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Hey all,
I have a question.
I have been playing with my 8125 a lot lately and am constantly resetting my device. What I want to know is I have one main machine that I do all my application installs via active sync that way when I hard reset my device I just have to go to add remove programs in active sync and re-check all the programs I want to put back on my phone.
Here is what I want.
I don’t want to have to tell the phone where to install the applications (I want it to default to storage card without any prompts.) and.. I don’t want any confirmation prompts ie: security unsigned, approve this application to be installed, this application was installed properly… etc.. I want to streamline the process so I can just tick the check boxes for my apps, let them download and that’s it. Currently after refreshing I have to spend quite a bit of time clicking “ok” … storage card…. Ok… storage card… ok… I think you get it.
Thanks much!

I've seen a lot of different reg keys out there that may accomplis this. Is there a way to disable the notifications and pre-set the install path peramaters?

sledwrecker said:
I've seen a lot of different reg keys out there that may accomplis this. Is there a way to disable the notifications and pre-set the install path peramaters?
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You can do this with WinCE Cab manager

If you really reset your device that often why don't you use SPB BACKUP? A reinstallation of all your apps wouldn't be necessary - just load your backup and you're ready to go!

Ya I did think of that but here is my issue.
the reason I am constantly hard reseting is because I am changing and playing with roms pretty much on a daily basis. I've been cooking my own roms trying to come up with what works best for me and what is closest to RTM. Thus why I am always re-installing apps.
So if I use SPB backup (which I have) it saves system settings and such right? So if I am switching roms all the time will it break my device?
Thanks guys! I'm new to the forum here I just got my first PPC phone a couple weeks ago but I've been an avid windows mobile (smartphone) user for years and have worked on WM platforms as beta tester.
Gotta love this stuff!!!

sledwrecker said:
So if I use SPB backup (which I have) it saves system settings and such right? So if I am switching roms all the time will it break my device?
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Yes you are exactly right, and so many people seem to miss this... Spb Backup, Sprite Backup, etc are full backups that backup and restore the registry and all. If you restore this from one rom to a different rom you are likely to break something (may not be obvious at first, but you have a very good chance of things being broken inside the registry that you will trip up on at some point).
So yeah, the only way around this (without building your own extended rom and such) is to create a folder (or set of folders) on your SD card with all the cabs, files, and settings that you need for when your flash a new rom. Then run through that to set things up. You can also use ActiveSync to reinstall apps (just check them all and it will put them all back on) but you have to remember which ones (if any) require a reset of your device as that can cause probs with the others that are installing (if all done together).

Yep,
but at least you can import contacts, email and pim data that way quite easy!
Since you continiously flash your device: there will be no other solution but reinstalling your applications again and again. You might want to look around for a CAB extractor and then create your own CABs with all the progs you would like to have in one large CAB ???
One such CAB Installer Creator is: WinCE CAB Manager
Take a closer look at MolskiBiz_DevPack and you will find a utility to extract CAB files. It will be a bit work to add all the registry values to the Installer you're going to create but finally you might save a lot of time since you only run 1 installation instead of xxx ...

This is good, I have been playing with wince cab and it is a solution.
Now I'm going to work on making my extended roms.. will this work? I did a full recover of my apps through active sync just an hour or two ago and it reported total size of all cabs as just over 112megs. That means I'd be flashing a MONSTER rom and would it even be possible?
2gig mini SD card.
thanks

I tried before to add some apps (cab installers) to a personalized extended rom but it never worked the way I wanted it to. You might have seen that you always have to give some inputs when ever you install programs, sometimes you get ask if you really want to install the app, sometimes you need to choose a location. So, if you add CAB installers UNCHANGED to the extended ROM it just won't install because during extended rom installation you have no way of providing that information.

Possible to Upgrade ROM's Without Losing all Settings and Data?

I am currently running the Elegancia 2.5 ROM, but I thought this might be a more general question about ROM's so I wanted to post it here.
I started with the Elegancia 2.0 and upon upgrading to the 2.5, I had to reinstall all my cabs (I save them to a specific folder on my SD card thankfully) and redo all my settings over again. Now that there is a 3.0 version out, I would like to upgrade that as well. However since there are so many settings and cabs that I have now changed and installed, I'd prefer not to go through and do it all again.
Is this possible or is it just the nature of the upgrades that require you to change and redo it all again?
Thanks

its my understanding that flashing erases everything except for the occasional system file left over from the previous ROM... my guess would be no... backup everything and reinstall... at max it'll only take a half hour to reinstall everything..

No way to change ROM's without losing all data...best thing for you to do is use an autoinstall program to resetup your device after a new flash....

mgioia2 said:
No way to change ROM's without losing all data...best thing for you to do is use an autoinstall program to resetup your device after a new flash....
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Hi, could you explain little bit more about the autoinstall program ? how does it work?

try xda_uc, google it. basically, you create a folder called xda_uc on your storage card, and when you first bootup, all the .cabs you add to the folder are installed in the background, and require no input from you. however, you need to find a rom that supports xda_uc. I use energyrom.

Isn't there any program like itunes for example for iPhone which backups and restores every setting. Any thought friends
Thanks

try spb backup...but it wont auto install everything back, but you do get to do some set up if you want as to what to restore.

Flashing new ROMs and Applications

So I flashed Energy ROM not too long ago and I had to back up a number of applications on my phone to my SD card before I did it. Knowing that I might flash newer ROMs as they come along, I figured that I might as well keep everything on my SD card permanently. The only problem with this is that WM doesn't know it's installed. That is to say that whenever I update an application, the device treats it like a new installation and doesn't ask me if I want to uninstall the old version first. Secondly, certain applications (like most of Astraware's games) don't appear to be happy opening unless they're installed properly (I assume it's expecting certain registry keys to be there).
So what have most of the ROM flashers on this forum done to make sure all of their applications are working right immediately after a new flash?

SlyMaelstrom said:
So I flashed Energy ROM not too long ago and I had to back up a number of applications on my phone to my SD card before I did it. Knowing that I might flash newer ROMs as they come along, I figured that I might as well keep everything on my SD card permanently. The only problem with this is that WM doesn't know it's installed. That is to say that whenever I update an application, the device treats it like a new installation and doesn't ask me if I want to uninstall the old version first. Secondly, certain applications (like most of Astraware's games) don't appear to be happy opening unless they're installed properly (I assume it's expecting certain registry keys to be there).
So what have most of the ROM flashers on this forum done to make sure all of their applications are working right immediately after a new flash?
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If you flash a ROM, you have to reinstall all the applications. Some of the ROMS will automatically install your cab files if you set it up. WM has to update the registry for each program, and the details may be different for each ROM, and for each time a particular ROM changes versions. So, yes, you ARE doing a new install.

stevedebi said:
If you flash a ROM, you have to reinstall all the applications. Some of the ROMS will automatically install your cab files if you set it up. WM has to update the registry for each program, and the details may be different for each ROM, and for each time a particular ROM changes versions. So, yes, you ARE doing a new install.
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But really isn't it silly to do all of that work?
Surely there is something you can change in Windows Mobile that will tell it a specific application is installed on the device. For the registry keys, I can simply write a Mortscript that adds and updates the keys for all of the applications I typically want on the device. If I add an application, I just add its keys to the script. Ideally, I'd just like to run this script every time I flash a new ROM and have all of the dependencies set up automatically. I'm not sure, however, what I need to edit in order to make the operating system thing an application is installed (basically it appears on the "Remove Applications" list)

Yuu need something like this then [UC]XDA_UC Autoconfiguration User To User Thread[23-06-2009]
You should take note that I'm not sure if that's the latest version. But if you throw all your cabs in the XDA_UC folder and follow the instructions of the thread there you'll have it installing ALL your aps automatically when you flash a new rom

Aaron McCarthy said:
Yuu need something like this then [UC]XDA_UC Autoconfiguration User To User Thread[23-06-2009]
You should take note that I'm not sure if that's the latest version. But if you throw all your cabs in the XDA_UC folder and follow the instructions of the thread there you'll have it installing ALL your aps automatically when you flash a new rom
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I believe that the ROM has to support this feature. So far as I know my ROM (NRG) does not, for example. But if it is supported it is great.

SlyMaelstrom said:
But really isn't it silly to do all of that work?
Surely there is something you can change in Windows Mobile that will tell it a specific application is installed on the device. For the registry keys, I can simply write a Mortscript that adds and updates the keys for all of the applications I typically want on the device. If I add an application, I just add its keys to the script. Ideally, I'd just like to run this script every time I flash a new ROM and have all of the dependencies set up automatically. I'm not sure, however, what I need to edit in order to make the operating system thing an application is installed (basically it appears on the "Remove Applications" list)
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Well, I actually don't plan to be changing ROMs all that often. So far the latest NRG ROM is working well for me.
Yes, it is a lot of work, but I have all my .cab files in a single directory. So installing them is not that hard. My experience is that this method (or one of the auto install methods) provides the highest possibility of a stable WM environment.
I believe that you could probably create a script to put in the registry entries, but what if the ROM version has changed locations in the registry? Anyway, if you DO develop such a script, be sure and post the results on the forums!

the latest NRG roms do support this.

Aaron McCarthy said:
the latest NRG roms do support this.
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Ah, good to know, maybe I'll give it a try. Although I actually prefer to watch each step...

Sashimihis?
Have you tried this? Sashimi
Youtube Demo
edit: Sorry for the wrong name in the title, but it won't let me edit that...(my keyboard went nuts..)
-Sblindheim

HD2 certificate/component problem

Up until a few days ago, my HD2 was working fine. Then I tried to install Android. I used the one that you just copy to the storage card and run a file called zharet.exe ( !!NOT HARET.EXE!! ). I think it was Cotulla's ROM. First time, it crashed. Second time, meaning after I installed Radio ROM version 2.12, which is required (more specifically, 2.08 or above is required, but 2.12 was easier to find), it started and installed, then rebooted. Third time it worked and was able to send a text message to my stepfather. I switched back to WinMO to ask him if it got there, then I started Android again. It crashed, sending me to the boot screen of WinMO. Upon this start I was no longer able to run many files (executables), the running of which resulted in the message "The File *PROGRAM NAME* cannot be opened. Either it is not signed with a trusted certificate, or one of its components cannot be found. If the problem persists, try reinstalling or restoring this file."
I have tried numerous fixes:
Soft reset
Reinstalling the applications
Seeing if .NET Compact Framework was installed; the phone claimed it was, but I couldn't find any trace of it and so I tried to reinstall it. I was not able to, so I "uninstalled" it from the phone, which still thought it had it; the operation took no time, so I doubt it was there in the first place. When I tried installing it to the phone again, it said that this version was already in the ROM. Also tried installing an older version of the CF, but it just said I had a newer version.
Switching memory cards (3 different ones)
Renaming the memory card and restarting, a fix recommended to some other people who had a problem with similar symptoms. It refused to cooperate and said that the memory card could not be renamed.
My next step will be to rename the memory card using a device other than the phone itself.
I don't want to hard reset as I wish to keep my messages and contacts, but if that's what is needed to "un-half-brick" this phone, I will of course do it. The way it acts now, I might as well have kept my n95.
It is worth noting that HardSPL should be installed, as it was required for the Radio ROM flash.
EDIT: HardSPL install IS verified, boot screen reads as follows:
PB81100 HX-BC
SPL-1.42.HSPL XE
0x05
CotullaHSPL 0x30
In this thread, Gargoyle999 is describing my exact problem: forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?p=1882858
Keep in mind that this phone is Norwegian with Telenor as its carrier, although the phone itself is not locked and capable of using any carrier.
EDIT: The files that may not be run are mostly third-party ones, like MorphGear, zharet, Google Maps and so on. Most programs that came with the phone, like Copilot, Footprints and Opera work.
I am not too familiar with XDA, so forgive me if I am posting in the wrong section or making some other rookie mistake xD

I am having the same issued on one of my HD2's...anyone??? Help!!!!

This is NOT and android problem.
I'm not exactly sure, but it's a security measure in WinMo that disallows unsigned programs from running after the system has crashed due to those programs running, probably to protect the system from malicious programs.
All you need to do is disable security on it. There are various thread on this site in different places that tell you how to. Personally, I found the mobile security configurations manager(windows) is the best way. Just plug in your phone in WinMo, using activesync, open the program, and load device. Then you can just select no security, and provision it. It'll overwrite all the proper registery settings and whatnot for you.
Also, GOOGLE IT. I found all this information myself just by searching "Either it is not signed with a trusted certificate, or one of its components cannot be found. If the problem persists, try reinstalling or restoring this file" +windows mobile 6.5

Yes, yes Google it...I understand...But guess what? I did and found the same utility. And guess what? I got another error when it tries to install a cab file on the phone and for whatever reason the cab file errors out...I came here after reading and trying a ton of stuff and happened upon the OP's topic today.
Another thing is I realize it may not be an Android specific problem BUT prior to installing the mattcfroyo build and then attempting to test another build I didn't have any issue installing a cab file from the SD card. Also before anyone offers about installing another SD card I tried that also and no haps.
Weird and I am still searching for a solution but again XDA is the spot and researching here has not provided me with a working solution as of now....sssooooo...HELP!? Or not...

lstrike said:
Yes, yes Google it...I understand...But guess what? I did and found the same utility. And guess what? I got another error when it tries to install a cab file on the phone and for whatever reason the cab file errors out...I came here after reading and trying a ton of stuff and happened upon the OP's topic today.
Another thing is I realize it may not be an Android specific problem BUT prior to installing the mattcfroyo build and then attempting to test another build I didn't have any issue installing a cab file from the SD card. Also before anyone offers about installing another SD card I tried that also and no haps.
Weird and I am still searching for a solution but again XDA is the spot and researching here has not provided me with a working solution as of now....sssooooo...HELP!? Or not...
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Look up all of the google registry fixes, and try every single one of them.
If none of them work and the program I recommended doesn't work, backup and hard-reset.
then, when it's done first thing use that program to disable security.
Also, most custom ROMs have security disabled by default.

Well I just went ahead and flashed a new rom and I am good to go...

I have tried your application. Got the same results as lstrike, error when installing CAB file. Also, how am I supposed to edit the registry when I can't run third party programs?

Will flash Miri's ROM soon. Any idea of whether or not that one has security disabled by default?

sigh i got the exact same problem after trying to run andriod.... any luck?

same problem here, did anyone face the problem then resolve it?

I found the solution !
When the error appears just go to marketplace, download the free version of Resco Explorer
(Resco was the first official registry app I found but if there's another in marketplace i guess it will do just fine)
After this open Resco Registry (included in Resco File Explorer) and go to
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Security\Policies\Policies
Then go to 0000101a and change DWORD Data value to 1
Now every thing is perfect and you can open all of your apps
Good luck !

Thank you, this solution saved my day!
Rat01 said:
When the error appears just go to marketplace, download the free version of Resco Explorer
(Resco was the first official registry app I found but if there's another in marketplace i guess it will do just fine)
After this open Resco Registry (included in Resco File Explorer) and go to
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Security\Policies\Policies
Then go to 0000101a and change DWORD Data value to 1
Now every thing is perfect and you can open all of your apps
Good luck !
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Excellent! great work, thank you!

Rat01 said:
When the error appears just go to marketplace, download the free version of Resco Explorer
(Resco was the first official registry app I found but if there's another in marketplace i guess it will do just fine)
After this open Resco Registry (included in Resco File Explorer) and go to
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Security\Policies\Policies
Then go to 0000101a and change DWORD Data value to 1
Now every thing is perfect and you can open all of your apps
Good luck !
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Thank you!

Not Enough Memory

i've been having loads of issues since upgrading to the new stock ROM (3.14.405.2), everytime i try to open skyfire or send an MMS it gives and error saying 'not eneough memory, free up some memory and try again' i keep checking the task manager and there aren't any other apps working. the photo tab on manila hangs almost all the time as well. have tried removing CHT 2.0 but that didn't help at all...infact without CHT it dosent even seem like the same phone it.
i did a full restore using spb...not sure if that had anything to do with it.

clean up and move cache folders as described in tips and tricks thread

SreePillai said:
i've been having loads of issues since upgrading to the new stock ROM (3.14.405.2)....
i did a full restore using spb...not sure if that had anything to do with it.
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Yes, the restore is the problem. After a ROM upgrade you can only bring your documents, contacts and calender - if you try to bring the old system files & registry as well you will have only trouble. Hard reset and start from scratch.

SreePillai said:
i've been having loads of issues since upgrading to the new stock ROM (3.14.405.2), everytime i try to open skyfire or send an MMS it gives and error saying 'not eneough memory, free up some memory and try again' i keep checking the task manager and there aren't any other apps working. the photo tab on manila hangs almost all the time as well. have tried removing CHT 2.0 but that didn't help at all...infact without CHT it dosent even seem like the same phone it.
i did a full restore using spb...not sure if that had anything to do with it.
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Thanks. I think it's not a good idea for me to upgrade to stock rom now. I am using sprite backup on 1.48.xxxx wwe rom and I am quite happy with that rom with htc updates installed manually on the device.
May be you have already tried that but if you would use sprite backup then there is an option of merge level 1 in restore options of sprite backup which will try to restore your backup to a new rom from an old rom backup (as in your case). I don't know that such option exist in spb backup as I don't use that program.
If you haven't tried it yet you may do so and I am not the promoter of sprite backup as some ppl. may take me wrong. It was just my 2 cent advice.
Thanks again.