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I had a iphone 3GS and sent it back so I could get the Hero.
I'm not sure now if it was the best trade off? The Apps are much more polished as is the whole iphone OS. Now the 3GS can be jailbroken and unlocked it can be used on any network which is good because O2's 3G coverage is not good.
So... are you regretting the switch? would you go back to iphone?

I had the original iPhone and the 3G for ~6 months months, but haven't used either in more than a year. Since the iPhone, I've used a Blackberry Bold, e71, Xperia X1, and Touch Diamond 2.
The Hero has been the closest to an iPhone experience compared to any of those phones. No, it's not quite as polished, and nowhere near as fast as the 3GS (based on my brief experince with it), but its design, flexibility, and Sense UI makes up for it.
I've had iPhone users comment on the design of the Hero, as well as the Sense UI. It is the general consensus amung people that have played with my phone that the UI is far nicer designed than the iPhone design.
I couldn't stand the iPhone because it would always lock up when I tried to answer a call, which proved to be extremely frustrating. I don't get that with the Hero...in fact, it's the best PHONE I've had, with the exception of the Bold.
All in all, yes, the lag is annoying, and there are definitely a few things I would change, but for the most part, the Hero is the most enjoyable phone I've ever had, and don't regret switching from the iPhone (or any other phone) to it. Plus, the exclusivity of not having a phone that 10+ million other people have is always nice .

i keep wanting to sell my hero and go back to iphone, i hand the original 3g and now think the 3gs would have been a better purchase.

The only thing I really miss about the iPhone are some of the games. Games are a weak point for Android at the moment though this will eventually change as more and more handsets keep coming out and developers will be unable to ignore it. Come to think of it, that's about the only thing about the iPhone I actually liked lol.

I am missing my iphone a bit now that i'm using the hero. I think the iphone had one of the most fluid interfaces of any phone i've ever used. I miss the screen automatically turning on and off during a call when it is close to your face. I always try to turn off the screen during a call out of habbit on the hero and end up disconnecting the call. I also liked the hardware silence toggel on the iphone for quick ringer switching. The keyboard on the iphone was also a little bit more responsive and got more of my keystrokes correct. The main reason why I got the hero was for the widget and facebook integration. I got sort of board with the limits on the iphone os, and always having to open individual programs everytime I wanted to do anything. If the iphone started to offer home screen widgets i'd probably switch back in a heartbeat. I think the sense ui is cool, but until they make it less buggy, its just hard for me to fully enjoy it. I'm also getting mad at the fact that my facebook links in my contacts keep getting erased for no good reason, if anyone has an idea to why this happens and how to prevent it please share. Also i've noticed the signal and call quality are lower on the Hero than the iphone and my other HTC devices, I can hear a hiss in the background of all my calls, and tend to drop calls in places my iphone never did. Hopefully this can be fixed with a new radio version. I would like to keep my hero because I think it has so much potential, I just hope HTC releases some new firmware soon.

Well, though question...
I´ve had the iPhone 3G for more than a year now but bought the Hero after having drained the iPhone in a heavy rainfall. I also (don´t ask me why..) ordered the new 3Gs simultaniously and I´m still waiting for it...
I loved the iPhone, and still do, but the Hero is more "interesting" and more flexible when it comes to customization.
The iPhone is more "snappier" and more polished but the Hero is something fresh and interesting. Keep in mind that Android is still in it´s first year on the market which I find VERY impressing.
Will I keep the Hero, the iPhone or both? I seriously don´t know...
If both phones have had been new to me I would have bought the iPhone because of its (imo) still superior ease of use and "snappines".
Hero on the other hand is the only phone that I´ve met that can compete with iPhone on the ´overall experience´, the both ´simply works´ (...just that iPhone works a little bit better. Question is, will it last?).
I only know one thing for sure. It will take Microsoft more than ´some´effort to make me go back...

Video playback on iphone is unrivaled, The camcorder with editing is better than expected. Battery life is also better.
I waited ages for the Hero and really want to like it. But as with the facebook issues and the camera/video quality isn't great either? Video playback on the Hero is not great with the stuttering.
Seems the only thing going for the Hero is the widgets?

mwatson said:
Video playback on iphone is unrivaled, The camcorder with editing is better than expected. Battery life is also better.
I waited ages for the Hero and really want to like it. But as with the facebook issues and the camera/video quality isn't great either? Video playback on the Hero is not great with the stuttering.
Seems the only thing going for the Hero is the widgets?
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I actually totally agree with you. I tried to play an mp4 just now and get stuttering every 4-5 secs. The music app can't compete with the iphone either, I love the widgets and the customization on the hero, but as of right now that’s about it. I have another week to return it but I want to give HTC the benefit of the doubt that they will be upgrading software quickly. Man I don't know what to do.

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I actually totally agree with you. I tried to play an mp4 just now and get stuttering every 4-5 secs. The music app can't compete with the iphone either, I love the widgets and the customization on the hero, but as of right now that’s about it. I have another week to return it but I want to give HTC the benefit of the doubt that they will be upgrading software quickly. Man I don't know what to do.
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Thats where i am with it. Dunno what to do and time is ticking before we get locked into contracts.
Maybe iphone is the way to go for now. Not to dismiss Android and HTC, maybe during next year's contract renewa'/upgrades HTC and Android maybe have caught up. But for now, the damm iphone just can't be beat on every count. Sure the widgets are great, but in 3-6 months (or less!) will the novelty wear off and we're left with a duff battery, dodgy signal reception, a less than impressive camera, don't even go there with video recording.
Tell ya what though.... being a geek is tough! and expensive!

I'm sticking with the Hero personally. I hate Apples ridiculous policies and I hate having to close out apps in order to use something else..it's so annoying. Android is getting there and Donut is coming soon which I hear is using 2.6.29 kernel which brings a nice little speed increase. I know more apps and games are on the way, especially since a couple major US carriers will be getting Android devices in the next couple months. Hero is coming here as is something from Motorola from what I hear. BTW, I think iPhone is so smooth because it only really runs one thing at a time while Hero for instance runs a lot widgets, sense ui, etc. I mean iPhone 3G has what a 434mhz processor? That's not much at all.

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...I mean iPhone 3G has what a 434mhz processor? That's not much at all.
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Agree on that but mhz isn´t everything. Hero is running a Qualcomm processor and iPhone 3G a higher quality (some say...) ARM processor.

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I'm sticking with the Hero personally. I hate Apples ridiculous policies and I hate having to close out apps in order to use something else..it's so annoying. Android is getting there and Donut is coming soon which I hear is using 2.6.29 kernel which brings a nice little speed increase. I know more apps and games are on the way, especially since a couple major US carriers will be getting Android devices in the next couple months. Hero is coming here as is something from Motorola from what I hear. BTW, I think iPhone is so smooth because it only really runs one thing at a time while Hero for instance runs a lot widgets, sense ui, etc. I mean iPhone 3G has what a 434mhz processor? That's not much at all.
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Some good points there. I'm not sure the Hero will be able to upgrade to Donut. I understand its out the loop. I might be wrong though.
The thing is, its not just speed, actually i'm not bothered about that. I had a touch diamond before so the Hero flies in comparrison. Its the low quality camera/camcorder/battery life/video playback and signal quality that let it down.

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Agree on that but mhz isn´t everything. Hero is running a Qualcomm processor and iPhone 3G a higher quality (some say...) ARM processor.
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It should be said that both the Qualcomm processor *IS* an ARM processor.
The IPhone 3G uses a Samsung designed processor based on the ARM11 core,
and the Hero a Qualcomm processor, again based on an ARM11 core.
The IPhone 3GS uses a Samsung processor again, but this is based on the superior ARM Cortex-A8 core.
Essentially ARM licenses processor cores to semiconductor manufacturers who then build their own SOCs (System on a Chip) by integrating a range of other components onto the same die.
I remember ARM when it stood for Acorn Risc Machines (not Advanced Risc Machines or just ARM as it does today!) and powered the Acorn Archimedes.
Regards,
Dave

My Experience - iPhone / WinMo / Blackberry / Android
Hi,
I brought the original iPhone when it launched in the UK with no apps etc. Since then I have jumped about to Windows Mobile (Touch Diamond + Xperia X1) and also Blackberry (Storm - Curve 8900 - Bold).
Throwing myself back at Apple I got the 3GS when it launched, very nice phone and very fast.
My issues with Apple are the stupid controls they have around the app store and the refusal of background apps. (I totally understand the end user experience can be quantified with no running apps and for the less techy masses this is a good business move).
I however feel grown up enough to be able to manage my own running processes and know that if I run too many it will slow down.
I still do love my iphone and all the apps/games available but all through my iphone life I get drawn back to Windows Mobile as I can do so much on it.
Now I have been waiting for a unlocked Android phone to come along and jumped at the Hero as I have a company SIM card and no personal contract.
I am loving my Hero so far (been just over a week), its not perfect and does hang up sometimes, but at least it comes back quickly and I have not had to reset it etc. I am sure future builds will improve these things, I remember iphone 2.0 release!
Just so nice to be able to run FuriousStream and then actually continue to use my phone for checking mail/twitter/web etc. On my iphone it drove me nuts I had to close the streaming app!
Video recording is SO much better on the 3GS but in fairness for me is a very small part of what I use a phone for so not end of the world.
Sense UI is very nice, I like being able to customise the experience.
I get bored quickly and it saves me getting fed up with the same old.
Will I never go back to the iPhone??? Maybe/Maybe not. Too early to tell, but for me Android is like Windows Mobile as it should have been with background apps plus a good UI with a good marketplace but the option of just installing what you like with no one dictating to you straight from a developers webiste it you want.
Russ

I'm coming from this issue at a different angle. I had (still have) the Xperia X1 and although on the face of it it should do everything you want it is unresponsive at times even with the cooked ROMs that the geniuses here manage to cook (Thanks to them I didn't send the phone back!).
That being said I wasn't too enamoured with WinMo even in its 6.5 guise. Then there is the HTC issue with video which it should do well but never does. So my other contract was up and being an advocate of Linux and Open Source etc. I wanted an Android phone and was gonna go for the HTC Magic - I had a play around with it and even in its infancy Android just blows WinMo away. However the Magic is a touch underpowered and I was hearing not so pleasant things about Video.
Cue the Hero and I was about to jump onto it until... I read about the lag. I couldn't believe it - I didn't want another device that I had to fiddle with so much just to get it running smoothly. I then checked the HTC specs and it is the same that they use in all their phones - and given the video issues that cause problems for Coreplayer etc. I decided I wasn't gonna tie in to another contract on a phone which really should be good but with too many niggles to leave you disappointed.
I then went into the Apple Store to try out the new 3GS and was blown away by the speed, the apps, the seemless integration of everything and realised that it had finally come of age and it would be next device (which it is). It is the closest thing to an all in one device - nothing else comes close. Android will eventually - in fact I would argue in 18 months time it will have surpassed the iPhone and Apples policy of drip feeding features which should be standard. However HTC really needs to change the internals and start upgrading their processors etc. They have designed the most beautiful interface with Sense UI but their hardware just fails to match....
I say this as somebody who really did NOT want to get an Iphone but realised that the competition is still a bit behind and to be fair it is a fantastic device (of course not without its flaws but these are ones that I can live with). I hope my next device will be Android - I suspect though it won't be a HTC device....

fuzzmo said:
However HTC really needs to change the internals and start upgrading their processors etc. They have designed the most beautiful interface with Sense UI but their hardware just fails to match....
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To be honest, I'm not sure I agree with this. The hardware is perfectly capable - you just need to realize that if you have a lot running, it will slow the phone down. Thus far though, from my perspective at least, lag has not been a particular issue - yes, it is there, but it is not ever present (at least for me) and even when it does occur is really is only a minor hiccup. I can happily run MyTracks when walking and surf the web at the same time, and then take a phone call, or do any number of other things, but I appreciate that if I want to do them all at one it is going to be slower.
The iPhone will rarely suffer this kind of issue all the while that Apple mandate that 3rd party applications can't multi-task. I understand their point regarding the user experience, but surely they could allow a user to override this via a system setting.
I get the Apple experience - I really do! I have an iMac and a MacBook, but I really don't like the restrictions they're placing on the iPhone and the App Store, plus I should be able to decide what applications I install on my device.
The problem with the iPhone IMHO, is not the hardware or the software, but the fact that Apple seem to be of the opinion that you don't own your phone, you've just leased it from them!
Regards,
Dave

I used a iPhone as (and various other LG / Samsung dumb phones) my primary phone before I got my HTC Hero. I've been on the borderline weather to sell my HTC hero or not, I've decided not to for now... but it depends on what comes of any updates (if any).
At the end of the day - in my opinion - Android is as good as the iPhone software but only that 'as good' it does nothing better (and that's not saying much!) and I can see why some people comming from an iPhone might be disappointed... very disappointed.

foxmeister said:
The problem with the iPhone IMHO, is not the hardware or the software, but the fact that Apple seem to be of the opinion that you don't own your phone, you've just leased it from them!
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Yep... nothing quite like an arse in a black turtle neck jumper telling you what you can and can't do with a device that will cost you a grand in total is there

mwatson said:
Some good points there. I'm not sure the Hero will be able to upgrade to Donut. I understand its out the loop. I might be wrong though.
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Why would hero not get donut? Even if not officially released by HTC which would be odd, a 3rd party ROM will be released just like G1, Magic

Man this phone is just dropping the ball for me, I used it as an mp3 player tonight while I was at the gym and audio quality through the supplied headphones was not very good. There is no bass at all in the music and no option to adjust an equalizer, after a while the high treble and no bass started to give me a headache. Well I think this just pushed me to my answer, Hero is a sweet phone with incredible possibilities but I literally have a problem with 90% of the functions being inferior to iphone (other than phone freedom and customizations). It makes me sad because I was so excited for this phone and so bored with my iphone, but I just have to stick with what works the best. Hopefully these issues can get polished up real quick.

Handled the Moto Atrix

I was considering buying an Atrix a few days ago and decided I would be better off getting an iPhone 4 instead because of Android 2.2. Now before anyone erupts in a tizzy, I am not a fanboy of any system. I like them all. I have all three major systems now: WP7, iOS, Android. But Android, to me, is old ham. I have been using 2.2 (FroYo) on my HD2 for almost a year now. Currently I'm using an excellent DesireHD ROM on it. I know the ins and outs of Android well now and am very familiar with it. To buy an Android-specific phone would be kind of like a waste. I can have any Android build they put out and have already become accustomed to Gingerbread.
Back to the Atrix - I went to the local AT&T store and aw the Atrix on display. I've never been a fan of Motorola's versions of Android...their UI overlay. But I was definitely intrigued by the hardware itself. Having such excellent specs like dual-cpu and all, I was, for a time, tempted to sign a new contract for one. However, after playing with it, I'm glad I didn't get one. It has the common Moto UI and the form of the phone is very nice. But the build quality wasn't up to par with the iPhone. The UI exhibited the usual stiffness common to the Moto Android UI. The experience just felt like old ham. A "been-there-done-that" experience.
The Atrix is probably perfectly fine for people who aren't already tired of the usual Android experience. They would be the ones best suited to the Atrix. But the build quality leaves a little to be desired. Maybe it was just the particular display unit, but I didn't want to take a chance on it. That's one appeal with Apple products...especially the iPhone. You don't have to worry about what you'll get. You know it will be top-quality before you even handle it. It feels good going for a sure thing. And this time, I wasn't disappointed in a phone purchase. Had I gone for the Atrix, I would have felt ripped.

Personally Im not a fan of iPhone, been there done that, Im not going to mock you or give you a difficult time because of your decision as far as Im concerned its your decision no mine or anyone else's. Ultimately you need to do whats right for you, that being said I've also owned an iPhone and I gotta tell you I like Android far better. I have my own reasons of course, but of the 2 I'm happier with Android.

Your concerns are, in my opinion, 100% valid; That said, I currently have a Motorola Droid 2 which I had bought about a month ago - this is my first android device and thus far I am absolutely in love with the capabilities and open nature of the operating system but I agree on Motorola and their inability to design an intuitive UI...
I own an iPad running the latest version of the iOS and yes, that operating system provides a 100% smooth experience with less complaints than any other. However just like in the Mac vs. Windows war it all boils down to functionality vs. ease of use. Apple monitors and controls 100% of what goes in and out of the device unless the OS is modified but then the smooth experience goes down the drain - all that jailbroken fun software just craps on the stability and all of the sudden the device feels jittery.
I love to hack around with my devices, I am currently putting Android on my iPad in order to dual boot it depending on what I want at the time so for me the iOS devices are more of a nuisance because they are less hacker friendly but for any end-user the devices are amazing - another plus to the iOS devices is the absence of bloatware that all the Android phones (especially Motorola) seem to be packed with and of course the fact that it is not up to the carrier and/or manufacturer which version of the OS we have installed.
It's all a money making scheme and each side has major pros and cons - It's good that you went at it with some smarts and made the right choice! I for one love iPhoes, I love my iPad, and I love my Droid 2.

The iPhone is cleaner and more well-designed, both in hardware and software. However I can do more with Android. In my situation at least, with Android, there truly is an App For That.

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The iPhone is cleaner and more well-designed, both in hardware and software. However I can do more with Android.
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One other thing that came to mind that I forgot to mention in my first post: The battery life.
One thing I know about Android is the low battery life among all handsets. BL varies from one Android handset to another, but they all seem to be on the low side. I knew that the Atrix would likely be even worse for BL due to the high-end hardware. With my iPhone, I am blown away by the BL.
For the last couple of years, I have been using various different phones and my HD2 was the earliest real-smartphone I had bought since selling my first-gen iPhone and going to T-Mobile. With WinMo, the BL was about as good...maybe not quite as good...as the 1st-gen iPhone I had. Using Android on it and getting involved with the Android forums and reading and learning about the pros and cons of Android, I saw a marked decrease in BL. But this was likely just a situation with Android on the HD2. I got into other Android handsets and continued to see low BL, though. The HTC Evo was the most prominent handset with excessively low BL. The T-Mobile MyTouch 4G was another and so on. A friend has the Galaxy S and isn't too pleased with his handset's BL. A lot of online reviewers comment about Android consistently needing larger batteries to compete with other OSs in BL.
I could probably get, at most, 2 days of life out of my HD2 in stand-by. That's the same for the other Android handests I'm familiar with. Since having my iPhone 4, the battery life has been nothing shy of astounding. I can play several games, listen to music for an hour or so, make calls, surf the web, download apps and do a lot on it in a days use and the battery life will be maybe slightly below a quarter down. If doing all of that on my other handsets, including my HD7, which runs WP7, I would already be charging them.
My estimation about the battery life on my iPhone would be such that I would make it 5 to 7 days without a charge on my way of using it. If I were to just leave it in stand-by, I would estimate the battery life would last up 2 weeks or longer.
Like I said, I am blown away by the iPhone 4 battery life.

I charge my droid every few hours.. I know the pain. I bring my charger with me every day at school and work - the bright side is that it charges from 10-100% in an hour, no joke.

Not sure if this is worthy of creating a new thread or not, but to each his own. iPhone build quality is great but the screen is too small. The device feels isolated and not connected in ways a google device is connected. You handled the phone, thats cool.... but put the phone through its paces and you'll see its pretty awesome. iPhone has lost its luster IMO.
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novaIS350 said:
Not sure if this is worthy of creating a new thread or not, but to each his own. iPhone build quality is great but the screen is too small. The device feels isolated and not connected in ways a google device is connected. You handled the phone, thats cool.... but put the phone through its paces and you'll see its pretty awesome. iPhone has lost its luster IMO.
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I know that experience. I wish Apple would make 4.3" the minimum size for iPhones. And Android does a lot of things better...more efficiently...than Apple. My opinion is the UI is more intuitive on Android than it is on iPhone. But the quality and style of the iPhone experience is second to none. Apple's way of doing things is charming and unique. The whole experience has the same kind of appeal Harley Davidson motorcycles have.
Androids are definitely more connected. But, to my surprise, the iPhone has been supremely more connected than my 1st-gen iPhone ever was. I was amazed how well the email accounts setup and established all my folders and such.
If Google would just refine Android to where it got better BL and deal with the system fragmentation...a nightmare for them, I'm sure...Android could be up there in appeal with iOS. But the BL is the main and foremost thing they should deal with. If they solve that, they will be at the top. As it stands with the iPhone, it's a secure feeling knowing no matter which model you get through the years you will always have a quality, ever familiar, experience.
Since having my iPhone4, it has brought back the pleasing experiences I had with my first iPhone. It was like a "coming-home" feeling. It just feels so comfortable.

I must say these forums are very informative, have found out a lot about various devices and about the android system, now to the OP it is funny because this is the same way I feel but funny enough it the iPhone I have moved away from. I originally owned the G1 Day1 and was in love with the OS UI thought it would change things but at that time something was missing.
I then moved on to the I phone 3G and never looked back after that loved it, loved what I could do with it everything just seemed right. Then not to long ago my brother in law showed me his Droid X and wow I was impressed. Android has grow up and is on par or better (for me at least) than the iPhone. Now before hate starts coming my way I just want to make sure I still like iOS I own macbook, iPod and iPad. For me it just felt the same thing on the phone and just wanted to change.
Now the one thing that I have though about for a while now is if Apple has changed the look of the iphone (hardware) love the way it feels now and looks but what about the OS same look and feel since the 1st Gen. If they were to change things up a bit I might still own an iPhone.
Who knows though I'm to much a tech geek to stay with one lol lets see what Apple has up there sleeves for the iPhone5

[Q] What you think about Hp Pre 3 ?

Pre 3 seems great, the keyboard looks solid, screen is gorilla glass, 3.6" is way better than 3.1" curved pebble shape means it will feel great in hand and while 1250 mAH seems low this is a 2nd gen snapdragon so it does require lower power to operate.
what you think its chances of success ?

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Pre 3 seems great, the keyboard looks solid, screen is gorilla glass, 3.6" is way better than 3.1" curved pebble shape means it will feel great in hand and while 1250 mAH seems low this is a 2nd gen snapdragon so it does require lower power to operate.
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I would buy it.. but it should've come out last year

I am waiting for it. I'm currently using a Pre-, have used other phones but keep coming back to webOS

I kind of want to jump from a nexus one to a pre3; however, it needs to have T-mobile 3g. :/

i'm currently on the Evo and debating between getting the Xoom(Wi-Fi Only) or the Pre3 and the Touchpad. Just waiting for some more details

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I would buy it.. but it should've come out last year
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The processor its using wasn't out last year.
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The processor its using wasn't out last year.
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No, but i meant the phone in general, even with a decent processor from last year... The overall phone being released early last year or even in the middle it would've been good for HP.. My opinion

I just ordered an unlocked GSM Pre2 for use on AT&T (freebie, zip, zero, nada). Why? Because it's free, and because I can deal with it until something better than the Pre3 hits the market.
Even though I actually *WORK* for HP, I don't have a whole lot of faith in the Pre3's chances at success...Now, if HP can manage to get a BETTER mobile device out by Q4 '11/Q1 '12, then there may be hope.
Notably missing from Pre3: 4G (at least HSPA+ support on GSM, or some sort of LTE on other carriers). It's shameful for a new phone to launch in Summer '11, and it's NOT 4G. *EFFING SHAMEFUL*
I personally would also prefer a landscape slider, but that's only because I've never had a Palm, and have had two Touch Pros (TP1, and TP2) for the last two years. I've gotten used to the larger keyboards. If they do it, I WILL buy it. Plain and simple.
BTW - I watched the Feb 9 event. I was excited waiting for the Pre3 to blow my socks off, only to be underwhelmed. I DO really like the TouchPad, which is the one thing I wasn't expecting to get excited about. Go figure.

Honestly, I have tried a Pre...for 30 days. I liked it, but it wasn't tempting enough for me to switch from Nexus One to it. I received a Pre2 from a good friend (who got two for free), and I have used it extensively for about a month now.
However, I still use my Optimus 7 (WP7 device) for daily use, and despite all of WP7's shortcomings, I would not recommend Pre2 over a WP7 device.
Pre3 could have been a success if and only if HP delivered like Apple; Introduce the product, then release it within one month.
Of course, mobile landscape is FAR from being decided. Android's rise was surprising in 2010. WP7 might pull off something similar (now with Nokia on board as well), and you never know, HP might just sell a lot of WebOS devices. However, Pre3 is not going to be a great success. WebOS, since HP will put it in EVERYTHING, will be a success and an appealing platform for developers, but not so much when it comes to smartphones.

Hi,
I have Pre and will buy Pre 3. I had few Android phones (HTC Desire, SE X10 and Moto Milestone (Droid in US) and Windows mobile (SE X1 and TP2) and i must say that Android doesn't come nowhere near the effortless usability of WebOS out-of-the-box and with few apps.
I am using it for managing tasks, calendars, contacts and notes (private and business with Exchange) and I must say it is working without any problems. Unlike Androids, especially with Exchange. I am not a FB or Twitter user so I won't comment on that.
I don't need mega screens (I had them and I would trade it for physical keyboard any time) or black slabs since I want the phone to be pocketable. I actually really like the Pre's form factor, small and convenient. And Pre 3 will have better build quality, higher resolution, better keyboard, better screen and faster speed. It will also feature new WebOS - the OS that I like most.
I tried the WP7 and frankly, I don't want to go to old Palm OS functionality (single tasking) just for the sake of looks, which I also get tired with fast (I have been testing the Omnia 7 for two weeks and returned it back). MS can pull it off but I think that in this incarnation it is just not worth it. Beside i have the same restrictions on the marketplace as I do with Palm on both Android and WP7 (only free apps, no paid ones).
So, yes, I will buy it when the time comes. My wife already put a reservation on my Pre which she also prefers over her current SE X8.
Marijan

If Sprint sells it, I will probably buy it. I love Web OS and it's multitasking capabilities, just can't stand that small screen with no flash 10.1

I'm super excited about it. I just got a pre- to play with because my G2 won't sync with my work Exchange calendar and I need to send it off for repair. I'm so impressed by the pre- I might sell the G2 when it gets back. There's only 2 things I don't like about the pre- hardware, and pre3 addresses both those things. Processor speed is the first, which I can forgive because it's a 2009 phone. Resolution is the second, although I like the 3.1 inch size. My G2's screen looks much better because of the higher res, but I wish the phone wasn't so big and it's battery life is terrible which I think the screen is a large contributor to battery drain.
Pre3 is looking like the perfect phone for me

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Notably missing from Pre3: 4G (at least HSPA+ support on GSM, or some sort of LTE on other carriers). It's shameful for a new phone to launch in Summer '11, and it's NOT 4G. *EFFING SHAMEFUL*
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I hope this doesn't offend you, but you sound like a spoilt brat. 4G isn't available everywhere yet. Some countries don't have it at all. I'm sure it's very nice, but for many it's not "notably missing", it's an unnecessary (unusable even) luxury.
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I personally would also prefer a landscape slider, but that's only because I've never had a Palm, and have had two Touch Pros (TP1, and TP2) for the last two years. I've gotten used to the larger keyboards. If they do it, I WILL buy it. Plain and simple.
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I just got a pre- to use while my G2 is being repaired. I agree with you that large landscape keyboards are awesome, but I wouldn't dismiss the smaller portrait keyboard if I were you. I think the pre- keyboard is just as good as the G2's. I was quite surprised actually because it looks so small. I think it's the fact that I don't have to turn my phone that makes up for it's size.

Shouldn't this be in the General section, rather than Software Development?

Had a Pre- from launch day and *loved* it. However, it kept breaking and O2 refused to repair it any longer and gave me a Galaxy S. Lovely handset but I miss WebOS. I can't wait for the Pre3 to hit the UK and I'll buy on launch day. However, they're shooting themselves in the foot be announcing it without a release date. Specs look great by today's standard, but it needs to hit soon. Maybe launch with the Touchpad and do an offer on buying both? I'd be all over that like a rash!
WebOS is SOOOO superior to Android and iOS its beyond belief. I just have little faith in HP's ability to execute!

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Had a Pre- from launch day and *loved* it. However, it kept breaking and O2 refused to repair it any longer and gave me a Galaxy S. Lovely handset but I miss WebOS. I can't wait for the Pre3 to hit the UK and I'll buy on launch day. However, they're shooting themselves in the foot be announcing it without a release date. Specs look great by today's standard, but it needs to hit soon. Maybe launch with the Touchpad and do an offer on buying both? I'd be all over that like a rash!
WebOS is SOOOO superior to Android and iOS its beyond belief. I just have little faith in HP's ability to execute!
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oh god...eeww lmao

Can't say anything about Pre3's chances of success but when it's out I'll be replacing my Pre+ with one. I've used all the major mobile OS's (except BB) and WebOS is the one that I feel most comfortable on. After using iOS and WP7 and Android I kept coming back to my Pre+. Once you've used WebOS, Android feels clunky and iOS feels like a toy. I've been using WebOS as my everyday OS for 9 months now and occasionally I switch to my HD2 (running either Android or WP7) and I just hate it! Sure Android's come a long way since I got my HTC Hero GSM, (then switched to Moto Milestone) but there's just too many keypresses involved to get stuff done! It's how I felt about Symbian S60 (used it for 5 years before switching to Android) and now WebOS makes me feel that way about Android!
The only things that have been bugging me about my Pre+ is the lack of some apps I like to use on iOS/Android and the low screen res. The Pre3 resolves my screen woes with that 3.6" 800x480 screen (which I know will make the OS even more beautiful) and the apps, well hopefully as time goes by and HP pushes WebOS onto millions of devices that will solve itself.
Another thing is the portrait keyboard, landscape keyboards just don't do it for me. The Pre keyboard is a love or hate item. I love it, and if what the early reviewers are saying about how good the Pre3 keyboard is then bring it on!

What do people here think the battery life will be like on this device?

personally I will be jumping from samsung epic to pre 3
webos is best for my usage and needs

Ive used a pre - and plussed one able to oc to 1.2. I also created over 20 patches (some of you might know who I am) so I do love WebOs. I love the elegance of WebOs but until there are real apps (really how many twitter apps do we need) Ill have to wait. The pre3 looks great but if it suffers from the slow app opening syndrome like the Pre-,+, and 2. i will definitely have to pass. Maybe by pre4 hp will get their **** together.

iPhone4 vs Fascinate?

Well my sister is wanting a iPhone4. I'm telling her it's an absolute waste of money... The IPhone4 was already a fail compared to the Fascinate. Any other phones youd recommend? Or any other reasons why she SHOULD get a fascinate?

well from what I have read the fascinate is alot easier to work with in terms of rooting. Im a newb lol so somebody else could explain this better. Do some research and read the stickies... that will help alot. I can say my grandmother has the iphone4 and the SF blows it away imo. Alot lighter for one, bigger screen, better app market and ability to customize the phone.

My opinion is that the Fascinate is a better piece of hardware, but the IOS is clearly superior to android in that it runs faster, smoother, and has less 'issues'.
For instance, Im battling massive battery drain. In the past, I often had a problem where I would wake the phone to make or receive a call, and it would be very slow and unresponsive for 15-20 seconds. Like it was doing a bunch of background crap when I was trying to use the phone. This should never EVER happen.
When the phone is being used, either dialing, in contacts, or on the dial pad, it should receive absolute highest priority since thats the primary use of the device. All other background tasks should be put aside so the user can place the call correctly. The fact that this is not the case shows me the OS is not designed correctly.

^my sf does not have that problem at all....

Best thing you can do is to tell her to go test the phones out at the store and pick the one she likes. Dont pressure her into getting what YOU want, it's her decision and it will be her phone.

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well from what I have read the fascinate is alot easier to work with in terms of rooting. Im a newb lol so somebody else could explain this better. Do some research and read the stickies... that will help alot. I can say my grandmother has the iphone4 and the SF blows it away imo. Alot lighter for one, bigger screen, better app market and ability to customize the phone.
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I'm not a fan boy but you have a couple of your 'facts' wrong.
1. Rooting or jailbreaking my previous iPhones were as simple as going to a website (jailbreakme.com) and pressing a button that said "Jailbreak". Not sure how that is harder that what needs to be done to my SF but....
2. Better app market on android than iPhone? Seriously?
Each phone has it's pro's and cons. I've had every iPhone that has been released but now have a SF. I miss some things about the iPhone but overall like my SF better. But my wife wants to go back to the iPhone because it is "easier to operate" in her words. Some people just like the simplicity that the iOS gives you and don't care about all the customizations you can do on android.
So it depends on what you want to do with your phone.

The good news is the 30 return policy. Maybe have her try both for a month and see what she likes and doesnt. Start her with the fassy though

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The good news is the 30 return policy. Maybe have her try both for a month and see what she likes and doesnt. Start her with the fassy though
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as of feb 1st its been 14 days....

Android will soon take over Apple, it's a definite. Just remember, Android is a kid right now while iPhone is a grown man (lol lame).
Cool things about Android that are not the same about iPhone:
*Android has a much more open market. Google doesn't moderate apps as hard as Apple does, so there are many more possiblities.
*Android has homescreens/homescreen widgets!!
*Android apps can 'work together' with the use of intents and such, while Apple does NOT let apps work or talk to eachother.
*Android is Google. Google is awesome.

I do not like the Iphone, but in this case I would competely reccomend it, because if she isnt too good with electronics the Iphone is perfect. Big Buttons on the front for everything lol, and its just more in style I guess...

This is what I tell people about Android vs. iPhone. I feel that both are great in different ways.
iPhone is great for its simplicity & app store. You can sync your music, videos, pictures, and data on your computer. I don't think there's a similar program for Android (yet). iOS is pretty simple, straight forward. The software is streamlined and quicker to learn than Android. I say that because you can do more with Android, but it just takes more time to get the hang of it. Apple's App Store is better right now. More quality apps there. Also, some developers feel that it is more profitable than Android Market. There are a few apps that I wish were for Android but other than that, it's whatever. Usually you can find equivalent apps on both platforms.
As for an Android phone, it's great for people who like to customize and tinker around. I enjoy the community support greatly, it's a huge plus. Users and developers can enhance the experience of Android software WAY faster than iOS. I'm talking about bug fixes, tweaks, mods, themes, etc. Home screens, launchers, widgets, and custom roms are all HUGE pluses over iPhone. There is total customization here and it's amazing how you can change your phone and make it better from when you first get it. My Samsung Fascinate would be 'just ok' but thanks to custom roms, community support, and so on, it makes the phone much, much better!
Cons to Android are that it is sometimes buggy as Android software is used over many different phone brands. Apple develops software for JUST iPhone so their software will be more stable. It's like how Windows software runs on many different hardware (Dell, HP, Acer, etc.) so it doesn't always perform the same w/brands but Apple builds both their hardware and software exclusively so it doesn't have issues like that.
If you want something simple, easy, that "just works" and does the thinking for you, go iPhone. If you enjoy technology, exploring, and like to push your phone to its full potential, Android is the way to go. More possibilities and potential there.

whoisandy is completely right, it isn't a matter of which is better universally moreover it is about which device is better for its user.
I have used both devices, made calls, listened to fans of both and all it comes down to is what works for you.
I love the customization of android, the open source support, and the ability to choose what device is right for me.
The Iphone is an amazing phone and for someone who is not much of a gear head it will be perfect. It is always up-to-date and supported. Everything will be taken care of with the Iphone.
Both are great phones with amazing potential but to say one is better then the other is a little ignorant and self serving.

I agree with the two posts above me. Each phone is great for its own reasons. Let her try them both and make her own decision.
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This is what I tell people about Android vs. iPhone. I feel that both are great in different ways.
iPhone is great for its simplicity & app store. You can sync your music, videos, pictures, and data on your computer. I don't think there's a similar program for Android (yet). iOS is pretty simple, straight forward. The software is streamlined and quicker to learn than Android. I say that because you can do more with Android, but it just takes more time to get the hang of it. Apple's App Store is better right now. More quality apps there. Also, some developers feel that it is more profitable than Android Market. There are a few apps that I wish were for Android but other than that, it's whatever. Usually you can find equivalent apps on both platforms.
As for an Android phone, it's great for people who like to customize and tinker around. I enjoy the community support greatly, it's a huge plus. Users and developers can enhance the experience of Android software WAY faster than iOS. I'm talking about bug fixes, tweaks, mods, themes, etc. Home screens, launchers, widgets, and custom roms are all HUGE pluses over iPhone. There is total customization here and it's amazing how you can change your phone and make it better from when you first get it. My Samsung Fascinate would be 'just ok' but thanks to custom roms, community support, and so on, it makes the phone much, much better!
Cons to Android are that it is sometimes buggy as Android software is used over many different phone brands. Apple develops software for JUST iPhone so their software will be more stable. It's like how Windows software runs on many different hardware (Dell, HP, Acer, etc.) so it doesn't always perform the same w/brands but Apple builds both their hardware and software exclusively so it doesn't have issues like that.
If you want something simple, easy, that "just works" and does the thinking for you, go iPhone. If you enjoy technology, exploring, and like to push your phone to its full potential, Android is the way to go. More possibilities and potential there.
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Great post!! I retract my previous post and will say that for me the android phone is better due to fact I love to tinker and customize things lol. Iphone is a great phone....probably the better option for someone like my grandmother who just wants it to do everything for her.

Ya know though if you dig hard enough, you can actually customize an iPhone. Had one for a while jailbroken (rooted), and baseband unlocked running on T-Mobile. The alternative market, Cydia, that installs when you jailbreak has apps to customize the springboard (iPhone's launcher). There's even a console app. Underlying the interface is just yet another Linux variant. There's a txt file you can edit to ramp up the clock speed (at least on 3g and 3gs) and make the os snappier, at the cost of battery life.
The part I really hated about it was being chained to a computer running iTunes. If it glitches bad, and won't boot for some reason, unless you've been synching it religiously, you loose data back to your last sync. Kinda a pain, so...
That tiny 3.5" screen hurts my head after having this 4" on my fassy. I'll never use a phone with a screen under 4" again. It is, however, slightly easier to hold the phone in one hand, and reach across with the thumb on that same hand to hit the far side of the screen cleanly on a sub 4" screen foe folks with small hands, like me, but I'be adjusted.
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hahah...say grandma, are you a sheep. or are you a wolf...hahahahaha..
im kidding.
like posted before. iphone equals simplistic.
android equals possibilities. no matter how much you jailbreak an iphone, you wont obtain the same level of customization that you will with the android phones.
my thoughts, why get her either anyway? get her something that doesnt require so much thinking. My grandmother, was a firm believer that a phone was a quote" goddam phone first and everything else second" so maybe an iphone or fascinate isnt what she needs.
I say this comfortably knowing that even friends of mine have grabbed my phone to place a call and have to ask me how to get to the damn dialer. of course i said FU touchwiz, and changed everything. but still. Take her to the store, and let HER choose which one she wants.
unless you want her to get a fascinate so you can try new roms and **** out on hers without having to brick yours....you evil bastard genius you lol

that word "iphone" should be a word that you say out of anger ex: "holy iphone!" and in that context only

If your sister doesn't want to do research/understand the pros and cons of each phone then the iphone is probably a better bet, due to her wanting something that "just works" as others have said.
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I have had my fascinate for 3 months now, my wife got the iphone 4, she wanted to try the fascinate so we swapped phones, i use apple products, we have and iMac, macbook air, ipad and all that crap, but when i used that iphone 4, it just felt boring, it felt like it was missing a bunch of features that i had with my fascinate.
don't get me wrong, is one hell of a phone, great built quality and everything but i missed my fascinate so much and we ended up swapping again, as soon as i got my fascinate i rooted the f*** out of it and made it the way i like it, and im happy with it, no word on iphone 5 yet but honestly im more excited about the Galaxy S 2 if verizon ever gets it.

^Agreed.^ Anyways I would wait for the iPhone 5 and the Galaxy S 2 because those will be out by June for sure.

SGSII My thoughts on this Phone and Android

I've had the SGSII for about a week now after moving from a Nexus One running CM7, and wow I am impressed.
I know that in the grand scheme of things it's an incremental upgrade - the main reason I left it a while to move - however the SGII has in my view made a significant leap.
The main thing is that the UI is now as smooth and as refined as the iOS devices. I don't know what Samsung did that nobody else in the Android market has managed, but they've finally managed to make things as smooth as the iPhone.
I finally get that delicious feeling of having the UI elements "stick" to my finger as I move them around, rather than chase behind.
While we all know this is a superficial thing and adds little to the actual functionality, I believe this has finally closed the gap in terms of delight in using the device. I hate to use the sickening Apple term, but surely the average user will find just as much "magic" in using the SGSII as any iOS device.
Web browsing is now super smooth (hardware accelerated?) as are the home screens. Going back to my N1 I really feel the difference.
The SGSII is even more buttery smooth than my Asus Transformer running honeycomb.
Hopefully whatever Samsung have done, whether it be related to the chips in the phone or software tweaks, will be copied by all Android devices, and we can put the nagging sense of UI inferiority behind us (and I know the lack of smoothness bugged you no matter how hard you denied it).
Let's hope Android has put stuttering and lagging behind it forever. Well done Samsung.
P.S.
I haven't used the HTC Sensation so I don't know if they too have achieved this, but this is based on my observations of the hardware at my disposal.

About the same as my view of the phone thats why i find it hard to understand the this is a crap phone posts can i have sense on it is their an IOS4 rom for it etc . A if i thought the phone was crap i would have returned it B if i wanted sense i would have bought sense phone .
But yes with Android customers have choice across a broad range of phones and that is why its winning the sales drive .
Looking forward to more Android improvements as this is only really year two of development .
jje

Dont get your point.
I find the IP4 laggy compared to the SGS2 . The i9100 is by far smoother in my opinion

I haven't used or seen a better smartphone. My sgs2 is borderline biblical!

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The main thing is that the UI is now as smooth and as refined as the iOS devices. I don't know what Samsung did that nobody else in the Android market has managed, but they've finally managed to make things as smooth as the iPhone.
I finally get that delicious feeling of having the UI elements "stick" to my finger as I move them around, rather than chase behind.
While we all know this is a superficial thing and adds little to the actual functionality, I believe this has finally closed the gap in terms of delight in using the device. I hate to use the sickening Apple term, but surely the average user will find just as much "magic" in using the SGSII as any iOS device.
Web browsing is now super smooth (hardware accelerated?) as are the home screens. Going back to my N1 I really feel the difference.
The SGSII is even more buttery smooth than my Asus Transformer running honeycomb.
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u could not have said it any better
what u explained is the MAIN reason i bought this phone
there is no " lag " its just wonderful
what would make this phone perfect is a ROM based of AOSP
which im still waiting for team hacksung to finish its version of CM7

austinchimp said:
The main thing is that the UI is now as smooth and as refined as the iOS devices. I don't know what Samsung did that nobody else in the Android market has managed, but they've finally managed to make things as smooth as the iPhone.
Web browsing is now super smooth (hardware accelerated?) as are the home screens. Going back to my N1 I really feel the difference.
The SGSII is even more buttery smooth than my Asus Transformer running honeycomb.
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samsung has hardware accelerated many parts of the UI. the web browser for example is hardware accelerated, as well as a few other places.
this is why i blast google. they should have been using hardware acceleration from day 1 to give the same smooth UI experience as the iphone. the SGS2 is not doing anything special, its not the dual core making it so smooth. its simply because samsung took the time to optimize the SGS2 with graphics chip, rather than putting the burden on the CPU 100% of the time.
the nexus one would be just as smooth. look at WP7 devices. they all use the same hardware as the n1, but use hardware acceleration and proper drivers, and are the smoothest devices in the world right now.

Well that was my point - How come it's taken so long, and a few generations of Android devices for this to be done? I honestly didn't think it was possible for an Android 2.3 device to be so smooth, I thought there was something fundamental in the architecture that was going to always mean a little lag.
I'd given up any of this generation of Android phones achieving true smooth motion, and here Samsung have done it without this development even being publicised that much.
I totally agree Android should have been like this - it just blows my mind that it's taken so long, and I can see no excuse for any top tier device from any other manufacturer not to match what Samsung have done.
Also, if it is just a case of tuning the software, why haven't/didn't Samsung do it with the SGS I ?

The "this is a crap phone" posts probably mostly come from people who don't own this. ...I know that might sound a little odd but trust me, even in Android communities there are fan-boys, and some actually go that far...

yup. time to throw my htc legend. i play the pinball game. the ball look like teleporting...
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I went from a Nexus One to an iPhone 4, and then to this amazing device. All I have to say is that its been the best experience yet. I actually had lag on my iPhone 4... And very little to none on the SG2. I agree that most people bashing this phone probably don't even own one. I'll definitely be buying an SGS3. Goodbye HTC and to their ****ty voice/speaker quality and locked bootloaders. And hello Samsung.
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Its hard to understand why people love this device soo much unless you actually ownit. This phone seems to give the feeling that android should have been this fluid from the beginning. There is no device (including the sensation) that operates as smoothly as the sgs2. I love this phone.

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I went from a Nexus One to an iPhone 4, and then to this amazing device. All I have to say is that its been the best experience yet. I actually had lag on my iPhone 4... And very little to none on the SG2. I agree that most people bashing this phone probably don't even own one. I'll definitely be buying an SGS3. Goodbye HTC and to their ****ty voice/speaker quality and locked bootloaders. And hello Samsung.
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GS3! Wow...the rumours, are TOO GOOD. Anything Apple pull out of the bag, even next year would simple pale in comparison to the GS3.

Posts like these makes me anxious to get mine. Still waiting on UPS!
If Samsung did some hardware/driver acceleration magic, I wonder if CM7 and the other AOSP ROM project will be able to take advantage of this as well. I don't want the stock ROM to be the only super smooth and slick ROM available.

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Well that was my point - How come it's taken so long, and a few generations of Android devices for this to be done? I honestly didn't think it was possible for an Android 2.3 device to be so smooth, I thought there was something fundamental in the architecture that was going to always mean a little lag.
I'd given up any of this generation of Android phones achieving true smooth motion, and here Samsung have done it without this development even being publicised that much.
I totally agree Android should have been like this - it just blows my mind that it's taken so long, and I can see no excuse for any top tier device from any other manufacturer not to match what Samsung have done.
Also, if it is just a case of tuning the software, why haven't/didn't Samsung do it with the SGS I ?
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it hasnt taken too long. the original galaxy s also had hardware acceleration in the browser for example. only the international version, but it was lightening fast and smooth as butter. it only is because samsung took the initiative and did a custom job. google certainly hasnt implemented it yet, and in ice cream sandwich they claim it will come.
i'm right there with you, manufacturers should have been pushing for a UI experience that matches apple's.

since the op is sharing thoughts about the device, i'll share mine too. i FINALLY received it in the mail today. opened the box, the device is bigger than it looks in the online review (coming from a nexus s 4g). the thin factor is impressive, but not as impressive as i was expecting. the smoothness is there as expected, but the "S" boot image is freakishly laggy--no big deal.
camera-really good
screen-what can i say? super amoled plus looks great,
hardware finish/quality-pretty good...but i prefer the smooth back over the textured back--no big deal
touchwiz 4.0-hmm, this is tough, i need to play with it some more. samsung obviously put a lot to this UI, but so far it doesnt seem as refined as other skins...for example, the default lock screen is kind of laggy, and is a pain sometimes to fully move the lockscreen so that it unlocks. numerical battery percentage would be nice without having to go into settings...other than these minor gripes, i love the touchwiz widgets.
obviously samsung has really tried to outdo itself and competitors, and the sgs II is perhaps the best android phone out there. but as of right now, it doesn't really give me that "wow" factor despite all its features. but i've only had it for one day and haven't gotten to test out the dual core, dlna, and other features.