Just to clarify I am not talking about the storage in the device.
I have noticed ever since I have got this mytouch that the internal memory is low. Sometimes its around 17m and creeps up to 21m at times. I have looked at other peoples devices that are not rooted and have noticed way higher memory available sometimes in the 40m. I am seeing this using advance task killer or even linda file manager shows this available memory number. My device is rooted with the latest 4.2.8.1 mod. I have an 8gig sd card partitioned in 3 portions and one of the portions is a Linux swap file thinking that this would help it run smoother. I look at the running apps in the advance task killer and some of the time there is 4 apps running. I kill all of them and it boost up to 28m But then later on it comes down to 20m. I have heard people having up to 70m on their devices. I have never seen that ever since I have had this device. Has anyone heard of up to 70m before on a mytouch? Maybe I am hearing lies or whatever but this is confusing with the internal memory and what it should be and what people have seen and what I have seen on my device.
So my question is what should the advance task killer say is normal for memory available on the mytouch if all apps are closed besides advance task killer? Has anyone ever seen 70m here? If you have 70m then tell me what the heck are you running? I am not happy with sometimes seeing 17m and the device is slow as a turtle. Is there a way to use a part of my external sd memory card as internal memory within this os. I dont think the swap file is the trick to gain more memory for the device to use when more memory is needed internally.
Strange my rooted phone has 39M right now...
This site tells you how to move the cache (Tip #3)
http://theunlockr.com/2009/09/05/how-to-speed-up-your-hero-rom/
hope this helps you
if your device is running slow...something is def wrong....i just got my wife a new phone (same as yours) its rooted running the latest cyanogen mod...no theme on it...and it fast!
her mem show anywhere between 25~40 when advanced task killer is used
hope that helps...
maybe a wipe and re-flash will get you running faster.
I've been having quite a big problem recently. Something has been sucking internal memory like crazy. I've flashed several ROMs and still have the same problem of the low memory alert.
I flashed another ROM today and had 144MB of internal memory at noon. Now, without downloading any apps or doing anything major, I now have 133MBs for internal storage. I've currently been using a2sd because iGo is a total space hog and its better than the native gps app imho (doesnt seem to lose GPS signal every few minutes)
The other issue I'm having is the GPS. Its pretty much crucial to me right now because I've been going from Thousand Oaks to LA and everywhere in between and have only found two ROMs that I dont have GPS problems with. Those: EE4.0 and Aloysius
However, both of those have been giving me the low memory warning constantly and I cannot recover space no matter what I delete. I tried deleting iGo (a huge app) and it only accounted for a few MB (the full app is over 20)
I'm quite confused and have never had this problem before.
I've searched the web and it seems theres no solution available at the moment and Froyo takes care of it.
tokyoglow said:
I've been having quite a big problem recently. Something has been sucking internal memory like crazy. I've flashed several ROMs and still have the same problem of the low memory alert.
I flashed another ROM today and had 144MB of internal memory at noon. Now, without downloading any apps or doing anything major, I now have 133MBs for internal storage. I've currently been using a2sd because iGo is a total space hog and its better than the native gps app imho (doesnt seem to lose GPS signal every few minutes)
The other issue I'm having is the GPS. Its pretty much crucial to me right now because I've been going from Thousand Oaks to LA and everywhere in between and have only found two ROMs that I dont have GPS problems with. Those: EE4.0 and Aloysius
However, both of those have been giving me the low memory warning constantly and I cannot recover space no matter what I delete. I tried deleting iGo (a huge app) and it only accounted for a few MB (the full app is over 20)
I'm quite confused and have never had this problem before.
I've searched the web and it seems theres no solution available at the moment and Froyo takes care of it.
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Well, about the internal memory storage, it could be your cache. Try downloading an app called CacheMate; I'm not sure about the free version, but the paid version has a 'Power Clear' option that clears ALL the cache on your phone. It usually clears about 8-14MB of cache everyday.
Also, 11MB really isn't really a big deal at all, as it will function just as well with 133MB as it will with 144MB.
I've had the phone for about a week now, and it's been really crash-prone and unstable for the first couple of days. I previously had an HD7 for 4 weeks, so I immediately set up my DVP like I had the HD7 set up.
It was so buggy, I hard reset at least a couple of times in those few days. My most recent hard reset was on Sunday, and lo and behold, I didn't experience any crashes for 4 days!
That started me thinking. The difference between the previous hard reset and the current hard reset was that I hadn't loaded many apps or any mp3s yet - so I loaded the same amount of MP3s as I had before (about 8gb) and immediately any new programs started crashing! In fact, I think just about anything that wrote to the disk exhibited errors, from newly downloaded and installed apps to existing apps which does disk I/O. The marketplace crashed all the time while downloading or installing apps.
My best guess as to the cause of the issue is that the SD card is corrupting data. As long as you are using the internal storage, everything runs fine - but once data is written to the SD card, things are getting corrupted. I'm not sure about this, it's just a guess.
At the OS level, the internal storage is combined with the SD card into a single logical disk - AKA JBOD in RAID terms. I'm not sure about the OS-level algorithm it uses to determine whether or not to save to internal vs SD card, but my guess is that it writes to the internal first, then when that is exceeded, it writes to the SD card. Even after removing some MP3s, I still had crashes, so I'm guessing that it doesn't overwrite the same sectors that previously held data until all the "fresh" sectors have been used (ie it was still writing to the SD card).
If this is the case, then the culprits could be either A) Dell's crappy SD card drivers corrupting the data or B) a crappy quality SD card corrupting the data. Given their recent QC issues i'm inclined to think it's B - but I hope it's A because that would imply a software fix as opposed to having to replace hardware.
Either way, I'll write a program to test my hypothesis: It'll create a test files of a specific size and then read them back and check that the test data is correct.
Thoughts? Has anybody else noticed similar behavior after filling up their storage?
I suspected the SD card as well, which is why I included the remaining storage space in the options in the poll at http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=891295
That being said, some others have said that doing a system reset on their phone did not fix the crashing problems. There are 2 major unknown variables here of course - when the phone is using the SD card vs. internal memory, and whether everyone is experiencing the same type of crashing.
pjfan75 said:
I suspected the SD card as well, which is why I included the remaining storage space in the options in the poll at http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=891295
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Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if there were multiple causes for the all the crashes people are experiencing - most likely the SD card may be responsible for some of those, while other issues are causing more crashes.
Impossible to tell at the moment, though. But perhaps the reason why people associated wifi with crashing was that they were using the wifi to load more data than they were over 3G?
I've thought about the apps too. AP mobile is one that is involved on my list. Shazam, yelp, where, are others. I an make my hd7 crash with each of them. However, that does not eliminate sd card. Optimal read/write access speed will probably impact crash, lag, and performance.
Based on this thread it sounds like it's probably more of a driver issue.
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I've thought about the apps too. AP mobile is one that is involved on my list. Shazam, yelp, where, are others. I an make my hd7 crash with each of them. However, that does not eliminate sd card. Optimal read/write access speed will probably impact crash, lag, and performance.
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I've used those apps on the HD7 and I don't think they ever crashed it - not nearly as often as the DVP crashes.
zaijian said:
But perhaps the reason why people associated wifi with crashing was that they were using the wifi to load more data than they were over 3G?
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That and also at a much higher rate than 3G typically.
zaijian said:
Based on this thread it sounds like it's probably more of a driver issue.
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I don't know if I would agree with that. I would hope that drivers would be the same on all devices. To have 1 fail and 20 not fail....is it driver? I would be curious to know what the failure rates would be. Sure we see alot of complaints here on this forum....but there is not a whole lot of traffic about failure of the DVP. All in All, I'm happy with the DVP. I also have a HD7...and I'm happy with that. I have them both sitting here...and when I make a decision to use a phone of my choice...I've chosen the DVP.
With all things being equal, if I get into a fight, the DVP can be used as a weapon.
I've used up quite a bit of storage but the only time I seem to get a crash is when I enable WiFi, otherwise my DVP seems to run stable.
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I've used up quite a bit of storage but the only time I seem to get a crash is when I enable WiFi, otherwise my DVP seems to run stable.
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I have the same results, I went crash free for 2 days without WiFi I wanted to test it and turned it back on and it crashed within a few min.
I have a replacement coming from Dell but I doubt they will have it fixed. I'm hoping it would be something that can be fixed by an update.
Mine crashes too!!
I too am experiencing many of the issues that have been posted on this forum (crashing w/wo wifi, while in MP, or when an app needs data from the internet). Twice I have reached in my pocket, hit the power button to bring up the lock screen and nothing happens - just a blank screen. Hence had to pull the battery and reboot.
A couple of other things I have noticed that I am not sure I have seen on the forums. Does anyone else have a DVP where the top left edge and the bottom right edge are not flush with the bottom of the phone? It is slight, but I noticed it on day one. Also, I have a heck of a time with the accelerometer sticking. Sometimes it refuses to go back into portrait mode. No mater how I turn and twist it (360 deg).
Anyone else experience this?
I used to use the power button to get to the unlock screen, but after fumbling with it a few times in the dark, I switched to flipping out the keyboard, which does the same thing. And while it did often take multiple presses of the power button to wake the DVP, I have never had to pull the battery.
I've had the DVP since November 8th, and had it crash on my severely enough for a battery pull maybe 3-4 times tops. This is both on the "engineering" phone and the "retail" phone. The only difference I have with you guys - and this is pretty significant - is that I hacked my SD card pretty much within the first couple of days of getting it. I've upgraded to a SanDisk class 2 16GB.
Now, I haven't particularly filled it up; in fact, I have tons of space free. But, I'd like to set some facts straight:
1) The DVP has no internal storage. Just a few megs (~16MB or so) just so the OS can run if you pull the SD card. Nothing new here; we've seen this during the first days of the SD card hack thread.
2) If you fill up your storage, and applications request for IsolatedStorage, the request will most likely fail if you have (close to) zero storage free. If applications don't check for that, it will probably crash. I don't know if this is necessarily happening, since I don't have a crashing device to observe this behaviour, but that's one hunch. Some of you have said that the HD7 did not crash when you filled up the storage, which might throw my theory out the window.
3) The SD card used in the DVP is also a SanDisk - I tend to trust them with storage reliability. If it is indeed a driver issue, then Microsoft might have some share in the blame as well - MS writes drivers for the OEMs for WP7.
What we need to do is scientifically reproduce the issue. Instead of general data corruption, another thing to check is to see what happens as storage gets filled up.
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What we need to do is scientifically reproduce the issue. Instead of general data corruption, another thing to check is to see what happens as storage gets filled up.
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I attempted to do just that - I wrote a storage test app and ran it on my DVP, and it encountered no issues.
The app wrote test data, filling up 95% of available free space (around 13.3GB), then read it back in and verified the data. I'm now fairly confident that it's not the SD card or the storage drivers that are responsible for the crashing.
I did however, encounter issues trying to download the Rise of Glory game. I had turned wifi off, but it's large enough that it requires wifi or sync in order to download and install. Once I turned wifi on and retried the download, the phone crashed on me.
Let's see if we can verify the wifi + marketplace issue:
1) make sure phone wifi is off
2) connect DVP to computer, run Zune
3) via zune sync, verify that you can install a large game or app on your phone. It has to be one which you haven't downloaded before, as I don't think you can force zune to reinstall an app it knows you already downloaded.
4) disconnect the phone
5) verify the game runs correctly
6) uninstall the game on the phone
7) turn phone wifi on
8) go into marketplace on the phone
9) reinstall the same game and see if you have any issues with marketplace while downloading (freezing/hanging/etc)
10) if everything's still ok, verify that the game runs correctly
@Zaijian
I tried reproducing your flow on my DVP and it didn't crash. But, what is strange is mine freezes (only twice so far) @ random right after playing and trying to get to some other app or switching between app. This tends me to side on the memory as being the culprit or some other component being the culprit. Most likely could be memory related and how WP7 manages to kill an app. Is there a memtest kind of thing we could run on this DVP?
I wrote a wifi transfer testing app and ran it overnight - it transferred 4GB over my wifi (from my desktop to the phone) correctly and without incident.
So, i've confirmed that:
A) there's nothing wrong with writing a single large file to the file system
B) there's nothing wrong with transferring data over wifi
My next tests will be:
1) simultaneously writing multiple large files to the file system
2) simultaneoulsy writing files to the file system and transferring data over wifi
3) some sort of memory test to see if memory is getting corrupted
WiFi seems to be the issue
Not much question that mine locks up when WiFi is turned on. I have been experimenting with this issue for the past few days and while having WiFi on causes random lock-ups, not having it on makes it run without any issues.
Fortunately, most of the areas I use my phone have good 3G coverage so WiFi acting up is not a deal breaker but I certainly hope they are able to fix this with the impending update.
One consideration is could there be an app we all have that uses WiFi that is causing trouble? Has anyone had issues with this from a fresh device? I seem to recall having it lock up early on before I put many apps on it.
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Not much question that mine locks up when WiFi is turned on. I have been experimenting with this issue for the past few days and while having WiFi on causes random lock-ups, not having it on makes it run without any issues.
Fortunately, most of the areas I use my phone have good 3G coverage so WiFi acting up is not a deal breaker but I certainly hope they are able to fix this with the impending update.
One consideration is could there be an app we all have that uses WiFi that is causing trouble? Has anyone had issues with this from a fresh device? I seem to recall having it lock up early on before I put many apps on it.
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My problems seem to occur when I'm going through the marketplace and downloading via wifi.
I verified with my test app that wifi can transfer a large amount of data without errors. This leads me to believe that the wifi itself is not the cause of the issues, but that wifi in combination with other factors may be the cause.
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My problems seem to occur when I'm going through the marketplace and downloading via wifi.
I verified with my test app that wifi can transfer a large amount of data without errors. This leads me to believe that the wifi itself is not the cause of the issues, but that wifi in combination with other factors may be the cause.
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I thought so too but I left the WiFi on and rebooting without accessing Marketplace has been causing lockups as well. In fact, I just noticed it was locked up after a reboot 10 minutes ago and, sure enough, I left WiFi on. I didn't so much as unlock the screen after the reboot although I have also had it lock up while accessing Marketplace.
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I thought so too but I left the WiFi on and rebooting without accessing Marketplace has been causing lockups as well. In fact, I just noticed it was locked up after a reboot 10 minutes ago and, sure enough, I left WiFi on. I didn't so much as unlock the screen after the reboot although I have also had it lock up while accessing Marketplace.
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I'll test using wifi simultaneously with local disk I/O and see if that causes errors.
Greetings all
I have a HD2 running Android. The ROM is DL DesireZ v2 internal. software number 1.72.466.4
I am at an understanding there is a new version out but the flash I have atm is 100% working besides one thing....the phone memory.
When I first flashed it I had loads of phone memory, I think it was like what, 150mb?
But I downloaded lots of apps, even used the Apps2Sd app to save space on the phone memory.
So after a while, I ran out of phone memory, how? I have no idea.
I have deleted all the apps I had and I still have <10mb space on my phone memory and I can not find ANYTHING on the phone memory taking up this space.
Anyone else have this issue?
My gf is going nuts at me over this, she said she may as well have the Win 6.5 back on it, since she had no apps anyways
Cheers,
Gib
yea i have the same problem..
all my apps are installed on my sd card or my ext3 partition.
still i have very little phone memory available.
somehow it looks like the phone is saving the app on the phone but then moving it to the sd card without removing it on the phone memory and causing data loss?
also when updating an app i just lose a lot of internal memory..
how is it possible that there are a lot of people with this problem (i searched the forums) and nobody know an answer to this?
need your advice on this, I've just unbox my Galaxy Note few days ago, it keeps rebooting itself, one time I was copying data from the SD card to the other storage in the phone suddenly it reboots. I've had unknown reboots. Now using XXLA4 and seems doesnt solve the issue. Any ideas or suggestions?
Make sure all your applications are licated on internal SD
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Have you tried changing sd cards?
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yep they are all on my internal SD ... any ideas> Thanks
1 Does it happen after you load your applications or on a clean Rom as well? Could be a app that's causing it.
2 the xla 4 install could have been a bad flash. Did you check the MD 5?
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Do one thing just clear your dalvik cache.. i was facing same thing...
so now at the moment my note is in constant reboot mode, don't know if I should let it, I haven't root my devices yet I tried every method available on this homepage but doesnt seem to work at all. I tried installing some games on my note this morning, it failed to download and ever since that it reboots all the time. Any suggestion?
Edit: Now it stops rebooting when I plugged in the USB charger but it says the temperature of the battery is too low or too high and it doesn't charged
tvmaniac36 said:
so now at the moment my note is in constant reboot mode, don't know if I should let it, I haven't root my devices yet I tried every method available on this homepage but doesnt seem to work at all. I tried installing some games on my note this morning, it failed to download and ever since that it reboots all the time. Any suggestion?
Edit: Now it stops rebooting when I plugged in the USB charger but it says the temperature of the battery is too low or too high and it doesn't charged
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welcome to the club, i am in the same boat.
my phone works fine all times without sd card but sometimes goes crazy (restaring / freezing constantly for 7-8h non stop!) with sd card in situ.
some of my apps are on internal 1.9gb memory, some on internal 11gb memory, some on external card. trying to figure out how to force on stock unrooted device to force all apps to internal memory (1.9gb or 11gb) to prevent these issues. or will try new card. my old card works fine on my htc desire. dont know if the htc folders present on sd card are causing soem issues
have tried with apps2sd pro and stock app mnager to move apps to internal 11gb memory. but the phone has a mind of its own and some stay on 1.9gb internal memory some go to 11gb internal memory and some go to external sd card and i cant seem to force moveable apps to internal 11gb memory only instead of sd card as mentioned in the other concurrent thread today on this topic.
Hi,
I also had similar problem like this. It appears that the Android Program at times cannot seem to access the Ext SD card program/s installed and that will cause a reboot and repeated so.
I really do not why this is happening? It will seem to work fine ant reboot when the Ext SD is removed - but those programs installed in the Ext. SD will no longer be accessible.
There is a hidden folder in the Ext. SD ".android_secure" which contain all the programs transferred to that Ext. SD. If you empty this folder of it programs by transferring them to your PC and reinsert the Ext. SD card, it will function normally and you can access your file like photos, videos, music, and ebooks. But you will not be able to access your programs in the Ext. SD.
I had tried un-installing the apps in the Ext SD and re-installing them into Phone memory it will work but it will not transfer to Int. SD (the 11 GB) and keep informing me there is no Ext SD. This of course will eat up all the 1.9 GB of the Phone memory, which is not what I had wanted. Although I still have a lot of memory in the Int. SD (about 8 GB) it will not transfer there, why I am not sure.
Can some of the Android expert please look into this problem and advise. Thank you.
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Make sure all your applications are licated on internal SD
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Hi,
How do you make sure all the Apps are located in the Internal SD?
I have an Ext SD and some apps are transferred there. I cannot transfer these apps into the Int SD.
I uninstalled the apps and reinstall them without the Ext SD and then try to transfer to Int SD. It will not transfer and a message "you do not have an Ext SD card"
Will appreciate any assistance. Thank you.
I don't have any apps installed on the internal SD nor external SD, I notice this that everytime an app failed to complete (eg loading) it goes to looping reboots. The last one I was playing some game something called mission, cannot remember the game name, it was loading all the time then I decided to switch it off and turn it on again. It goes constant reboot. I need a good phone which doesn't rebooot all the time ...
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Do one thing just clear your dalvik cache.. i was facing same thing...
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Do you think this is worth to try? Since I am planning to go to Samsung today and saw some posts that it has possibility an error on the CPU. I have a couple of friends who also have the Note and nobody has the problem like I do ...
Edit: Oh and I did the factory wipe last night too but it still doing the reboots, finally I plug out the battery, plug it again and leave it for a half an hour then it stops rebooting ...
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Do you think this is worth to try? Since I am planning to go to Samsung today and saw some posts that it has possibility an error on the CPU. I have a couple of friends who also have the Note and nobody has the problem like I do ...
Edit: Oh and I did the factory wipe last night too but it still doing the reboots, finally I plug out the battery, plug it again and leave it for a half an hour then it stops rebooting ...
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Its seems like you had an issue with leakage current on cpu. Its caused the battery drain fast and heat up. The only solution is to change the main board. Well, this is use to happen on htc phone. Not sure on sammy phone
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tvmaniac36 said:
need your advice on this, I've just unbox my Galaxy Note few days ago, it keeps rebooting itself, one time I was copying data from the SD card to the other storage in the phone suddenly it reboots. I've had unknown reboots. Now using XXLA4 and seems doesnt solve the issue. Any ideas or suggestions?
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yeah my phone also used to reboot after some time... the problem i found was the installation of an app called es file explorer... i disabled the app and it works flawlessly...so some of the app on your phone might be causing you the problem...
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Its seems like you had an issue with leakage current on cpu. Its caused the battery drain fast and heat up. The only solution is to change the main board. Well, this is use to happen on htc phone. Not sure on sammy phone
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Well sent the phone back to Samsung, I think this is what happen to me, excited what the result would be from Samsung ..