I have all 3 phones. I have tried running divx, mp4 and mkv through all of them. The resolutions vary between dvd up to 720p hdtv quality. I am sad to say that, this is just my unscientific opinion, the evo shift stock is not more powerful than the other two in real world testing. I've tested operating all three in stock rom form and the shift isn't the badass.
If you want to recreate these tests for yourself to see or prove me wrong then go ahead. Go find a 720p mkv tv show off torrents or something and try running them on these phones.
Each phone has it's strong points and weaknesses. It just depends on what are you wanting the phone to do and what is more important than another thing. In general games, the epic seems to have the higher and smoother frame rates. It does have the largest keyboard area of between the two. I found that with my big fingers, I was bumping keys next to the one I was trying to hit many more times than I do on the Shift. The Epic's drawer mechanism is pretty darn loose. The Epic in video recording had closer to the actual colors and less artifacting caused by too high compression when compared to the Evo. I have yet to test video on the Shift much. I cannot record at the highest video resolution with the Epic without an error message coming up. The video is always corrupted when it crashes. If I do short recording sessions of just a few seconds, the epic looks better to me than the Evo. The Evo compresses too much and it shows in playback. The Evo will continue to record and not crash though when it is in highest resolution. Epic's high quality audio recording really sucks. It skips and studders. Both Evos sound great without any complaints. The screen on the Epic looks nicer and has richer looking colors than both Evos. Black is really black on the Epic. The colors might be richer but they exaggerate the saturation when comparing to whatever it is you are filming in real life.
The Epic seems to have more sensitive radios than the Evo but not the Shift, it hears just a little bit better than the Epic. I don't know who wins for battery life but I do know the Evo is in last place for runtime on a single charge.
Running the operating system on all three, the Evo seems quickest, Epic second, and the Shift in third. I'm talking about noticing hiccups, studders, temporary lockups and delayed reactions to screen touches. The Evo is very sensitive to the touch, the Shift second and Epic last. I found too many times I was talking back to the Epic, telling it to hurry up or come on!
The Epic takes a long time to charge and I haven't seen it be able to charge and use the device at the same time and actually increase battery capacity. I have seen both the Evos be able to charge and run at the same time.
Another thing I tried was pinch zooming in and out with the stock browser and see how smooth and fast it was. The Evo was definitely quick, followed closely by the Epic and Shift in last place with quick yet jerky zooming.
In closing, to be fair, the Evo has had the most official updates since first release. The epic has had a few updates too. The Shift is less than a week old. Evos are running 2.2 and Epic 2.1 so take some of that under consideration for speed too. I might be wrong but I would speculate that the Epic would be even faster when/if it finally goes to froyo. How would that stack up with the Evo? I don't know. It all comes down to what do you want in order of importance? For physical keyboards, I'm making less mistakes by hitting nearby keys with the Shift than the Epic.
Do any of you have two or all three of these phones? What are your observations? I'm not saying that these things I've said are facts per se, just my personal observations and impressions after using them. You mileage will most likely vary.
Well here is my take.
First: I do not have any of the above phones but I will be getting on soon.
I went into a Sprint store last night to get the shift, walked out not getting anything yet. Here is why.
To me currently its between 2 EVOs as I do not trust Samsung to fix or update anything, even if they roll out 2.2 or even 2.3 (skipping 2.2 as a Sprint employee suggested that Samsung is doing - I don't trust that but... whatever I have an Instinct and they dropped a ball on that with bugs glaring issues still in it).
So between the 2 EVOs here is what I see , any input would be welcomed.
Shift has better battery life, keyboard, smaller foot print, seems it should be faster at playing movies.
EVO thinner, larger screen.
So for me the keyboard is not a huge selling feature, I like it, but can easily live without it. Then there was an employee at the Sprint store with EVO and Extended battery. From all I've read/heard the extended battery on EVO should last at least as long as the stock on Shift. When I put both phones on the table the EVO was a smidgen thiker (with the extended battery) then the Shift.
So the way I see it the battery issue, is a non issue, between EVO and Shift so whats left is screen and keyboard.
I guess I will be selecting screen size, as bigger browser is a better experience, the way I see it.
From the above I am not sure I understand what is smoother playing videos (from the memory card) ?
Also is there any EVO issues (like connector problems, screen peeling ...) that I should put into my decision. Seems like where there but now are minimal if any.
I had an epic from launch which I traded for an evo two days ago and I bought my wife a shift on tuesday. While I may not have the epic right here to test I can assure you that I've run it through it's paces quite often.
First and foremost there is one glaring flaw in your testing and that is that the epic is running eclair which lacks the JIT speed enhancements and there fore its at a disadvantage. Second you even with that I have seen first hand how much more graphics processing power the epic has than the shift or even the evo.
As I started in your other thread about this, the shift has a second gen snap dragon whereas the evo has the first. Its a more powerful chip that has been underclocked exactly like it was in the desire z which has a stable overclock kernel running at 1.9ghz. The evo tops out at 1.2 and the epic overclocking was not "true" so its hard to judge that.
On to charging: my epic would charge to full from around 20% in about 4 hours while on and about 2 while off. I have not been able to thoroughly test the shift or the evo yet however I can say that I used to charge and use my epic all the time and it still charged very quickly.
Oh also for battery tests you have to keep in mind that while an lcd takes the same amount of power to display all colors a SAMOLED does not. Black requires no power and knowing that using dark themes as well as other tweaks I generally got about 28 hours per charge on the epic.
To sum up, I don't know a lot about .mkv files but I do know a lot about these three phones and here is what I know: the epic will always out perform the others on graphical tests. The evo and the epic will be close on productivity tests however the shift will be over clocked and will destroy the other two in productivity.
Edit sorry forgot to mention updates! The evo has received many major updates and tweaks that have made it a better device. The epic has received two and neither had fixed anything. One of them did make it so you could give samsung more money.
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I have the Epic and the Shift and I really believe the Shift runs better than the Epic in the real world enviornment. I havnt tested 720 mkv's though. Are you using the same SD card on each device when testing?
I find the Shift most def faster than the og evo in every aspect. I havn't had one lag, hickup or anything what-so-ever.
My browser doesnt have any lag at all when I pinch zoom in and out multiple times as fast as I can. Are you sure there isnt something running in the backround hendering your performace on your Shift? I truely believe when we overclock this thing its gonna smash on both phones minus the graphics of the Epic.
Considering I've messed with the EVO a ton and my friends with og EVO's say my phone is def faster in all aspects we could test at the time. I'm thinking maybe your device isnt running up to par for some reason...Or maybe I got a lucky device because my phone has been flawless (except for the signal drop when holding the base of the phone) for me and even lasted over 48 hours on 1 charge with light use.
Someone was mentioning speed improvements with jit. There's all kinds of ways to boost speed, the way I tested was stock rooted with official up to date roms.
I have just copied two shows that were converted from 1280x720 3700kbps video bitrate mkv. The video bitrate on both after re-encoding was 2000. One video I left the same 1280x720 and the other I converted down to the screen resolution of the phone 800x448. I am surprised that BOTH are 657.8mb regardless of resolution. My common sense is telling me this should not be. It's telling me the 1280 video should be larger in mb than the 800. I don't understand what the deal is but I'm not going to focus on that. I did this whole conversion with handbrake, bringing the audio down to 2 channel stereo, 48khz, 160kbps audio. I will play these and report back on what I find. I'm guessing the Shift and others won't have any problems since I backed the video bitrate way down. Playback on the computer, I'm surprised I can't tell the difference at fullscreen from the original....
I mentioned the jit improvements because only the epic doesn't have it. I'm not sure why there being "a ways to boost speed" negates the fact that any device running 2.2 or higher will have these speed boosts, which both the Evo and the Evo shift do but the Epic does not. You are effectively testing win xp against win7. Its just a bad test.
Further, its mostly moot because if you want your device to perform better you can (or will be able to in the case of the Shift) install custom roms that will outperform a stock phone any day.
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Now that I'm on my computer and can do a little research I looked up the .mkv format. To be honest, its a rather old standard and that could be the issue you're having. As I stated previously in the other thread, I test a 1080p .avi episode of 30 Rock and noticed no hiccups or stuttering at all on either my (very non-stock) Evo and my wife's Shift. It ran perfectly. Since you are using Handbrake, I'm not sure why you're using mkv as opposed to avi as in my experience avi's tend to run a whole hell of a lot smoother than most other video formats and it is works on pretty much all video players.
There is one other very real possibility that has not been discussed: When the Evo first came out and for a long time it was locked at 30 frames per second for playback of any kind and the same kind of lock could be on the Evo Shift. However, given my personal results of being able to play 1080p video flawlessly, I very much doubt that this is the case.
Avi file extension is pretty old but that alone doesn't really tell you what codec is being used. I think avi might be a microsoft creation too. There are quite a few codecs dating back well over a decade or more which use the avi extension. Divx, xvid, and indeo are a few that I can remember off the top of my head. Mkv, some mp4, and m4v are mpeg 4 avc. Mkv is one of the codecs used in blu ray, so its not that old.
I am interested in what codec, audio channels with bitrate and video codec with bitrate, what bit color, etc. That might shed some light on what might be happening and why playback is the way it is.
I tried almost a dozen video players from the market that had between 4 to 5 stars and an old version of demo player. Some played very slow. Vital player and demo/divx had very slow playback for video. I think rockplayer demo was the only one I saw that had a choice between hardware or software decoding. Either one seemed to have the same results.
The video that was 800 resolution, with the mp4 avc reencode, played with higher framerate and pretty much syncd audio. There was a noticed studdering and not butter smooth of video. I haven't figured out the cause of that yet. The 1280x720 reencode played better than the master but the video skipped and studdered even worse. Some players handled av better than others but weren't perfect.
I am starting to think that it boils down to what do I want to do the most with my phone? Play games, watch videos, record audio and or video, text and email a lot, etc. I'm loosing interest in being an intense gamer. If I want to watch videos, why watch movies and shows on a tiny phone screen when I can use my laptop? I might do some video or audio recording. Granted this isn't a real camera or camcorder, but it will work in a pinch. I'm not really complaining about the phone. It will do what it was designed to do.
As I said before, these are just my observations and results after playing around with them. They aren't scientific. Some can say its flawed but actually I don't really care about that. I did these tests for myself and am sharing what I found out.
Maybe if I have some time, I will make a youtube video showing all this stuff happening. I wonder if I might have got a lemon phone... I should go by the sprint store and play with the display and see if it acts the same.
I've owned all three for extended periods of time and have rooted the Evo and Epic and tweaked the crap outta them both. The Epic is a complete POS period. Doesn't even deserve to be in the same conversation. Their GPU #s mean absolutely ZERO to me because if you place a piece of **** in a tuxedo, it's still a POS. The Evo was a great phone but did have a lot of lag ESPECIALLY in the browser (scroll, pinch to zoom, etc) Battery life was just plain humerous and the screen resolution was just so bad that everything looked like it was washed through bleach before making it to the display. The Evo Shift is the fastest of the 3 BY FAR! It has no lag thus far, incredible reaction times, excellent scrolling, amazing battery life, and a clearer display than the EVO. I can honestly say that I own the best phone Sprint has to offer and I can't wait to get some seriously crazy Kernals on this thing and OC the crap out of it.
Please Note: I hate qwerty keyboards and have never used it. I'm not thrilled about the screen size of the Shift but will GLADLY tolerate a smaller screen for the crazy fast processor and unbelievable battery life. Not to mention I feel like the build quality is much nicer than both the Epic (piece of plastic Shyte) or the Evo (Nice but just no contrast on the body...all looks like black plastic) The brushed metal frame with the lazer etched polished rim on the front of the Evo shift is just beautiful. The back has a very nice look and feel but I would have preferred a metal backside like the G2 to complete the theme setup by the front of the phone.
Can anyone with the EVO and Shift compare how they play games like pocket legends or dungeon defenders?
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Can anyone with the EVO and Shift compare how they play games like pocket legends or dungeon defenders?
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It's really hard to tell honestly. Very little difference if any. The Shift's GPUs are slightly better than the Evo but it's a little hard to tell. I played on my Shift and my sister's Evo...I call it a draw, maybe a slight edge in smoothness to the Shift but hardly noticeable.
You should odin the epic to dk28 aka froyo and then do these tests
There's too many inconsistents in your experimenting
But yeah once the shift gets Oc'd like the g2, then its good.
The epic can only oc to 1.2, 1.3 stable and 1.6 max from the last time I bothered with eclair a few months ago lol
There hasn't been any oc for the leaked froyo
Also, the keyboard on the epic looks nice, but misses keys. Everything I type from here on out wont b edited so you can see lol
The TP2 kb was the best. Idk why htc went with the g2 kb and left the tp2 in history :/
I think this test should be between the shift and g2 considering sprints phones are different beasts for different people lol
If samsung were to be on par with htc on software updates, I honestly don't think either of those phones would stand a chance against the epic
Also, 720p .mkv play great on the epic...even subtitles! But I believe its because samsung is usingthe codecs from rockplayer in the market for the galaxy s video player lol so I don't think that's a fair comparison since its basically atird party app
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The epic can only oc to 1.2, 1.3 stable and 1.6 max from the last time I bothered with eclair a few months ago lol
There hasn't been any oc for the leaked froyo
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The 1.6 was a fake. Was not truly 1.6ghz and that was brought up in the thread about the shift in the epic forums...
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My brother has an epic 4g and I have a shift 4g. From what I've noticed the only thing better about his phone is the way that the screen looks and the screen size. I tried loading up a blu-ray rip of avatar and I don't notice any artifacts, lag, or anything different between the two. The epic is faster in anything to do with gpu? Then why is it losing in benchmarks?
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I went to Radio Shack a few days ago to handle the Epic, Evo and the Shift. I ultimately decided on the Shift and here's why:
The Epic and Evo are just too big. I have fairly large hands (can palm a basketball) but I just couldn't stand the thought of something that large in my pocket; I prefer mobility.
The Evo doesn't have a keyboard, so it was automatically ruled out based on that one trait alone. The Epic has an additional row of buttons for the number keys, which I liked, but isn't necessary. The Epic's "drawer" (I saw someone call it that in this thread already), or the mechanism that allows the keyboard to slide out, felt cheap and loose.
Making the decision of buying the Shift was based on the keyboard, the smaller footprint, the better performing CPU and the price ($150 from RS on 2 year contract).
Ok, so I am digging this one out from over half a year ago, and I just wanted to see what people thought of the Shift vs Epic now that both have 2.3 and custom roms as I have a Shift at the moment but I can take it back and get the Epic for free. I was wondering as to which one performs better/smoother does better at call quality? I like the bigger screen and the number row on the keyboard.
The only thing I am going to say here is get the EVO Shift 4G if you are deciding between these three phones.
You ask why?
Simple
They are going to stop selling the EVO and the Epic come october that means no more updates or software support (except on XDA)
Thats just my 2 cents lol
Yea I got the Shift and not the Evo because of that (well and the actualy keyboard) but saw this week the epic went on sale for free and I know it has a biger and nicer screen and in many bench marks outclasses the shift. Though Is like to see how the shift compares when running asop and oc kernal, because correct me if I am wrong but the second gen snapdragon should out perform a first gen hummingbird that's in the epic?
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Yea I got the Shift and not the Evo because of that (well and the actualy keyboard) but saw this week the epic went on sale for free and I know it has a biger and nicer screen and in many bench marks outclasses the shift. Though Is like to see how the shift compares when running asop and oc kernal, because correct me if I am wrong but the second gen snapdragon should out perform a first gen hummingbird that's in the epic?
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Not really. yea the second gen snapdragon with adreno 205 does really help close the distance between the two chipsets but a hummingbird still will outperform the Snapdragon in the graphics department.
The Epic is a MUCH better phone all around.
Clearer and larger Screen, front facing camera, snappier. All that.
Only downfall is the battery life is going to make you regret getting it.
So, second choice is the Shift. I suggest you get that if you want a phone you can use all day.
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I had been having ALOT of trouble with scrolling in text messages as well as websites absolutely sucking, and always jumping around when i wasnt touching the screen. I noticed in another forum that people who were having this problem (including me) have almost constant 3g data connections (the light in the tool bar is always lit). Initially I tried rebooting, and using advanced task kill to see if i could kill whatever the data hog was, but it didnt help.
I then discovered that by going to the settings in advanced task killer and setting security to low, that by killing everything (aka the tons of htc.* crap) that my 3g light no longer was lit like a christmas tree, and that scrolling actually worked. Everything on this phone seems snappier now, but maybe that is just a placebo effect. Either way im just happy I can actually read my older text messages again Give it a try if you cant scroll. Maybe someone wiser than I can figure what specific app is ****ing up the data connection. I dont think it is anything I installed, since I was already killing those with the normal security settings.
P.s. **** htc. If I wasn't stuck on my parent's plan I would jump ship on this p.o.s.
Root and remove the ****.
Jump ship to what? This phone has the best hardware specs of any US device to date...
Yeah, root and remove the sprint crap. I even removed Sense UI, and I have never had a lag problem. Even using 'overclock widget' to downscale dramatically when the phone is "turned off ".
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Jump ship to what? This phone has the best hardware specs of any US device to date...
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other than the screen size and 4g it's got the same specs as phones that came out months ago.
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other than the screen size and 4g it's got the same specs as phones that came out months ago.
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HDMI, 8mp rear camera, front camera, and kickstand are the reasons I got it. Not screen size or 4g.
The only phone with similar specs (out right now) is the N900. It lacks the HDMI, has lower mp cameras (but they are likely better), has the outstanding 32gb of internal storage, and is every bit as hackable. Unfortunately, Nokia has essentially abandoned that phone otherwise I would be all over it.
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Btw, I have 2 Evo's, they are going back before the 30 days is up.
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I frequent 3-4 boards and I'll never get why people must rub in everyones face how the "EVO sucks" and how they're going to "return it". IF I was going to return my phone I wouldn't waste anymore time in forums, MUCH less take the time to tell everyone how much the EVO sux.
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You should see the Samsung Galaxy S videos and benchmarks. It's got the Evo beat pretty much everywhere.
www DOT gsmarena DOT com/samsung_i9000_galaxy_s-review-478.php[/url]
Btw, I have 2 Evo's, they are going back before the 30 days is up.
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Cool story.
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You should see the Samsung Galaxy S videos and benchmarks. It's got the Evo beat pretty much everywhere.
www DOT gsmarena DOT com/samsung_i9000_galaxy_s-review-478.php[/url]
Btw, I have 2 Evo's, they are going back before the 30 days is up.
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Samsung isn't the manufacturer you want to go to if you are upset with HTC's build quality (Samsung's current Android phone hardware track record is extremely checkered).
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I frequent 3-4 boards and I'll never get why people must rub in everyones face how the "EVO sucks" and how they're going to "return it". IF I was going to return my phone I wouldn't waste anymore time in forums, MUCH less take the time to tell everyone how much the EVO sux.
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spiicytuna said:
I frequent 3-4 boards and I'll never get why people must rub in everyones face how the "EVO sucks" and how they're going to "return it". IF I was going to return my phone I wouldn't waste anymore time in forums, MUCH less take the time to tell everyone how much the EVO sux.
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THIS. Sorry if this comes off as rude but seriously, it's getting tiring hearing people try to say this phone sucks and rubbing it in EVO owners' faces. It's a great phone even despite its downfalls. There are plenty of us who don't have all of the glaring problems. If you want a Galaxy S or a Droid X or a Droid 2 or a Droid Incredible then stop wasting your own time visitng the EVO forum and return your phone already. I swear, it's like people need to justify the fact that they bought something that they ultimately ended up not liking.
Point blank: If you don't like the phone and you want to return it, then DO it, instead of declaring it in every post and trying to rain on satisfied customers' parade.
As to the actual topic:
I'll try this in a second. I wasn't really having much lag or scrolling issues in the first place though. I think some EVOs are just defective.
I do have a question though: Did anyone notice that the amount of touch/scrolling lag seems to depend on the app that you're using? For example when I scroll in the app menu, it lags quite a bit before it starts scrolling. But in Handcent and Touiteur, I barely have any lag at all. The scrolling is also smoother in those apps as opposed to, say, the Engadget app which has some highly noticeable jerkiness to the text when you scroll really slow.
Is this an issue that the developers of the app control?
Edit: I did notice that things were a wee bit snappier accross the board but scrolling still seems about the same for me.
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I frequent 3-4 boards and I'll never get why people must rub in everyones face how the "EVO sucks" and how they're going to "return it". IF I was going to return my phone I wouldn't waste anymore time in forums, MUCH less take the time to tell everyone how much the EVO sux.
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I'm of the belief that people come to these forums because they do have an attachment to the EVO, and while they are upset about something, they are looking for reasons to keep the phone.
They want convincing evidence that they were correct in making the decision to purchase the EVO.
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You should see the Samsung Galaxy S videos and benchmarks. It's got the Evo beat pretty much everywhere.
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Btw, I have 2 Evo's, they are going back before the 30 days is up.
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Where does it have the Evo beat????
from the link you so kindly provided....
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Key features
* Quad-band GSM and tri-band 3G support
* 7.2 Mbps HSDPA and 5.76 Mbps HSUPA support
* 4" 16M-color Super AMOLED capacitive touchscreen of WVGA (480 x 800 pixel) resolution
* Android OS v2.1 with TouchWiz 3.0 UI customization
* 1GHz Cortex A8 Hummingbird CPU; 512 MB of RAM
* 5 MP autofocus camera with face, smile and blink detection
* 720p HD video recording at 30fps
* Wi-Fi 802.11 b, g and n support
* GPS with A-GPS connectivity; Digital compass
* 8/16GB internal storage, microSD slot
* Accelerometer and proximity sensor
* Standard 3.5 mm audio jack
* microUSB port (charging) and stereo Bluetooth v3.0
* Stereo FM radio with RDS
* 1500 mAh Li-Ion battery
* Great audio quality
* Slim waistline at only 9.9mm thickness
* Document editor
* File manager comes preinstalled
* Secondary video-call camera
* Swype predictive text input
* Excellent choice of preinstalled applications
Main disadvantages
* No free GPS navigation solution
* No Flash support for the web browser
* No flash for the camera
* No dedicated camera key
* The all-plastic body is a real fingerprint magnet
* Feeble loudspeaker
Only thing it has is its internal storage which means nothing to me, I have 2 16GB, and 3 or 4 8GB cards. Space is erroneous in this day and age. Oh, and the Super AMOLED screen. That i have no argument for, even though its the same resolution, but .3" smaller.... And no word on a Froyo update for it yet. Awesome!
So yeah... I feel like you're kidding yourself.
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As for lag, I have none. However, my phone wasnt stock for very long. I have removed Rosie, and all the Sprint apps. I use LauncherPro Beta for my home replacement. I have OC Widget set to underclock when the screen is off, and have AutoKiller running at 'Extreme' (I think since we have so much ram the lesser presets dont really do much). Also with my setup Im sure i could go at least 12 hours off the charger with moderate to heavy use.
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All you guys who say your Evo has no lag: I have a friend who also has and Evo and swears there is no touch/scroll lag on it at all... I checked it out, it's 100% there. Later that day, I played around with his MacBook Pro - same thing. The mouse is lagging 0.1-0.2 seconds behind my movement... I guess his claim of "no lag at all" was simply because he's used to it on his computer
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All you guys who say your Evo has no lag: I have a friend who also has and Evo and swears there is no touch/scroll lag on it at all... I checked it out, it's 100% there. Later that day, I played around with his MacBook Pro - same thing. The mouse is lagging 0.1-0.2 seconds behind my movement... I guess his claim of "no lag at all" was simply because he's used to it on his computer
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His Macbook Pro lags? One, i doubt that, and two are you saying that those of us "claiming" not to have lag are just making it up? Because my Evo runs flawless. I know there are better setups than mine, even an overclocked one, but I like how my phone is and truthfully there is NO lag. Not when scrolling, nor on the keyboard (which is where i usually noticed lag on my Hero, even when it was overclocked).
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I'm running froyo v8 and there is no lag.
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So yeah... I feel like you're kidding yourself.
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You are forgetting the hummingbird processor which is more powerful than the snapdragon in the evo. Internal storage is important when the memory card is under the battery. As you said, the screen is better than the evo's 65k color screen. It also doesn't have the 30fps limit "feature". You are fooling yourself if you don't think the galaxy s is at least a competitive phone, if not better.
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His Macbook Pro lags? One, i doubt that, and two are you saying that those of us "claiming" not to have lag are just making it up?
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Yes, his MacBook Pro lags, but only the mouse tracking, not the whole system... tho I ended up fixing it by installing appropriate drivers and now mouse is as snappy as any other Windows based computer. now he DOES see the difference
No, I'm not saying that all make up those claims, not at all... just saying not all those "claims" are true, as was the case with my friend's Evo.
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You are forgetting the hummingbird processor which is more powerful than the snapdragon in the evo. Internal storage is important when the memory card is under the battery. As you said, the screen is better than the evo's 65k color screen. It also doesn't have the 30fps limit "feature". You are fooling yourself if you don't think the galaxy s is at least a competitive phone, if not better.
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Weird, I thought 1ghz, and 1ghz were the same regardless of the maker... And i said storage is erroneous to ME. Also, if i need sixty billion colors i'll watch a blu ray on my HDTV.... not while trying to browse the web on a 4 inch display.... Also i never said it wouldnt be a competitor...
Quick question where can i check out one of these Galaxy phones? Thats right there not available. So until they come out and everyone has had a chance to play with it and find its flaws, just like the Evo and every other electronic device trying to live up to its own hype, then we shall see who is competing with who.
EDIT: Also if we are just comparing specs, then why not throw the HD2 in the ring? Should that be a competitor too?
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Yes, his MacBook Pro lags, but only the mouse tracking, not the whole system... tho I ended up fixing it by installing appropriate drivers and now mouse is as snappy as any other Windows based computer. now he DOES see the difference
No, I'm not saying that all make up those claims, not at all... just saying not all those "claims" are true, as was the case with my friend's Evo.
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Ahh ok. I was going to say... My Blackbook is over two years old and still runs like a beast, but that could be the 4GB of RAM and the 7200rpm HD.
For the record though, mine arent claims, and i seriously believe that if Sprint didnt load all those crappy apps, and HTC would optimize Sense no one would have lag. With out the Sprint apps or Sense UI how could this phone not be blazing fast. I cant wait to play with a fully functional Froyo ROM. The improvements should yield a user noticeable difference.
I'm a new HTC Aria owner and with all the research I did before my purchase I seemed to have missed the fact that this is an ARMv6 processor. I see now that certain applications require ARMv7 (Google Earth is an example), or seem to prefer ARMv7 (Firefox Fennec).
So here's my question: Should I care that much about ARMv6 vs. ARMv7? Will I end up unable to use most (or perhaps "key") Market-Place applications because of the "old" chip?
I have two weeks to return this device or I'm stuck. And I know I'm sort of asking a loaded question. But I'd like to hear some ranting and raving on both sides of the issue, so I can read, think, and make a better-informed choice.
Let me thank everyone in advance for some useful, civil, discussion! ;-)
The reason I kept my aria was for its size. It fits perfect in my pocket. Other android devices boast screen size but the larger devices feel awkward. I haven't had any issues with what I do on my phone. It really boils down to what you look for in a phone.
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I'm a new HTC Aria owner and with all the research I did before my purchase I seemed to have missed the fact that this is an ARMv6 processor. I see now that certain applications require ARMv7 (Google Earth is an example), or seem to prefer ARMv7 (Firefox Fennec).
So here's my question: Should I care that much about ARMv6 vs. ARMv7? Will I end up unable to use most (or perhaps "key") Market-Place applications because of the "old" chip?
I have two weeks to return this device or I'm stuck. And I know I'm sort of asking a loaded question. But I'd like to hear some ranting and raving on both sides of the issue, so I can read, think, and make a better-informed choice.
Let me thank everyone in advance for some useful, civil, discussion! ;-)
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Yes, you will regret it... I know I did... the Aria seems fine at the beginning.. but them there come the limitations of an old chip.... and is not fun anymore... so no Full Flash,, no google earth, no firefox.... no cool 3d games... no 720p video recording, etc... I'm waiting for my Samsung Vibrant to arrive tomorrow... so I can sell the Aria....
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Yes, you will regret it... I know I did... the Aria seems fine at the beginning.. but them there come the limitations of an old chip.... and is not fun anymore... so no Full Flash,, no google earth, no firefox.... no cool 3d games... no 720p video recording, etc... I'm waiting for my Samsung Vibrant to arrive tomorrow... so I can sell the Aria....
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Amen.
Honestly, when you are shopping for a phone there are so many choices that it is almost like car shopping. You commit to two years and are basically married to the thing. The reasons why you buy an Aria over a Captivate are because of its size, it's construction, it's form factor (subjective, sure, but this is a DAMN SEXY phone), etc. It can do many dinky doinky things just fine (push email, calendar, yadda yadda). But if your desire is to have something that is more "fully loaded" so that you can run any app, then yes, get something more hard core.
I use DVD Fab on my home PC to rip movie files into WMV format, and with ES File Explorer I can watch "The Godfather" with my stereo bluetooth headset while on the eliptical at the gym. I use an eReader, I social network, and I play all my music while I study/workout/drive somewhere.
These are my reasons for owning an Aria, but every pot has a lid and your mileage my vary.
As it's been said, it's really your own decision, but I thought I'd comment on the few apps you mentioned. The things you said you're missing out on are pretty much Flash, Google Earth, Fennec not being optimized, and maybe some higher quality video support.
Flash is the big one here since on the basic web it does help make browsing a full featured experience. So if you browse the web a ton and make use of Flash then you'll notice it. For me I don't really notice a lack of flash, especially since there's an app for a lot of stuff that would normally use it. Also, more things are going to HTML5 and away from Flash.
Google Earth is honestly just a toy on the phone. I can see having fun with it, but not any practical uses. Firefox Fennec is honestly bloated. Even if it did run well on the phone it's current install is 33mb. That's pretty large for a phone app. I use Chrome and Chrome to Phone to sync bookmarks and the like. As far as video support goes, the Aria doesn't have a high resolution and it's not really a media-centric phone. If you're planning on watching a lot of stuff I'd say go for the Captivate.
Anyway, I love my Aria. It was inexpensive, it's small, yet still powerful, and I think it works great for any practical uses.
I've been using my Aria for 2 months, and I've experienced no "limitations". I watch youtube videos, download market apps, play games, take pictures, record movies, listen to music, browse the internet, post on forums, plan trips.
I haven't found one thing yet that I wanted to do with my phone that I couldn't. I've used a Captivate, and I still prefer my Aria, especially now that we have CM6 w/ FroYo.
But this is just my experience. Your mileage may vary.
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I have to agree with the others. I've been an Aria owner for a little over two months so far. This little phone is a quite capable device. I got a chance to fool around with the captivate and idk but it didn't really feel right. Sure it probably has the best hardware atm but in reality, it's still a samsung. Never been really a fan of samsung, sorry.
As for flash 10.1, I read page with a list of all the phones that were to get flash. The Aria was one of the phones listed..I think it was listed on gizmodo or engadget, one of those sites. I thought it was interesting seeing it there. Now I can't seem to find the site but I swear it was listed lol.
Anyways this is my first actual smartphone and I'm quite happy with it. I was in the prehistoric age with my SE W810i lol...I figured this phone will keep me occupied till the dual cores with better battery life come out =P
Edit btw..this thread may be of interest to you:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=767565
well.. I got my Samsung Vibrant yesterday... I have to say... the Vibrant is superior to the Aria in every aspect.
Is so thin,, it fits better in the back pocket that the Aria, after applying the lag fix the phone is extremely fast and smooth. The screen is just amazing when compared to the Aria... ahhh and watching movies is a hole new experience... Now I can play the 3D games I like... like (Let's Golf and Asphalt 3d), now I have Live wallpapers without lags. 720p Video Recording... whoooo... and I can stream those movies right to my TV using DLNA. the Aria is a cute little phone... but is like comparing a Mini S (Aria) vs. Porsche 911 (Vibrant).
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Amen.
Honestly, when you are shopping for a phone there are so many choices that it is almost like car shopping. You commit to two years and are basically married to the thing. The reasons why you buy an Aria over a Captivate are because of its size, it's construction, it's form factor (subjective, sure, but this is a DAMN SEXY phone), etc. It can do many dinky doinky things just fine (push email, calendar, yadda yadda). But if your desire is to have something that is more "fully loaded" so that you can run any app, then yes, get something more hard core.
I use DVD Fab on my home PC to rip movie files into WMV format, and with ES File Explorer I can watch "The Godfather" with my stereo bluetooth headset while on the eliptical at the gym. I use an eReader, I social network, and I play all my music while I study/workout/drive somewhere.
These are my reasons for owning an Aria, but every pot has a lid and your mileage my vary.
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Can't agree more. To me the Captivate is too bulky in comparison, the Aria is quite the attractive phone. While it may not have the size screen the Captivate does, it is still an impressive screen. The previous poster mentioned being able to play 3-D games on the Captivate, but I'm not sure if that was meant to say the Aria can't or...? I don't play a lot of games on my phone, I use it generally more for music, video, organization, etc. but I do have some games, including Let's Golf and while I'm sure it runs better on the Captivate, I don't have any issues running and playing it on the Aria. Also, I never have any issues with LWP lagging. To be honest, in CM6, I never have any performance issues whatsoever, granted I don't do much 3-D gaming, but I did buy it for it's smartphone features, not really to game (obviously you may be more interested in gaming than I).
I had the opportunity to trade my Aria in for a Captivate, with about 2 weeks to think it over, in which time I did a lot of reading and used the Captivate in the store several times, and this was pre-CM6. I 100% do not regret my decision in staying with the Aria. The device is quite capable of majority of what you will throw it's way and it'll definitely do it well. Just to put this out there, I know MANY Droid users that are still using their Droid's today without a single complaint as far as performance, and some of their specs are slightly lower than the Aria. If you want a powerhouse, the Captivate is clearly the better choice, but you shouldn't let lack of power deter you from buying an Aria, because it definitely holds its own. Plus, in MY opinion, HTC > Samsung hands down in countless ways; construction, quality, feel, support, etc.
As a side note, there is a Kernal out there to overclock it. I personally haven't used it but my guess it'll bring you within about 200mhz of the Captivate
Oh, and one last thing. Be sure to not take the comments here as immediate fact (in either direction), not accusing, but it was almost implied that the Aria is not capable of certain things that it really is. Make sure to do some more of your own research before you make that final decision.
As far as flash goes, we may not have it right now, but as someone mentioned there are plenty of apps/mobile versions that I hardly notice it and with a community as great as the Android one I wouldn't be suprised to see flash support on the Aria sometime in the future.
Full flash requires instructions from ARMv7 architecture, so says Cyanogen.
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well.. I got my Samsung Vibrant yesterday... I have to say... the Vibrant is superior to the Aria in every aspect.
Is so thin,, it fits better in the back pocket that the Aria, after applying the lag fix the phone is extremely fast and smooth. The screen is just amazing when compared to the Aria... ahhh and watching movies is a hole new experience... Now I can play the 3D games I like... like (Let's Golf and Asphalt 3d), now I have Live wallpapers without lags. 720p Video Recording... whoooo... and I can stream those movies right to my TV using DLNA. the Aria is a cute little phone... but is like comparing a Mini S (Aria) vs. Porsche 911 (Vibrant).
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Did you bother reading the specifications of the Aria prior to buying one? It really doesn't seem like it judging from your two posts in this thread. I hope you don't end up sitting on your Vibrant
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Did you bother reading the specifications of the Aria prior to buying one? It really doesn't seem like it judging from your two posts in this thread. I hope you don't end up sitting on your Vibrant
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I have both phones right know the Vibrant and the Aria.. so I can compare... been using both for 2 days now(been with the Aria for 2 months) the problem with the Aria is its CPU is old ARMv6 by the end of the year everyone with an Aria will be looking for something else..... Vibrant still ahead... The Aria is good I like it... but is not an entertainment device like the Vibrant is.
I got the Aria for the form factor.
I considered the Captivate but it's a big phone and the display had a blue tint that looked like ****.
By the end of the year we will have phones with dual core cpu's anyway and everyone with a Vibrant will want one.
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how do you know thar aria have ARMv6 ?
wildfire what do it have ?
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If HTC can make Flash Lite work, I'd put my money on this incredibly talented Android community to do SOMETHING in that field. Not saying that the Aria will receive 100% full Adobe Flash support, but I wouldn't say it'll never get any.
By the end of the year we will have phones with dual core cpu's anyway and everyone with a Vibrant will want one.
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Quoted for truth. To say the Aria isn't an entertainment device is pure slander, it entertains the hell out of me. Just because it doesn't have as big a screen or as great a processor doesn't mean it can't play videos, music, games, the like. Not everyone needs the top of the line device to provide them entertainment or satisfaction.
coming from a samsung galaxy s capable of 60fps , i bought a dell streak for a gaming device because of the screen size, to find put its only capable of 30fps???
every game i pop in there plays very jittery , angry birds for example, when u launch the bird its very very jittery and blurry when the bird flys and actually gives me eye strain and a headache, so before i bring back my att dell streak is froyo 2.2 guaranteed to lift the 30fps plague??
most likely not. from the looks of the ****ty roms from dell, its not promising at all. if you're looking for performance, might as well buy a desire hd or something. htc has much more experience in making android.
damn sucks , welp gunna get a refund from.dell now , thanks for the reply
And BTW Don't forget that the Galaxy S haves 3 times faster GPU than the Streak!
there's phones with way less power then the streak thats able to do 60 fps,
at 30fps the screen really bothers my eye while scrolling, the problem is the phone is CAPPED at 30fps , im just confused on why dell would choose that root knowing this is there first phone, usually first impressions are a must
Probably because of the HDMI out option in the phone.
Shame on Dell, this phone sounded like a dream a year ago.
They released too late.
The hardware is rather old now.
30fps cap
Proprietary connector
android 1.6
Phone was DOA per the above.
how much bull can there be in a thread?
the 30fps cap is down to the hdmi, some of us are looking at removing it.
the galaxy s doesn't have a 3x faster gpu. it has a seperate one, yet I can beat the quadrant scores with what you seem to think is the oh so **** streak.
angry birds really doesn't look jittery here, at any point.
The streak doesn't have a proprietory connector, it uses pdmi, it would be good if dell had told us, and even better if other manufacturers used it as well, so we could get cheaper accessories!
the hardware is the same as HTC are currently releasing, obviously out of date.
Fards, I love you for defending the Streak! Hey, this is my 2-week old baby
Surely it can't be out of date already!
Angry birds looks amazing and wife can't wait for the publication of the full game.
An old ipod 2g plays angry birds like butter, if u think the dell streak plays angry birds with smooth graphics you must have bad eyes, oh and dont bother selecting smooth scrolling in mozilla because its fine the way it is loooooool ,
horses for courses.
one of the main reasons I ditched my Galaxy S was because of the laughably tragic GPS implementation (it looks as though Samsung may be the un-named party in SkyHook vs Google which may explain a few things ...)
the lag issue on the SGS makes it a joke too, "yeah mum all you need to do is flash a rooted ROM using Odin and apply a lagfix - but then don't update to Froyo without wiping and re-partitioning the phone first" - um, no
I'm keeping my SGS around for as long as possible, in case CyanogenMod is released this lifetime ....
30fps is actually as fast as TV and faster than film, yet no one except Jim Cameron complains (and he wants 48fps).
high fps is only part of the story for smooth motion, also cartoons are 12fps but nobody mentions that either, ever. it could be the Streak is stuttering below 30fps, I'm sure a constant 30fps would be perfectly acceptable.
so I don't really see what a big deal a 30fps cap is, but then I prefer Starquake and Dynamite Dan over COD and Halo.
30fps tv??? do u have wood surrounding your tv screen, and does it weigh 900 pounds,
amazing i feel so much dumber talking on this forum, don't expect me to re post,so u can talk among yourself s while this piece of 30fps **** goes back to dell
Its a fact. Cinema is 24fps. many bluerays fix the refresh to 24fps to match the speed of cell cameras. It looks great. And anyone who bought a 200hz tv is an idiot. It will not improve motion it is just a resample and any resampling will degrade quality. So with that out the way ill end by saying 30fps is more than adequate. My girlfriend has the sgs and while its a great phone the streaak is a better device on so many levels
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30fps tv??? do u have wood surrounding your tv screen, and does it weigh 900 pounds,
amazing i feel so much dumber talking on this forum, don't expect me to re post,so u can talk among yourself s while this piece of 30fps **** goes back to dell
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thanks for not coming back
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30fps tv??? do u have wood surrounding your tv screen, and does it weigh 900 pounds,
amazing i feel so much dumber talking on this forum, don't expect me to re post,so u can talk among yourself s while this piece of 30fps **** goes back to dell
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I understand why you feel so dumb while there are much smarter people on this forum...
angry bird on android runs at higher resolution than on iPhone. it might look good on 3GS or older model, but not on iPhone 4 with its high resolution screen.
so it's not a surprise to see an old iPod touch to play angry bird smoothly..
i wonder how it gonna handle angry bird with high reso like the one we have on android!
so pleased I won't have to explain frames vs fields, progressive vs interlaced, whew!
maybe u should?
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so pleased I won't have to explain frames vs fields, progressive vs interlaced, whew!
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As a general rule just ignore anyhing that isnt progressive. In this day and age theres no excuse for interlaced
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here's a good starting point
http://www.100fps.com/how_many_frames_can_humans_see.htm
more fps may indeed be more "real" however i think the key is a consistent framerate without stuttering.
we are asking our phones to do more and more and do it well - i'm more than happy with what the dell streak offers today despite perhaps a weaker GPU (wait - phones have a GPU!!!! honestly, seeing this tech evolve over the years shows an amazing journey and some very clever engineering no matter where your brand allegiances may lay)
what i find ironic is that ARM + PowerVR are mobile darlings that were written off in the nineties as the Windows juggernaut became unstoppable.
(remember PowerVR losing to Voodoo 3Dfx ... who has the last laugh!!)
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every game i pop in there plays very jittery , angry birds for example, when u launch the bird its very very jittery and blurry when the bird flys and actually gives me eye strain and a headache, so before i bring back my att dell streak is froyo 2.2 guaranteed to lift the 30fps plague??
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If its jittery it's not running at 30fps is it? Angry Birds is beta anyway...
I don't think you actually understand...
Hey I am going to trade in my evo for an epic 4g. My evo has a crack and I do not really feel like fixing it or trading it in for another Evo, I like trying out new things when I am done with my old one.
My two questions about the Epic:
1. I take my video watching pretty seriously. I take the subway everyday and I spend that time reading rss feeds, reading comics/manga, and watching tv/movies/anime. Lately it seems no matter how hard a try, my evo doesn't like showing movies any more. Any video player I use just lags. I have tried avi and mp4. Especially when playing 720p video it justs lags, didn't do that before. How are people's experiences with video playback? Also the MAIN reason I am choosing the Epic over other Sprint devices is that I heard the Samsung Galaxy phones support mkv natively. Any anime geek would tell you that a large portion of anime being released is in mkv format. It would save me a lot of time if I could transfer them without transcoding. So does the Epic natively support mkv? How does it fare against 720p mkv playback?
2. I just watched a Youtube vid comparison of the Nexus S and the Epic from Phonearena. The video was made in December 2010 and at the time the Epic was still on 2.1. My Evo is on 2.2...I would hate to downgrade. Is there an official OTA for the Epic to go to 2.2...or even 2.3?
Any other comments on the phone?
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2. I just watched a Youtube vid comparison of the Nexus S and the Epic from Phonearena. The video was made in December 2010 and at the time the Epic was still on 2.1. My Evo is on 2.2...I would hate to downgrade. Is there an official OTA for the Epic to go to 2.2...or even 2.3?
Any other comments on the phone?
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Yeah there's an official 2.2 update (it's EC05) - 2.3 (latest is EE03) has been leaked from Sprint, and we're hoping that soon we'll get an official 2.3
I really love the phone, and am super happy I got it. My bro has the evo and (call me old school but) I'm happy I have the option to use a physical keyboard. I hardly ever use the touch keyboard - I find it too finicky.
1. The video playback is superb! The epic has better hardware so you won't experience any lag. Also the epic screen is beautiful. Much more color, and brightness. Your anime won't look like washed colors..
2. There is a leaked 2.3 out (June 20th official?). It's a hit or a miss. But there are 2.2 roms that are ridiculously fast, stable, and battery efficient. Check out the development section.
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Supposedly GB is going to enable GPU acceleration for our processors. I imagine that if there were ever any lag present while watching videos that it would remedy the issue. After rooting and adding a few tweaks the Epic does live up to its name. Out of the box I didn't find it to be anything special however. As a testament to the hardware our phones are actually able to run games that are specially tailored to the dual core Tegra phones.
When you get your phone turn off auto brightness and you can slide your finger along the status bar to manually control it which is a really nice feature. Saves a ton of battery as well.
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When you get your phone turn off auto brightness and you can slide your finger along the status bar to manually control it which is a really nice feature. Saves a ton of battery as well.
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WHAT?!?!?! mine doesn't do that
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WHAT?!?!?! mine doesn't do that
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Yes it does they all do
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_4UtivF7_8 <<< Samsung Epic Brightness Trick
Yes. The epic supports mkv natively. 720p mkv playback has worked nearly perfectly for any video I have tried.
My roomate had the evo. And I'm telling you the epic is much faster, and the screen is soooo much better the evo doesn't even compare. The picture is amasing better then the evo and all the droid phons
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1. I take my video watching pretty seriously. I take the subway everyday and I spend that time reading rss feeds, reading comics/manga, and watching tv/movies/anime. Lately it seems no matter how hard a try, my evo doesn't like showing movies any more. Any video player I use just lags. I have tried avi and mp4. Especially when playing 720p video it justs lags, didn't do that before. How are people's experiences with video playback? Also the MAIN reason I am choosing the Epic over other Sprint devices is that I heard the Samsung Galaxy phones support mkv natively. Any anime geek would tell you that a large portion of anime being released is in mkv format. It would save me a lot of time if I could transfer them without transcoding. So does the Epic natively support mkv? How does it fare against 720p mkv playback?
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I watch a lot of fansubs and whatnot on my Epic. Yes, it does natively support MKVs. If your looking to watch them subbed, though, the default Samsung player will not playback softsubs. But thats easily remedied by other apps you can get from the market. Personally, I use an app called mVideoPlayer. It works awesomely.
I am starting to branch out with a friend of mine who has an Evo and studying some on ROM development and app development and since we do a lot of things side by side, I can confirm my Wifi Tether is twice as fast as his on his Evo. Anyone who wants something tested side by side against an Evo can PM me and I can probably make that happen
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I never thought I'd say this, but I love watching video on a cell phone, thanks to the Epic. The screen and internal chips are awesome. HBO go, avi files, YouTube and flash (and Netflix some day officially I hope)--they all work great. This is a cinephile's phone, no doubt.
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I never thought I'd say this, but I love watching video on a cell phone, thanks to the Epic. The screen and internal chips are awesome. HBO go, avi files, YouTube and flash (and Netflix some day officially I hope)--they all work great. This is a cinephile's phone, no doubt.
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I'm going to have to agree. I enjoy watching videos of all kinds on my Epic. From MLB to Media Hub and now Netflix. I find myself willing on paying for content thanks to the Epic. I'm guessing its only going to get better when the galaxy s2 comes out.
Wow thanks for all of the feedback guys. I am so amped to get this new phone.
Lately everything has been sucking and I am trying remedy the problems. I am planning on upgrading my cf5770's to a gtx 580 as well. SO having that and the Epic would make me feel so much better.
I have not been able to watch ANYTHING on my Evo for the past few months. Also I cracked the screen but that was after the video lag stuff.
Thanks guys!
Recently, I have been so negative about my Epic 4G, so this time, I am writing why it became so outdated. I believe during Froyo era, Epic 4G was the best phone ever. It had better cpu/gpu for everyday experience and had better gaming performance than any other phones. When compared to Evo, our Epic crushes Evo with superior screen quality, better camera/camcorder+FFC and speedier everyday performance. It was once named top Android phone on some website.
Although Epic had its faults, such as keyboard skipping and inaccurate GPS, these were quickly fixed/mitigated by our proud devs in XDA. I was also pleasantly surprised when Epic natively supported 720P avi and mkv files. Epic really shined when all the emulators like FPSE, N64oid came out and they ran nicely and utilized keyboard well. I personally thought it was amazing to run PS games on my Epic. Some people even mistook my Epic as a PSP. So everything was good and I was proud to be the owner of the best phone.
Fast forwarding to Gingerbread era, where many high end phones are coming out with current OS installed, our Epic is still shining. When I run Netflix, the phone handles well, there are no signs of phone struggling. When on skype call, I can simultaneously browse webs or play games without causing the phone to slowdown too much. Also when using Google navigation and music simultaneously, the phone handles it with breeze. I didn’t have much frustration because of phone lagging/crashing. So Epic is still up there when it’s about performance. But why I do I still feel dissatisfied. Why do I feel so short changed?
The environment is changing. More specifically, technology is advancing in a way features of Epic 4G can’t utilize. More and more sophisticated apps are coming to Android and most of them are optimized for keyboardless phones. These sophisticated apps were already successful on iPhone platform, so naturally, these apps are optimized for keyboardless phones. Recent days, I rarely use my HW keyboard. I don’t play emulator games anymore as native games have better experience. Apps are becoming more virtual keyboard friendly that it is faster and comfortable than HW Keys. It seems like developers build apps without thinking about HW keyboard. The keyboard can still be utilized for document editing, but there are no good viable document editors. Also, this task is being quickly replaced by tablets as it has more potential thus developers are ditching developing good office apps for phones.
Also when talking about playing HD contents. It is now a trend to stream HD videos. People used to transfer mkv files to the phone to watch them but this is not only cumbersome to do it, it is a chore when having to deal with limited amount of SD space. It is very convenient to stream HD contents right on the phone with so much more selections. Epic can also do that but with critical limits. The current 3G is unreliable and 4G is not available for the majority. Phone still needs to rely on WIFI, when at this point, it is just better to use a tablet or a laptop.
A feature like FFC is not utilized as well since Skype is so slow on updating and supporting FFC for non-Gingerbread phones. It is difficult to have a video chat with people w/o high-end phones since they have to use the rear camera, which then they can’t see me, rendering video chat useless.
So all of sudden, the phone, Epic 4G, that had complete features, feels so outdated and unsupported. This is bound to happen for any phones out there, but it feels Epic was especially short-lived. The phone that had so many potential is quickly being outdated without ever realizing any of them. This is why I feel frustrated and how turn of events made Epic less useful.
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Recently, I have been so negative about my Epic 4G, so this time, I am writing why it became so outdated. I believe during Froyo era, Epic 4G was the best phone ever. It had better cpu/gpu for everyday experience and had better gaming performance than any other phones. When compared to Evo, our Epic crushes Evo with superior screen quality, better camera/camcorder+FFC and speedier everyday performance. It was once named top Android phone on some website.
Although Epic had its faults, such as keyboard skipping and inaccurate GPS, these were quickly fixed/mitigated by our proud devs in XDA. I was also pleasantly surprised when Epic natively supported 720P avi and mkv files. Epic really shined when all the emulators like FPSE, N64oid came out and they ran nicely and utilized keyboard well. I personally thought it was amazing to run PS games on my Epic. Some people even mistook my Epic as a PSP. So everything was good and I was proud to be the owner of the best phone.
Fast forwarding to Gingerbread era, where many high end phones are coming out with current OS installed, our Epic is still shining. When I run Netflix, the phone handles well, there are no signs of phone struggling. When on skype call, I can simultaneously browse webs or play games without causing the phone to slowdown too much. Also when using Google navigation and music simultaneously, the phone handles it with breeze. I didn’t have much frustration because of phone lagging/crashing. So Epic is still up there when it’s about performance. But why I do I still feel dissatisfied. Why do I feel so short changed?
The environment is changing. More specifically, technology is advancing in a way features of Epic 4G can’t utilize. More and more sophisticated apps are coming to Android and most of them are optimized for keyboardless phones. These sophisticated apps were already successful on iPhone platform, so naturally, these apps are optimized for keyboardless phones. Recent days, I rarely use my HW keyboard. I don’t play emulator games anymore as native games have better experience. Apps are becoming more virtual keyboard friendly that it is faster and comfortable than HW Keys. It seems like developers build apps without thinking about HW keyboard. The keyboard can still be utilized for document editing, but there are no good viable document editors. Also, this task is being quickly replaced by tablets as it has more potential thus developers are ditching developing good office apps for phones.
Also when talking about playing HD contents. It is now a trend to stream HD videos. People used to transfer mkv files to the phone to watch them but this is not only cumbersome to do it, it is a chore when having to deal with limited amount of SD space. It is very convenient to stream HD contents right on the phone with so much more selections. Epic can also do that but with critical limits. The current 3G is unreliable and 4G is not available for the majority. Phone still needs to rely on WIFI, when at this point, it is just better to use a tablet or a laptop.
A feature like FFC is not utilized as well since Skype is so slow on updating and supporting FFC for non-Gingerbread phones. It is difficult to have a video chat with people w/o high-end phones since they have to use the rear camera, which then they can’t see me, rendering video chat useless.
So all of sudden, the phone, Epic 4G, that had complete features, feels so outdated and unsupported. This is bound to happen for any phones out there, but it feels Epic was especially short-lived. The phone that had so many potential is quickly being outdated without ever realizing any of them. This is why I feel frustrated and how turn of events made Epic less useful.
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Agreed. At the time I loved my Epic but it seems like wireless companies are hell bent now on releasing new phones every 5 minutes it seems. This is funny considering most carriers look at reducing or preventing you from using it (capped data plans, touting 3D streams and Netflix sure is retarded when you can only watch so many episodes or stream so many movies a month). This has led to a large decline in support for existing devices, because why give a **** when you can just release something more powerful with upgrades software already built in that people can just buy. When I first got my Hero is was awesome, little slow but it was my first Android experience. The Epic 4G blew it out of the water, and I still love playing PSX games on it from time time, as well as Plants vs. Zombies and Cut the Rope look beautiful on the Super AMOLED screen. But when looking back, with all the hardware and software problems (GPS, keyboard, reboots, buttons) I still loved my device. Sadly, the trend has already started of shelling out half-finished products that companies can just "update".. but where do you draw the line when the product doesn't get updated? Both the carrier and the consumer lose. For me personally I've had my Epic since launch and I'm looking to trade it our for a Nexus S. Sure it doesn't have a keyboard and smaller resolution video but guess what: it's supported by Google themselves and gets updated off the bat.
Like Google said today, they are their own worst enemy. And with the shortened product cycle and lack of updates, people are foaming at the mouths for the iPhone5. And after stealing so many of Windows 7/Android "features" and calling them their own, Apple is looking at another record profit year because at the end of the day a large portion of people just want a phone that "works" and Apple supplies that kind of product. Reminds me of a nice little quote: "Evil will always triumph because good is dumb."
tl;dr: Newer phones are better than the 13 month old Epic. Also, apparently since it has a real keyboard, virtual keyboards don't work on it, for some reason.
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tl;dr: Newer phones are better than the 13 month old Epic. Also, apparently since it has a real keyboard, virtual keyboards don't work on it, for some reason.
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It comes with 3 virtual keyboards (swype, samsung, and android). And unless typing here or anywhere else I would type more than 5 word I rarely use the hw keyboard.
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vita10gy said:
Newer phones are better than the 13 month old Epic.
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Imagine that
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OP - Welcome to the world of Evolution.
...pull up a chair and have a set.
Honestly, my ET4G made me start to think my Epic was old. I didn't want a new phone at all until lately. The numbers don't lie. Screenies are stock ROM, stock kernel with root. Edit..the Quadrant test is actually a low score. I can't read those tiny previews...
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I still don't think the current generation of phones is sooo much better that it's worth upgrading yet personally. The hardware has stood up to the test of time so far if we just get some official gingerbread finally, this phone will get me by just fine for another 9+ months.
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I still don't think the current generation of phones is sooo much better that it's worth upgrading yet personally. The hardware has stood up to the test of time so far if we just get some official gingerbread finally, this phone will get me by just fine for another 9+ months.
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+1 A stable GB will do me just fine even beyond my upgrade date of 1/1/12
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+1 A stable GB will do me just fine even beyond my upgrade date of 1/1/12
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A stable Gingerbread would make this phone feel new again. I am just concerned because we have had what 3 or 4 leaks now with almost the same issues. I hope the next one will fix the reboot issue
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What's this?? Exponential technilogical advances are making electronics obsolete at an exponential rate??? Gonna have to have the boys in the lab verify these findings and get back to you ...
Specialksg1 said:
What's this?? Exponential technilogical advances are making electronics obsolete at an exponential rate??? Gonna have to have the boys in the lab verify these findings and get back to you ...
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Lol...well played sir
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Well, to be honest, what are you REALLY trying to do? Keep up with the Joneses?
What irks me the most is the random quirks: Unresponsive apps, random force closes, half-baked apps that feel like weekend projects, having to pull the battery on some freezes, GPS drops, video recording issues, and TOO MANY OPTIONS TO WORK WITH! I'm finding myself "working" with my phone rather than "playing" with my phone.
Now, I love this community. I'm a geek, but not a total geek. I have SFR 1.2 installed, phone unrooted, and a custom kernel running (I forget what off the top of my head). I love being able to customize my phone... but it's getting to the point to where I just want to say "SCREW IT! JUST WORK RIGHT SO I CAN USE THE DAMN THING!"
That's what Apple does right: It just WORKS. However, there are many things I will miss if I switch to an iPhone: Widgets, a bigger screen, customizing my home screen, Roam Control, Google Navigation, and Voice Search just off the top of my head.
It's weird: I have an iMac, Macbook Pro, and iPad, but I have an Android phone. I love it... but these quirks are pissing me off. I tell everyone I meet that my phone works amazingly well 95% of the time. That 5% drives me CRAZY!
But, going back to your rant about our phone being a beast of a phone like the new phones: Relax. The Epic 4G is pretty damn epic! There's no "killer" feature yet that is coming out that will make me want to get a new phone. I don't play many games on my phone. I have my iPad for that. The next killer feature is the NFC chip, which I think the iPhone 5 will have. If it does, I just might switch. I know the Google Nexus S has one, but the Nexus S is basically an Epic 4G without the keyboard. I'd wait until the next version of the Nexus comes out and compare with the iPhone 5.
Yeah, I find myself flashing every ROM and kernel that comes out because I am still trying to get my phone to the point where everything is working properly without issues. On my ET4G, I rooted it, flashed the CRT+1% battery mod and put the stock kernel back on it. I haven't flashed any of the early ROMs because I am very happy with how everything is functioning. I hope I can get my Epic to that point some day
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Yeah, I find myself flashing every ROM and kernel that comes out because I am still trying to get my phone to the point where everything is working properly without issues. On my ET4G, I rooted it, flashed the CRT+1% battery mod and put the stock kernel back on it. I haven't flashed any of the early ROMs because I am very happy with how everything is functioning. I hope I can get my Epic to that point some day
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EXACTLY WHY I CHECK THE FORUMS EVERYDAY! You just made me realize why I do it. I guess I'm always looking for the bigger, better, faster method. I have to admit, I check the Android Market once or twice daily to see if there's any updated apps. I must be OCD or something.
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EXACTLY WHY I CHECK THE FORUMS EVERYDAY! You just made me realize why I do it. I guess I'm always looking for the bigger, better, faster method. I have to admit, I check the Android Market once or twice daily to see if there's any updated apps. I must be OCD or something.
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Its the whole android motive, even though everything is working perfectly for me I feel the need to brick it and odin just to restore everything and change it up a bit maybe different theme or ROM lol its never been that it doesn't work for me. I have an ipod touch and that's it,it just works lol I get bored with it jailbroken or not its boring after a while lol.
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R3537L1F3 said:
It comes with 3 virtual keyboards (swype, samsung, and android). And unless typing here or anywhere else I would type more than 5 word I rarely use the hw keyboard.
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Yes, that's why it was sarcasm. I'm not sure what the OP's point was there. What possible method of on screen controls won't work on the Epic?
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Yes, that's why it was sarcasm. I'm not sure what the OP's point was there. What possible method of on screen controls won't work on the Epic?
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I feel confident that the OP is trolling and most likely owns a htc evo 3d. Im running at 1.5 ghz stable and epic screams. It suks the life out of the battery like some members here on kokers but thats why I have 2 extra batteries free from our beloved asurion. Don't ask how trolls! Every app runs like a black man from police. Don't you trolls go anul and report me to mods! Im joking for gods sake! But the battery sucking pawer is true.
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