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so i would like to learn how to do things for my phone and possibly help with the dev community. but i know practically nothing about linux or how to do anything useful. i am looking for links or other useful information to help me get started. i have lots of time on my hands and learn pretty quick. i assume i would start with the sdk (would i use the 1.5 one since thats what our phones are currently running on, or is the 2.0 out yet? and would i try from there), but other than that have no idea what else would be useful.
so.... yeah. helpful link to good info or any good e books, or anything like that that will get me going. thanks in advance
i would use the newest SDK, 2.0.1, and make sure that it will function on the emulators for both 1.5 and 2.0.1, frankly if you arent already proficient with linux or java, this wont be a easy thing to get into. However I WILL point out how threads like this are terribly pointless... you arent helping anyone out, and frankly you're asking for information that is quite available.
thanks for nothing. other than making me feel stupid.
Some help, maybe.
ix3u said:
thanks for nothing. other than making me feel stupid.
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I've been spending quite a bit of time on the threads here, I too am in search of more information specific to the android. I don't know that I'll ever be able to contribute too much to the devs, but at least I can understand my phone better, and help out with answering questions on the forums.
I would think that starting with something like creating a theme would be a good place to start, and would get you a little more familiar with the ways of android. Then I would move up into other things, and before you know it you will be much more proficient. It's all about starting somewhere. (and having a good backup)
Here's some posts / links that I have collected that i thought might aid me when i create some time to start the same endeavor...
* Ratcom's guide to creating Theme's
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=574167
* An Android Developers Guide (with tutorials, and tons of info)
http://developer.android.com/guide/index.html
* How-to's regarding android application development:
http://www.brighthub.com/mobile/google-android/topics/guides.aspx
* Tutorials and exercises
http://blogoscoped.com/archive/2007-11-19-n27.html
I haven't looked at most of those, but hopefully they will be a good start. I look forward to the day when I start looking at them too.
Hopefully that's helpful, it's all I can offer.
Good luck, and godspeed
-AndyS-
thanks., that is more like what i was looking for
jmhalder said:
i would use the newest SDK, 2.0.1, and make sure that it will function on the emulators for both 1.5 and 2.0.1, frankly if you arent already proficient with linux or java, this wont be a easy thing to get into. However I WILL point out how threads like this are terribly pointless... you arent helping anyone out, and frankly you're asking for information that is quite available.
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Hmmm. So much for helping someone out who at least has the desire to learn and grow to be more. Communist much? or just a Liberal Democrat? I applaud him for trying. Who knows more about where to get the information other than XDA? Hell a google search on this stuff turns up mostly useless garbage anyways. Why spend hours digging it up when someone else may know a good resource.
Lets refrain from flames/rebuttals please.
I have a few FAQ's and tutorials on my site. Also checking things like my release notes and mind map (linked in v1.0 release) will help. There aren't any full on tutorials but it's just a good place for general info.
Check my sig.
As flipz stated, there's no good centralized place for organized information. The best advice is truly to search this site, and search with google. It's an uphill battle getting that base of knowledge built up to get you going. I know, I'm still working my way up the hill. I thought about putting a site together to organize and share information but that would take away too much from what little time I have to spend on rom developement.
I doub't that is really the answer you were hoping to get but unfortunately thats the grim reality of things. Perhaps someone with a lot more free time than I, will put together a site of their own and compile and organize all kinds of good information in a central place. It would truly be a boon to the android community.
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As flipz stated, there's no good centralized place for organized information. The best advice is truly to search this site, and search with google. It's an uphill battle getting that base of knowledge built up to get you going. I know, I'm still working my way up the hill. I thought about putting a site together to organize and share information but that would take away too much from what little time I have to spend on rom developement.
I doub't that is really the answer you were hoping to get but unfortunately thats the grim reality of things. Perhaps someone with a lot more free time than I, will put together a site of their own and compile and organize all kinds of good information in a central place. It would truly be a boon to the android community.
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I'd be happy to bring some writers on to my site or to host some tutorials or anything that others have written. My job offers me a lot of flexibility and free time, however like you I am spending all of it developing right now. This kitchen is kicking my butt.
Edit: We'll see if I get any hits. http://geekfor.me/news/wanted-writers-for-faq-tutorial-help/
I may be able to help. My freetime seems to come and go, but I’ve always been pretty good at making How-To’s.
What format would be best?
html,pdf,etc…
ix3u said:
so i would like to learn how to do things for my phone and possibly help with the dev community. but i know practically nothing about linux or how to do anything useful. i am looking for links or other useful information to help me get started. i have lots of time on my hands and learn pretty quick. i assume i would start with the sdk (would i use the 1.5 one since thats what our phones are currently running on, or is the 2.0 out yet? and would i try from there), but other than that have no idea what else would be useful.
so.... yeah. helpful link to good info or any good e books, or anything like that that will get me going. thanks in advance
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Good thread, thanks for starting it.
I'm in a pretty similar spot. 2 weeks ago I had zero exposure to or knowledge about Android or Linux. I'm proficient with Windows. In the last 2 weeks I've rooted, flashed RA 123, 151 & then 152. I backed up, ran an optimizer .zip file, restored, flashed fresh 1.0 and learned some very cool stuff. I'm comfortable in the terminal but I'm getting to where I'm not sure what I should or want to learn next. Also, although I've done these things easily half of it was just copying instructions from one of the fantastically helpful posts on this forum. Before I learn what to do next I'd like to understand the system better. I checked out wiki and ended up bookmarking a page that explains kernal computing, and a few others, lots of reading ahead
As a noob I have tried to learn without getting in the way too much. I'm glad you admitted your noobness and asked for some direction, you're not the only one who could use it!
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As flipz stated, there's no good centralized place for organized information. The best advice is truly to search this site, and search with google. It's an uphill battle getting that base of knowledge built up to get you going. I know, I'm still working my way up the hill. I thought about putting a site together to organize and share information but that would take away too much from what little time I have to spend on rom developement.
I doub't that is really the answer you were hoping to get but unfortunately thats the grim reality of things. Perhaps someone with a lot more free time than I, will put together a site of their own and compile and organize all kinds of good information in a central place. It would truly be a boon to the android community.
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Sounds like what the original replyee said but said much more tact.
I'm hoping that was a compliment in a round about way.
THIS is an amazing resource. I've stopped in there before but wasn't ready to poke around too much.
I'll see you guys/gals in the spring!
I'd like to offer some insight, but there's really not much more I could add than what's already stated and linked above. Everything you need to know can be found (usually) easily on the android developer site, or in a google search. The hard part is putting those pieces together to know what needs to be done in order to accomplish what. That's not an easy task: check out cyanogen's github projects (http://github.com/cyanogen). He's made modifications to the kernel, Android applications, core frameworks, configurations, recovery images, packaged resources/images, and more. It's not just one piece that goes into these builds.
Most of what you see around here (and this is certainly not to take away from all the great work I'm referring to, because this is just as important as everything else), are people modifying what was already done somewhere else, and making it work for their own phone. And really that's all it takes to move progress forward.
You don't have to be a linux whiz or a Java programmer to be able to make progress with your phone- you just need to understand how each particular piece works in order to make progress on that piece. If you want to make a theme, you need to know what jar or apk files contain the resources, and how to replace those images and styles. If you want to add support for the camera you need to know what linux driver it should use, and how Android expects to interact with that driver. Same for supporting accelerometer sensors, etc.
There's no definitive checklist of things you have to know before you can help development, it just depends on what what you want to help with, and your willingness to research how that particular piece works and what it would take to make the necessary changes.
maejrep,
Informative and encouraging. Thanks!
Hey guys I was hoping you could help me out. Great site here and awesome community. Can someone just simply give me the proper reading material in order to port this? I am trying android developing I use to do some minor developing but never with android, I will have about a year of free time and I was thinking I might as well be productive. Just a start, yes I googled it, and I just get lots of crap of games ported to android not how it was ported. Just some beginner sites would be awesome. I know I can't just port games I need to know android basics just don't know where to look
Maybe here: http://developer.android.com/guide/index.html ?
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Maybe here: http://developer.android.com/guide/index.html ?
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Like I said anything would help
I love how every application or program have the same tutorial.. damn you to hell "Hello World"!!!!
A port is in progress at hackcasual dot net
Help is most definitely welcome.
With the newly deodexed honeycomb I have gotten the itch to start looking into how to create/develop my own rom.
What is the best way to start learning, is there a good starting point, I have been doing some reading but it just seems so overwhelming.
I do have basic Linux knowledge and can whip up a linux VM in no time to get crackin. I have been modding my EVO for the last year so i know how to be a "user" and have tinkered with the xoom but have only scratched the surface.
So my question is just this, Where to start??
any input would be helpful.
+1!
need a little walkthrough too :S!!
and someone can say what files NEVER EDIT to not brick the xoom!!
i too would be highly interested in learning what steps to take.
bossjeeves said:
With the newly deodexed honeycomb I have gotten the itch to start looking into how to create/develop my own rom.
What is the best way to start learning, is there a good starting point, I have been doing some reading but it just seems so overwhelming.
I do have basic Linux knowledge and can whip up a linux VM in no time to get crackin. I have been modding my EVO for the last year so i know how to be a "user" and have tinkered with the xoom but have only scratched the surface.
So my question is just this, Where to start??
any input would be helpful.
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Get that VM set up, and get your environment set up so you can build AOSP.
Look through the source so you know what parts of Android are found where in the tree.
Learn a little about the platform, what does what...
Basically, just get your hands dirty.
ydaraishy said:
Get that VM set up, and get your environment set up so you can build AOSP.
Look through the source so you know what parts of Android are found where in the tree.
Learn a little about the platform, what does what...
Basically, just get your hands dirty.
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so this is kind of what I expected for an answer but I would like a little more if you dont mind.
Like maybe a couple of links pointing in the right direction, like what does the environment need for tools etc.
ydaraishy said:
Get that VM set up, and get your environment set up so you can build AOSP.
Look through the source so you know what parts of Android are found where in the tree.
Learn a little about the platform, what does what...
Basically, just get your hands dirty.
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That's like saying jump in a lions den and see what ticks him off. Can we get more details please? I want to get into theming and want to know the ideal OS to do it on. I was hoping on doing it in Linux but want advice from themers.
IV been playing hippie for a couple of weeks so I don't know if I missed something but, unless the full AOSP source has been released, a deodex rom will help with nothing but theming.
You can't do much to customise a ready built rom, and you would be wasting your time to try anything but the simplest of mods.
That being said, if you're happy to play with smali you might achieve a little more.
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alias_neo said:
IV been playing hippie for a couple of weeks so I don't know if I missed something but, unless the full AOSP source has been released, a deodex rom will help with nothing but theming.
You can't do much to customise a ready built rom, and you would be wasting your time to try anything but the simplest of mods.
That being said, if you're happy to play with smali you might achieve a little more.
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this is exactly what I am talking about here, This is kind of why I brought it up in the xoom forum, since we dont have source and we do have a deodexed rom wouldnt playing with that be a great place to start? if so like what would be the best place to start, you say play with smali, now I know I can google and get tons of answers but I am asking to explain a little more because I trust the feedback from here and I think others might benefit also
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this is exactly what I am talking about here, This is kind of why I brought it up in the xoom forum, since we dont have source and we do have a deodexed rom wouldnt playing with that be a great place to start? if so like what would be the best place to start, you say play with smali, now I know I can google and get tons of answers but I am asking to explain a little more because I trust the feedback from here and I think others might benefit also
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Smali is a tool that will reverse engineer (baksmali) dalvik byte code into (barely) human readable code. If you can learn to understand this you can reverse and modify stuff with it. If i remember right, brut.all is the guy responsible, have a read around, but i warn you, its not for the feint of heart.
Macbots drool as I XOOM through the Galaxy to my hearts Desire.
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this is exactly what I am talking about here, This is kind of why I brought it up in the xoom forum, since we dont have source and we do have a deodexed rom wouldnt playing with that be a great place to start? if so like what would be the best place to start, you say play with smali, now I know I can google and get tons of answers but I am asking to explain a little more because I trust the feedback from here and I think others might benefit also
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Here is one of the best sources I've found....... made by cyanogen himself, tonnes of info here.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=667298
I did come across this link http://simply-android.wikia.com/wiki/ROM_Development
looks like something that would be a helpful start. thoughts?
ps thanks for the replys
I think the best way to learn anything is just to read a lot, and to search for any questions you have. There are a thousand ways to learn to hack, but they all require the initiative to find answers on your own.
Sorry if this sounds patronizing. I always hated it when I get on a board and ask for something, and some curmudgeon geek tells me "Google is your friend". But it's true. You get better answers faster, as you can avail from the entire Internet, as opposed to the small number of people who reply to your query.
Thanks to the dude who linked to the Cyan advice post. My takeaway is this one line:
"There is a *ton* of information out there but any kind of "step-by-step rom cooking guide" is going to be a complete fail- it's too broad of a subject."
IMO if you are serious about ROM hacking, you need a dedicated linux environment. Cygwin is OK for run-time stuff, but too limited for anything else. If you only want to run basic bash commands, a simpler solution is win-bash (http://win-bash.sourceforge.net).
I'm kinda in the same shoes you are. Android interests me, although I don't have a Xoom or an Android tablet for that matter. Was gonna get a HC tab to tinker, but HC is still too green, so decided on a Nook Color for educational purposes. It's been out a while, and has many hacks already done that I can peruse. That, and it'll be useful for my "read a lot" mantra above.
Hi all:
So I've been really into messing around with custom stuff for about 3 weeks now - and I LOVE the possibilities Android provides. I've been looking for an excuse to put my programmer hat back on and start messing with something new. ROM development and messing with stock stuff really looks like a fun hobby and I'm interested in having a look around.
I'm going to pull the Android SDK and go through all of that, plus I've pecked around in the AOSP web space, etc. etc. However, I'm also wanting to reach out to the dev community here to see what the preferred tools of the trade are. Would anyone be so kind as to provide me with some good starting points in the way of tools? Mods, please move my question to the appropriate place if this isn't the right spot for the thread....
Thanks in advance to anyone out there that can help!
Hey everyone.
I'm a new developer, and I'll start with the mandatory apologetic prelude to my question, which is, I hope I'm in the right forum. Also, I've searched through the forums for an answer to my query, admittedly not too much, but the information seemed to be scarce.
Anyway, I'm a new aspiring Android developer, and I'm making my baby steps into coding for my favorite mobile OS.
Since I'm just starting right after the latest I/O, my attention is leaning toward the welcoming Android studio. The problems that arise are:
A. No tutorials for this new environment.
B. It's surly buggy.
So my question really, is the Android studio the right place to start in? Or am I better off starting with the ADT Bundle, which includes (I assume) all the stuff I need to get started with.
Thanks a bunch!
p.s
I'm sorry for any typos etc, English is not my main language. :cyclops:
You should not
This is a 0.1 release and you'll loose more time trying to find why things don't work than learning android.
Depending on what you want to do with Android (little apps for you or bigger project later) I'd recommend either to go with eclipse since it will still be maintained and you'll have most tutorial on it.
If you want to think about future I'd go with real IntelliJ to learn using it and be ready for future Android studio and all the gradle things that will come.
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You should not
This is a 0.1 release and you'll loose more time trying to find why things don't work than learning android.
Depending on what you want to do with Android (little apps for you or bigger project later) I'd recommend either to go with eclipse since it will still be maintained and you'll have most tutorial on it.
If you want to think about future I'd go with real IntelliJ to learn using it and be ready for future Android studio and all the gradle things that will come.
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I agree. :good:
Tolriq said:
You should not
This is a 0.1 release and you'll loose more time trying to find why things don't work than learning android.
Depending on what you want to do with Android (little apps for you or bigger project later) I'd recommend either to go with eclipse since it will still be maintained and you'll have most tutorial on it.
If you want to think about future I'd go with real IntelliJ to learn using it and be ready for future Android studio and all the gradle things that will come.
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Thanks for the reply.
IntelliJ it is.
Is there a specific course you might recommend?
Thanks again.
shermenz said:
Thanks for the reply.
IntelliJ it is.
Is there a specific course you might recommend?
Thanks again.
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Go with eclipse, even IntelliJ is same as Android Studio... Rest is upto you.
Happy programming, Good luck!!
shermenz said:
Hey everyone.
I'm a new developer, and I'll start with the mandatory apologetic prelude to my question, which is, I hope I'm in the right forum. Also, I've searched through the forums for an answer to my query, admittedly not too much, but the information seemed to be scarce.
Anyway, I'm a new aspiring Android developer, and I'm making my baby steps into coding for my favorite mobile OS.
Since I'm just starting right after the latest I/O, my attention is leaning toward the welcoming Android studio. The problems that arise are:
A. No tutorials for this new environment.
B. It's surly buggy.
So my question really, is the Android studio the right place to start in? Or am I better off starting with the ADT Bundle, which includes (I assume) all the stuff I need to get started with.
Thanks a bunch!
p.s
I'm sorry for any typos etc, English is not my main language. :cyclops:
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i think u must try develop on eclipse first.. because alot of tutorial android with eclipse IDE
I suppose i agree with the other people somewhat, but i've just started following tutorials and using android studio. I haven't really ran into any major issues, and i think going through and trying to find something myself really helps me learn. I guess it depends on how adventurous and patient you are. I haven't really found any bugs, but you could wait till an update that fixes major bugs if you want. Oh and it looks nicer, and is a bit more handy than eclipse. good luck
atishpatel2012 said:
I suppose i agree with the other people somewhat, but i've just started following tutorials and using android studio. I haven't really ran into any major issues, and i think going through and trying to find something myself really helps me learn. I guess it depends on how adventurous and patient you are. I haven't really found any bugs, but you could wait till an update that fixes major bugs if you want. Oh and it looks nicer, and is a bit more handy than eclipse. good luck
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Yeah, I find it better for coding. However, I have already experienced some bugs. But they are just related to the layout preview thing. So nothing serious.
I still think that for new developers it is better to start with Eclipse due to the amount of tutorials for it, but I agree that it is a great learning experience. :good:
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After getting past the 5th or 6th tutorial. If you can, then buy a "Beginning Java for Dummies" book. There are a lot of things about Java which can't be explained in a video.
Please Do Check it Out
P. S: I'm not trying to gain views for that video, I'm just telling you this because of personal experience!