Handled the Moto Atrix - Atrix 4G General

Handled the Moto Atrix - Atrix 4G General

I was considering buying an Atrix a few days ago and decided I would be better off getting an iPhone 4 instead because of Android 2.2. Now before anyone erupts in a tizzy, I am not a fanboy of any system. I like them all. I have all three major systems now: WP7, iOS, Android. But Android, to me, is old ham. I have been using 2.2 (FroYo) on my HD2 for almost a year now. Currently I'm using an excellent DesireHD ROM on it. I know the ins and outs of Android well now and am very familiar with it. To buy an Android-specific phone would be kind of like a waste. I can have any Android build they put out and have already become accustomed to Gingerbread.
Back to the Atrix - I went to the local AT&T store and aw the Atrix on display. I've never been a fan of Motorola's versions of Android...their UI overlay. But I was definitely intrigued by the hardware itself. Having such excellent specs like dual-cpu and all, I was, for a time, tempted to sign a new contract for one. However, after playing with it, I'm glad I didn't get one. It has the common Moto UI and the form of the phone is very nice. But the build quality wasn't up to par with the iPhone. The UI exhibited the usual stiffness common to the Moto Android UI. The experience just felt like old ham. A "been-there-done-that" experience.
The Atrix is probably perfectly fine for people who aren't already tired of the usual Android experience. They would be the ones best suited to the Atrix. But the build quality leaves a little to be desired. Maybe it was just the particular display unit, but I didn't want to take a chance on it. That's one appeal with Apple products...especially the iPhone. You don't have to worry about what you'll get. You know it will be top-quality before you even handle it. It feels good going for a sure thing. And this time, I wasn't disappointed in a phone purchase. Had I gone for the Atrix, I would have felt ripped.

Personally Im not a fan of iPhone, been there done that, Im not going to mock you or give you a difficult time because of your decision as far as Im concerned its your decision no mine or anyone else's. Ultimately you need to do whats right for you, that being said I've also owned an iPhone and I gotta tell you I like Android far better. I have my own reasons of course, but of the 2 I'm happier with Android.

Your concerns are, in my opinion, 100% valid; That said, I currently have a Motorola Droid 2 which I had bought about a month ago - this is my first android device and thus far I am absolutely in love with the capabilities and open nature of the operating system but I agree on Motorola and their inability to design an intuitive UI...
I own an iPad running the latest version of the iOS and yes, that operating system provides a 100% smooth experience with less complaints than any other. However just like in the Mac vs. Windows war it all boils down to functionality vs. ease of use. Apple monitors and controls 100% of what goes in and out of the device unless the OS is modified but then the smooth experience goes down the drain - all that jailbroken fun software just craps on the stability and all of the sudden the device feels jittery.
I love to hack around with my devices, I am currently putting Android on my iPad in order to dual boot it depending on what I want at the time so for me the iOS devices are more of a nuisance because they are less hacker friendly but for any end-user the devices are amazing - another plus to the iOS devices is the absence of bloatware that all the Android phones (especially Motorola) seem to be packed with and of course the fact that it is not up to the carrier and/or manufacturer which version of the OS we have installed.
It's all a money making scheme and each side has major pros and cons - It's good that you went at it with some smarts and made the right choice! I for one love iPhoes, I love my iPad, and I love my Droid 2.

The iPhone is cleaner and more well-designed, both in hardware and software. However I can do more with Android. In my situation at least, with Android, there truly is an App For That.

perdurabo2 said:
The iPhone is cleaner and more well-designed, both in hardware and software. However I can do more with Android.
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One other thing that came to mind that I forgot to mention in my first post: The battery life.
One thing I know about Android is the low battery life among all handsets. BL varies from one Android handset to another, but they all seem to be on the low side. I knew that the Atrix would likely be even worse for BL due to the high-end hardware. With my iPhone, I am blown away by the BL.
For the last couple of years, I have been using various different phones and my HD2 was the earliest real-smartphone I had bought since selling my first-gen iPhone and going to T-Mobile. With WinMo, the BL was about as good...maybe not quite as good...as the 1st-gen iPhone I had. Using Android on it and getting involved with the Android forums and reading and learning about the pros and cons of Android, I saw a marked decrease in BL. But this was likely just a situation with Android on the HD2. I got into other Android handsets and continued to see low BL, though. The HTC Evo was the most prominent handset with excessively low BL. The T-Mobile MyTouch 4G was another and so on. A friend has the Galaxy S and isn't too pleased with his handset's BL. A lot of online reviewers comment about Android consistently needing larger batteries to compete with other OSs in BL.
I could probably get, at most, 2 days of life out of my HD2 in stand-by. That's the same for the other Android handests I'm familiar with. Since having my iPhone 4, the battery life has been nothing shy of astounding. I can play several games, listen to music for an hour or so, make calls, surf the web, download apps and do a lot on it in a days use and the battery life will be maybe slightly below a quarter down. If doing all of that on my other handsets, including my HD7, which runs WP7, I would already be charging them.
My estimation about the battery life on my iPhone would be such that I would make it 5 to 7 days without a charge on my way of using it. If I were to just leave it in stand-by, I would estimate the battery life would last up 2 weeks or longer.
Like I said, I am blown away by the iPhone 4 battery life.

I charge my droid every few hours.. I know the pain. I bring my charger with me every day at school and work - the bright side is that it charges from 10-100% in an hour, no joke.

Not sure if this is worthy of creating a new thread or not, but to each his own. iPhone build quality is great but the screen is too small. The device feels isolated and not connected in ways a google device is connected. You handled the phone, thats cool.... but put the phone through its paces and you'll see its pretty awesome. iPhone has lost its luster IMO.
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novaIS350 said:
Not sure if this is worthy of creating a new thread or not, but to each his own. iPhone build quality is great but the screen is too small. The device feels isolated and not connected in ways a google device is connected. You handled the phone, thats cool.... but put the phone through its paces and you'll see its pretty awesome. iPhone has lost its luster IMO.
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I know that experience. I wish Apple would make 4.3" the minimum size for iPhones. And Android does a lot of things better...more efficiently...than Apple. My opinion is the UI is more intuitive on Android than it is on iPhone. But the quality and style of the iPhone experience is second to none. Apple's way of doing things is charming and unique. The whole experience has the same kind of appeal Harley Davidson motorcycles have.
Androids are definitely more connected. But, to my surprise, the iPhone has been supremely more connected than my 1st-gen iPhone ever was. I was amazed how well the email accounts setup and established all my folders and such.
If Google would just refine Android to where it got better BL and deal with the system fragmentation...a nightmare for them, I'm sure...Android could be up there in appeal with iOS. But the BL is the main and foremost thing they should deal with. If they solve that, they will be at the top. As it stands with the iPhone, it's a secure feeling knowing no matter which model you get through the years you will always have a quality, ever familiar, experience.
Since having my iPhone4, it has brought back the pleasing experiences I had with my first iPhone. It was like a "coming-home" feeling. It just feels so comfortable.

I must say these forums are very informative, have found out a lot about various devices and about the android system, now to the OP it is funny because this is the same way I feel but funny enough it the iPhone I have moved away from. I originally owned the G1 Day1 and was in love with the OS UI thought it would change things but at that time something was missing.
I then moved on to the I phone 3G and never looked back after that loved it, loved what I could do with it everything just seemed right. Then not to long ago my brother in law showed me his Droid X and wow I was impressed. Android has grow up and is on par or better (for me at least) than the iPhone. Now before hate starts coming my way I just want to make sure I still like iOS I own macbook, iPod and iPad. For me it just felt the same thing on the phone and just wanted to change.
Now the one thing that I have though about for a while now is if Apple has changed the look of the iphone (hardware) love the way it feels now and looks but what about the OS same look and feel since the 1st Gen. If they were to change things up a bit I might still own an iPhone.
Who knows though I'm to much a tech geek to stay with one lol lets see what Apple has up there sleeves for the iPhone5

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Advice: Nexus One over iPhone (not quite a vs. thread)

So I am looking to purchase a Nexus One sometime within the next month or so. I'm an AT&T user and currently am using the FUZE with a custom ROM and running the Eclair XDAndroid build, which obviously doesn't compare to a real android device in any way, shape, or form. I'm completely aware of the features and abilities of both the iPhone and the N1, so this isn't really a feature comparison thread. On paper I know what the N1 is capable of, and everyone I know (literally) has a freaking iPhone so I know what that is capable of in the real world with real use.
Getting to the point, since you folks have been using the N1, may I ask what you like about your N1 over the iPhone? I'm following threads and seeing people with dust complaints, tinted screens, horrifying battery life, the touch sensitive buttons at the bottom not responding... and I'm just struggling on convincing myself to spend over $530 USD on a phone that could cause me problems over spending $300 USD on an iPhone that I know performs very well and already has a ton of memory built in, but lacks everything else that I want in the N1. Are most of these issues from earlier models of the phone? Do they occur more in say the T-Mobile version over the AT&T version (or vice-versa)?
I know this probably seems like a dumb thread, but I've searched and I've heard all the comparisons for features, but I just want to hear your comparisons through actual real world experience with the device (even if you haven't use the iPhone. Oh, and I did see the CNET video of the iPhone vs N1 brawl and that definitely is helping me lean more and more towards the N1.
Any advice would be great. Just please don't turn this into a flame war, both phones are fantastic in their own ways.

all those issues only apply to a select few or to people that have major ocd..i did like my iphone but i didnt love it..i love my nexus one its a really great phone..i love that i can use it to tether too my laptop, use it as BRIGHT flash light, customize it too my liking, and not having to deal with iphone.
The one thing i did miss when i went back to android from my iphone was the games..iphone games are really really nice but that feeling has gone away since now alot of the 3d games on the iphone are being made for android.
the iphone is a great phone but the UI is sooooooooooo boring..i hated that 4x4 icon page on it.i love having widgets
so to sum it all up get a nexus one......and a ipad ahah

That's kind of my worry. I don't have that kind of money to throw around every couple of months, I don't want to invest all that money and in a couple of months just be jealous of all my friends with iPhones. But it is nice to hear you love your N1, the only apple fanboy thing I'm into is their operating system, anything outside of that I'm not really a huge fan of Apple (I stuck with WinMo just because I could customize it without hassle, unlike the iPhone which is a risk to brick every time you jailbreak it and there's a firmware update)

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That's kind of my worry. I don't have that kind of money to throw around every couple of months, I don't want to invest all that money and in a couple of months just be jealous of all my friends with iPhones. But it is nice to hear you love your N1, the only apple fanboy thing I'm into is their operating system, anything outside of that I'm not really a huge fan of Apple (I stuck with WinMo just because I could customize it without hassle, unlike the iPhone which is a risk to brick every time you jailbreak it and there's a firmware update)
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ya i love my macbook its the best thing that ever happened to me ahah..and honestly the chance of bricking and iphone while jailbreaking is slim to none but its a pain when apple is constantly sending you updates to unjailbreak it..trust me you will not be jealous of their iphones

bobdude5 said:
all those issues only apply to a select few or to people that have major ocd..i did like my iphone but i didnt love it..i love my nexus one its a really great phone..i love that i can use it to tether too my laptop, use it as BRIGHT flash light, customize it too my liking, and not having to deal with iphone.
The one thing i did miss when i went back to android from my iphone was the games..iphone games are really really nice but that feeling has gone away since now alot of the 3d games on the iphone are being made for android.
the iphone is a great phone but the UI is sooooooooooo boring..i hated that 4x4 icon page on it.i love having widgets
so to sum it all up get a nexus one......and a ipad ahah
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Awesome note with the games though, I don't play games on my phone much (sadly I'm horribly addicted to solitaire...haha) so I never really got into the games aspect, I only have one or two on my iPod Touch, most of the time I use the basic Apps which are also available on Android (twitter, facebook, shazaam, things like that). So that's a good thing to keep in mind.
I think one of my biggest worries is battery life. I don't work a job where I can charge my phone at all throughout the day, and there are times I leave at 8am and don't get home until 7pm or later, and I don't want to have to worry that my phone won't make it. My WinMo phone always ends at around 60% with standard/moderate use so I never have to worry about running home to get a charge if I get hung up after work.

idk man, by far the best phone i have ever owned so far. (may be contradicting to what i just said but i literally do not care)
features list is just BOOM!
battery is amazing for me. no dead pixels. saturated screen. bright flashlight (nexus one torch).. idk so many to list.
if you wanna buy RIGHT NOW. go for the nexus one,
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if you can wait til July...... wait. becuase you may regret it if you dont have the money to buy the newest badass thing, like maybe the 4Gen iPhone, and new product from HTC, or anyone... really its all so hard to tell but if you can wait, i think that'd be in your best interest.
and the only thing i miss about the iphone thats slowly sucking me back in (happens about twice a year, ive owned all the iphones and sold them too haha) is the slickkkkkk UI. the LARGE community and the apps that actually work clean, and flawlessly. the iphones' transition between homescreens is definitely smooth as butter. nexus one? smooth as sand paper.. the ability to take screen shots on the iphone with ease... idk.. haha

nexus one last me a whole a day with heavy usage (texting, internet, games, music, calling) i disagree with the slick UI..iphone has a HORRIBLE UI in my opinion its too plain and transition is just as smooth..the community for android is also huge and screenshots is easy too..just shake the phone (shootme app on market)

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nexus one last me a whole a day with heavy usage (texting, internet, games, music, calling) i disagree with the slick UI..iphone has a HORRIBLE UI in my opinion its too plain and transition is just as smooth..the community for android is also huge and screenshots is easy too..just shake the phone (shootme app on market)
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slick as in quick and easy i guess?
and my nexus easily lasts me 1.5+ days under HEAVY usage.
cool i didnt know about that app! thanks!
although you dont need an app for the iphone haha

lol well i never really got a chance to test past 1.5 days lol i charge it when im go to bed but it usually has 40 percent at the time ( i got to bed like at 1-2 am lol)

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lol well i never really got a chance to test past 1.5 days lol i charge it when im go to bed but it usually has 40 percent at the time ( i got to bed like at 1-2 am lol)
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i totally agree.. just one night i forgot to plug it in. died later that day though (didnt necessarily let it "die" i just shut it off at like 2%)

My phone is simply perfect. No issues whatsoever, apparently I am one of the lucky Nexus owners. The only thing though, I do like about the iPhone more - is the UI polish. Apple is simply great at designing things. I'm ok though, as long as I have a Desire ROM. HTC Sense is quite nice.

Youll be happy with the nexus. It is great now and stands to realize much of its latent potential if Google wants it to. If you've had an iPhone you will definitely be disappointed in the touch screen. It's possible though that Android might be able to iron out some of the jittery, jumpiness of the nexus touch screen. But its a decent screen,those who have never used an iPhone think the nexus has the best touch screen there is so its definitely not a deal breaker.
Also, the nexus has higher resolution but I don't think there's and denying that the iPhone just looks crisper, especially the browser. But the nexus gpu definitely loads pages faster. I think I'm just rambling now...

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Getting to the point, since you folks have been using the N1, may I ask what you like about your N1 over the iPhone? I'm following threads and seeing people with dust complaints, tinted screens, horrifying battery life, the touch sensitive buttons at the bottom not responding... and I'm just struggling on convincing myself to spend over $530 USD on a phone that could cause me problems over spending $300 USD on an iPhone that I know performs very well and already has a ton of memory built in, but lacks everything else that I want in the N1. Are most of these issues from earlier models of the phone? Do they occur more in say the T-Mobile version over the AT&T version (or vice-versa)?
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Multitasking
The fact that it's unique and NOT an iPhone that everyone and their mother has
Customization
Live wallpapers
High resolution (2.5 times the iPhone)
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Also, the nexus has higher resolution but I don't think there's and denying that the iPhone just looks crisper, especially the browser.
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Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, what?
No denying that? I 10000% heartily deny that. Disagree to the nth power.

lostinbeta said:
So I am looking to purchase a Nexus One sometime within the next month or so. I'm an AT&T user and currently am using the FUZE with a custom ROM and running the Eclair XDAndroid build, which obviously doesn't compare to a real android device in any way, shape, or form. I'm completely aware of the features and abilities of both the iPhone and the N1, so this isn't really a feature comparison thread. On paper I know what the N1 is capable of, and everyone I know (literally) has a freaking iPhone so I know what that is capable of in the real world with real use.
Getting to the point, since you folks have been using the N1, may I ask what you like about your N1 over the iPhone? I'm following threads and seeing people with dust complaints, tinted screens, horrifying battery life, the touch sensitive buttons at the bottom not responding... and I'm just struggling on convincing myself to spend over $530 USD on a phone that could cause me problems over spending $300 USD on an iPhone that I know performs very well and already has a ton of memory built in, but lacks everything else that I want in the N1. Are most of these issues from earlier models of the phone? Do they occur more in say the T-Mobile version over the AT&T version (or vice-versa)?
I know this probably seems like a dumb thread, but I've searched and I've heard all the comparisons for features, but I just want to hear your comparisons through actual real world experience with the device (even if you haven't use the iPhone. Oh, and I did see the CNET video of the iPhone vs N1 brawl and that definitely is helping me lean more and more towards the N1.
Any advice would be great. Just please don't turn this into a flame war, both phones are fantastic in their own ways.
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It all comes down to your personal preference. You can read all types of reviews and you'll see that Nexus One wins over iPhone 3GS. The features of the phone are outstanding. Just ask yourself what you want in your phone. If you want lots of applications, music, go for iPhone but if you want free applications, customizations, widgets, great camera, blazing fast web experience, go for Nexus One. Its just a matter of time before android applications touch the mark set by iPhone. Once you root your Nexus One, its going to be a whole world of possibilities....
For the issues you read about Nexus One, I want to tell you that the tinted screen is only present in the newer devices which would be very soon fixed by an update. The capacitive buttons work perfectly when pressed on the upper half of the button. The dust problem is present in a very small no. or hardwares and if you live in US, then you can call for a replacement if it happens with you.
Android would very soon be taken up by most of the mobile makers as its open sourced and free. I read somewhere that the phone companies who have taken up android OS have to pay very little in comparison to Windows Mobile.
So go for Nexus One, you wont be sorry....

Here's what I wrote in another forum regarding this question:
Having thought about it I realised that the choice to go for an N1 is easy if it fits your needs. Since it has been released all the focus has been on how it compares to the iphone. Understandable as apple set a high bar with many features such as the apps, the graphical physics and ease of use. The n1 more or less matches them and comparing many of these features doesn't get you far. They both are fantastic bits of hardware, great screens, amazing computing power, touchscreens etc. In some ways the N1 performs a bit better in others the iphone but the differences between them are small.
However I think the N1 has gone to a new level with features the iphone simply hasn't got. I don't have to open an app to access the information I want. My calender, agenda, weather, news, daily Bible reading, personal photo's, music player (and playlists) one touch dialling to favourite contacts (and many other thing I don't use) all run on my home pages. And here's where it moves mobile information on; all these widgets update automatically and wirelessly. I don't have to plug my phone into my computer to update my agenda, it happen without hassle right onto my homescreen. Furthermore these services are free - and yes I did pay for mobile me and no its not worth it.
Bottom line is that both the iphone and the N1 are great bits of kit, you won't notice many gains in function between either hardware as far as I can tell but the software has moved on from simply apps. Unfortunately the press just focus on the things that you can compare but the how can you compare widget on a N1 to nothing on the iphone? The N1 is in a different class to the iphone because it does things the iphone can't dream of doing, try to keep up apple!

Thank You everybody. Your advice has been helpful. I actually feel that the Android UI is nicer than the iPhone, to me the iPhone seems plain. Though I will admit that the iPhone is probably a little more user friendly, I don't mind the extra clicks on Android, and it's not like it's difficult to figure out by any stretch of the means. And it's good to know that the issues people are having are only occurring in a small percentage of devices, I was really worried that I would throw down that kind of money and have a jacked phone that only lasted me half a day and had a dusty mis-tinted screen...haha. Hopefully I'll be able to get my N1 ordered by the end of this month.
The next step would be rooting. I don't think I'll root it until after the warranty is up, but I don't know, I said the same thing about ROMing my FUZE and that didn't happen. Though on an unrelated question, how come so many N1 ROM threads don't have screenshots of the ROM. The ShootMe app works great, I use it on my FUZE with Eclair. It just seems like a big risk to install a ROM without knowing what you're supposed to be getting.

actually its less clicks for android lol you know with the widgets and all..with the iphone it takes four clicks to modify your brightness for android it takes one, it takes 3 clicks to turn on wifi and bluetooth on iphone and on android it takes one, it takes 4 clicks for gps on iphone and android 1, it takes 3 clicks to post something on facebook and 1 on android (same for myspace), it takes takes 2 clicks to search on iphone and none on android..you see my point lol

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The next step would be rooting. I don't think I'll root it until after the warranty is up, but I don't know, I said the same thing about ROMing my FUZE and that didn't happen. Though on an unrelated question, how come so many N1 ROM threads don't have screenshots of the ROM. The ShootMe app works great, I use it on my FUZE with Eclair. It just seems like a big risk to install a ROM without knowing what you're supposed to be getting.
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Warranty is 1 year, you will get hot feet by then. There should be desire screenshots around. CyanogenMod's UI is identical to stock, extra features being the selling point.
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slick as in quick and easy i guess?
and my nexus easily lasts me 1.5+ days under HEAVY usage.
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Are you running on the HTC Li-Ion battery or some new U-235 battery?

The Nexus One is great. I don't have complaints so far other than the tiny loudspeaker. Heard that the Desire ROM gives it a louder volume. Anyway, like someone has pointed out, if you can wait until June, I would wait. I think Apple sees the Android OS as a thread so they must be building something big for the iphone 4Gen. The iphone 4Gen will probably be better the Nexus One... BUT I am confident that the Nexus Two or whatever Google wants to release in the future will take over eventually
Not saying the Nexus One will lose to the 4Gen for sure. Remember FroYo and Flash 10 are coming to the Nexus One.

iPhone4 vs Fascinate?

Well my sister is wanting a iPhone4. I'm telling her it's an absolute waste of money... The IPhone4 was already a fail compared to the Fascinate. Any other phones youd recommend? Or any other reasons why she SHOULD get a fascinate?

well from what I have read the fascinate is alot easier to work with in terms of rooting. Im a newb lol so somebody else could explain this better. Do some research and read the stickies... that will help alot. I can say my grandmother has the iphone4 and the SF blows it away imo. Alot lighter for one, bigger screen, better app market and ability to customize the phone.

My opinion is that the Fascinate is a better piece of hardware, but the IOS is clearly superior to android in that it runs faster, smoother, and has less 'issues'.
For instance, Im battling massive battery drain. In the past, I often had a problem where I would wake the phone to make or receive a call, and it would be very slow and unresponsive for 15-20 seconds. Like it was doing a bunch of background crap when I was trying to use the phone. This should never EVER happen.
When the phone is being used, either dialing, in contacts, or on the dial pad, it should receive absolute highest priority since thats the primary use of the device. All other background tasks should be put aside so the user can place the call correctly. The fact that this is not the case shows me the OS is not designed correctly.

^my sf does not have that problem at all....

Best thing you can do is to tell her to go test the phones out at the store and pick the one she likes. Dont pressure her into getting what YOU want, it's her decision and it will be her phone.

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well from what I have read the fascinate is alot easier to work with in terms of rooting. Im a newb lol so somebody else could explain this better. Do some research and read the stickies... that will help alot. I can say my grandmother has the iphone4 and the SF blows it away imo. Alot lighter for one, bigger screen, better app market and ability to customize the phone.
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I'm not a fan boy but you have a couple of your 'facts' wrong.
1. Rooting or jailbreaking my previous iPhones were as simple as going to a website (jailbreakme.com) and pressing a button that said "Jailbreak". Not sure how that is harder that what needs to be done to my SF but....
2. Better app market on android than iPhone? Seriously?
Each phone has it's pro's and cons. I've had every iPhone that has been released but now have a SF. I miss some things about the iPhone but overall like my SF better. But my wife wants to go back to the iPhone because it is "easier to operate" in her words. Some people just like the simplicity that the iOS gives you and don't care about all the customizations you can do on android.
So it depends on what you want to do with your phone.

The good news is the 30 return policy. Maybe have her try both for a month and see what she likes and doesnt. Start her with the fassy though

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The good news is the 30 return policy. Maybe have her try both for a month and see what she likes and doesnt. Start her with the fassy though
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as of feb 1st its been 14 days....

Android will soon take over Apple, it's a definite. Just remember, Android is a kid right now while iPhone is a grown man (lol lame).
Cool things about Android that are not the same about iPhone:
*Android has a much more open market. Google doesn't moderate apps as hard as Apple does, so there are many more possiblities.
*Android has homescreens/homescreen widgets!!
*Android apps can 'work together' with the use of intents and such, while Apple does NOT let apps work or talk to eachother.
*Android is Google. Google is awesome.

I do not like the Iphone, but in this case I would competely reccomend it, because if she isnt too good with electronics the Iphone is perfect. Big Buttons on the front for everything lol, and its just more in style I guess...

This is what I tell people about Android vs. iPhone. I feel that both are great in different ways.
iPhone is great for its simplicity & app store. You can sync your music, videos, pictures, and data on your computer. I don't think there's a similar program for Android (yet). iOS is pretty simple, straight forward. The software is streamlined and quicker to learn than Android. I say that because you can do more with Android, but it just takes more time to get the hang of it. Apple's App Store is better right now. More quality apps there. Also, some developers feel that it is more profitable than Android Market. There are a few apps that I wish were for Android but other than that, it's whatever. Usually you can find equivalent apps on both platforms.
As for an Android phone, it's great for people who like to customize and tinker around. I enjoy the community support greatly, it's a huge plus. Users and developers can enhance the experience of Android software WAY faster than iOS. I'm talking about bug fixes, tweaks, mods, themes, etc. Home screens, launchers, widgets, and custom roms are all HUGE pluses over iPhone. There is total customization here and it's amazing how you can change your phone and make it better from when you first get it. My Samsung Fascinate would be 'just ok' but thanks to custom roms, community support, and so on, it makes the phone much, much better!
Cons to Android are that it is sometimes buggy as Android software is used over many different phone brands. Apple develops software for JUST iPhone so their software will be more stable. It's like how Windows software runs on many different hardware (Dell, HP, Acer, etc.) so it doesn't always perform the same w/brands but Apple builds both their hardware and software exclusively so it doesn't have issues like that.
If you want something simple, easy, that "just works" and does the thinking for you, go iPhone. If you enjoy technology, exploring, and like to push your phone to its full potential, Android is the way to go. More possibilities and potential there.

whoisandy is completely right, it isn't a matter of which is better universally moreover it is about which device is better for its user.
I have used both devices, made calls, listened to fans of both and all it comes down to is what works for you.
I love the customization of android, the open source support, and the ability to choose what device is right for me.
The Iphone is an amazing phone and for someone who is not much of a gear head it will be perfect. It is always up-to-date and supported. Everything will be taken care of with the Iphone.
Both are great phones with amazing potential but to say one is better then the other is a little ignorant and self serving.

I agree with the two posts above me. Each phone is great for its own reasons. Let her try them both and make her own decision.
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whoisandy said:
This is what I tell people about Android vs. iPhone. I feel that both are great in different ways.
iPhone is great for its simplicity & app store. You can sync your music, videos, pictures, and data on your computer. I don't think there's a similar program for Android (yet). iOS is pretty simple, straight forward. The software is streamlined and quicker to learn than Android. I say that because you can do more with Android, but it just takes more time to get the hang of it. Apple's App Store is better right now. More quality apps there. Also, some developers feel that it is more profitable than Android Market. There are a few apps that I wish were for Android but other than that, it's whatever. Usually you can find equivalent apps on both platforms.
As for an Android phone, it's great for people who like to customize and tinker around. I enjoy the community support greatly, it's a huge plus. Users and developers can enhance the experience of Android software WAY faster than iOS. I'm talking about bug fixes, tweaks, mods, themes, etc. Home screens, launchers, widgets, and custom roms are all HUGE pluses over iPhone. There is total customization here and it's amazing how you can change your phone and make it better from when you first get it. My Samsung Fascinate would be 'just ok' but thanks to custom roms, community support, and so on, it makes the phone much, much better!
Cons to Android are that it is sometimes buggy as Android software is used over many different phone brands. Apple develops software for JUST iPhone so their software will be more stable. It's like how Windows software runs on many different hardware (Dell, HP, Acer, etc.) so it doesn't always perform the same w/brands but Apple builds both their hardware and software exclusively so it doesn't have issues like that.
If you want something simple, easy, that "just works" and does the thinking for you, go iPhone. If you enjoy technology, exploring, and like to push your phone to its full potential, Android is the way to go. More possibilities and potential there.
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Great post!! I retract my previous post and will say that for me the android phone is better due to fact I love to tinker and customize things lol. Iphone is a great phone....probably the better option for someone like my grandmother who just wants it to do everything for her.

Ya know though if you dig hard enough, you can actually customize an iPhone. Had one for a while jailbroken (rooted), and baseband unlocked running on T-Mobile. The alternative market, Cydia, that installs when you jailbreak has apps to customize the springboard (iPhone's launcher). There's even a console app. Underlying the interface is just yet another Linux variant. There's a txt file you can edit to ramp up the clock speed (at least on 3g and 3gs) and make the os snappier, at the cost of battery life.
The part I really hated about it was being chained to a computer running iTunes. If it glitches bad, and won't boot for some reason, unless you've been synching it religiously, you loose data back to your last sync. Kinda a pain, so...
That tiny 3.5" screen hurts my head after having this 4" on my fassy. I'll never use a phone with a screen under 4" again. It is, however, slightly easier to hold the phone in one hand, and reach across with the thumb on that same hand to hit the far side of the screen cleanly on a sub 4" screen foe folks with small hands, like me, but I'be adjusted.
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hahah...say grandma, are you a sheep. or are you a wolf...hahahahaha..
im kidding.
like posted before. iphone equals simplistic.
android equals possibilities. no matter how much you jailbreak an iphone, you wont obtain the same level of customization that you will with the android phones.
my thoughts, why get her either anyway? get her something that doesnt require so much thinking. My grandmother, was a firm believer that a phone was a quote" goddam phone first and everything else second" so maybe an iphone or fascinate isnt what she needs.
I say this comfortably knowing that even friends of mine have grabbed my phone to place a call and have to ask me how to get to the damn dialer. of course i said FU touchwiz, and changed everything. but still. Take her to the store, and let HER choose which one she wants.
unless you want her to get a fascinate so you can try new roms and **** out on hers without having to brick yours....you evil bastard genius you lol

that word "iphone" should be a word that you say out of anger ex: "holy iphone!" and in that context only

If your sister doesn't want to do research/understand the pros and cons of each phone then the iphone is probably a better bet, due to her wanting something that "just works" as others have said.
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I have had my fascinate for 3 months now, my wife got the iphone 4, she wanted to try the fascinate so we swapped phones, i use apple products, we have and iMac, macbook air, ipad and all that crap, but when i used that iphone 4, it just felt boring, it felt like it was missing a bunch of features that i had with my fascinate.
don't get me wrong, is one hell of a phone, great built quality and everything but i missed my fascinate so much and we ended up swapping again, as soon as i got my fascinate i rooted the f*** out of it and made it the way i like it, and im happy with it, no word on iphone 5 yet but honestly im more excited about the Galaxy S 2 if verizon ever gets it.

^Agreed.^ Anyways I would wait for the iPhone 5 and the Galaxy S 2 because those will be out by June for sure.

Any Nexus 4 owners have/had Lumia 920? Thoughts?

I currently have both. I sold my GS3 when I picked up the Lumia 920 fully knowing I was going to order a Nexus 4. My plan was to compare the 2 and decide which one I wanted to keep. I am in a bit of a struggle there. Would love input from others that Have/had both.
My opinions:
Lumia 920
Pros:
Screen - Much more vivid and bright, but not overly saturated like that of GS3 etc... Also SEEMS bigger due to on screen buttons of Nexus 4
Battery life - I wasn't even coming close to using up the battery in a day with the Lumia. WIth the Nexus I can make it through a day, but definitely not as good.
Feel - The Lumia feels very solid in your hands. The weight actually adds a good amount of feel to the phone as well, doesn't feel like a toy.
Camera - The camera on the Lumia is amazing (for a cell phone camera). Pictures are great quality and are taken with ease and fast.
OS - Windows Phone 8 is super smooth and does everything I need in a smartphone. It's newer to me, and so less boring.
Cons:
Apps - Very limited app selection. I knew this going in to WP8 and I honestly can't say it is missing anything I NEED, I guess this is more of a boredom filler thing.
No Dev - Again knew this coming in, and again a boredom filler more than anything
Nexus 4
Pros:
Dev - Not quite yet, but will have loads of custom tweaks/roms/etc to play with
App Selection - Not nearly as much as iOS but certainly more than WP8.
Call quality - I find the Nexus 4 to have AMAZING call quality (when it has a good signal)
OS - 4.2 on this phone is SUPER quick. No lag to speak of (for a change), but I do have to say I find Android kind of stale and old to me.
Cons:
Build Quality: While overall quality is great, phone feels solid, super light (debatable if that is a plus or not, I don't necessarily care for the toy feel) however the Phone has something that rattles when you shake it. Their is a constant buzz from the earpiece (can't be heard in call). The back is SUPER slippery, will slide off anything.
Signal - Overall signal is lower than the last 4-5 phones i have owned (based on signal at my house). Also when holding the phone in certain ways I can physically WATCH the signal drop down, then move my hand and watch it go back up.
Screen - Screen quality is fantastic, but the colors could use some life. I am not talking super saturated AMOLED style, but these are closer to HTC Dull IMO. The screen is just as usable in the sun test though, so it is bright!
Plenty more of each I will try to add when they come to mind, just wanted to post a few of my thoughts and see if anyone else had factors to add or their opinion (Please only post your opinion if you have had both phones to compare).
This is JUST my opinion. Please do not take my opinion on either phone as FACT or offensively. If you have a different opinion please share it (respectfully) and I am all ears. I am not posting this as a flame or to say either phone is bad or better than the other, in fact that is the decision I am stuck on. Both are AMAZING phones, so again please do not take either as a phone bash.

I'm pretty sure the rattling is the accelerometer. I don't hear the screeching at all...maybe mine is lucky.
WP8 is nice...I wouldn't judge the switch. The 920 has good build quality, too.
I don't think it's enough to pry me away from the openness of a Nexus.
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Don't you care about the price?
You can buy two N4 for one N920.
The N920 Display is close to the N4. A little better than N4, but not as good as the fantastic OneX LCD2.
I'd also love to buy a Nokia again, but well.. N920.price > (N7.price + N4.price)
Edit: The rattling part with my N4 seems to be the camera-lens-system. The speaker only makes sounds when it is asked for

I've used a 920 and while it's an amazing piece of hardware, WP8 kills it for me.
I have none of the symptoms you described on your N4, no rattle, no buzzing from earpiece, or signal issues.
Overall, the determining factor will be first which ecosystem would you rather use, then which piece of hardware you want.
If WP8 is the answer to the first question then the 920 is the easiest choice, if it's Android and you aren't happy with the N4, look at the One X+, SGS 3, and Note 2.

ElectricAndi said:
Don't you care about the price?
You can buy two N4 for one N920.
The N920 Display is close to the N4. A little better than N4, but not as good as the fantastic OneX LCD2.
I'd also love to buy a Nokia again, but well.. N920.price > (N7.price + N4.price)
Edit: The rattling part with my N4 seems to be the camera-lens-system. The speaker only makes sounds when it is asked for
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I already own both. I paid the same price for both. both sell for roughly the same amount on ebay right now. So price is pretty much a wash.

All those windows phones are inferior even compared to apple

myorks1127 said:
All those windows phones are inferior even compared to apple
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Your basing that on? Bring me some facts and I'll gladly have a debate with you.
I strongly disagree, having actually OWNED one, as well as many iOS and Android devices. Not that I think it's better than Android, but I definitely without question find it superior to iOS (to me).

crawlgsx said:
Your basing that on? Bring me some facts and I'll gladly have a debate with you.
I strongly disagree, having actually OWNED one, as well as many iOS and Android devices. Not that I think it's better than Android, but I definitely without question find it superior to iOS (to me).
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I hate apple too just saying the success of it, i think windows phone sales compared to android are significantly lower, ita a failing sector in the phone market

You think the nexus 4 is light and toy like? This thing feels like a tank and feels very solid.
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Android feel stale and old to you?
Man you really should stop using Android and buy that Nokia.
The point of Nexus 4's stock interface is for YOU to CUSTOMIZE FOR YOURSELF. If you prefer manufacturer to do that for you, you got the wrong device.

The Lumia is a flop. It's fat, overweight, and runs an OS with no apps.

I love my Nexus 4, a lot. BUT!!!!!! A friend of mine texted me about a week ago and told me he just got the lumia 920, he said its an AMAZING phone and he is blown away by it. ( he's a big android guy, matter of fact he got me to use android). Told me how the camera is amazing, the screen is insane and the fluidity is second to none. Also the predictive keyboard is excellent. THEN!!!! Today one of my coworker who is a big ISHEEP ( but a smart one lol) told me that one of his friend got the lumia and he told me the screen is just too good, he said he was super impressed by it although he said he doesn't like W8. So now I'm gonna get it as secondary phone for sure. Nexus 4 will still be my main phone.
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I have both, and what I can say about the 920 is what I'd say when owning an iPhone too (swapped out a 4s for it): I can handle WP8 & iOS because they're always secondary to Android for me. Exclusively I'd struggle with either, mainly due to lack of apps in WP8, and quite a bit overall in iOS. (The app quality in WP8 isn't poor, it's just the lack of a few are killing me, ie TuneIn - that one damn Swiss station...)
As a second device for me, the Lumia has battery for days - 26h off charger with moderate use the other day and it was at 60% - is built like some concoction designed to protect a tank, and the camera is advanced. Plus it's a simple, well-designed, incredibly smooth, handsome OS which focuses on productivity. And truthfully, for times when I don't need two phones, I often want one I'm inclined to use looking at the screen less - that's the 920. More a tool to the toy, in ways, that is Android for me personally. When I got the 920 I was planning on doing the same as the OP, choosing one, and I went with the 920 initially because I didn't want to be fiddling around with the N4, taking time to flash ROMs, research which kernel is best, figure out why this minor tweak has suddenly borked my entire mobile life, etc, when I'm supposed to be achieving productivity on the level of a respectable member of society. Then I got the N4 in my hands. Phenomenal piece. Not a chance that was going back. When I switch from one to the other, the Lumia feels slow in comparison, almost labored; and that's no slight on it, merely a compliment to the N4's screaming speed. So now it's both.
But in terms of real world use - and I live in a big city - the Lumia gets more day-to-day action for me, in part because I don't have a case for the N4 yet, and I'm terrified of flopping it out of my jacket pocket watching the shards spill across the pavement. I don't baby it, and it's just easier to put somewhere and not worry whether or not the 0.5 degrees of incline is going to send the lubricated glass back hurtling to the floor. I don't worry about the 920. I do about the N4. I also get concerned if I'm out somewhere and the battery is going to die, so I baby the use of my phone under these circumstances; will happen with the N4, won't with the 920. For me, the Lumia sort of ticks a "peace of mind" box. I can throw it in my pocket off the charger and walk out the door, not wondering if it'll last through the night or whether or not it might slap up against something on the subway and shatter, etc.
If it was one or the other and I had both in my hands for a few hours before having to give one back, it'd be no contest: the N4, if my initial concerns about the battery are substantial. I think it's a device of remarkably more potential with a wider variety of uses. However, I think the question to ask is not necessarily which phone is better, but which one best fits your life? People use their devices differently.
For the record, I love having both. Couldn't be happier; what the Nexus 4 gives me - the power, speed, apps, customization, etc. - is complemented perfectly by the 920's strengths - battery, camera, durability, simplicity, LTE, etc. As a pairing of phones, and I've owned a lot of different pairings, this is by far my favorite, and one I'll keep a very long time - which is rare. They're almost the perfect complements in my world. Now if someone could take the best of all these traits and make one single device, they could sell it for four figures on contract and watch the lines on release day stretch counties.

richteralan said:
Android feel stale and old to you?
Man you really should stop using Android and buy that Nokia.
The point of Nexus 4's stock interface is for YOU to CUSTOMIZE FOR YOURSELF. If you prefer manufacturer to do that for you, you got the wrong device.
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Man you should really learn how to read.
First of all, I own both (as stated)
Second of all, I am sorry I put your panties in a bunch that I find Android getting stale FOR ME, it's my opinion. Get over it.
I never said anything about not wanting to customize the interface, The main reason I even like Android is the ability to load custom roms and tweak things myself. I never said otherwise.
When you have something valid to add come back.

barondebxl said:
I love my Nexus 4, a lot. BUT!!!!!! A friend of mine texted me about a week ago and told me he just got the lumia 920, he said its an AMAZING phone and he is blown away by it. ( he's a big android guy, matter of fact he got me to use android). Told me how the camera is amazing, the screen is insane and the fluidity is second to none. Also the predictive keyboard is excellent. THEN!!!! Today one of my coworker who is a big ISHEEP ( but a smart one lol) told me that one of his friend got the lumia and he told me the screen is just too good, he said he was super impressed by it although he said he doesn't like W8. So now I'm gonna get it as secondary phone for sure. Nexus 4 will still be my main phone.
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Good info. That about says how I feel about the Lumia. Will be curious to see how you feel if/when you do get one.

cg9916 said:
I have both, and what I can say about the 920 is what I'd say when owning an iPhone too (swapped out a 4s for it): I can handle WP8 & iOS because they're always secondary to Android for me. Exclusively I'd struggle with either, mainly due to lack of apps in WP8, and quite a bit overall in iOS. (The app quality in WP8 isn't poor, it's just the lack of a few are killing me, ie TuneIn - that one damn Swiss station...)
As a second device for me, the Lumia has battery for days - 26h off charger with moderate use the other day and it was at 60% - is built like some concoction designed to protect a tank, and the camera is advanced. Plus it's a simple, well-designed, incredibly smooth, handsome OS which focuses on productivity. And truthfully, for times when I don't need two phones, I often want one I'm inclined to use looking at the screen less - that's the 920. More a tool to the toy, in ways, that is Android for me personally. When I got the 920 I was planning on doing the same as the OP, choosing one, and I went with the 920 initially because I didn't want to be fiddling around with the N4, taking time to flash ROMs, research which kernel is best, figure out why this minor tweak has suddenly borked my entire mobile life, etc, when I'm supposed to be achieving productivity on the level of a respectable member of society. Then I got the N4 in my hands. Phenomenal piece. Not a chance that was going back. When I switch from one to the other, the Lumia feels slow in comparison, almost labored; and that's no slight on it, merely a compliment to the N4's screaming speed. So now it's both.
But in terms of real world use - and I live in a big city - the Lumia gets more day-to-day action for me, in part because I don't have a case for the N4 yet, and I'm terrified of flopping it out of my jacket pocket watching the shards spill across the pavement. I don't baby it, and it's just easier to put somewhere and not worry whether or not the 0.5 degrees of incline is going to send the lubricated glass back hurtling to the floor. I don't worry about the 920. I do about the N4. I also get concerned if I'm out somewhere and the battery is going to die, so I baby the use of my phone under these circumstances; will happen with the N4, won't with the 920. For me, the Lumia sort of ticks a "peace of mind" box. I can throw it in my pocket off the charger and walk out the door, not wondering if it'll last through the night or whether or not it might slap up against something on the subway and shatter, etc.
If it was one or the other and I had both in my hands for a few hours before having to give one back, it'd be no contest: the N4, if my initial concerns about the battery are substantial. I think it's a device of remarkably more potential with a wider variety of uses. However, I think the question to ask is not necessarily which phone is better, but which one best fits your life? People use their devices differently.
For the record, I love having both. Couldn't be happier; what the Nexus 4 gives me - the power, speed, apps, customization, etc. - is complemented perfectly by the 920's strengths - battery, camera, durability, simplicity, LTE, etc. As a pairing of phones, and I've owned a lot of different pairings, this is by far my favorite, and one I'll keep a very long time - which is rare. They're almost the perfect complements in my world. Now if someone could take the best of all these traits and make one single device, they could sell it for four figures on contract and watch the lines on release day stretch counties.
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Great info thank you. Your thoughts are very similar to my take. I just don't know that I can justify having 2 devices, so I am trying to make a choice that has turned out to be harder than I thought it would be

crawlgsx said:
Man you should really learn how to read.
First of all, I own both (as stated)
Second of all, I am sorry I put your panties in a bunch that I find Android getting stale FOR ME, it's my opinion. Get over it.
I never said anything about not wanting to customize the interface, The main reason I even like Android is the ability to load custom roms and tweak things myself. I never said otherwise.
When you have something valid to add come back.
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I don't know what you mean by stale. If you like the ability to load custom ROMs, but complain when you have the most moddable Nexus line in your hand, you have some serious problems buddy. If you have some deeply locked down devices then your complain might be valid.
Apparently you never used a Windows Phone before so you feel fresh. I will see how you comment on your Windows Phone after the "honey moon" period is over.
Also, when you post your opinion publicly but don't expect others to comment on it (valid or not), good for you!
May I introduce you to Neowin.net, where all M$ fanboys hangout, so you can have more help with your Nokia.
BTW, I hangout there, too.

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I don't know what you mean by stale. If you like the ability to load custom ROMs, but complain when you have the most moddable Nexus line in your hand, you have some serious problems buddy. If you have some deeply locked down devices then your complain might be valid.
Apparently you never used a Windows Phone before so you feel fresh. I will see how you comment on your Windows Phone after the "honey moon" period is over.
Also, when you post your opinion publicly but don't expect others to comment on it (valid or not), good for you!
May I introduce you to Neowin.net, where all M$ fanboys hangout, so you can have more help with your Nokia.
BTW, I hangout there, too.
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I mean I have just gotten kind of bored with Android, as in its the SSDD for me. It's not like I haven't owned a few. It's not meant to be offensive to Android, this is a personal problem lol.
My last windows phone is the first on my sig . Been a long time. I had no interest in it when WP7 came out compared to Android but now that I have had Android for a while I picked it up just to try it out and I was pleasantly surprised at how well it runs and functions.
I am not looking for help with either, nor do I expect everyone to see my point of view. All opinions (when stated as such, and not argumentative or stated like it is fact) are very much welcome.
I am not a fanboy of any company OR Operating System, mobile or desktop. I try them all, and I pick what I find the best for ME at the time. I will never understand why some people find the need to attach themselves to one option but to each their own. When it comes down to it, neither of these phones will be in my possession for more than a few months until I get bored with them.
I was just curious what others thought, nothing more, nothing less.
And you may be very well correct on the honeymoon period statement. Part of the enticement to the Lumia IS that WP8 is new to me.(hardware aside) but I will grow bored with it in no time, no doubt.
I fully respect anyone who comes in here with the opinion that I am crazy/stupid/etc for even considering the Lumia over the Nexus, that is fine. I would appreciate some opinions/facts on why, and not fiction about how bad WP8 is (especially if you have never owned one, or at least spent some time with one).

n4 £279
920 £496
if the n4 was closer in price to the 920 it would be a much harder decision. but it isn't. so it isn't. for what you get for your £279, n4 wins hands down.

Well i had android for many years.. but ... it never feels like its it, dont know how to say it.
I have a Lumia 920 now and its bloody awesome, so smooth, never lags, and the appstore is getting bigger everyday.
All my apps i used on Android are in the WP store for me.
Dont get me wrong Android is a great OS, but the changes in versions never live quite up to it.

Nexus 6 vs. iphone 6 plus

Well, to be complete since there are threads of Nexus 6 vs. OnePlus One and Note 4 I thought I might just make this post.
Nexus 6
Differences
Screen: higher resolution and bigger size
Battery: larger
Price: cheaper
Camera: higher mega pixels
RAM: higher
Similarities
Battery: non-replaceable
OS: No bloat wares with only stock OS
Carriers: can be used on all carriers
Things still unknown between the 2 phones.
1. Battery life?
2. Camera images?
3. Can the Nexus 6 do slow motion video recordings?

"Screw iPhones, how dare you post that crap here?????"
Just kidding.
Both phones offer advantages that the other doesn't. I think this is a note-worthy comparison but it shouldn't boil down to just comparing specs. I mean, iPhones have poor specs, on paper, when compared to the top Android devices but it's rarely the case in real-world performance. For example, in benchmarks, iPhones usually win in single-core and graphics departments. iPhones have been notorious for their build quality and top-of-the-line camera performance. Then I suppose you could go into the classic LCD vs AMOLED displays argument.
However, I think at the end of the day, the biggest deciding factor is going to be the software: are you more inclined towards iOS or Android?
Since this is primarily an Android forum, let me start out by bringing up some of the plusses of iPhones:
- TouchID. Here's a great post by XDA member _MetalHead_ explaining some of the advantages brought by TouchID.
- Continuity is a pretty amazing feature. Seamless syncing between OSX and iOS as well picking up where you left off is pretty genius. I can't wait for the day we get something similar on Android.
- The camera on iPhones, despite being 8-megapixels, is still one the best smartphone cameras around.
- iOS still gets the good apps and games first. Apps generally look better on iOS; although, now with the release of Android L, I think that gap is going to become more narrow.
Honestly, if this post was made before we knew about Android L, I would have added a lot of things to the list above such as the consistency across iOS. Thankfully Android L has brought this much needed consistency in the form of material design.
And it goes back to my first point: which OS do you prefer?
For me, that choice is clear: it's Android. I love customizing the hell out of my phones (and a plethora of other things that Android does better than iOS). Nothing beats Android in that department. My biggest gripes in the past, such as an inconsistent UI, untimely updates on non-Nexus devices and ****ty build quality have pretty much all been addressed by the Nexus 6 and Android L.

I have been using continuity since 2010 on Android only for ios users that's new

Iphone 6+ has WAY better battery life and camera.
OS of android is cooler no doubt.

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Iphone 6+ has WAY better battery life and camera.
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Well we don't know this for sure but I wouldn't be surprised if the iPhone ends up having a better camera.

oneplus said:
Iphone 6+ has WAY better battery life and camera.
OS of android is cooler no doubt.
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Re. Battery life, How could you make a definitive statement about a phone and new version of OS that are not released yet?

Nexus 6 hands down, down with iphone!
jkjk Iunno, iphone may just have better camera, but let hope not. Pure android is just as optimized as the IOS, so imagine it with these crazy specs

None of us know the Nexus' battery life yet. I can say that I get no joke, at least 10 hours of "usage" as in screen time on my iPhone 6 plus on LTE/wifi. It is excellent in that way. Also has a gorgeous screen, nice build, and an absolutely amazing camera. I think iOS8 is so much nicer to look at on a screen of this quality. I look at my Nexus 7 and 5.0 just is ugly and bland in comparison. Why the hell did Google use GRAY for text? It just reduces otherwise nice screens to a bland pastel geometric mess.
However, this is my first iPhone, and man I miss android, especially the Moto X iteration of android. The features and how it all works together just can't be beat. I'm getting the Nexus 6, and I really hope the battery life is similar. iOS is just so so boring, and if you like GOOGLE apps, then I don't see how anyone can like an iPhone. Google app integration, or any 3rd party for that matter, is just so minimal, even with iOS8. I'm literally having Google Now and home screen withdrawls. Also, once Google Inbox goes live with the public, I'm sure people will be clamoring for what Google offers on android.
Yosemite on my rMBP is amazing however, first apple laptop too.

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Re. Battery life, How could you make a definitive statement about a phone and new version of OS that are not released yet?
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10+ hrs screen on time on iphone 6+ cannot ever be beaten by this nexus. Apple optimizes their OS at max. Is FACT.

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None of us know the Nexus' battery life yet. I can say that I get no joke, at least 10 hours of "usage" as in screen time on my iPhone 6 plus on LTE/wifi. It is excellent in that way. Also has a gorgeous screen, nice build, and an absolutely amazing camera. I think iOS8 is so much nicer to look at on a screen of this quality. I look at my Nexus 7 and 5.0 just is ugly and bland in comparison. Why the hell did Google use GRAY for text? It just reduces otherwise nice screens to a bland pastel geometric mess.
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As far as I know, Usage =/ Screen On Time, you could essentially play music for 3 hours and iOS would count it as usage.
I'm not discrediting what you are saying, you could by all means be getting 10 hours of screen on time but I associate the great battery life of the 6 Plus with its amazing standby time.
Most android devices lose about 1% or more an hour in standby, it's the cost for having an OS with so much freedom. IOS on the other hand is extremely locked down in terms of background process allowing devices like the 6 Plus to lose nearly no battery over the course 10 hour period while in idle.
This may seem insignificant but that percent or two you lose in a hour is roughly 6 -10 minutes of screen on time. Over the course of a day, this can add up to a large amount. On the 6 Plus, you lose very little thus allowing you get better battery life in real world usage than comparable android devices like the Note 4.
Most android devices tend to out preform the 6 Plus in a pure battery endurance test but once you compare real world usage, the 6 Plus tends to outlast them.
The Nexus 6 stands a good chance of beating the 6 Plus because of the optimization Google is able to do as well as the lack of rogue background processes found on stock android. TouchWiz is a nightmare for standby battery drain, there is just way too many background processes to deal with which continue to drain battery.
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kill it with fire! [emoji1]

I don't need more than 5 hours screen on time in a single day, I need a kick in the ass if I'm on the phone any longer than that in a day. This should be possible with the Nexus 6, but probably not any longer than that.

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10+ hrs screen on time on iphone 6+ cannot ever be beaten by this nexus. Apple optimizes their OS at max. Is FACT.
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The screen on time calculated by IOS must be different then how it is calculated on android. I think in IOS when the lock screen is on it counts as screen on time. Because my iPhone 6 gave me more screen on time than the M8 did despite the M8 having much better battery life.

That on ios isn't sot. It is usage. A totally different thing

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That on ios isn't sot. It is usage. A totally different thing
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Usage on iOS is essentially "awake" time.

This is a real tough one. The 6 Plus is one seriously bad ass device. I would have gotten the Plus instead of the 6 if it were a little more pocketable, but boy would I love to play NOVA 3 or Modern Combat 5 on that screen. I was just in the Apple Store today and played with the Plus for about 10 minutes, and while I'm super happy with my decision to buy the 6, there was a tiny part of me that felt just a little bit of buyers remorse. I think the 6 Plus would make a great secondary device, but it's a little too large to be a daily driver, at least for my lifestyle. That said, the N6 is going to be the same thing- nice to have, but not practical as an every day device.
Comparing the 6 Plus to the N6 is really Apples to oranges, as they are completely different devices. But here are some bullet points that reflect MY OWN PERSONAL OPINIONS on the matter-
Design and build quality- Love Apple or hate them, there is no denying that they make some of the most beautiful personal electronic devices on the planet, and they are always built to incredibly tight tolerances. The 6 Plus is no different. It is one seriously GORGEOUS device. I think the N6 is also beautiful, but it isn't as elegant as the 6 Plus. I just got the new Moto X and it is hands down the nicest Android phone I have ever used when it comes to design and build, and seeing as though the N6 is just a blown up Moto X, I expect it to be just as nice. So all that said, I think this one is a wash, and comes down to personal taste.
In-hand feel- A lot of people have been complaining about the thickness of the N6, but what they fail to realize is that it is only that thick in the middle, and it's tapered toward the edges. Going off the current Moto X, this gives it an incredibly ergonomic feel, and makes the phone very comfortable to hold. My biggest complaint about the 6 and 6 Plus is that they are just too thin, and the Moto X really drives that point home. It is bigger and thicker than the iPhone 6, but is far more comfortable to hold in hand. In fact, the current Moto X is probably the single most comfortable phone I've ever held, second only to the original Moto X. Due to its size, I don't think the N6 will be anywhere near as comfortable to hold as the Moto X, but I expect it to be a lot better than the 6 Plus. Even though the X is bigger than the 6, it is actually easier to use one-handed than the 6 is, because you can shift it around a bit in your hand without the worry of dropping it; I always feel like the 6 is going to slip from my grasp when I shift it around. Your hand is not flat, and the curve of the Moto X/N6 is designed to fit the curve of your hand. In this regard, Motorola did a bang up job. Gonna have to give this one to the Nexus 6 on faith.
Screen- I am not one to get caught up in the resolution wars, and I think QHD is a gimmick on screens this size. 1080p is MORE than enough, and in some cases, 720p is plenty. The screen on the 6 and 6 Plus is the nicest I have ever seen on a smartphone. The colors are incredibly vivid, the blacks are damn near AMOLED level, and since the whole package is fused into one panel, the screen literally looks like it is a sticker on the surface of the phone. Side by side, the just over 720p screen on my iPhone 6 absolutely blows the screens of my Nexus 5 and new Moto X out of the water. If you told me it was a 1080p display I'd believe you. You cannot see individual pixels unless you strain really hard, everything is incredibly detailed, and again, the colors are ridiculous. There is something with the technology Apple used that makes it seem higher resolution, because if you compare it to the original Moto X that has a similar res, it's a night and day difference. Even though the display on the N6 is QHD, I don't expect it to be anywhere near as nice as the one on the 6 Plus.
Camera- The camera on the 6 Plus is widely regarded as one of if not the best camera ever to grace a smartphone. With Google's and Motorola's track record, I don't expect the N6 to change that. I'm sure it'll be nice and more than acceptable, but for people who really depend on the cameras on their phones (I do not), the 6 Plus is probably the way to go.
Performance- Make fun of the specs all you want, but the iPhone is a performance powerhouse. Apple focuses on USER EXPERIENCE which in my mind is FAR more important than numbers on paper. The iPhone doesn't need a quad core processor or 3gb of RAM because of how optimized iOS is. With its dual core chip and only 1GB of RAM, somehow the iPhone manages to outperform every other phone on the market when it comes to graphically intense gaming, and at least match the most powerful Android phones in all other areas. If specs mattered so much, I'd think the current Android flagships would smoke the iPhone. They don't. Heck, look at Samsung- their flagships always have top specs yet somehow they still manage to be laggy and sluggish at times, something the iPhone just doesn't ever exhibit. Last year's Moto X with its dual core processor had the best out-of-box user experience of any smartphone at that time because Motorola optimized the crap out of it. We have gotten to the point of diminishing returns when it comes to specs, todays flagships don't dramatically outperform those from last year. My Nexus 5 is still ridiculously fast, and the new Moto X with the 801 isn't much faster, if at all. The iPhone consistently benchmarks with the best of them, and even though benchmarks don't mean a damn thing, its real world performance is up there with the best of them as well. I think people care way too much about specs these days, and are missing the point on what's actually important and again, that's USER EXPERIENCE. So that said, seeing as though none of us have used the final version of Android L, we have no idea what the UX is going to be like. This one is a wash until the N6 gets put to the test.
Battery life- No way to tell until we get the N6 in hand and get to put it to the test. The 6 Plus has some seriously insane battery life, but with all the optimization Google did with Android L, it's possible that the N6 will get some great life as well. But basing my opinion of historical data, I think the 6 Plus will have the edge here.
Utility- No question, N6. The 6 Plus is just a massive iPhone, and Apple made pretty much zero changes to take advantage of the extra screen real estate. In a case like this, I think home screen widgets are indispensable and will fully maximize the productivity of the phone. While I understand why Apple hasn't changed iOS much over the course of its life (millions of soccer moms all over the world would likely revolt), it's time they do something different. Advantage Android, with a big fat LOL.
Apps and Games- No explanation needed, iOS wins this one without ever having to look over its shoulder.
I'm sure I missed some important points, but these are the ones that came to mind. In the end it'll really boil down to the old iOS vs. Android debate. With the iPhone, you have the perfect marriage of hardware and software, with a gorgeous phone and an equally gorgeous (albeit somewhat tired and bland) operating system, and the best app and game selection in the business. With the N6, you have a beautiful device that'll likely be super comfortable to hold, the flexibility and customizability that comes with the Android territory, and a more user oriented experience. I say that last one because with Android, it's up to the user to control how it works for them, whereas with iOS it's "you get what we give you and that's it". For some people it works, for others it doesn't. I love Android because I get to tinker with it and make it my own, and I love iOS because I don't have to worry about tinkering with it. In the end, it's a pick your poison kinda thing. Me, I want both.

Qi wireless charging and NFC. I am not sure I could give up my Qi pucks and stereo which uses NFC to begin playing music when I lay my phone on it, plus wireless charge it. If the iPhone 6+ could do that, I would give it a whirl, but it cannot. Maybe the 6S+ will... or not.

I currently have a N3 and my wife has had her 6+ for about a month now. After the first week of her having her phone I actually went ahead and put an order in for one to, and I had always been an Android guy, but her 6+ is one if not the smoothest phones I've ever used. Battery easily outlast my N3 battery, screen is on par, and the camera despite being 8mp imo takes better pics. I wound up cancelling my order though once I found out the N6 is coming to Verizon because the one main thing iOS is missing is the ability to fully customize. Also because I have a ton of purchases ive made over the last 5 years on the Play Market id hate to loose. But in all honesty the 6+ is a great phone. Look at it as just a different oem skin not OS, and if you ever get a chance to spend some time with one you can really respect it as a top of the line phone.

I'm a lifer Android user, just look at my post count on here (I'm a loser) but I recently purchased the 6+ and I can't believe I'm saying this but it is absolutely one of my favorite devices of all time. Battery life cannot be matched by any android devices currently on the market. The screen is absolutely stunning to look at and has that wow factor that I've never gotten on an android device, the HTC m7 (Believe it or not over the M8) actually came close.
And what really sold me on iOS are the apps. They are so much more refined and seem to be less susceptible to force closing like I've gotten plenty of times on several different devices.
The transition from going over to iOS from android was made easier once I got over the fact that I don't have home screens and my phone isn't customizable. Once that's out the system you come to the conclusion that ultimately a phone is only as good as the apps and in this case, iOS apps are so much better over android apps it made the transition to iOS that much easier.
Can't believe I just said I prefer iOS over Android.

shook187 said:
I'm a lifer Android user, just look at my post count on here (I'm a loser) but I recently purchased the 6+ and I can't believe I'm saying this but it is absolutely one of my favorite devices of all time. Battery life cannot be matched by any android devices currently on the market. The screen is absolutely stunning to look at and has that wow factor that I've never gotten on an android device, the HTC m7 (Believe it or not over the M8) actually came close.
And what really sold me on iOS are the apps. They are so much more refined and seem to be less susceptible to force closing like I've gotten plenty of times on several different devices.
The transition from going over to iOS from android was made easier once I got over the fact that I don't have home screens and my phone isn't customizable. Once that's out the system you come to the conclusion that ultimately a phone is only as good as the apps and in this case, iOS apps are so much better over android apps it made the transition to iOS that much easier.
Can't believe I just said I prefer iOS over Android.
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Posts like yours make me happy. Being both an Android and iPhone user for a long time, I have come to love both sides for different reasons. I feel that most Android users just blindly hate iOS, which there is no reason for. So what if you can't customize the homescreens? Like you said, that's actually kind of nice because you don't have to sit and mess with it to get it to your liking. Everything else about iOS is great, and even if Apple is behind the curve sometimes with certain features, when they finally do implement something, they always do it right. Take Touch ID for instance- yeah the Atrix was the first phone with a fingerprint scanner, but it sucked. Touch ID on the other hand is awesome and a complete game changer as far as I'm concerned. And like you said, the apps available for the iPhone are generally more refined than their Android counterparts, and Android simply can't touch iOS when it comes to gaming. The iPhone is an absolutely gorgeous device, and iOS is every bit as gorgeous. The bottom line is this- fanboys on either side of the fence are ridiculous and downright pathetic sometimes. People like you and I have the great benefit of being able to use all these wonderful pieces of technology, regardless of the logo that's stamped on them. It's a freedom that I wish everyone could experience but unfortunately some people are just way too closed minded. And you know something? It's their loss.

Returning to Android after 6 years with iOS

Hi all,
It's been a long time since I last visited XDA (my profile says I last login to XDA on 2011!) and switched to the iPhone 4s from the HTC Aria. I made the leap to Android from Nokia/Sony Ericsson after it went downhill. Blackberry was dominating the market back then but I chose Android because I thought it was more promising—and time has proven that it is. However I switched to iOS because I figured it was the sensible thing to do since my workstations are all Macs. Plus, Android Froyo wasn't very stable back then and all the Android devices weren't as exciting as it is today.
I had the 4s for a couple of years, skipped the 5/5s and have been using the iPhone 6 for 4 years now. Also skipped the 6s and 7/7s. Good investment, had no life or death problems whatsoever and am super satisfied. All of a sudden my iP6 is getting laggy, shutting off for no apparent reason and couldn't reboot—had to force restart, the whole Apple environment appears to be closing in on me, and worse, all of these happened after installing the latest iOS 11 updates. Some of you may realize that Apple has been rolling out patches on the iOS 11 just weeks apart, that has to say something about the inferiority of the latest updates. And now they've launched the iP8 and iPX, but I'm returning to Android and have chosen the S8 to accompany me on this journey!
First thing first, I decided to go with Samsung the company because they have proven themselves worthy of trust. Samsung deserves recognition for what they did when the Note 7 was exploding. Recalling millions of units globally took lots of courage and $$$! Really, they did the right thing and I'm confident they'll continue to commit to their high level of service should anything go wrong with future products.
The S8 is perfect for me, I don't need the extra screen estate as provided with the S8+, and I also didn't need the SPen and dual camera that the Note8 offers. And it's got a mouthwatering design. If I had just one thing to complain about, the back side of the phone feels cheap and very 'plastic'. I wish it had a more 'solid' and durable feel to its build. Already with a premium price tag, I'm sure consumers don't mind spending a little bit more and getting better materials and satisfaction to complement the user experience in return.
Anyway, I had a couple of hours to play around with it, catching up on some of the latest Android news as well. Gosh there's so much to re-learn! I forgot that Android requires you to be more 'techie' to really get the most out of it. Sure you can just use the device as is, install all your favorite apps, take photos, etc. But how do you actually get the most out of it besides filling it with all the apps you need?
I had my share of rooting during my Aria/Froyo days, not sure if those actually helped me get the most out of the user experience. As a non-power user, the heaviest task I use it with is to play games (ie. Mobile Legends, etc). Other tasks includes the usual phone calls, messaging services, social media apps, take pictures, organizing my work, reminders, etc. Is there even any other uses for smartphones?
So what's the big deal nowadays people? I'm so confused that I still haven't moved my SIM card out of the iP6 to the S8! Help out a newbie

I thought the backside felt cheap and plasticky too--until I realized it's actually glass! That changed my perception completely. Yeah, Android has come a long way. I had the original iPhone, then iPhone 3GS, then more Androids than I can count! I'm not a fan of iOS, and I have to use an iOS tablet at work. Apple tricks people into thinking they are thinking different, really just feeding them cookie cutter crap; it's mildly ironic, because using their not really customizable iOS is somewhat the opposite of thinking different! I kinda cringe when I see the same iOS icons year after year! Oh well. Welcome back!

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