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3D drivers & Video playback

Hi All,
I m pretty new to winmo scene but I have read that there is a huge concern on the video playback of HTC devices.
My question would be if this phone will actually have proper video drivers.
It is advertised as a phone which could play back DVD quality movies.
Does that mean that I would be able to take a normal "downloaded" episode of lets say Lost and play it back on the device without conversion?
I realize that I would need a program such as CorePlayer but would I actually be able to play the movie without having to convert it into some lower format?
The lucrative thing about the Xperia is the resolution and the video playback possibility.
I m just hoping that the device wont experience the problems of the Kaiser etc.

FunkyMike said:
Hi All,
I m pretty new to winmo scene but I have read that there is a huge concern on the video playback of HTC devices.
My question would be if this phone will actually have proper video drivers.
It is advertised as a phone which could play back DVD quality movies.
Does that mean that I would be able to take a normal "downloaded" episode of lets say Lost and play it back on the device without conversion?
I realize that I would need a program such as CorePlayer but would I actually be able to play the movie without having to convert it into some lower format?
The lucrative thing about the Xperia is the resolution and the video playback possibility.
I m just hoping that the device wont experience the problems of the Kaiser etc.
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Who wants to watch LOST?
I'd rather watch Supernatural, or House, or Bones, or Heroes, or... the list goes on - but no Lost!
Anyways... i think i read somewhere that it has XVid support (which is what the episodes are usually encoded with/in or whatever). I'm not 100% sure if i read this for Xperia specifically, but it was definitely an WinMo device, but if that has it, so would Xperia have it or we could add it via codec pack or something.

Hehehe well your right about Lost
Rather watch Heroes or Californication ))
I m just thinking that Xvid support will not be out of the box and we will have to get it through a program called Coreplayer
My only concern is that HTC has a track record for not "enabling" proper video acceleration in their devices. This might be different for Xperia since SE is making the software.
I just hope we end up with a device that can play episodes of our favorite stuff .. without having to convert the files.

FunkyMike said:
I just hope we end up with a device that can play episodes of our favorite stuff .. without having to convert the files.
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I second that!
Haven't watched californication yet... maybe will give it a try.

Ok... so i just checked, it was Omnia. Samsung Omnia has Xvid support out of the box... i hope SE does the same for X1.

FunkyMike said:
Hehehe well your right about Lost
Rather watch Heroes or Californication ))
I m just thinking that Xvid support will not be out of the box and we will have to get it through a program called Coreplayer
My only concern is that HTC has a track record for not "enabling" proper video acceleration in their devices. This might be different for Xperia since SE is making the software.
I just hope we end up with a device that can play episodes of our favorite stuff .. without having to convert the files.
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Actually the Touch Diamond and Pro have 3D acceleration.
And since my old as time Nokia can play xvid files after installing some codecs, i cant imagine WM not being able to

Ok... so i just checked, it was Omnia. Samsung Omnia has Xvid support out of the box... i hope SE does the same for X1.
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Hmm I think your right about Omnia although I haven’t seen any reports on the Xvid playback.
I heard that Omnias video drivers were ripped onto other HTC devices to increase the FPS for playing videos.
and you should definitely find some time for Californication
Lets hope we get some reports soon on avi playback. The 384 ram sounds encouraging.
Actually the Touch Diamond and Pro have 3D acceleration.
And since my old as time Nokia can play xvid files after installing some codecs, i cant imagine WM not being able to
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Your right about them having 3d acceleration but there still seems to be some issue with having proper drivers that enable the ATI chip that speeds up the video. It has something to do with HTC not wanting to pay the license for those drivers I think.

FunkyMike said:
Lets hope we get some reports soon on avi playback. The 384 ram sounds encouraging.
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Let us hope then...!
FunkyMike said:
and you should definitely find some time for Californication
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Yes Sir! I'll try an' make time for it.

FunkyMike said:
Your right about them having 3d acceleration but there still seems to be some issue with having proper drivers that enable the ATI chip that speeds up the video. It has something to do with HTC not wanting to pay the license for those drivers I think.
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Yes, HTC did not enable the ATI chip in many of their devices with the MSM7x00 chips, such as the tilt. When this was exposed, it made many very angry. I believe the new devices (diamond, pro, hd) have true 3D acceleration enabled. HTC cant make the same mistake anymore.

msalmank said:
Who wants to watch LOST?
I'd rather watch Supernatural, or House, or Bones, or Heroes, or... the list goes on - but no Lost!
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I'd rather watch obese Asian men play dodge ball naked...

Black93300ZX said:
I'd rather watch obese Asian men play dodge ball naked...
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And that is going to give me nightmares today!!!

Touch HD playing videos

How do you think HD will be playing HD videos? Remember the great deception that the Kaiser was.. and I still I'm not over it..
But If it is like my Diamond, will be superb!
However, the screen is bigger, and will require more from the hardware.
Here is a link for a video and in the last minute (8:40) where he runs CorePlayer and watches House.S05E01 - (will it be HDTV.XviD ??)
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/yt-OT4wr_E5ZkQ/htc_touch_hd/R/efp_video
If someone could translate that part would be great.
Thanks

bigger screen does not need better hardware , its just bigger pixels that need better battery capacity

manuelcalavera said:
bigger screen does not need better hardware , its just bigger pixels that need better battery capacity
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Its not only bigger screen... its also bigger resolution (By 25%)...
If its another type of screen, it could even have better performance at less ennergy consumption
Great video tough i can't undestand that language either.

atomikpt said:
How do you think HD will be playing HD videos? Remember the great deception that the Kaiser was.. and I still I'm not over it..
But If it is like my Diamond, will be superb!
However, the screen is bigger, and will require more from the hardware.
Here is a link for a video and in the last minute (8:40) where he runs CorePlayer and watches House.S05E01 - (will it be HDTV.XviD ??)
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/yt-OT4wr_E5ZkQ/htc_touch_hd/R/efp_video
If someone could translate that part would be great.
Thanks
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I don't understand what you mean.
the maximum of vids you can play (or lets say that the screen will show you) is ofcourse its own resolution. So you will not see real HD videos as this screen has not got a real HD resolution. But its own resolution is no problem for the CPU. Playing a movie with a bigger size, will just downscale the video to the resoultion of the HD but as there is more data to process, it may slow the CPU more down, depending of how big the movie is. but you would not want to play a 1080p video on this anyway as it would just use up huge amount of storage space, but doesn't look better. You will get the best and sharpest images if you convert your movies to the exact resolution of the screen.

Oh I understood your point, cause you probably use PocketDivXEncoder..
I was just comparing with HTC Kaiser.. On videos as well as other stuff, it sucked.

This is an important question.
That linked video showing house didn't look very smooth, i was hoping for better playback quality than that. Was it the HD, coreplayer orthe video conversion that made it stutter a little?
Does any one know of any other exmples of the HD video playback? HTC say that its makes it closer to watching the cinema on a mobile, is this statement going to be true?

donbronzi said:
This is an important question.
That linked video showing house didn't look very smooth, i was hoping for better playback quality than that. Was it the HD, coreplayer orthe video conversion that made it stutter a little?
Does any one know of any other exmples of the HD video playback? HTC say that its makes it closer to watching the cinema on a mobile, is this statement going to be true?
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i cant imagine that the HD as any problem with videos. It often just highly depends on the play. Windows media play is crap in playing videos most of the time. But even my old Compaq Ipaq could play videos very smooth.
Some players are faster then others.

language is czech

I thought it was Czech!!
But can you translate that part?
I think that it isn't very fluid the streaming..
Sometimes we notice some delays.. On my Diamond I can see it too..

atomikpt said:
How do you think HD will be playing HD videos?
Thanks
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to answer the original question, no it will not be able to play HD videos.
HD by definition is at least 720p, that's 720p or 1080p by today's market distribution, may be later on, there will be some weird resolution at 960p or something like that. but right now HD video are only available in 720p or 1080p
1. the video chip is not powerful enough to decode HD content,
2. windows mobile 6 doesn't support HD content
3. Touch HD only has screen resolution of 800x640, again far from HD
4. CPU isn't power enough to decode HD content (even a full desktop/laptop 500 MHz cpu isn't enough to decode, let alone a stripped down mobile cpu.)

im sure that this "HD" will have some serious problems on playing good resolution videos ...
man , qualcomm's 528 Mhz is the CPU of htc diamond, and they let that beast to have this heart on his chest ! its not fair

I might complain that the HD does not have a flash, or little base memory - but not being able to play HD video - come on guys, dream on

http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=3fAROWXVQiw&feature=related
Look at 7 min, he shows a youtube movie wvga quality. It doesn't play very smooth either. Let's hope its because of a bad connection or something.

And lets not forget that the units floating around as preview units did carry unfinished ROM and early-stage drivers

Lucas0511 said:
I might complain that the HD does not have a flash, or little base memory - but not being able to play HD video - come on guys, dream on
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oh i totally agree, i dont expect it to play HD videos, as long as it play good videos at a decent framerate. but i can see how the name is misleading some novice users to think it can play HD files.

buggybug0 said:
oh i totally agree, i dont expect it to play HD videos, as long as it play good videos at a decent framerate. but i can see how the name is misleading some novice users to think it can play HD files.
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it will play videos of its own resolution ofcourse, what are you thinking? i don't understand this topic. it has a 480*800 screen and will ofcourse be able to play videos at that size with no problem. and as i said before, even my 6 years old pocket pc could do so. and it woulkd make no sense if you would try to play a video with a higher resolution. as the screen will still only be able to show you 480*800 pixels. ofcourse, if you are talking about play real HD videos, than ofcourse i can tell you it may have probleems doing so. but it makes no sence even trying to do so.
So, take every video you have got and convert it to 480*800 and thats it.
ps: about the youtube video beeing a little choppy:
ofcourse it is, its a youtube video... and on that, it is beeing streamed!! from the net and for that, it runs very well. that has nothing to do with the cpu. its only streaming.

Raziel1 said:
it will play videos of its own resolution ofcourse, what are you thinking? i don't understand this topic.
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i am thinking of the OP's original question "can HD play HD videos" of course i understand the resolution of this phone and the video it will play.
so i dont know what you are thinking posting without reading the entire thread.
my post, which you quoted was wishing for playing good video at a decent frame rate. sure you can play videos on your 6 year old ppc, but try play, say a jet li movie on there, all his actions are a blur because the framerate isn't fast enough to capture all his kungfu actions. dido for sports videos. you understand now?
and if you are confused regarding why the OP want to watch and HD video on a non HD display, well i can tell you it is possible to put a video with higher resolution on a device which lower resolution display. it will just be upto that CPU to decode and shrink the video. suuurree, it doens't make sense, but it's do-able.. uptill a certain point (resolution), above which it will be too heavy and too much work for the CPU. and if you want to ask why, well i'm guessing 1. the OP was mislead by the phone's name Touch HD, 2. he may not have the time or software or doesn't want to reprocess the movies to 800x480.
and if you are still confused after reading all that.. well... ummm... LOL

Raziel1 said:
it will play videos of its own resolution ofcourse, what are you thinking? i don't understand this topic. it has a 480*800 screen and will ofcourse be able to play videos at that size with no problem. and as i said before, even my 6 years old pocket pc could do so. and it woulkd make no sense if you would try to play a video with a higher resolution. as the screen will still only be able to show you 480*800 pixels. ofcourse, if you are talking about play real HD videos, than ofcourse i can tell you it may have probleems doing so. but it makes no sence even trying to do so.
So, take every video you have got and convert it to 480*800 and thats it.
ps: about the youtube video beeing a little choppy:
ofcourse it is, its a youtube video... and on that, it is beeing streamed!! from the net and for that, it runs very well. that has nothing to do with the cpu. its only streaming.
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Aye but i'd love to seen a flawless WGVA streaming video....

Raziel1 said:
that has nothing to do with the cpu. its only streaming.
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technically i disagree, but from a practical standpoint, sure, i'll go with that. those net videos doesn't require much processing power to decode, very little load on cpu.

Raziel1 said:
it will play videos of its own resolution ofcourse, what are you thinking? i don't understand this topic. it has a 480*800 screen and will ofcourse be able to play videos at that size with no problem.
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Traditionally speaking, all HTC devices have very poor video playback .
Till the latest batch of VGA Devices (Diamond and Touch Pro) which i have no access to and hence cannot comment upon, all previous VGA devices had problem playing back video ENCODED AT THERE NATIVE RESOLUTION. (for reference, have a look at this thread http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=324371&highlight=video)
the best i could manage was a 532x300 xvid with a bitrate of 800-1200.
so it will be a very pleasant surprise if the HD can playback video encoded at 640x480 leave alone 800x480.
On a side note, since HD will be pretty similar to the Diamond / Touch Pro , you could probably ask your friends to run a benchmark with different resolutions and bitrates.

Leo Video Performance

Hi there,
A couple of questions from a HD owner about the Leo.
Can anyone comment on the video performance on the phone if you drop a non converted avi file/movie. HD used to stutter and get out of synch... Can you use VLC or CorePlayer with any file? Is it smooth?
Also anyone notice lag in the interface?
Love the phone, but I want it to run ABSOLUTELY smoothly... While the HD is fantastic, it's still get frustrating to use at time.

Lots of people have already commented on it. There are threads for those questions, give them a read.

What a waste of a response... It feels like the assumption on this forum is that everyone has time to go and read EVERYTHING and/or that search engines are so developed, brain usage should become irrelevant...
Pathetic...

Depends on the size and bitrate of the avi file, as well as the background programs running. I tried running a 848x480 882kbps(video) avi file and sometimes it stutters every minute or so, sometimes it just runs smoothly. Let's just say that... it's perfectly watchable. Not any moments where I can see the video being tremendously out of sync with the audio. Also tried a 704x400 826kbps(video) XviD file as well... and that runs fine.
I was using CorePlayer.
I don't have any HD avi files, but trying to play HD mkv files fail. (just manages to play 400px-height mkv files)

Using Coreplayer, video's have screen tearing when using directdraw but the performance of playback is good.
What I did was switch to GDI, no more screen tearing but the benchmark score is lower than directdraw. Also changed the smooth zoom to always be on and not only at 50%. This help reduce pixellation.
A standard tv episode avi file (624x352, 350MB) that can be found on various sites runs perfectly fine.
I think the developers at Coreplayer need to add some sort of hardware acceleration for the HD2. Maybe QTV or something along those lines...

globiboulga said:
What a waste of a response... It feels like the assumption on this forum is that everyone has time to go and read EVERYTHING and/or that search engines are so developed, brain usage should become irrelevant...
Pathetic...
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How hard is it to look down the list of posts on the first page even? The thread is there. Perhaps you really do have a problem with brain usage.

Just a quick question... when you guys say "Coreplayer" you mean windows Media Player, yes? Or is there another player in there I haven't found.....

Armes said:
Just a quick question... when you guys say "Coreplayer" you mean windows Media Player, yes? Or is there another player in there I haven't found.....
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http://www.handango.com/catalog/Pro...&deviceId=2276&platformId=30&productId=198168

mr_Ray said:
How hard is it to look down the list of posts on the first page even? The thread is there. Perhaps you really do have a problem with brain usage.
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Have to say I am in total agreement with you.
Having so many new, new and even more new topics all based on the same subject may be easy for the poster creating a new topic but it's hell when you have to reply to one that may contradict another topic.
Much easier to have them all together under one umbrella of a topic.

jah said:
http://www.handango.com/catalog/Pro...&deviceId=2276&platformId=30&productId=198168
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Ta very much!!!

cortk said:
Depends on the size and bitrate of the avi file, as well as the background programs running. I tried running a 848x480 882kbps(video) avi file and sometimes it stutters every minute or so, sometimes it just runs smoothly. Let's just say that... it's perfectly watchable. Not any moments where I can see the video being tremendously out of sync with the audio. Also tried a 704x400 826kbps(video) XviD file as well... and that runs fine.
I was using CorePlayer.
I don't have any HD avi files, but trying to play HD mkv files fail. (just manages to play 400px-height mkv files)
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just wanted to know how you where able to play xvid file? I got some strange green lines on coreplayer and huge lagging on mobile divx player, and it was a standard 700X400 clip.

Here's a nice sample I've made for the HD2.
http://gamesquare.co.uk/leo/toystory3-tlr1_h720p.mp4
Play in the album, this video shows the HD2 screen off quite nicely!
(800x480, 1500kbps x264, 128kbps AAC-LC, 1-pass)
Encoding was done in xvid4psp with custom settings.

Whats the best app for playing avi

As in the title what is the best app for playing avi, divx and xvid on android?:

OK, I'm not sure if this is a joke or not, but you can't play divx or xvid on Android yet. Supposedly future Desire updates will have that.

adventure1001 said:
As in the title what is the best app for playing avi, divx and xvid on android?:
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Try YXflash

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OK, I'm not sure if this is a joke or not, but you can't play divx or xvid on Android yet. Supposedly future Desire updates will have that.
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The Archos 5 Internet Tabled (w/ Android) can play Divx, xvid and mostly any other video format, mkv and HD included. Of course, that is because they have a proprietary player.
The Desire is rumored to get an update soon that will allow it to play Divx files. The hardware is more than capable of doing it!
http://www.mobiletechworld.com/2010...ceive-divx-playback-support-in-future-update/

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Try YXflash
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Thanks i had that on my iphone did'nt realise it was on android too

How well does yxflash work with playing back avi-files on the Desire?
I've tried playing 700 mb video (624x352, bitrate aprox. 1500, framrate 25) on a Sony Ericsson Xperia X10 with yxflash, and it didn't handle it very well. My
Samsung Omnia HD is able to play the file without a problem.

Have installed it on mine and it plays the divx pretty well. Very slightly jerky, but very watchable. It could also be the encoding as it is the only one I have tried so far.

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Have installed it on mine and it plays the divx pretty well. Very slightly jerky, but very watchable. It could also be the encoding as it is the only one I have tried so far.
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i found xyflash on the desire pretty poor. playing a tv show in divx format. very choppy frame rate.

tried xyflash with one film in avi format and seems fine

miles_t said:
tried xyflash with one film in avi format and seems fine
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Odd. Anyway I've discovered doubleTwist now. It's very good. I synced my divx video folder with my phone and as it copies the files it converts on the fly to mp4 format. Works like a dream.

Also, keep an eye out for CorePlayer.
It's in development and sold make an excellent player of al formats for us.

Quite agree coreplayer would be great i am suprised that they have not done it allready.

Keep an eye on this: http://twitter.com/corecodec
Although the coreplayer is in developement, developers of the corecodec stated, that Google's SDK/NDK misses some features for native support, that makes it so hard to bring a final
http://forum.corecodec.com/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=2885&start=75

hopefully once the guy who created yxflash gets a n1 or desire tweaks it to run smoothly.
i had yxflash on my g1 and it played most avi's smoothly.. considering the hardware 528mhz to 1ghz - with new gfx hardware also.
even winmobile 6.1 pro on my treo 750 could play avi fine.

Hi ,,,
I think that the Desire can play the AVI ,
I have seen it on a youtube
(the problem, I can not put the link for your guys here as I am not permitted to do so)
you can search it under comparsion between Nexus and Desire.

Dedo430 said:
Hi ,,,
I think that the Desire can play the AVI ,
I have seen it on a youtube
(the problem, I can not put the link for your guys here as I am not permitted to do so)
you can search it under comparsion between Nexus and Desire.
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No it can't.

Convert you file with mencoder to mp4 and play it on the Desire.
I zipped the necessary files:
mediafire.com/?yx0jbn42qdn
Just drag and drop the file you want to convert on the file convert2desire(.bat).
After waiting some time your file will be converted in the ideal .mp4 format for the Desire.
You will find it in the same directory as the convert2desire(.bat) file.

I will not buy an Android phone before a good .avi/divx player is available. I'm using WM since 2000 and my entire collection of video's is /avi/divx/mkv.
I just couldn't believe my ears when I heard Android (on HTC Desire) can't play those formats.

paledo said:
I will not buy an Android phone before a good .avi/divx player is available. I'm using WM since 2000 and my entire collection of video's is /avi/divx/mkv.
I just couldn't believe my ears when I heard Android (on HTC Desire) can't play those formats.
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Rockplayerbase (aka rockplayer) works perfectly. It's now in open beta. Search for it.

yep rockplayer works great......no pause at all

HD2 plays 720p Video in Android!

Well? Try it out! The new Desire HD builds can do it, but I don't know if the older "normal" Android builds can or not.
Just fire up a CUDA baseline 1280x720 with minimum settings -- if it plays smoothly with a stock player ("system mode"), congrats, your HD2 now does HD, too. (Hah, see what I did there? )
Report your findings! I don't have enough free space on my computer or card to try it myself. Plus, this greatly benefits y'all. Maybe.

old old OLD news

I would be more exited if it could record in 720p but i think thats not gonna happen

Cool gonna try it soon

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Really? Are you saying standard Desire (NOT HD) ROMS could play HD with hardware players? Can anyone confirm?

zat0x said:
I would be more exited if it could record in 720p but i think thats not gonna happen
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It does in the latest HD builds, but the video comes out screwy. It DOES show that with the right software, the HD2 is perfectly capable of capturing and encoding 720p in realtime, but actually getting the software and drivers to interface properly is another story...

I never understand questions regarding playing 720p on HD2.
Recording, yep I understand.
As far as I know HD2 has only a 480x800 screen.... doesn't look HD for me.
So playing HD, Full HD... on an SD screen. Really I don't understand the advantage. For me it's same as plugging a Blu-ray on a 20 years old TV (ok... I go out ).

the advantage here is, that you don't have to transcode any downloaded movie (up to 720p) to the lower res - just to take it with you on your hd2 for the trip. also, you don't have to download separately movies for home and mobile entertainment. so, the feature basically save your time, storage and bandwidth. and if the USB-host on HD2 project goes right (it's in the beta phase), you could connect the USB2HDMI type adapter to play the vid on the big screen wherever you go with your HD2.

ok understand now

do any builds have 720p recording and if so which ones?

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do any builds have 720p recording and if so which ones?
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No, none of the builds support it atm.
Sent from my HTC HD2