing the equipment and building out the network for sprint..whats an extra box gonna do >.>
I don't know about you but at 330mbps connection id be willing to cancel my internet altogether and get the clearwire broadband...
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I'd be willing to cancel my home internet with just 5mbps. I got 7mbps on 4G yesterday while at Kings Island..and I about ..wait for it..JIZZED..IN MY PANTS! Sorry, had to.

It's always bugged me that they call it 4G (and even moreso that T-Mobile is calling HSPA+ 4G), but I also understand that the average consumer is much too stupid to understand what a megabit is, much less distinguish between three different and rather complex technologies - if you don't boil it down to a stamp that reads "IT'S FASTER" on it, they won't buy it.

scriz said:
I'd be willing to cancel my home internet with just 5mbps. I got 7mbps on 4G yesterday while at Kings Island..and I about ..wait for it..JIZZED..IN MY PANTS! Sorry, had to.
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Im with you on this. I recently canceled my Fios at home since my 4G connection was faster on every speed test, both up and down, and 5 times more reliable. As long as I can tether my 4G to my computers, who needs home service!

Thoughts about Sprint going to LTE

I have some theories about why Sprint might be going to LTE. Qualcomm has integrated LTE into their newer Snapdragon chips.
Meaning:
1) No need for additional wimax chip
2) Possible better integration into OS, particularly if Google adds LTE to Android.
3) Possible seamless transitions to 4G/3G
4) Mfrs. will be making LTE phones for AT&T and Veirzon. Adding Wimax for Sprint will add to design/implementation/testing cost.
5) Verizon is doing the work for Voice (and text) over LTE, may be easier to piggyback off of that than to develop it for WiMax
6) LTE is already specified/tested for the 800 Mhz bandwidth that Sprint wants to deploy 4G on whereas Wimax is not

1, sprint rushed to be the industry first with 4g.
2, Clearwire didn't have a solid financial foundation and wont give up enough control for sprints liking so they wont move forward with clear.
3,Lightsquared might just give up enough rights to there LTE network to make it profitable for sprint to make the transition seamlessly as possible with a simple chip swap in there towers and software update in house to make the transition.
There are some Pro's too this for the end user.
1, cheaper handsets, to the public
2, better pricing from the carriers

umm in a nutshell signal at 800mhz travels further and penetrates better. network infrastructure for LTE and Wimax make it easy to switch. So if you can get similar speeds, with less LTE antennas and better penetration, I cant see any reason why Sprint wouldnt make the jump. Plus Clear aint looking to good lol

good read if you have the time to read everything there and the links shown too.
http://androidforums.com/sprint/272829-lte-vs-wimax-charges-control-data.html

Clear did a piss poor job of building out their 4g network. They were also hell bent on providing retail services to end consumers. Money was spent on providing retail services (retail employees, store front, etc) that could have been better spent on building the network.
My house doesn't get 4g, my subdivision is like an island surrounded by 4g. Just a few blocks away are a couple of apartment complexes, and there used to be a sign from Clear stating '10mb/s tested here' or something to that effect. So it almost seems like they were focused on building out a network in a way so their retail side could make more sales. The focused should have been building solid coverage. Right now 4g is too spotty and I rarely turn it on. It's only useful if you're stationary. This is in Houston, one of the first areas to get 4g.
This is all my opinion of course. I think this is why Sprint wants to build out their own lte network. Sprint wanted Clear to coordinate with Sprint on the buildout, clear wanted to do their own thing and had dreams of having a successful retail side. Now they're broke and wimax build out has slowed to a crawl.
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They'll probably allow the use of WIMAX AND LTE with the Kyocera Echo at the same time. WIMAX on top screen and LTE on the bottom one.

HondaCop said:
They'll probably allow the use of WIMAX AND LTE with the Kyocera Echo at the same time. WIMAX on top screen and LTE on the bottom one.
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Do we need to make another announcement announcing this announcement? Should we get Davd Blaine again or get the big guns? Maybe have Justin Bieber pull a rabbit out of his hair?

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Do we need to make another announcement announcing this announcement? Should we get Davd Blaine again or get the big guns? Maybe have Justin Bieber pull a rabbit out of his hair?
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That is not where he keeps the rabbits...

sgt. slaughter said:
good read if you have the time to read everything there and the links shown too.
http://androidforums.com/sprint/272829-lte-vs-wimax-charges-control-data.html
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Interesting stuff but no links or docs. Are we just supposed to take his anonymous word for it?
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good read if you have the time to read everything there and the links shown too.
http://androidforums.com/sprint/272829-lte-vs-wimax-charges-control-data.html
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This post is 100% B.S. Wimax and LTE are pure-IP networks and either can be controlled on a per-packet level if the operator chooses to do so.

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This post is 100% B.S. Wimax and LTE are pure-IP networks and either can be controlled on a per-packet level if the operator chooses to do so.
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Yes they "could" be controlled but the point the poster "RiverofIce" was saying is that it isn't allowed to be done with WiMax in the first place.
the third post has the doc links supporting the LTE policy's and how they will manage the traffic.

form that link.. (which i am the OP of)
you can see how the other carriers with lte are planning to make it a toll road of it... this is 100% going to happen on lte.
wimax .. is open.. full access and should not be limited... of course anything can be designed or created to limit it.
i would rather take my chances with a maybe.. than a 100% sure pocket robbery.

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Yes they "could" be controlled but the point the poster "RiverofIce" was saying is that it isn't allowed to be done with WiMax in the first place.
the third post has the doc links supporting the LTE policy's and how they will manage the traffic.
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What is the source for the claim that WiMax must be a neutral network? Who enforces this?
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LTE in and of itself is open as well. It's just that there are no rules governing putting in toll roads like on WiMAX. It's just like Android is in and of itself open-source, but others (HTC Sense, MIUI, etc) can and do create closed source iterations. Sprint going LTE doesn't preclude that they will put up toll roads.

hmmm net neutrality. Very controversial topic being debated on the hill with millions of dollars of lobbyist money. I'm more worried about where Justin bieber keeps his rabbit. Now thY
at would be an announcement show.

I'm no business genius but I propose a question.
What if Sprint is just letting Clear wither away for a while so it will be cheaper to buy them up and then do whatever the hell they want to with the network?
DISCLAIMER::: Do not take this as a rumor or start an argument over how I posted this without proof. This is just a thought for a discussion.

^^^
i have heard... sprint owns 51% of clear... so the already control it.

Dan330 said:
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i have heard... sprint owns 51% of clear... so the already control it.
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Yeah. It's just that officially, Sprint is a MVDO (equivalent of Cricket to Sprint) to Clear. Never understood how Sprint could be 51% owner, but yet have no direct control.

I think they should focus on making their 3G network a 3G network first, since right now, I'm pretty sure edge would beat what I get for 3G. :|

Hrshycro said:
I think they should focus on making their 3G network a 3G network first, since right now, I'm pretty sure edge would beat what I get for 3G. :|
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+9999999999 for sure.
Just ran a speed test on 3G. 148/381. Wtf.

>>>>AT&T Lies and they admit it! *READ*<<<<

So I just had a very long conversation with an AT&T rep. I asked him why is my "4G" soooo slow. He told me that my SIM card said I was using my Touch Pro 2 still, I checked myself on my account and I was clearly not. So then he said the my Unlimited Data plan didn't support AT&T's 4G plan (even though 3 Advisors said it did.
After that he told me that if I wanted 4G speeds I had to get a "4G" 2GB or 200MB data plan. So I said, "Well theres been many tests on Engadget and the XDA developers and that they all had slow speed." His reply was something like this, "You're reading off of forums and blogs, which aren't official statements and I would know more about this than they would."
I got into a heated argument about how T-Mobile had way faster HSPA+ speeds and how the iPhone 4's DL and UL speeds weren't capped. He told me that there has to be capped speeds so that everyone gets a fair share. So is iPhone 4 getting faster speeds while Android phones get capped fair? F**k no.
I told him that If this Bullsh*t doesn't get fixed by the end of may, I'm switching to Verizon, where 4G really means 4G and not sub-3G.
He finally said that the speeds have been capped because they want to push more people to the iPhone 4, which can draw in more revenue.
>>I will call them again and record it. That is if people want me to.

Yes, please call back and record a CS person saying that speeds are capped because of the reasons you posted.
After that, I... might.. believe you.

wirednix said:
Yes, please call back and record a CS person saying that speeds are capped because of the reasons you posted.
After that, I... might.. believe you.
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LOL. You must be on AT&T side. Ill have to call bad later this week.

Ouch.. That sucks... I recently switched from AT&T to T-Mobile and the speeds are a lot better... I really hope the whole merge doesn't go through...
In my prior experience with AT&T, 3G speeds were great until everyone started using an iPhone, then their network became saturated...It's to bad they don't care about their customers and the speed as much as they do their revenue..

Chubby_Skunk said:
LOL. You must be on AT&T side. Ill have to call bad later this week.
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I'm on the side of reason.
But I'll let you be now. I forget about the "do not feed" rule sometimes.

brenix said:
Ouch.. That sucks... I recently switched from AT&T to T-Mobile and the speeds are a lot better... I really hope the whole merge doesn't go through...
In my prior experience with AT&T, 3G speeds were great until everyone started using an iPhone, then their network became saturated...It's to bad they don't care about their customers and the speed as much as they do their revenue..
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Wow you understand. I hope the deal doesn't go through. If it doesn't then Im going to T-Mobile for the better speeds and the waaaaaaaay better customer support. AT&T = Evil Empire

wirednix said:
I'm on the side of reason.
But I'll let you be now. I forget about the "do not feed" rule sometimes.
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What? But everyone knows AT&T lies. Im going to call again and see what they say. Ill record it with my camera (I don't trust call recorders on phones) and put it up.

What a waste of space. Ever phone company lies, its the way it is. If you do not like what ATT offers, move on.

sifon187 said:
What a waste of space. Ever phone company lies, its the way it is. If you do not like what ATT offers, move on.
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If HSUPA or HSPA+ doesn't get enabled soon im either going to verizon with LTE and actually coverage or T-Mobile where you get what you paid for. AT&T screwed all of us, including you.

Some areas still do not have 3g, let alone 4g. I bought mine off contract, so I did not pay for 4g.

Yea... i really don't think the guy you spoke with has any idea wtf he's talking about.
"the speeds have been capped because they want to push more people to the iPhone 4, which can draw in more revenue."
Mmhmm... now let's look at the completely idiotic sounding literal version of that if we include information that we already know.
"The speeds have been capped on the Atrix and Inspire in order to push more people to buy iPhones, even though other non-4G-capable Android phones are capable of the same 3G speeds as the iPhones are. We are also not publicly stating that the iPhone is capable of faster data rates at this time in hopes that the iPhone might be their next choice if they buy a 4G-capable phone and are dissatisfied with the service."
... see what i'm getting at here?

sifon187 said:
Some areas still do not have 3g, let alone 4g. I bought mine off contract, so I did not pay for 4g.
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Well nether did I. I just kept the Unlimited data that ive had for the past 2 years

elementaldragon said:
Yea... i really don't think the guy you spoke with has any idea wtf he's talking about.
"the speeds have been capped because they want to push more people to the iPhone 4, which can draw in more revenue."
Mmhmm... now let's look at the completely idiotic sounding literal version of that if we include information that we already know.
"The speeds have been capped on the Atrix and Inspire in order to push more people to buy iPhones, even though other non-4G-capable Android phones are capable of the same 3G speeds as the iPhones are. We are also not publicly stating that the iPhone is capable of faster data rates at this time in hopes that the iPhone might be their next choice if they buy a 4G-capable phone and are dissatisfied with the service."
... see what i'm getting at here?
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Yeah, thats why im going to call them again.

Chubby_Skunk said:
LOL. You must be on AT&T side. Ill have to call bad later this week.
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When j bought my atrix an instore rep told me that 2
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I talked to AT&T yesterday to ask about HSPA+ backhaul timeframe. They said they won't give a date so they aren't giving out bad information. I pointed out that AT&T said on Facebook it would be ready for Atrix and Inspire users by mid April, and the rep said that was bad information. LOL so they learned their lesson that since they can't keep promises, might as well not make any? Weak.

Chubby_Skunk said:
So I just had a very long conversation with an AT&T rep. I asked him why is my "4G" soooo slow. He told me that my SIM card said I was using my Touch Pro 2 still, I checked myself on my account and I was clearly not. So then he said the my Unlimited Data plan didn't support AT&T's 4G plan (even though 3 Advisors said it did.
After that he told me that if I wanted 4G speeds I had to get a "4G" 2GB or 200MB data plan. So I said, "Well theres been many tests on Engadget and the XDA developers and that they all had slow speed." His reply was something like this, "You're reading off of forums and blogs, which aren't official statements and I would know more about this than they would."
I got into a heated argument about how T-Mobile had way faster HSPA+ speeds and how the iPhone 4's DL and UL speeds weren't capped. He told me that there has to be capped speeds so that everyone gets a fair share. So is iPhone 4 getting faster speeds while Android phones get capped fair? F**k no.
I told him that If this Bullsh*t doesn't get fixed by the end of may, I'm switching to Verizon, where 4G really means 4G and not sub-3G.
He finally said that the speeds have been capped because they want to push more people to the iPhone 4, which can draw in more revenue.
>>I will call them again and record it. That is if people want me to.
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Dude I've had the same EXACT conversation with these BS reps (save for the last part when they admit to capping).
AHHH ---- I filed a complaint with the BBB.

I feel bad for those reps...to them its just a job, they are paid to read scripts, not dig up corporate corruption. It's like calling up the fry cook at McDonalds and asking him why your hamburger is not 100% real meat. He doesn't know, he just cooks it. If you want to talk to someone about the capping, call Ralph De La Vega's office.

Damn, this guy has 45 post and all are at&t hate. Nobody in care would ever tell you that because for one thing, it's not true, and two they would easily lose their job by saying anything like that, and because every interaction is recorded and documented on your account, they would be fired quickly. The reason HSUPA isn't enable is because android is very finicky with HSUPA. With the captivate, for example, you could change a modem file and get HSUPA, but it would normally knock out Bluetooth, or call quality. They're working to fix this, it's already in testing, so you should have your fix very soon. Also, what's your beef with the T-mo buyout? Better coverage, lower prices? Seems to be a win win for me. Either way, you can't really stop it, so just go to Verizon, get your Thunderbolt which is 1/2 as powerful with 1/4 the battery and twice the bill. Enjoy your 12mb/s (in only about 40 cities) while I'll enjoy my plenty fast 5-8mb/s when the back-haul to the towers is all complete (which in my area is the end of this month). Oh no, it actually takes time for a company to push out a nation wide roll out! Amazing that they can't just nod their head and it be done. My rant is done, but can somebody ban this hate spewer?
OH! and when you call, get the agent's UID and post it. I'll follow up with them to confirm your false statements are false.

link12245 said:
The reason HSUPA isn't enable is because android is very finicky with HSUPA. With the captivate, for example, you could change a modem file and get HSUPA, but it would normally knock out Bluetooth, or call quality.
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Wow, what a load. Tons of other Android phones around the world, not to mention Galaxy S variants with the same core hardware, are using HSUPA without issue.

haloimplant said:
Wow, what a load. Tons of other Android phones around the world, not to mention Galaxy S variants with the same core hardware, are using HSUPA without issue.
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exactly. the only time HSUPA broke bluetooth was when you used i9000 kernel/modem together with an i897 rom. its something specific to ATT's crappy network that caused the issues.