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how do you like your EVO?
what are the quirks that are bugging you?
what phone did you come from?
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how does it compare to that previous phone?
i have my phone pre-order sitting at best buy still.
i have my money, i have my little gift card....only thing is i've really enjoyed the past few roms on my HTC HERO and I don't feel the need for this phone because the Hero has fit me very well. that and there is no 4g here in so cali yet so what's the point?
thanks to everyone who replies
I left WiMo on a VZW xv6800
Quirks........
no signature in SMS and the native email client sucks. I can only get my main folder in Hotmail and not all my other folders were my mail is separated to.
Anyone know a better email client that will resolve that?
I thought Seven would do it but i see they dont have a client for Android as of yet.
weedahoe said:
I left WiMo on a VZW xv6800
Quirks........
no signature in SMS and the native email client sucks. I can only get my main folder in Hotmail and not all my other folders were my mail is separated to.
Anyone know a better email client that will resolve that?
I thought Seven would do it but i see they dont have a client for Android as of yet.
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after 1 week with the stock text client i switched to handcent. it is SO SO SO SO SO much better in my opinion
i hate the mail client for hotmail/yahoo as well BUT i only really use gmail and that one is perfect for me so...maybe think about switching to gmail?
oh jeeze....thats what she said.
my evo is treating me great! my first complain was with the battery, but with a few discharge/recharge cycles, it seems to be doing well.
everything else is pretty much gravy. i love the screen, the real estate is just MASSIVE.
bottom line, you're going to love this thing
Phenomenal piece of hardware.
I love my Evo. I am still setting it up and haven't decided if I want to root or not but its awesome.
Haven't had many quirks, the soft keys are a little sensitive and I end up fatfingering them when playing some games, no biggie. Battery isn't a huge issue if you're a resourceful person. I used my phone for 6 hours before it died doing HEAVY usage. (Navigation, Trapster, YouTube streaming, Super KO Boxing 2, Pictures, recorded a 2 min video, etc)
I came from the G1, what an upgrade.
I freaking love it!!!!
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I love my Evo. I am still setting it up and haven't decided if I want to root or not but its awesome.
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Do the unrevoked root. Getting rid of it is as simple as uninstalling the app. All Root does is give you superuser/admin rights to the phone.
I love this phone. I play iMobsters on it so addicting so I haven't had too much time to play with the phone. I've taken so many pictures.
Gripes:
Is there a way to turn flash on at night so I can record video? Videos come out dark so I haven't recorded much at night.
I disabled SenseUI but I wanted to know how I can get more widgets to fill up at least 1 or 2 more pages. Any recommendations? I noticed that when I disabled SenseUI a lot of widgets don't come up in the options.
I am coming from a Palm Pre, and this phone is so amazing. I have been using the speech-to-text on text messages and it hasn't missed a word yet. I dislike the email client, but it isn't enough to make me verbally complain. I have downloaded a few apps here and there, and so far everything is working better than expected.
I do miss the track pad or ball a little. Nothing earth shattering.
I LOVE THE SCREEN BUT they should have raised the resolution.
I wish the system didn't auto start a bunch of crap. That's an android issue and people shouldn't be forced to root to get rid of it. I'm rooted so this doesn't matter anymore but battery performance and even actual device performance improves after removing all the bull ****.
I wish they was another way to turn on the device. I miss menu menu. Should be an option.
I wish launcher pro worked over sense. I like the widgets.
Otherwise I love android and the evo. I will have a hard time going back to any screen less than 4 inches. I don't miss having s physical keyboard anymore with swype and especially swype on this awesome screen.
The speed is mostly good, it will improve as things get optimized.
how about things like, how does it fit in your pocket.
does it fit in the same spot where you stored your old phone in your car
*i have a perfect slot above my radio and i think the evo may be too thin and it will fall out while driving*
i've had an htc phone since the 6700 a few years back and everything has been mini-usb now i gotta use my blu-tooth microsb cables/chargers.
ummmmmmmmmmmmm
anyone crack their screen yet?
Absolutely love the phone much better than my HD2. Only 2 quirks for me is that I cant control all volumes (media, notifications, phone calls, etc.) with one setting and that I can never tell where my battery percent is. I always have to guess if im on 85% etc. OTT it has exceeded all expectations.
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Absolutely love the phone much better than my HD2. Only 2 quirks for me is that I cant control all volumes (media, notifications, phone calls, etc.) with one setting and that I can never tell where my battery percent is. I always have to guess if im on 85% etc. OTT it has exceeded all expectations.
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uhh, there's an app for that (more like 100 apps for that). Most are free too.
gonzoangel said:
how about things like, how does it fit in your pocket.
does it fit in the same spot where you stored your old phone in your car
*i have a perfect slot above my radio and i think the evo may be too thin and it will fall out while driving*
i've had an htc phone since the 6700 a few years back and everything has been mini-usb now i gotta use my blu-tooth microsb cables/chargers.
ummmmmmmmmmmmm
anyone crack their screen yet?
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It fits in my pocket quite well. (Is it just me or are there a lot of jokes that would go there?) I think that it being as thin as it is actually makes it better than my Hero. Just my opinion.
I got the silicone case from Sprint and it doesnt slide around in the cubby in my car at all. Next is the car mount
Led desire light. App to turn led into flashlight. Turn that on then open camera app
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dukins said:
Absolutely love the phone much better than my HD2. Only 2 quirks for me is that I cant control all volumes (media, notifications, phone calls, etc.) with one setting and that I can never tell where my battery percent is. I always have to guess if im on 85% etc. OTT it has exceeded all expectations.
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I use an app called battery left. It is free and really nice.
Aridon said:
I wish launcher pro worked over sense. I like the widgets.
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-That is exactly what I was thinking when I installed launcher pro but removed it due to that reason
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Otherwise I love android and the evo. I will have a hard time going back to any screen less than 4 inches. I don't miss having s physical keyboard anymore with swype and especially swype on this awesome screen.
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I didn't even know what swype was 20 min ago. I installed it and did the tutorial, sent out a few texts. Will take some time to get used to, but so far it seems promising. Thanks.
Pros:
I absolutely love the size. Not too big, not too small.
Kickstand, HDMI out, dual LED flash, 720P recording.
Haptic feedback is great.
Cons:
For some reason, most of my incoming text messages are time stamped incorrectly. I have googled the living hell out of this problem, but can't find a legit fix anywhere.
The camera is so grainy that it feels like I'm using a camera phone from the 90's. Flash clears this up in dark lighting, but indoor photos are terrible.
Stock keyboard is a nightmare. Thank god for Swype.
Lock/Power button is hard to locate without looking at times.
Overall, I couldn't be any more disappointed in the camera. With all the time they spend on kickstands, flash, and such a massive screen I would have thought they'd spend more time on something as standard as a camera. I've read that not many people have this problem- so I'm crossing my fingers and hoping that this is a faulty camera in my phone.
All my friends have been amazed how much I've been tinkering with my phone all weekend. I laid in bed Saturday night for 3 hours (until about 2am) playing with all the cool apps and features of the EVO. They all laughed when I told them I was in bed until 2am (laying next to my wife) while playing with the phone. Yes, "playing" because it's been so much fun. I already had the original G1 when it was first launched 2 years ago, so all this wasn't new to me. I can't imagine how a NEW user to Android would be just blown away at first glance of the EVO.
I was first blown away of the size of the screen. It is sooo much better to view text. I was equally blown away at the speed of the phone and apps (and it's supposed to be faster with 2.2 JIT ??? wow!!). Battery was great for me. I was using everything, including 4G. I was getting tired of waiting for the juice to run out. I was blown away at the Sega Genesis emulator and speed of the games.
I don't have any complaints, but if you twisted my arm and forced me to find something to improve on I would list:
1) Action buttons on the bottom (home, menu, back, and search). They are very sensitive and I keep hitting them accidentally. Not a major problem, but still, I think they should have been physical buttons.
2) Trackball, nice to use instead of keyboard arrow buttons, but as someone else said: This is not a deal breaker.
3) 4G: I live in Houston so we have 4G coverage, but it's spotty. I was in Best Buy over the weekend talking to the ClearWire rep and we were on the edge of the city (in Katy) and he had his usb Dongle to get 4G reception. I still right up next to the antenna and we both ran speed test from SpeedTest.net. The Rep kept getting MINIMUM of 6 Mbit down and 2 Mbit up, while I was getting max 2.25 MBit down (I've since gotten 3.35 MBit down while at home over 4g). With our limited testing I would have to conclude that 4G is NOT ClearWire or Sprints problem, but more of a HARDWARE issue. The USB dongle probably had a better antenna whereas the EVO antenna didn't pick up the signal as much. We were deep inside the Best Buy store and the ClearWire 4G reception was at least 75%, while I barely got 1 bar on my EVO. I changed positions, and we made sure we were both on the same servers running our speed tests. But, 4G is still much faster than 3G, but not what I was expecting.
Something I just noiced, figured i'd share with the class.
So you don't miss awesome **** like I did.
So I have a competitive racing rc car (team assocoated sc10) I built a ramp to jump the car over my civic. One last time before I sold the motor out of it for something with a little less power. (65 mph in a 7 pound car is a little excessive for off road short course racing.) So I setup my phone on highest res possible to record it doing a few jumps and speed runs and one last one over my car...long ways. Started recording set the phone up so it could view everything while I walked away. Did everything, and actually hit the jump over my car and landed flawlessly. (+10 pts for style). Could never ever do it like that again. When I was done I hit the pause button instead of stop then pressed the back button...sure enough I lost all that video, and didn't realize it until after the guy came and got my motor and batteries that I was selling him :-(
Moral of the story: use stop instead of pause/back. That seems like a bug to me. A very sad and disappointing bug.
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Thanks for the tip.
And wow. That really sucks.
I figured that out too, really a dumb feature IMO
Figured that out from day one but that sucks nonetheless. Accept my condolences mate.
I think we all have the crAppy 720p video. I am assuming the 004 devices have a better camera, and if so it sure seems like we might have a leg to stand on in claiming that we have defective devices. They may not have an argument since they even replaced something in the new model in regards to the camera.
I love this phone but, don't you feel scammed with how crappy the 720p video is? It's worse then the lessor setting.
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I thought it only went up to 003? And I don't think that the camera is that bad after the update.
I thought my video was good too until I noticed there was a setting for video recording resolution and it wasn't set at 720p. So I changed it to 720p and now I see why it wasn't set there by deafult, it looks crappy, choppy, and garbled at times. Its almost unwathable. Nothing like buying a phone with a advertised sweet 720p video camera that no one will ever use on 720p because its almost unwatchable.
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From what I understand the 004 devices don't have a better camera. HTC just added a second vendor to keep up with holiday demand. Iirc, Sprint will actually be selling 003 and 004 devices concurrently. The only difference will be the camera vendor. It's like they did w/ the screens...
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I feel ya, I also would like a 004 evo, especially after today.
I literally got to my local Sprint store at about 2:45. I sat in my car to un-root my evo, which was running baked snack 1.9. I backed up via mybackup, did a nand-backup, downloaded the unroot files (via tethering! Took SOO long!) and put the stock 8gb card in, pre-formatted. This process took 2 hours! Then, I finally had a non-rooted evo, went in the store, and told them about my powerline crack problem. I was told I had to wait 1 to 1.5 hours.
So I looked around at the phones for 30-45 minutes, got bored, and sat there for an hour or so....
finally, around 6:30, the manager (or at least he seemed like it) was free and I asked him if my phone was done. He scanned my receipt, went in the back, and came back with a huge smile, probably because he was thinking "this guy's been in here for 2 hours now, at least he gets a new phone!" (he kept looking at me weirdly during the 2 hours. I guess most people leave the store)
So I got another 003 evo(nova), had an 003 Epson that had a powerline crack (which I neglected to get replaced for a month now), and I just rooted and re-flashed bs 1.9.
If only all that waiting would've gotten me a 004 evo...
I could always make an asurion claim, keep my replacement evo I got today as a PDA!
(I keed, I keed!)
I don't see anything better with the new versions... just new hardware to keep up with demand
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waaahhhh i want the new version im going to ***** about crappy video wahhh wahh
change your pads !
Honestly I was hoping somone would tell me that I can fix the video on mine with software or a tweak.also it looks inconclusive on weather video looks any better on 004. I really don't want another phone. I Like mine, except for the video.
You have judged me and done so incorrectly, and then attempted to heckle me with your misconception. If are you trying to e bully me just move along or try to post something relavent before I mark you for trolling. If your kidding then lol, very funny.
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I got a class 6 card, and it fixed the choppiness and freezing.
The newer camera will probably be worse if anything. The new provider was probably a second choice, plus with HTC's history with cameras and swapping components..
so, your 720P video looks as smooth as wvga? and it looks sharper too?
maybe might micro sd card is bad. i ran a speed test on it and it said it was a class 2 but it wrote at 3MBps, i think.
i upgraded my card from the stock 8GB to a 16GB class 2. maybe i'll experiment with my older cards.
potna said:
Honestly I was hoping somone would tell me that I can fix the video on mine with software or a tweak.also it looks inconclusive on weather video looks any better on 004. I really don't want another phone. I Like mine, except for the video.
You have judged me and done so incorrectly, and then attempted to heckle me with your misconception. If are you trying to e bully me just move along or try to post something relavent before I mark you for trolling. If your kidding then lol, very funny.
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lol I was joking about the asurion claim... Although I would have loved for the 003 evo I got yesterday to be a 004, unless the newer camera isn't better
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waaahhhh i want the new version im going to ***** about crappy video wahhh wahh
change your pads !
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There is concern that the new hw revision will fragment the otas as well as hinder rom cooking. Currently 004 devices run a different kernel and are at 3.30.something new today. Meanwhile 003 devices are (supposed to be) at 3.29.whatever
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From what I understand the 004 devices don't have a better camera. HTC just added a second vendor to keep up with holiday demand. Iirc, Sprint will actually be selling 003 and 004 devices concurrently. The only difference will be the camera vendor. It's like they did w/ the screens...
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This is the correct answer and nothing else.
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I have an 0004 hardware version and I'm on 3.29
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There is concern that the new hw revision will fragment the otas as well as hinder rom cooking. Currently 004 devices run a different kernel and are at 3.30.something new today. Meanwhile 003 devices are (supposed to be) at 3.29.whatever
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Yes, I believe they're backwards compatible, but 003 evos have had issues with 3.30 from what I've surmised. Personally the 3.30 kernel killed pdanet.
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Well, does anyone that has HW 0004 have the same stuttering/pixelation issues?
I'm trying to troubleshoot my severe issues @ 720p recording.. I have HW 0003, root performed, and setcpu installed, still on stock rom.. and have replaced the class 2 card with an 8GB class 6 that has consistently gotten 11.4 to 12.2 write speeds via crystal disk mark (external-dont really believe it) and 5.7-8.5 via SD Tools (internal).. ran chkdsk on it and it was fine..
I'm totally stumped here.. was thinking about getting a class 10, but there's possibly no need except for added size..
Again, does anyone that has HW 0004 have the same stuttering/pixelation issues?
Again, the hardware version doesnt matter. If anything, the newest version will have a worse camera.
There is really nothing you can do about it. It's the crappy codec and bitrate that htc/android uses to record 720p. You will get about the same quality video by using the h264 codec at 800x480. Of course, the resolution wont be there, but its much smoother and less pixelated.
I have all 3 phones. I have tried running divx, mp4 and mkv through all of them. The resolutions vary between dvd up to 720p hdtv quality. I am sad to say that, this is just my unscientific opinion, the evo shift stock is not more powerful than the other two in real world testing. I've tested operating all three in stock rom form and the shift isn't the badass.
If you want to recreate these tests for yourself to see or prove me wrong then go ahead. Go find a 720p mkv tv show off torrents or something and try running them on these phones.
Each phone has it's strong points and weaknesses. It just depends on what are you wanting the phone to do and what is more important than another thing. In general games, the epic seems to have the higher and smoother frame rates. It does have the largest keyboard area of between the two. I found that with my big fingers, I was bumping keys next to the one I was trying to hit many more times than I do on the Shift. The Epic's drawer mechanism is pretty darn loose. The Epic in video recording had closer to the actual colors and less artifacting caused by too high compression when compared to the Evo. I have yet to test video on the Shift much. I cannot record at the highest video resolution with the Epic without an error message coming up. The video is always corrupted when it crashes. If I do short recording sessions of just a few seconds, the epic looks better to me than the Evo. The Evo compresses too much and it shows in playback. The Evo will continue to record and not crash though when it is in highest resolution. Epic's high quality audio recording really sucks. It skips and studders. Both Evos sound great without any complaints. The screen on the Epic looks nicer and has richer looking colors than both Evos. Black is really black on the Epic. The colors might be richer but they exaggerate the saturation when comparing to whatever it is you are filming in real life.
The Epic seems to have more sensitive radios than the Evo but not the Shift, it hears just a little bit better than the Epic. I don't know who wins for battery life but I do know the Evo is in last place for runtime on a single charge.
Running the operating system on all three, the Evo seems quickest, Epic second, and the Shift in third. I'm talking about noticing hiccups, studders, temporary lockups and delayed reactions to screen touches. The Evo is very sensitive to the touch, the Shift second and Epic last. I found too many times I was talking back to the Epic, telling it to hurry up or come on!
The Epic takes a long time to charge and I haven't seen it be able to charge and use the device at the same time and actually increase battery capacity. I have seen both the Evos be able to charge and run at the same time.
Another thing I tried was pinch zooming in and out with the stock browser and see how smooth and fast it was. The Evo was definitely quick, followed closely by the Epic and Shift in last place with quick yet jerky zooming.
In closing, to be fair, the Evo has had the most official updates since first release. The epic has had a few updates too. The Shift is less than a week old. Evos are running 2.2 and Epic 2.1 so take some of that under consideration for speed too. I might be wrong but I would speculate that the Epic would be even faster when/if it finally goes to froyo. How would that stack up with the Evo? I don't know. It all comes down to what do you want in order of importance? For physical keyboards, I'm making less mistakes by hitting nearby keys with the Shift than the Epic.
Do any of you have two or all three of these phones? What are your observations? I'm not saying that these things I've said are facts per se, just my personal observations and impressions after using them. You mileage will most likely vary.
Well here is my take.
First: I do not have any of the above phones but I will be getting on soon.
I went into a Sprint store last night to get the shift, walked out not getting anything yet. Here is why.
To me currently its between 2 EVOs as I do not trust Samsung to fix or update anything, even if they roll out 2.2 or even 2.3 (skipping 2.2 as a Sprint employee suggested that Samsung is doing - I don't trust that but... whatever I have an Instinct and they dropped a ball on that with bugs glaring issues still in it).
So between the 2 EVOs here is what I see , any input would be welcomed.
Shift has better battery life, keyboard, smaller foot print, seems it should be faster at playing movies.
EVO thinner, larger screen.
So for me the keyboard is not a huge selling feature, I like it, but can easily live without it. Then there was an employee at the Sprint store with EVO and Extended battery. From all I've read/heard the extended battery on EVO should last at least as long as the stock on Shift. When I put both phones on the table the EVO was a smidgen thiker (with the extended battery) then the Shift.
So the way I see it the battery issue, is a non issue, between EVO and Shift so whats left is screen and keyboard.
I guess I will be selecting screen size, as bigger browser is a better experience, the way I see it.
From the above I am not sure I understand what is smoother playing videos (from the memory card) ?
Also is there any EVO issues (like connector problems, screen peeling ...) that I should put into my decision. Seems like where there but now are minimal if any.
I had an epic from launch which I traded for an evo two days ago and I bought my wife a shift on tuesday. While I may not have the epic right here to test I can assure you that I've run it through it's paces quite often.
First and foremost there is one glaring flaw in your testing and that is that the epic is running eclair which lacks the JIT speed enhancements and there fore its at a disadvantage. Second you even with that I have seen first hand how much more graphics processing power the epic has than the shift or even the evo.
As I started in your other thread about this, the shift has a second gen snap dragon whereas the evo has the first. Its a more powerful chip that has been underclocked exactly like it was in the desire z which has a stable overclock kernel running at 1.9ghz. The evo tops out at 1.2 and the epic overclocking was not "true" so its hard to judge that.
On to charging: my epic would charge to full from around 20% in about 4 hours while on and about 2 while off. I have not been able to thoroughly test the shift or the evo yet however I can say that I used to charge and use my epic all the time and it still charged very quickly.
Oh also for battery tests you have to keep in mind that while an lcd takes the same amount of power to display all colors a SAMOLED does not. Black requires no power and knowing that using dark themes as well as other tweaks I generally got about 28 hours per charge on the epic.
To sum up, I don't know a lot about .mkv files but I do know a lot about these three phones and here is what I know: the epic will always out perform the others on graphical tests. The evo and the epic will be close on productivity tests however the shift will be over clocked and will destroy the other two in productivity.
Edit sorry forgot to mention updates! The evo has received many major updates and tweaks that have made it a better device. The epic has received two and neither had fixed anything. One of them did make it so you could give samsung more money.
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I have the Epic and the Shift and I really believe the Shift runs better than the Epic in the real world enviornment. I havnt tested 720 mkv's though. Are you using the same SD card on each device when testing?
I find the Shift most def faster than the og evo in every aspect. I havn't had one lag, hickup or anything what-so-ever.
My browser doesnt have any lag at all when I pinch zoom in and out multiple times as fast as I can. Are you sure there isnt something running in the backround hendering your performace on your Shift? I truely believe when we overclock this thing its gonna smash on both phones minus the graphics of the Epic.
Considering I've messed with the EVO a ton and my friends with og EVO's say my phone is def faster in all aspects we could test at the time. I'm thinking maybe your device isnt running up to par for some reason...Or maybe I got a lucky device because my phone has been flawless (except for the signal drop when holding the base of the phone) for me and even lasted over 48 hours on 1 charge with light use.
Someone was mentioning speed improvements with jit. There's all kinds of ways to boost speed, the way I tested was stock rooted with official up to date roms.
I have just copied two shows that were converted from 1280x720 3700kbps video bitrate mkv. The video bitrate on both after re-encoding was 2000. One video I left the same 1280x720 and the other I converted down to the screen resolution of the phone 800x448. I am surprised that BOTH are 657.8mb regardless of resolution. My common sense is telling me this should not be. It's telling me the 1280 video should be larger in mb than the 800. I don't understand what the deal is but I'm not going to focus on that. I did this whole conversion with handbrake, bringing the audio down to 2 channel stereo, 48khz, 160kbps audio. I will play these and report back on what I find. I'm guessing the Shift and others won't have any problems since I backed the video bitrate way down. Playback on the computer, I'm surprised I can't tell the difference at fullscreen from the original....
I mentioned the jit improvements because only the epic doesn't have it. I'm not sure why there being "a ways to boost speed" negates the fact that any device running 2.2 or higher will have these speed boosts, which both the Evo and the Evo shift do but the Epic does not. You are effectively testing win xp against win7. Its just a bad test.
Further, its mostly moot because if you want your device to perform better you can (or will be able to in the case of the Shift) install custom roms that will outperform a stock phone any day.
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Now that I'm on my computer and can do a little research I looked up the .mkv format. To be honest, its a rather old standard and that could be the issue you're having. As I stated previously in the other thread, I test a 1080p .avi episode of 30 Rock and noticed no hiccups or stuttering at all on either my (very non-stock) Evo and my wife's Shift. It ran perfectly. Since you are using Handbrake, I'm not sure why you're using mkv as opposed to avi as in my experience avi's tend to run a whole hell of a lot smoother than most other video formats and it is works on pretty much all video players.
There is one other very real possibility that has not been discussed: When the Evo first came out and for a long time it was locked at 30 frames per second for playback of any kind and the same kind of lock could be on the Evo Shift. However, given my personal results of being able to play 1080p video flawlessly, I very much doubt that this is the case.
Avi file extension is pretty old but that alone doesn't really tell you what codec is being used. I think avi might be a microsoft creation too. There are quite a few codecs dating back well over a decade or more which use the avi extension. Divx, xvid, and indeo are a few that I can remember off the top of my head. Mkv, some mp4, and m4v are mpeg 4 avc. Mkv is one of the codecs used in blu ray, so its not that old.
I am interested in what codec, audio channels with bitrate and video codec with bitrate, what bit color, etc. That might shed some light on what might be happening and why playback is the way it is.
I tried almost a dozen video players from the market that had between 4 to 5 stars and an old version of demo player. Some played very slow. Vital player and demo/divx had very slow playback for video. I think rockplayer demo was the only one I saw that had a choice between hardware or software decoding. Either one seemed to have the same results.
The video that was 800 resolution, with the mp4 avc reencode, played with higher framerate and pretty much syncd audio. There was a noticed studdering and not butter smooth of video. I haven't figured out the cause of that yet. The 1280x720 reencode played better than the master but the video skipped and studdered even worse. Some players handled av better than others but weren't perfect.
I am starting to think that it boils down to what do I want to do the most with my phone? Play games, watch videos, record audio and or video, text and email a lot, etc. I'm loosing interest in being an intense gamer. If I want to watch videos, why watch movies and shows on a tiny phone screen when I can use my laptop? I might do some video or audio recording. Granted this isn't a real camera or camcorder, but it will work in a pinch. I'm not really complaining about the phone. It will do what it was designed to do.
As I said before, these are just my observations and results after playing around with them. They aren't scientific. Some can say its flawed but actually I don't really care about that. I did these tests for myself and am sharing what I found out.
Maybe if I have some time, I will make a youtube video showing all this stuff happening. I wonder if I might have got a lemon phone... I should go by the sprint store and play with the display and see if it acts the same.
I've owned all three for extended periods of time and have rooted the Evo and Epic and tweaked the crap outta them both. The Epic is a complete POS period. Doesn't even deserve to be in the same conversation. Their GPU #s mean absolutely ZERO to me because if you place a piece of **** in a tuxedo, it's still a POS. The Evo was a great phone but did have a lot of lag ESPECIALLY in the browser (scroll, pinch to zoom, etc) Battery life was just plain humerous and the screen resolution was just so bad that everything looked like it was washed through bleach before making it to the display. The Evo Shift is the fastest of the 3 BY FAR! It has no lag thus far, incredible reaction times, excellent scrolling, amazing battery life, and a clearer display than the EVO. I can honestly say that I own the best phone Sprint has to offer and I can't wait to get some seriously crazy Kernals on this thing and OC the crap out of it.
Please Note: I hate qwerty keyboards and have never used it. I'm not thrilled about the screen size of the Shift but will GLADLY tolerate a smaller screen for the crazy fast processor and unbelievable battery life. Not to mention I feel like the build quality is much nicer than both the Epic (piece of plastic Shyte) or the Evo (Nice but just no contrast on the body...all looks like black plastic) The brushed metal frame with the lazer etched polished rim on the front of the Evo shift is just beautiful. The back has a very nice look and feel but I would have preferred a metal backside like the G2 to complete the theme setup by the front of the phone.
Can anyone with the EVO and Shift compare how they play games like pocket legends or dungeon defenders?
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Can anyone with the EVO and Shift compare how they play games like pocket legends or dungeon defenders?
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It's really hard to tell honestly. Very little difference if any. The Shift's GPUs are slightly better than the Evo but it's a little hard to tell. I played on my Shift and my sister's Evo...I call it a draw, maybe a slight edge in smoothness to the Shift but hardly noticeable.
You should odin the epic to dk28 aka froyo and then do these tests
There's too many inconsistents in your experimenting
But yeah once the shift gets Oc'd like the g2, then its good.
The epic can only oc to 1.2, 1.3 stable and 1.6 max from the last time I bothered with eclair a few months ago lol
There hasn't been any oc for the leaked froyo
Also, the keyboard on the epic looks nice, but misses keys. Everything I type from here on out wont b edited so you can see lol
The TP2 kb was the best. Idk why htc went with the g2 kb and left the tp2 in history :/
I think this test should be between the shift and g2 considering sprints phones are different beasts for different people lol
If samsung were to be on par with htc on software updates, I honestly don't think either of those phones would stand a chance against the epic
Also, 720p .mkv play great on the epic...even subtitles! But I believe its because samsung is usingthe codecs from rockplayer in the market for the galaxy s video player lol so I don't think that's a fair comparison since its basically atird party app
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The epic can only oc to 1.2, 1.3 stable and 1.6 max from the last time I bothered with eclair a few months ago lol
There hasn't been any oc for the leaked froyo
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The 1.6 was a fake. Was not truly 1.6ghz and that was brought up in the thread about the shift in the epic forums...
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My brother has an epic 4g and I have a shift 4g. From what I've noticed the only thing better about his phone is the way that the screen looks and the screen size. I tried loading up a blu-ray rip of avatar and I don't notice any artifacts, lag, or anything different between the two. The epic is faster in anything to do with gpu? Then why is it losing in benchmarks?
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I went to Radio Shack a few days ago to handle the Epic, Evo and the Shift. I ultimately decided on the Shift and here's why:
The Epic and Evo are just too big. I have fairly large hands (can palm a basketball) but I just couldn't stand the thought of something that large in my pocket; I prefer mobility.
The Evo doesn't have a keyboard, so it was automatically ruled out based on that one trait alone. The Epic has an additional row of buttons for the number keys, which I liked, but isn't necessary. The Epic's "drawer" (I saw someone call it that in this thread already), or the mechanism that allows the keyboard to slide out, felt cheap and loose.
Making the decision of buying the Shift was based on the keyboard, the smaller footprint, the better performing CPU and the price ($150 from RS on 2 year contract).
Ok, so I am digging this one out from over half a year ago, and I just wanted to see what people thought of the Shift vs Epic now that both have 2.3 and custom roms as I have a Shift at the moment but I can take it back and get the Epic for free. I was wondering as to which one performs better/smoother does better at call quality? I like the bigger screen and the number row on the keyboard.
The only thing I am going to say here is get the EVO Shift 4G if you are deciding between these three phones.
You ask why?
Simple
They are going to stop selling the EVO and the Epic come october that means no more updates or software support (except on XDA)
Thats just my 2 cents lol
Yea I got the Shift and not the Evo because of that (well and the actualy keyboard) but saw this week the epic went on sale for free and I know it has a biger and nicer screen and in many bench marks outclasses the shift. Though Is like to see how the shift compares when running asop and oc kernal, because correct me if I am wrong but the second gen snapdragon should out perform a first gen hummingbird that's in the epic?
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Yea I got the Shift and not the Evo because of that (well and the actualy keyboard) but saw this week the epic went on sale for free and I know it has a biger and nicer screen and in many bench marks outclasses the shift. Though Is like to see how the shift compares when running asop and oc kernal, because correct me if I am wrong but the second gen snapdragon should out perform a first gen hummingbird that's in the epic?
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Not really. yea the second gen snapdragon with adreno 205 does really help close the distance between the two chipsets but a hummingbird still will outperform the Snapdragon in the graphics department.
The Epic is a MUCH better phone all around.
Clearer and larger Screen, front facing camera, snappier. All that.
Only downfall is the battery life is going to make you regret getting it.
So, second choice is the Shift. I suggest you get that if you want a phone you can use all day.
Hey folks, so I found a Xoom I could buy instore today and after having a brief play with it I bought one for £479. I've been at home with it for a few hours now and I can't decide if I am happy with it. I'm not trying to start another 'lets slag the Xoom off thread', It's all totally stock at the moment, I haven't rooted or OC'd. I've just got a few questions to ask...
The screen isn't fantastic that's for sure and I get a lot of ghosting, I asume this is common place in Xooms? Also I am getting MAJOR lag when I use any live wallpapers, the tablet just stammers though, no menu transition is smooth coming into or away from the homescreen, also going into the app drawer with just a normal static picture I get a really choppy transtion back and forth, is this normal?
I was expecting the tablet to be a beast with a dual core CPU and a decent GPU. I know it's a new OS, so I am asuming when Google rolls out the updates things are going to be further optimized for Honeycomb and we can expect an all together smoother experience?
if you haven't yet, turn your xoom off then back on. That should fix at least the app drawer with a static picture. Some live wallpapers lad my screen and make it choppy, yet some don't.
Unfortunately the screen is also something I get a little worried too, also would like to know about the sound... what do you guys think... is it good?
Im also about to take the plunge, after being almos certain I would get an Asus Transformer... after seeing it side to side with the Xoom and the Acer Iconia... the Xoom takes the cake in design and size. Ill always love the Asus... but I think that bezel is just too much... and the plastic back :-( ....aswell as only 1.2mp front camera and so far only a 16gb model.
...also I think the Xoom will be more supported by the dev community, and being a dev myself lets go!
The sound is very, very good in my opinion. I was very impressed when I first played a video in YouTube. What's not so impressive is the lag the whole device seems to suffer from, especially web browsers, I get FCs from the stock browser and it's slow to scroll, and I mean slow I get good one and two second response delays when scrolling and the screen judders everywhere. It's the same with Dolphin HD and Miren Browser. It's almost like the processor is running at 100% while the web browser is open, my Desire runs Dolphin Browser HD (my stock web browser) flawlessly why can't the Xoom? This is surely software related?
I'm not hapy with the idea of having to overclock my Xoom to 1.5Ghz to get it to run as I would expect it to at stock clocks.
The sound is quite impressive inmy opinion. Quality is great and pretty high volume without any distortion.
I don't have too much trouble with the stock browser. At least not any more than my laptop. My guess is that the browser is not the most efficient code at the moment and proabably does not take advantage of both cores.
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I take it there is no word from Moto/Google of the SD update? I guess it'll come with various fixes and optimizations.