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dont buy droid x!!!!!

if your thinking of buying a droid x and rooting it then think again http://www.mobilecrunch.com/2010/07/14/droid-x-actually-self-destructs-if-you-try-to-mod-it/ . if you dont care to root it then disregard this. if you try to even root it you will brick it!?!?!? why would they do that????

If you'd rather not support your product if someone else meddles with it, that's totally fine. Void their warranties; don't kill your own product to spite them.
You are not inventors. You are profiteers afraid of people, at home, doing what you do better than you.
And maybe you should be.
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- Mark Wilson [email protected]
They're using open source software and afraid of the open source community doing what they do better than they do it.

Shame on Moto, good thing I love Htc anyways.

I r n00b.
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Just saw that on reddit. That's nasty..q

Wonder when HTC will try doing this. :-/

Kcarpenter said:
Wonder when HTC will try doing this. :-/
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Well if HTC starts doing that, then you can bet Android be screwed over because no one is going to buy them anymore. So the companies that decide to do crap like this are just screwing themselves over.

Kcarpenter said:
Wonder when HTC will try doing this. :-/
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The same week I buy an iPhone.

illogic6 said:
The same week I buy an iPhone.
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That's like trading one jail cell for another.

dam that rly sucks, but im sure they will figure out ways around it

subcypher said:
That's like trading one jail cell for another.
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It is fairly easy to jailbreak an iphone these days... my dad jailbroke his 3gs a few days after he got it and he is the guy who's VCR always flashed 12:00...

It's all fear mongering. It's the same protection as Milestone devices and the Droid. All of them have the OMAP3 eFuse.
Look up Steven Bird's blog (I can't post links yet) he explains it. Said that it's more than likely not to brick the phone. He's got donations up and going now to try and get one to test it himself.

Yup, this FUD has been debunked. Enough with the eFuse DROID X Talk Already

The response from Motorola was that it wouldn't "brick" the phone, but if the efuse was triggered it would render the phone unusable until it was repaired with motorola software. Which pretty much means the folks here at XDA will likely find a way around the efuse without too much trouble

tatonka_hero said:
The response from Motorola was that it wouldn't "brick" the phone, but if the efuse was triggered it would render the phone unusable until it was repaired with motorola software. Which pretty much means the folks here at XDA will likely find a way around the efuse without too much trouble
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I bet someone will leak the "motorola software" just like the RUU's have been leaked from HTC.

mrinehart93 said:
I bet someone will leak the "motorola software" just like the RUU's have been leaked from HTC.
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Or they could, I dunno, download it from Motorola's site. Really, all they're doing is a checksum and giving you the opportunity to flash an RUU if they don't match. No Moto repair required.

Wow Motorola, way to go... u just scared off about 3/4 of u'r customers right there. Talk about BS limiting a user on what he/she is able to load on to HIS/HER own phone. Ridiculous!

It's not FUD. It may not "brick" the phone, but it's another attempt to stop the end user, the person that legally purchased the phone, from tinkering with it. Just as the quote I posted above says, they're not inventors. They are profiteers afraid of people, at home, doing what they do better than them.
My friend and I had this conversation the other day. He stated that Sprint has a right to protect their network and any phone they sell you with a discount for buying a plan. He is correct, to a point. Sprint doesn't want us using our phones for more than they give us (despite claims of "unlimited" data) because they have to protect their profit margins. They also don't want us tinkering with our phones because we, tinkerers, could break them. Insurance doesn't cover "tinkering". Sprint is taking a huge up-front hit by selling us the phone as cheap as they do but they recoup that cost by locking us into 2-year contracts. They need to keep us in those contracts to turn a profit. So, I feel they have a right to protect that until the contract is up.
Or, on the other hand, those that purchase their phones outright, without contracts and without subsidies, should have the right to tinker all they like... including the consequences.

E-fuse, what?
I still don't believe it was FUD because of the reasons I mentioned above, but it was successfully bypassed.
EDIT: The e-fuse wasn't bypassed. They got root, which isn't watched by the e-fuse. Putting a new ROM on the phone would, though. Getting root is a start, though, and should allow them to figure out how the e-fuse works. Then I'm sure they can bypass it. It'll just take some more time.

Droid X Rooted
Like there was any doubt! Devs > Motorola

Serious Idea for Getting Moto to unlock Bootloader or work with devs.

So. It's just an idea... but how about a coordinated return?
I'd bring mine back and show them who they REALLY sold the phone to.
It's not like a bunch of soccer moms are running out to get this phone.
We should cram used merch. back down their stupid f'ing throats if they're not willing to work with us.
On top of that I'm pretty sure you could just turn around and repurchase the same phone... thereby dumping TONS of phones they have no choice but to refurb and sell at a loss.

NonovUrbizniz said:
So. It's just an idea... but how about a coordinated return?
I'd bring mine back and show them who they REALLY sold the phone to.
It's not like a bunch of soccer moms are running out to get this phone.
We should cram used merch. back down their stupid f'ing throats if they're not willing to work with us.
On top of that I'm pretty sure you could just turn around and repurchase the same phone... thereby dumping TONS of phones they have no choice but to refurb and sell at a loss.
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Not so keen on the $35 restocking fee. I rather donate $35 to devs.

Is it even confirmed that the bootloader is encrypted?

nubsors said:
Is it even confirmed that the bootloader is encrypted?
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::sigh::
yes, it is confirmed that it is SIGNED, not encrypted.
and really? you think you'll get a massive amount of people to return the phone? Good luck, i bet you couldn't get 0.5% of owners to follow through on that.

Seriously. Just be patient, devs will work this out. While it'll be tough to work around the signatures, it's nothing compared to 1024-bit AES encryption.
The phone was literally (officially) released today. Let's work through this one day at a time. I'd be surprised if we haven't made some great headway on this phone in a couple of weeks.

cegna09 said:
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yes, it is confirmed that it is SIGNED, not encrypted.
and really? you think you'll get a massive amount of people to return the phone? Good luck, i bet you couldn't get 0.5% of owners to follow through on that.
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Motorola now says its encrypted as well:
Thanks for the suggestions.
The Atrix does have a locked and encrypted bootloader. We'll have more Bootloader related announcements in the future.
Mark
Motorola Mobility US Facebook Support
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based on his title, i'm betting he doesn't know the difference between locked, signed, or encrypted, much like 90% of the people here.

hahah facebook support is that supposed to be a joke?

neer2005 said:
Not so keen on the $35 restocking fee. I rather donate $35 to devs.
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Agreed. They already have a promising workaround for the bootloader on the Droid X using kexec, they just need drivers. Instead of returning your phone in protest, donate to the Atrix devs so they can provide you with the means to get around the bootloader.

Uh oh for all of us who root noooooooooooo

If true...
http://phandroid.com/2011/04/04/developer-troubled-times-ahead-for-anyone-who-roots/
Oh and where's the tags that the mods add in on My threads about my girl blowing everyone lol I'm still waiting haaaaa update there it is

Oh nooooooeeessss!!!

Sigh.
This really makes me want to just use a laptop for a phone now.
At least I can do what I want with my laptop's data connection.

WTF!??
10char

f***

OK, this is the kinda stuff where either Google needs to get its balls back and *****-slap the carriers, or the FCC needs to actually step in to protect customers.
Either way, it's bull****. Screw Verizon and every other carrier that does this.

this is me forgetting to thank you.

drmacinyasha said:
OK, this is the kinda stuff where either Google needs to get its balls back and *****-slap the carriers, or the FCC needs to actually step in to protect customers.
Either way, it's bull****. Screw Verizon and every other carrier that does this.
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I will never buy a phone from a carrier that implements this crap

drmacinyasha said:
ok, this is the kinda stuff where either google needs to get its balls back and *****-slap the carriers, or the fcc needs to actually step in to protect customers.
Either way, it's bull****. Screw verizon and every other carrier that does this.
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+2788786886

I agree this is total B.S.

lost_man10002 said:
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I will never buy a phone from a carrier that implements this crap
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No one should, the consumers run this together we can boycott any carrier who does this dictatorship bull****, I pledge I will not support any carrier who does this.
I'd rather take my evo and flash to cricket
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drmacinyasha said:
OK, this is the kinda stuff where either Google needs to get its balls back and *****-slap the carriers, or the FCC needs to actually step in to protect customers.
Either way, it's bull****. Screw Verizon and every other carrier that does this.
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This brought tears to my eyes.
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Eff that. I will not buy a phone like that... If I have to go back to dumbphones... Then so be it.
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It will never happen. The backlash would just be too much to handle.
And if manufacturers were to begin implementing these types of lockdowns, you know for a fact that they'll just be hacked around sooner or later.
Hello? We are discussing this on XDA... Home to undoubtedly the best group of white hat device hackers I've seen.
We all assume risk when rooting our devices and given the more open nature of Android, there's always the concern that some application will start stealing your data. It's a risk I'm willing to take and I'm sure most everyone else here as well.

mkhopper said:
It will never happen. The backlash would just be too much to handle.
And if manufacturers were to begin implementing these types of lockdowns, you know for a fact that they'll just be hacked around sooner or later.
Hello? We are discussing this on XDA... Home to undoubtedly the best group of white hat device hackers I've seen.
We all assume risk when rooting our devices and given the more open nature of Android, there's always the concern that some application will start stealing your data. It's a risk I'm willing to take and I'm sure most everyone else here as well.
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Here's the problem with what you stated, the percentage of users rooted compared to non rooted, well are not even close, if they did lock out every new phone with master keys that we would never be able to figure out, well it could happen. Even if they did lose every rooted users support financially, they would still have more than 95 percent of their profiT, that's my fear, it'll hurt but not if sprint, Verizon, etc pays the difference or that kind of sort of thing. For example to make it easy, say all rooted user cause 600,000 in lost profit for sprint that they could have potentially gained, well HTC goes hey well lock the device but we want the difference from the users like us who will not purchase the phone. Anyway that's my take on it, enlighten me with your guys thoughts

It may be time to dust off my Razr.

Carriers get smart, devs get smarter......lets not jump the gun and worry about this nonsense now. I will enjoy my rooted phone for now. If this does go down those of you saying you will go to "dumbphones" are full of it. Even if these phones are locked down tighter than a 17 year old girls tuna you will still use it. I see the future as phones will be so fast why would you need to root; I love to root, I've been rooting ALL my phones since g1 and the sole purpose was the speed my phone up. Dual core phone no root ehh who cares. I will NOT use a free phone just because these phones in the future will possibly be locked. One can only hope this security doesn't see light but if it does I'm sure we'll be ok.

iitreatedii said:
Here's the problem with what you stated, the percentage of users rooted compared to non rooted, well are not even close, if they did lock out every new phone with master keys that we would never be able to figure out, well it could happen. Even if they did lose every rooted users support financially, they would still have more than 95 percent of their profiT, that's my fear, it'll hurt but not if sprint, Verizon, etc pays the difference or that kind of sort of thing. For example to make it easy, say all rooted user cause 600,000 in lost profit for sprint that they could have potentially gained, well HTC goes hey well lock the device but we want the difference from the users like us who will not purchase the phone. Anyway that's my take on it, enlighten me with your guys thoughts
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I've heard the "rooted users are the extreme minority" comment countless times, and all logic says it really must be true.
However, when I go to the market, click apps, then all applications, then click top paid, 3 of the top 5 require root. As an honest question, are my market results tailored for my usage history or is that the same "top paid" list everyone sees? If it is indeed the same for everyone then it becomes much harder to quantify rooted users being in the minority.
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dirkyd3rk said:
Carriers get smart, devs get smarter......lets not jump the gun and worry about this nonsense now. I will enjoy my rooted phone for now. If this does go down those of you saying you will go to "dumbphones" are full of it. Even if these phones are locked down tighter than a 17 year old girls tuna you will still use it. I see the future as phones will be so fast why would you need to root; I love to root, I've been rooting ALL my phones since g1 and the sole purpose was the speed my phone up. Dual core phone no root ehh who cares. I will NOT use a free phone just because these phones in the future will possibly be locked. One can only hope this security doesn't see light but if it does I'm sure we'll be ok.
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Completely agree about the smartphone part but do not about the master key part, it would take years like 75 - 100 if the key is properly secure for many and I mean many super computers to solve that algorithm...look at the droids, the only reason on a side note the ps3 master key was released was because the people who secured it messed up in the formula, and that still took 5 years..

the consequence would never be the same.

Story of my Atrix

Well, this is the story of the rise and death of my Atrix.
Bought this wonderful phone on the 6th of August 2011, after reading reviews of it online, for a cheap price of $146 with dock and a 2 year contract.
Lots of exciting moment, especially when the 2.3 update came, and again with the CM9.
However, I had LOTS of issues with the touch screen, and had to send it in for repair 5 times.
Well, all was fine till about 15 days ago, when I dropped my phone, and the digitizer shattered. Well, its fine, I told myself, I'll just buy one from ebay, well, it is easy to install after all.
Yeah, well the item arrived AFTER my warranty was over, but i was like "meh, I won't need it anyway"
Replacing the digitizer was very easy, however, after I replaced it, I realised part of the digitizer was not working =(
Yeah, ****. Well what choice do I have? I sent it to Motorola for repair.
Well, I went there and they were friendly and nice, as usual, but when they scanned my serial number, all hell broke lose.
"Uh, well you phone is out of warranty, including the 3 months grace period"
"Um, yes, well I know that"
"There will be an evaluation charge of $25"
"About how much will it cost?"
"Well, the parts about $150"
"So a total of $175?"
"Uh, yes, would you like to reconsider"
(I would love to, but I can't. My carrier is screwing with me, and I cannot cancel this plan. I am paying $30 for 12GB, and if I renew the plan, it will drop to 2GB. I have no choice but to keep my atrix)
"Um, not really. Just send it in"
Well, two days pass and I was in school when I received a call. (Yeah, I'm a student, still in secondary school actually)
Obviously I can't pick up, so I just let it ring...
Well, I tried to call back, but no one answers. (Dear Motorola, answer your phone PLEASE)
This goes on for a few days, but one day, I was lucky enough to pick up.
A little tired here, its 12.54AM and I have school tomorrow, so I'll cut it short.
In short, after consulting with their managers, Motorola decided they will not fix my atrix. Instead, they will replace it with a BRAND NEW atrix 2
Obviously, I'm chuffed to bits. Is the atrix 2 better? Not really. However, I do really appreciate the service shown here. Is it google at work here?
I have no idea. However, Motorola has just won a loyal customer.
The whole point of this post is simple.
1. Motorola, please don't allow flaws like the Atrix digitizer and wifi+bluetooth to get pass QC
2. Motorola, please pick up your phones. You are a phone company. Doesn't reflect well if your phones are useless
3. Motorola, thanks for being such a good company. You are really setting a good example here. I cannot describe how much I really appreciate your efforts here.
4. Goodbye Atrix forum. You all have been really nice, and I am sure this phone will continue to exceed your expectations, and I am sad I won't be here to witness this.

Lucky American.
Why no one is ready to pick up my Atrix and swap it with anything non-nVidia crap based?

They're seriously allowed to do that? Replace your phone with a completely different one that's largely accepted as being worse?

sms2000 said:
Lucky American.
Why no one is ready to pick up my Atrix and swap it with anything non-nVidia crap based?
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1. I'm not american.
2. What's wrong with nVidia?
nerfman100 said:
They're seriously allowed to do that? Replace your phone with a completely different one that's largely accepted as being worse?
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1. The warranty is over. They are not bound to do anything.
2. I agreed. I would not want a phone that has no warranty that has failed every 2 months anyway.

matthew5025 said:
2. What's wrong with nVidia?
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nVidia makes all of their SoCs closed-source. It shouldn't matter if you run stock, but it makes it makes it much harder for devs to work their magic.

nerfman100 said:
nVidia makes all of their SoCs closed-source. It shouldn't matter if you run stock, but it makes it makes it much harder for devs to work their magic.
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Well, the bootloader for the atrix is unlocked. That is it's saving grace I guess.

no hope for ics
planning to buy s3
i observe even our moderator is now using s3
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maggedo said:
no hope for ics
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Of course not, especially when moto already said they will release ICS =.="

Phone has vanished from Amazon!

Since last night. All you get is the error page with cute doggie. I know some phones have caught fire. Or maybe they want to make sure all are running v6.6. Still, it's odd that they didn't just give an out-of-stock message.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01H2E0J5M
If it suddenly comes back, please delete this thread.

Hmm...

raderator said:
I know some phones have caught fire.
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Source?

Saw a couple of Amazon reviews with pics. Kinda wondered why no one here ever mentioned them.

raderator said:
Saw a couple of Amazon reviews with pics. Kinda wondered why no one here ever mentioned them.
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I saw one review with pics, but it was possible that phone was wet. Other than that I've heard nothing that sounded viable. My phone never even gets warm. Though I'm rooted, and use greenify and other performance apps.

Back up but only for non-Amazon sellers. Probably ran out or are waiting for units with v6.6.
Edit: Gone again.

What I know, and what I think the hell's going on.
Okay, so this phone was my baby for as long as I had it.
It got chucked on the ground. Complete web of cracks across the screen. The microphone also ceased to operate and my smart watch stopped co-operating with the phone to exchange push notifications. Anyway Amazon agreed to refund the device. It has been shipped. The same day I shipped it the listing was there and perfectly intact And today, when I go to re-order it... gone. ****ING GONE.
Anyway what I know from calling Amazon, harassing BLU Miami and checking listing databases it was very much available for purchase. Then- out of nowhere the listing's pictures are removed and then the listing was taken down.
A few hours later all listings of it were back on the system just without pictures or stock count, thus amazon listing it as a "coming soon" or "in progress" item. And now its listed as an item that is completely available but... is listed with a stock count of absolutely nothing.
BUT, here's the breakthrough.
They are going to start shipping with 6.6 preinstalled and some security patches (MAYBE VoLTE?!) there was a snag. Their offices are closed so I can't harass them anymore but, hey we have some info now. That's all I got from some internsnooping and employee twitter account announcements.
That's all for now.

gmdianaty said:
BUT, here's the breakthrough.
They are going to start shipping with 6.6 preinstalled and some security patches (MAYBE VoLTE?!) there was a snag. Their offices are closed so I can't harass them anymore but, hey we have some info now. That's all I got from some internsnooping and employee twitter account announcements.
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Thank God I got it and rooted it before this mess. Got it last week lol. That was close.

I have MOORE!
Apparently there is a change in plans for BLU, they have decided to change the listing ID on Amazon.
Then they took it down completely. Amazon Canada still has it tho (?)

Made the mistake of updating to v6.6. I would actually like the ads if they were at all targeted. So far, all stuff I never buy. I suppose they'll get better. Also feel safer from fire.

Funny, I was telling my buddy to buy the phone, went to bring it up, and saw the same thing, not for sale anywhere on Amazon
Mine is still purring along nicely, I don't even care about 6.6, to me the hassle of rooting the phone, flashing ROMs, and voiding the warranty wasn't worth dealing with vs spending the extra $50 to just buy the ad free version.

Is it coming back?
I wanted to pick up this phone for that 60$ killer deal but I just noticed it vanished today. Is it coming back or is it gone for good?

emkorial said:
Mine is still purring along nicely, I don't even care about 6.6, to me the hassle of rooting the phone, flashing ROMs, and voiding the warranty wasn't worth dealing with vs spending the extra $50 to just buy the ad free version.
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Paying extra $50 for non-root usage is absolutely mind-boggling. The main reason for root is adblocking. Not Amazon ads but the whole spammy ads in the Android ecosystem. If you were going to root anyway, why pay extra $50? If you weren't going to root, why buy a phone lol.
Aeosgames said:
I wanted to pick up this phone for that 60$ killer deal but I just noticed it vanished today. Is it coming back or is it gone for good?
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It'll be back soon. Same price but with a locked down phone.

ah_puch said:
It'll be back soon. Same price but with a locked down phone.
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Great to hear! Can't wait and I honestly don't care about the ads.

ah_puch said:
Paying extra $50 for non-root usage is absolutely mind-boggling.
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Tell that to the people sitting around with bricked phones from failed root attempts.
If you weren't going to root, why buy a phone lol.
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To use? I don't understand. I mean, I understand there is often a juvenile need a lot of geeks have to be in "total control" of their devices, but when you really sit back and look at it, it's rarely worth the effort. I had rooted phones previously "just because" and after years of not doing anything that needed root, I finally realized it's mostly a pointless endevour. Much rather have a phone with a warranty, and not worry about random things bricking my device in the root process.

hah! I ordered one on Friday and got it Saturday. MAYBE I GOT THE LAST ONE.

emkorial said:
Funny, I was telling my buddy to buy the phone, went to bring it up, and saw the same thing, not for sale anywhere on Amazon
Mine is still purring along nicely, I don't even care about 6.6, to me the hassle of rooting the phone, flashing ROMs, and voiding the warranty wasn't worth dealing with vs spending the extra $50 to just buy the ad free version.
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Not for trolling or anything but I followed the convert to OEM thread and in less than 10 minutes after taking it out of the box I had the non-ads version, no need to buy the expensive one at all.

yadspi said:
Not for trolling or anything but I followed the convert to OEM thread and in less than 10 minutes after taking it out of the box I had the non-ads version, no need to buy the expensive one at all.
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I agree! Following Colton's excellent instructions, it was very easy to convert the phone to non-amazon version in 10 minutes. I knew enough to not put a SIM in it or let it connect to wifi and update, so I took it out of the box and just flashed it with SPFT. Couldn't have been easier. And with the money I saved, I picked up a second one as a backup.
And because I was able to root it, I installed xposed framework and the wonderful gravitybox module which allows for incredible customization of the stock rom. Once you take the phone updates, you don't have that option.

YESSS
THE LISTING IS BACK IN THE US.
The prime edition is nowhere to be found and it reads as "out-of-stock"

gmdianaty said:
THE LISTING IS BACK IN THE US.
The prime edition is nowhere to be found and it reads as "out-of-stock"
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link? I'm not seeing on my end.