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Is it true about the wireless?

Is it really true that in order to use wifi on the xoom you have to have some kind of plan with verizon?
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Unless Motorola or Verizon officially say it was a misprint... yeah.

magicdroid said:
Unless Motorola or Verizon officially say it was a misprint... yeah.
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It's not true. Best Buy will not sell the device without activating it with month to month data before you leave the store. There isn't a way for VZW or BB to lock out the WiFi if 3G data isn't activated, they just won't sell the device unactivated. You can cancel month to month data at any time, since there's no contract. There are a lot of misconceptions and misunderstanding around data plans. Since there's no subsidy on the device (if the leaked BB ad pricing is true) there's no contract.

dwboston said:
It's not true. Best Buy will not sell the device without activating it with month to month data before you leave the store. There isn't a way for VZW or BB to lock out the WiFi if 3G data isn't activated, they just won't sell the device unactivated. You can cancel month to month data at any time, since there's no contract. There are a lot of misconceptions and misunderstanding around data plans. Since there's no subsidy on the device (if the leaked BB ad pricing is true) there's no contract.
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I really wish that Motorola would actually come out and refute this information, if it is, in fact, misinformation gone viral. I think that Best Buy ad has done a great deal of damage to the potential success of this tablet.

Xevilious said:
I really wish that Motorola would actually come out and refute this information, if it is, in fact, misinformation gone viral. I think that Best Buy ad has done a great deal of damage to the potential success of this tablet.
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It makes me think that even if I somehow magically get the money that I may or may not get one... also is anyone else surprised that Verizon of all places is getting such an awesome tablet.

"Confirmed"
http://www.droid-life.com/2011/02/1...1-month-data-package-required-to-unlock-wifi/
Note I still think this isn't the right ad.

So sad!
It's like castrating your horse the morning before the big race.

We’re assuming that you can cancel immediately after and enjoy the device with just WiFi, but you’ll shell out an extra $20 on day 1
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I wish someone could confirm this bc if it is true then it might be put back on my Christmas wishlist.

vamp6x6x6x said:
I wish someone could confirm this bc if it is true then it might be put back on my Christmas wishlist.
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I don't see why this wouldn't be true. Its the same way with the Verizon Galaxy Tab at Best Buy. As I was purchasing mines back in November the Sales rep told me I could cancel the plan as soon as I walked out the store.
Hell, now that I think about it I purchased another Verizon Galaxy Tab for my brother for his Christmas gift (also from Best Buy) and didn't have to activate it.

I say the activation is NOT required. There's a post somewhere in this Xoom forum where a "self claimed" MOTO tester said that they skip activation all the time and have no issues with WiFi.
I personally think that the activation "fine print" is there for the 3G/4G tethering option they are advertising with the Xoom... basically, no activation, no tethering...
You were never required to activate the Galaxy Tab on purchase, but you couldn't bypass the activation without doing a Google search and doing the "Up/Down, Up/Down, ... " method to bypass the activation screen.
I call BS on the activation requirement, but I do think the $799 cost is true... <sigh>

Christmas wishlist? Do you mean Christmas December 2011?
By then, there will be a whole lot more Android Honeycomb devices.
Maybe Android Ice Cream Sandwich!
Wifi only ... and for sure the price will go down a lot.
To be honest, I don't think it is the right time to buy gadget during Christmas, because it is way too close to "CES" on January. Which you will droll on the new product announcement.
vamp6x6x6x said:
I wish someone could confirm this bc if it is true then it might be put back on my Christmas wishlist.
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Here is my question about the activation. Assuming it's not something on the tablet, and just that they wont let you out of the door without activating it. If you cancel it 20 minutes later when you get home, without using any data.. will you get charged? 2 Year contracts have a grace period IIRC.. why not month to month.

Yay! You can find the cached versions of BestBuy.com's Xoom launch site on Google.
Assuming the price was temporary and it really is $799, I found 2 things interesting.
For one, the main Xoom intro site (found here) says:
Compatible with Wi-Fi networks*
*1 month data activation required.
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Confirming a data plan is required.
However, on the actual device page (found here) it doesn't say that, it simply says :
Built-in 2.4GHz and 5.0GHz Wi-Fi (802.11b/g/n)
Connect to the Internet without wires.
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And for a contract/internet it says:
Embedded 3G mobile broadband technology with EVDO Rev A
Keeps you connected. Upgradeable to 4G LTE. (Wireless service contract required; sold separately. Check with carrier for coverage area and availability in your area.)
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Anyhow, it likely just neglects mentioning the required plan on the product page, but I'm still holding out hope that it's not required, we'll see though.

If you already have a Verizon Wireless account can you just add it to that?

If I had to put money on the table, I’d bet on what many have explained as Bestbuy simply not selling the device without the customer “also” buying a month of data.
However, if that’s true, then I’ll pose this scenario:
Guy walks into a BestBuy… He has cash in hand for the device (off contract), tax, and activation fee. Walks through the process and finds via the credit check that for some reason, Verizon cannot approve him. What happens next?
Does BestBuy sell him the tablet? Has BestBuy “already” sold him the tablet (depending upon when data plan enrollment takes place in the process)?
Is there some sort of blood pack promise to simply not use WiFi? Self-destruct sequence activated on the 802.11 radio?

setite said:
Here is my question about the activation. Assuming it's not something on the tablet, and just that they wont let you out of the door without activating it. If you cancel it 20 minutes later when you get home, without using any data.. will you get charged? 2 Year contracts have a grace period IIRC.. why not month to month.
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I canceled my Verizon Galaxy Tab within 24 hours and was refunded the activation fee just fine, however they made me pay a pro-rated $1.03
IIRC, with Verizon you have up to 72 hours to cancel and reclaim your activation fee and beyond that you just pay a pro-rated amount of your usage.
With my Samsung Focus Windows Phone 7 on AT&T, I canceled on day 16 of the first 30 days and they gave me back my activation fee and didn't make me pay any pro-rated, they just zero'd it out.
For my Sprint Galaxy Tab I was month to month, but you pay 2 months bills initially, so when you cancel you aren't charged "more", but it doesn't deactivate until the end of the month you already paid for.
Hope that helps.

burningembers said:
I canceled my Verizon Galaxy Tab within 24 hours and was refunded the activation fee just fine, however they made me pay a pro-rated $1.03
IIRC, with Verizon you have up to 72 hours to cancel and reclaim your activation fee and beyond that you just pay a pro-rated amount of your usage.
With my Samsung Focus Windows Phone 7 on AT&T, I canceled on day 16 of the first 30 days and they gave me back my activation fee and didn't make me pay any pro-rated, they just zero'd it out.
For my Sprint Galaxy Tab I was month to month, but you pay 2 months bills initially, so when you cancel you aren't charged "more", but it doesn't deactivate until the end of the month you already paid for.
Hope that helps.
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You're correct. It's on Verizon's website under their Return Policy
http://www.verizonwireless.com/b2c/globalText?textName=RETURN_POLICY&jspName=footer/returnPolicy.jsp said:
You may terminate service for any reason within 14 days of activation. If you purchased a wireless device at a promotional price at the time of activation, you must return it within the device return period to avoid being assessed an Early Termination Fee of $175, or $350 if you purchased an Advanced Device. You will remain responsible for your Activation Fee unless you terminate service within three days of activation. You will also be responsible for all applicable usage fees, prorated access charges, taxes, surcharges or other charges that accrued to your account through the termination date. If you paid a security deposit, it may take between 30 and 60 days to process the return of your security deposit. The charges for any service used on the account before the service termination date may be applied against your security deposit.
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burningembers said:
I canceled my Verizon Galaxy Tab within 24 hours and was refunded the activation fee just fine, however they made me pay a pro-rated $1.03
IIRC, with Verizon you have up to 72 hours to cancel and reclaim your activation fee and beyond that you just pay a pro-rated amount of your usage.
With my Samsung Focus Windows Phone 7 on AT&T, I canceled on day 16 of the first 30 days and they gave me back my activation fee and didn't make me pay any pro-rated, they just zero'd it out.
For my Sprint Galaxy Tab I was month to month, but you pay 2 months bills initially, so when you cancel you aren't charged "more", but it doesn't deactivate until the end of the month you already paid for.
Hope that helps.
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Were you an existing customer? As far as I can tell, even existing customers are subjected to the whole credit check process. I asked VZ via online chat last night and they said yes, new line and credit check are required. She hinted that could all be avoided by calling customer care. Also, I tried to start an order for a Galaxy Tab to see how it worked and you can only upgrade or add a new line.
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In the Wirefly unboxing the unit boots up to configuring your account. At that point it says if you do not have cellular access to click and setup your wifi settings. Seems to me that BB is just forcing everyone to get 1month of Verizon service as a policy and not cause of technical limitations.
Plus, since the device is basically a Google Experience device, seems a little "ungoogle" to make you sign up for cellular service. At least from the software side.
Unboxing video - http://goo.gl/P0jSc
Go to 7m03s and see what I'm talking about.

atoy74 said:
In the Wirefly unboxing the unit boots up to configuring your account. At that point it says if you do not have cellular access to click and setup your wifi settings. Seems to me that BB is just forcing everyone to get 1month of Verizon service as a policy and not cause of technical limitations.
Plus, since the device is basically a Google Experience device, seems a little "ungoogle" to make you sign up for cellular service. At least from the software side.
Unboxing video - http://goo.gl/P0jSc
Go to 7m03s and see what I'm talking about.
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I think it only proves he didn't get his device through normal retail channels Obviously, Verizon is making it a requirement. They are also making it a requirement on the Galaxy Tab.

Costco will sell Xoom on Feb 24th...

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http://www.droidforums.net/forum/dr...d-xoom-info-contract-requirements-costco.html
Looks like Costco will be selling the Xoom on Feb 24th and a little plus is that it will have a $35 mail in rebate to take care of the stupid 1 month data requirement...
Looks like I will be going to Costco on the 24th.. Great thing is Costco has a great return policy (90 days) so if price drops within that time period its definitely going back for price adjustment or just return and re buy...

Wow, I'll bet BestBuy will match the activation fee now. Let the price wars begin!
With the activation fee waved, the first month of service is manageable. Or perhaps it can be canceled within 3 days as others have speculated for a refund.

Sirchuk said:
Wow, I'll bet BestBuy will match the activation fee now. Let the price wars begin!
With the activation fee waved, the first month of service is manageable. Or perhaps it can be canceled within 3 days as others have speculated for a refund.
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Doubtful as Best Buy cannot do anything with your bill. They might be willing to take 35 dollars off the price of the thing, but very doubtful

Is this true? If so I just jizzed in my pants. My family calls me a Costco Evangelist. I was all worried that I would have to return this tablet every 14 days at Best Buy until a wifi-only version came out.
With Costco I might keep it, or just return it once when the wifi-only version comes out. Costco is awesome, beyond their EPIC return window, they also have an almost unlimited return policy for things that stop working. I have returned things 12 months later with no problem.

Were you seriously going to return and repurchase a xoom every 14 days just so you can say you have the thing first?
I'm not sure that that's something you should openly admit to, just seems sad.

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Were you seriously going to return and repurchase a xoom every 14 days just so you can say you have the thing first?
I'm not sure that that's something you should openly admit to, just seems sad.
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Sad, nah. Exploitive, yes. The problem is that I want a wifi-only version, but I need a tablet now. I have been needing one for a few months now, but was unhappy with all the options available. If they would do the wise thing and release the wifi-only version first or simultaneously, I wouldn't have to play games. Or if they didnt mark it up 250$

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http://www.droidforums.net/forum/dr...d-xoom-info-contract-requirements-costco.html
Looks like Costco will be selling the Xoom on Feb 24th and a little plus is that it will have a $35 mail in rebate to take care of the stupid 1 month data requirement...
Looks like I will be going to Costco on the 24th.. Great thing is Costco has a great return policy (90 days) so if price drops within that time period its definitely going back for price adjustment or just return and re buy...
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Best Buy's pre-order just got pushed back to the 20th, I'd be interested to see if Costco's does as well.

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Best Buy's pre-order just got pushed back to the 20th, I'd be interested to see if Costco's does as well.
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Costco is doing a sale, not a pre-order. BestBuy's sale time is still the 24th as far as I know.

Sirchuk said:
Costco is doing a sale, not a pre-order. BestBuy's sale time is still the 24th as far as I know.
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Heh, good point, my bad =)

Take this with a grain of salt but I spoke with one of the phone guys at costco on the 15th and he said they expected to have it for about $100 less than best buy and verizon just like they currently do on the galaxy tab. I tend to believe that considering marking a $500 item down to $400 is a lot bigger of a cut than knocking an $800 item down to $700 is.

I talked to my buddy at the costco (yea i work there myself). The email said they will get the live demo starting on the 22nd. It also said starting the 24th they would get the actually product. It didn't say the price though. You WILL be required to get a month of service. The rumor is about $100 less just like the samsung tab. If i get anymore info, i'll keep this updated. I'm also waiting to get it myself.

Now how about the Wifi version $100 less at $500!!! Oh, what joy that would bring!
I really want this soon, price is my only concern. They better announce the Wifi version next week and say it's coming in no more than 1-2 weeks, I've waited far too long...I can't stand it...

So in order to buy anything from Costco you have to be a member right?

Arcadia310 said:
So in order to buy anything from Costco you have to be a member right?
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Correct $50 for the cheap one.
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Not sure about phones and tablets but non-members can order things from costco.com but they add a 5% fee.

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Correct $50 for the cheap one.
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If I use my dads membership will they accept that even if our names are different? Or will my dad need to be there?

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If I use my dads membership will they accept that even if our names are different? Or will my dad need to be there?
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Policy says he has to be there. If you are paying cash, they usually don't even look.
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Policy says he has to be there. If you are paying cash, they usually don't even look.
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Alright, hopefully if I pay cash they don't look at the name lol.

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If for some reason they give you crap, just remember costco has 100% return policy on everything (this includes memberships).
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Shhh. I was intentionally not telling anyone this. Costco is great... people should keep their memberships.

Best Buy Preorder

Was the first art local store in reading Pa. Associate said they would call when they arrived to set a time to come in and pick it up. They said they would install a screen protector and have everything ready ahead of time if I know what I want when they call.
Hope everyone else has a smooth visit this morning.
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Was the first art local store in reading Pa. Associate said they would call when they arrived to set a time to come in and pick it up. They said they would install a screen protector and have everything ready ahead of time if I know what I want when they call.
Hope everyone else has a smooth visit this morning.
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Do you have to pay in full?

No just 50.
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My question is, how do we purchase it for 800, the advertised price? If you can't, isn't that false advertising?
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When I go in on Thursday I will pay750 for the tablet since I already put 50 down. I do not have to purchaseanytbing else unless I want to use verizon wireless or purchase accessories.
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Something to keep in mind with this pre-order deal.
Most credit cards offer some kind of warranty. My american express for instance extends the manufacturers warranty by 1 year, the first three months is protected by theft and accidental damage protection insurance.
The catch? The entire purchase must be made on the card. So if you put $50 down as a pre-order, and they give you a gift card, and you return to purchase it using the gift card, essentially you are only putting $750 of the $800 on your card and thus the extended warranty / damage protection aren't eligible.
I've used the 90 days damage protection and the extended warranty. They issued a full refund to my card both times.
Just something else to consider with the pre-order deal.

Just preordered one over at the Rockaway, NJ location, smooth as butter. No issues, very straight forward. I was the 2nd person to preorder one. Can't wait to get my hands on it!

The pre order money is put on a gift card and does not need to be used at time of purchase.
I was hoping the free trade program was in place still but it expires before the launch.
At 100 dollars I believe selling it myself will net me dramatically more. I expect to get less for the convienence however find charging me for the option is a joke.
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I was hoping our local stores would have some kind of model in stock to show off.. I was dissapointed.

I went to the Montgomery, Al store. I was the first one there to pre-order. I walked over to the mobile department and asked to pre-order the Xoom. The saleswoman asked for my phone number to call me when it comes out. She charged my $50 for the gift card and asked me what time I wanted to set up an appointment. I told her and then asked if my 10% off coupon would work (it said "No contract phones"). She said "Yes, it shouldn't be a problem. If not, I will do something, it is only 10%". So I took my receipt and left. 4-5 min. total.

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I went to the Montgomery, Al store. I was the first one there to pre-order. I walked over to the mobile department and asked to pre-order the Xoom. The saleswoman asked for my phone number to call me when it comes out. She charged my $50 for the gift card and asked me what time I wanted to set up an appointment. I told her and then asked if my 10% off coupon would work (it said "No contract phones"). She said "Yes, it shouldn't be a problem. If not, I will do something, it is only 10%". So I took my receipt and left. 4-5 min. total.
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What 10% coupon is this? I asked if they would match Costco if they are indeed $100 cheaper, they said they should be able to.
I was planning on using my AMEX card too for the extended warranty - Have to see if I can just trade someone $50 bucks for the giftcard.

Slimgym20 said:
What 10% coupon is this? I asked if they would match Costco if they are indeed $100 cheaper, they said they should be able to.
I was planning on using my AMEX card too for the extended warranty - Have to see if I can just trade someone $50 bucks for the giftcard.
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I would like to know about this coupon too. I just preordered at Best in the West Best Buy in Las Vegas.. Store 122 I think. I plan to buy from Costco if I can, but I wanted to hedge my bets. I can always use the giftcard towards a case and dock. I want the speaker dock, but I don't think I can justify 130$ total, technically 80$ just for speakers.
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are you guys buying wifi model or 3g?
i wanted to get just the wi-fi version for $600 and i just called told by someone at the best buy that there is no wi-fi only very version. according to them i would have to spend 800 bucks on it. is this true?

varungandhi said:
are you guys buying wifi model or 3g?
i wanted to get just the wi-fi version for $600 and i just called told by someone at the best buy that there is no wi-fi only very version. according to them i would have to spend 800 bucks on it. is this true?
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600$ wifi version is TBA right now. No one knows when or where it will be.

Slimgym20 said:
What 10% coupon is this? I asked if they would match Costco if they are indeed $100 cheaper, they said they should be able to.
I was planning on using my AMEX card too for the extended warranty - Have to see if I can just trade someone $50 bucks for the giftcard.
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Oh sorry, I should have mentioned: I am a BB Reward Zone Silver Member. They send out coupons every once in a while. Mine is good during the launch date. (Actually I think it is good until the 24th )

SFBPro said:
Oh sorry, I should have mentioned: I am a BB Reward Zone Silver Member. They send out coupons every once in a while. Mine is good during the launch date. (Actually I think it is good until the 24th )
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Oh okay. Most of BB's stuff is way overpriced, so I am not willing to spend the kind of money to become a silver member. I guess it's good they give you something for paying their prices

setite said:
Oh okay. Most of BB's stuff is way overpriced, so I am not willing to spend the kind of money to become a silver member. I guess it's good they give you something for paying their prices
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Yeah I agree, I don't usually buy that much from them anymore... just big stuff that you can't really get cheap anywhere else (i.e. MacBook Pro). It also helps when you have known the managers at the stores for 5-9 years. They generally help make things reasonable for their loyal customers. However, I still think the Xoom is overpriced, but the 10% makes it more tolerable. Did anyone notice any accessories in stock at their BB?

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Yeah I agree, I don't usually buy that much from them anymore... just big stuff that you can't really get cheap anywhere else (i.e. MacBook Pro). It also helps when you have known the managers at the stores for 5-9 years. They generally help make things reasonable for their loyal customers. However, I still think the Xoom is overpriced, but the 10% makes it more tolerable. Did anyone notice any accessories in stock at their BB?
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I didn't see any accessories in stock. But I have never seen accessories in stock for a device prior to release. Hell, for the EVO I recall they barely had anything in stock on release day. Based on the preorder form, I imagine they are going to have the portfolio case SKU 2103374 and the Standard Dock SKU 2129336 at release. 4 more days.. I CAN'T WAIT!!!!

It didn't make sense, but when I stopped in to pre-order at the Jacksonville, FL Airport Best Buy, I was told by the associate that my final price would be $600 or $800 depending on CONTRACT.
Did carrier subsidies start on non-phone devices for contracts? It that the debacle about activation and reactivation?
I suppose, with something like device + activation being $635, plus $20x12, $240. I would still eat a $40 charge on subsidy for a larger up-front discount, for the crap plan.
Activating that, and tethering to my Incredible. Otherwise PlayOn/Netflix will break the bank.
I guess he could have read enough to know the price for the wifi version, and just spouted that off as well.
The fine print on their Buy Back promotion being free another week, which I just caught after suggesting it to people, just because it's free, says at the Best Buy Mobile stores, for applying it to tablets. So, if you really want $400 back in six months, or the option in case resale goes down in a flooded market, buy at a Best Buy Mobile.
Now to wait for Thursday!

morbos said:
It didn't make sense, but when I stopped in to pre-order at the Jacksonville, FL Airport Best Buy, I was told by the associate that my final price would be $600 or $800 depending on CONTRACT.
Did carrier subsidies start on non-phone devices for contracts? It that the debacle about activation and reactivation?
I suppose, with something like device + activation being $635, plus $20x12, $240. I would still eat a $40 charge on subsidy for a larger up-front discount, for the crap plan.
Activating that, and tethering to my Incredible. Otherwise PlayOn/Netflix will break the bank.
I guess he could have read enough to know the price for the wifi version, and just spouted that off as well.
The fine print on their Buy Back promotion being free another week, which I just caught after suggesting it to people, just because it's free, says at the Best Buy Mobile stores, for applying it to tablets. So, if you really want $400 back in six months, or the option in case resale goes down in a flooded market, buy at a Best Buy Mobile.
Now to wait for Thursday!
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You must be careful. The first person I talked to spewed general information because they thought the XOOM was a phone.

What do think will happen if I cancel Verizon data plan within 3 days?

The reason I ask is because according the Verizon Return and Service Termination policy, you won't be responsible for the $35 activation and you will only have to pay Verizon for any data usage. Here is that statement from their policy:
You will remain responsible for your Activation Fee unless you terminate service within three days of activation. You will also be responsible for all applicable usage fees, prorated access charges, taxes, surcharges or other charges that accrued to your account through the termination date
I assume if the Xoom makes it out the store that it can go on wifi without anything from verizon.

unknown_owner said:
The reason I ask is because according the Verizon Return and Service Termination policy, you won't be responsible for the $35 activation and you will only have to pay Verizon for any data usage. Here is that statement from their policy:
You will remain responsible for your Activation Fee unless you terminate service within three days of activation. You will also be responsible for all applicable usage fees, prorated access charges, taxes, surcharges or other charges that accrued to your account through the termination date
I assume if the Xoom makes it out the store that it can go on wifi without anything from verizon.
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I don't see how they can do anything to you. Probably just assuming most people don't know this and will keep it for the month period asked for. I'll be canceling data the same day, so I guess I'll find out for sure than.

Would be nice if word of this can get out to everyone buying the Xoom. Might make Verizon reconsider even doing this.

Agreed. I will have the number to call and cancel programmed into my phone and will start dialed before I even get out of the door to Best Buy. I'm going to look that number up now. We should have the number stickied

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Agreed. I will have the number to call and cancel programmed into my phone and will start dialed before I even get out of the door to Best Buy. I'm going to look that number up now. We should have the number stickied
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this would be a great idea

setite said:
Agreed. I will have the number to call and cancel programmed into my phone and will start dialed before I even get out of the door to Best Buy. I'm going to look that number up now. We should have the number stickied
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When we go to pick up our Xoom's, we should be telling people in the store that we are going to cancel the activation that same day. And tell them to tell others they meet to cancel before 3 days. I plan on telling the person selling it to me that I'm going to cancel the data plan as soon as I reach my car.
Here's the link to the VerizonWireless Return Policy. You'll find the quote under Return and Service Termination.
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When we go to pick up our Xoom's, we should be telling people in the store that we are going to cancel the activation that same day. And tell them to tell others they meet to cancel before 3 days. I plan on telling the person selling it to me that I'm going to cancel the data plan as soon as I reach my car.
Here's the link to the VerizonWireless Return Policy. You'll find the quote under Return and Service Termination.
VerizonWireless Return Policy
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Same, I'm gonna turn my WiFi tether on through my phone, make sure all is good than call and cancel.

So if I understand what you say, just go to BB, to pre-order, and the D-Day, 24th, by paying the full order, just call Verizon and cancel the subscription?
But what they ask for activation? does it have an address or phone number U.S.?
I always hesitate to go to Plattsburgh to pre-order ...

Just read some interesting words posted about the activation and data plan and it makes sense to me. Here are the excerpts from the posts:
It's not a contract if there is no way to "breach" the contract. Not only is this "agreement" wholly optional, but there is no commitment to it. You can cancel it THAT DAY and pay nothing. If you cancel within 3 days verizon doesn't even charge the activation fee. at most, you might get a small pro-rated bill that you'll be able to talk yourself out of since you never used the product over their data lines.
The Tab (also a tablet) had a "requirement" you activate it. The netbooks sold by carrier's also "required" activation before you could leave the store with it. Both devices function perfectly without activation. The tab required activation at best buy, it requires it at my store and most others I know, but I have a friend who works at another store that doesn't require it. It's not a software requirement, or a requirement from verizon, it's just good business sense on the part of the stores (if you want to know why, refer to my previous comments in this thread)
Yes, I am assuming, but I'm assuming based on factual history and 2+ years of working in the industry. You (and everyone else) are assuming based off of a SINGLE leaked ad for a product that has no official release date or pricing information yet.
Until we get official information, EVERYONE is speculating. I'm just making my assumptions based off of how things have always been instead of what-ifs that bear no similarity to reality.
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Ok... Let me say this again:
this is a requirement of BEST BUY, NOT VERIZON.
Ok, that's why verizon doesn't just make the plan optional. The plan IS optional, but to buy one from best buy it's not. That's what I've been trying to say the whole time. That's why the argument of "contract" is bogus.
And you're right, it's only been viable for the past year, and for the past year, every tablet has been treated the EXACT same way. Every android device has been treated the EXACT same way. Best buy documentation also said that activation was required on the Tab when it wasn't. So even if the ad wasn't a fake, it's validity is questionable at best.
The purpose of forums is to speculate, which is why you don't write someone off by say "but you're just assuming" like you did earlier.
I've seen internal docs for every other tablet release. They ALL say "this device does not require activation to work" in one way or another. Internal documents do not exist for this device yet, but there is absolutely no reason a PURE GOOGLE tablet would have a lock like this, and there's no reason Verizon would treat this tablet any differently than any other device in their lineup.
No devices require activation, heck you don't even need to give a phone number. But most stores do because of business reasons, not software or rules.
It makes sense. Motorola set the price at $800. BB needs to make a little profit so they partner with Verizon and say we are going to get you activations and data plan signups, just kick us back some money for every one that we signup.
"Oh, no Verizon, we won't tell them that the Xoom really doesn't need any activation, but the consumer doesn't know that. We can tell them anything and they will believe it. Heck, we won't let them buy one without activating it in our stores", says BB to Verizon.
"You guys (BB and Verizon) are messing with the success of my product by trying to extort money from the customers. Our name is going to dragged in the mud for this", Motorola to BB and Verizon.

unknown_owner said:
Just read some interesting words posted about the activation and data plan and it makes sense to me. Here are the excerpts from the posts:
It's not a contract if there is no way to "breach" the contract. Not only is this "agreement" wholly optional, but there is no commitment to it. You can cancel it THAT DAY and pay nothing. If you cancel within 3 days verizon doesn't even charge the activation fee. at most, you might get a small pro-rated bill that you'll be able to talk yourself out of since you never used the product over their data lines.
The Tab (also a tablet) had a "requirement" you activate it. The netbooks sold by carrier's also "required" activation before you could leave the store with it. Both devices function perfectly without activation. The tab required activation at best buy, it requires it at my store and most others I know, but I have a friend who works at another store that doesn't require it. It's not a software requirement, or a requirement from verizon, it's just good business sense on the part of the stores (if you want to know why, refer to my previous comments in this thread)
Yes, I am assuming, but I'm assuming based on factual history and 2+ years of working in the industry. You (and everyone else) are assuming based off of a SINGLE leaked ad for a product that has no official release date or pricing information yet.
Until we get official information, EVERYONE is speculating. I'm just making my assumptions based off of how things have always been instead of what-ifs that bear no similarity to reality.
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Ok... Let me say this again:
this is a requirement of BEST BUY, NOT VERIZON.
Ok, that's why verizon doesn't just make the plan optional. The plan IS optional, but to buy one from best buy it's not. That's what I've been trying to say the whole time. That's why the argument of "contract" is bogus.
And you're right, it's only been viable for the past year, and for the past year, every tablet has been treated the EXACT same way. Every android device has been treated the EXACT same way. Best buy documentation also said that activation was required on the Tab when it wasn't. So even if the ad wasn't a fake, it's validity is questionable at best.
The purpose of forums is to speculate, which is why you don't write someone off by say "but you're just assuming" like you did earlier.
I've seen internal docs for every other tablet release. They ALL say "this device does not require activation to work" in one way or another. Internal documents do not exist for this device yet, but there is absolutely no reason a PURE GOOGLE tablet would have a lock like this, and there's no reason Verizon would treat this tablet any differently than any other device in their lineup.
No devices require activation, heck you don't even need to give a phone number. But most stores do because of business reasons, not software or rules.
It makes sense. Motorola set the price at $800. BB needs to make a little profit so they partner with Verizon and say we are going to get you activations and data plan signups, just kick us back some money for every one that we signup.
"Oh, no Verizon, we won't tell them that the Xoom really doesn't need any activation, but the consumer doesn't know that. We can tell them anything and they will believe it. Heck, we won't let them buy one without activating it in our stores", says BB to Verizon.
"You guys (BB and Verizon) are messing with the success of my product by trying to extort money from the customers. Our name is going to dragged in the mud for this", Motorola to BB and Verizon.
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Maybe everyone forced to activate should contact their local Attorney General. One or two state attorney generals attacked Best Buy over forced bundling with the xbox360, and this is the same situation. Forcing you to buy a plan is illegal as far as I can tell by the "tying" provisions of the anti-trust acts. I think the lie that the wifi is disabled might make the situation for BB even worse.

First the Note 7 mess, now the Samsung Promotions debacle.

I ordered 3 S8+ phones from Verizon on March 30.
2 phones ship, but with 2 day air (my plan includes next day air) due to VZW rep screw up.
The 3rd phone they send an email telling me that they need more info, but nothing in the email says what they need. I get a call on the 15th and they say they need my credit card number. I told them I entered it, and it even appears on my order receipt they emailed me. Rep said they dont have it so I give it to them. They cancel my order! Then place another one (without mentioning that of course). And yes, the moron changed it to 2 day air.
2 phones get delivered on the 20th and I register right away for the Samsung promotion and choose the $99 offer on both.
3rd phone delivers today, no option to select the $99 dollar offer on that.
VZW wants to call Samsung and see if they can get them to honor the promo I missed out on due to VZW incompetence. Of course I know its not gonna happen. After an hour, the rep says she cant hold any longer for Samsung and tells me to email her when I hear from them. Another hour later, I give up.
I check the status of my orders and one says processing the other says approved. Nothing mentions paying the $99.
I have a feeling that none of them are going to happen.
What a useless promo. They had such a severely limited amount that you not only had to preorder on day one (like a lot of us) but then you also had to hope your carrier didnt screw up (like VZW), and then even though you get to select it, then you still could be out of luck.
Samsung, you blew it again. I thought the Note 7 , and the replacement Note 7 was a mess and pain in the @ss..... now this crap?

apples and oranges.

Just saw this on the Samsung website when checking my promotion status and trying to pay for the $99 bundle.
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jkwjkw said:
Just saw this on the Samsung website when checking my promotion status and trying to pay for the $99 bundle.
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How do you even check the promotion status ?

Techvir said:
How do you even check the promotion status ?
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https://promos.samsungpromotions.com/info/checkstatus

Woooot
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RMXO said:
https://promos.samsungpromotions.com/info/checkstatus
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As a twist, I was able to click buy for the $99 promotion. It wouldn't let me add my credit card to samsung pay(not supported), wouldn't let me click on paypal(gave an error), and wouldn't let me just pay with my credit card (said the info was invalid). Then, my phone battery died. Now, It says the promo isn't valid. It says my submission has been approved and it's processing gift. But, since I never got to pay anything... I have no clue what is happening.

I ordered mine from Samsung website on the 17th of April. Got the $99 Bundle and both phone and bundle arrived yesterday.
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I registered for the free VR and got approved for the $99 bundle? Can't get through to promotions on the phone. Tried 3 times and stayed on hold 2 hours each time with no one answering. Emailed, no response. Tried online support, took an hour to get a rep and he told me to call the 1-800 number.
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Promotion is still available for me too....wish I had the extra cash!

I submitted my registry and under check status it shows that I chose the immersive package, but I'm still not approved and have no way to pay. On the Samsung website it says they're sold out did to high demand. I will be seriously bummed if I lose out since I pre ordered the first day and registered the first day I got my phone.

I checked the shop app. There was an option to buy the fully immersive bundle at $99. I bought and it. My card was authorized and I got a confirmation email.
The order shows up as confirmed in my Samsung order page as well.

I don't see any way this compares to batteries exploding. It sucks but at least you still have your phone.
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I just got off the phone with the rep. I was told as long as you claimed it before it ran out you should be in the clear and just have to wait for the email to pay for it. I claimed mine on the 19th and and have not gotten the option to pay for it yet. The rep pushed my request up to the next left for faster processing, but said I had claimed the 99 bundle while they were available.

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I just got off the phone with the rep. I was told as long as you claimed it before it ran out you should be in the clear and just have to wait for the email to pay for it. I claimed mine on the 19th and and have not gotten the option to pay for it yet. The rep pushed my request up to the next left for faster processing, but said I had claimed the 99 bundle while they were available.
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I hope that is true that if they approved you then your in the clear. I got my email approval two days ago but each time I try to purchase the bundle I get an error stating it couldn't be added to the cart try again later. Probably because they are sold out. Fingers crossed I can still get it.
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I find this frustrating--that they "sold out" of the promotion on the day the phone was released (for those of us picking them up in person anyway).
The headphone/memory card promotion was part of my decision to buy the phone, and it turns out they only have 50,000?! Maybe that was in the fine print somewhere, but it should have been prominently displayed on the promo page--"The first 50,000 customers get this offer."

Greatbape said:
I just got off the phone with the rep. I was told as long as you claimed it before it ran out you should be in the clear and just have to wait for the email to pay for it. I claimed mine on the 19th and and have not gotten the option to pay for it yet. The rep pushed my request up to the next left for faster processing, but said I had claimed the 99 bundle while they were available.
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RedBaron134 said:
I hope that is true that if they approved you then your in the clear. I got my email approval two days ago but each time I try to purchase the bundle I get an error stating it couldn't be added to the cart try again later. Probably because they are sold out. Fingers crossed I can still get it.
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If that's true, I'll be totally stoked. We'll see when the email links start rolling out. Like you guys, I'll be bummed if that's not the case.

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If that's true, I'll be totally stoked. We'll see when the email links start rolling out. Like you guys, I'll be bummed if that's not the case.
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You mean IF.
I registered Wednesday, no email yet.

eelton said:
I find this frustrating--that they "sold out" of the promotion on the day the phone was released (for those of us picking them up in person anyway).
The headphone/memory card promotion was part of my decision to buy the phone, and it turns out they only have 50,000?! Maybe that was in the fine print somewhere, but it should have been prominently displayed on the promo page--"The first 50,000 customers get this offer."
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750,000 preorders so thats what ... 6%?
Samsung then altered that deal by allowing their preorders to get the promo at the time of preorder. Then they let the carriers choose the date the phones were delivered, further screwing up the possibility of anyone being able to get the promo.
If they had restricted the delivery to opening day, or not allowed themselves the perk of letting those who preorder with them the ability to get the promo ahead of others who ordered on the 30th (you could order form Samsung on the 16th and be guaranteed a promo but if you ordered from a carrier on the 30th you were unlikely to get it).

Yes I'm pretty pissed of about it and samsung doesn't care
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