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Hey people,
There's a lot of talk about permrooting the desire z etc. But i just want to throw this out there.
I like temproot via visionary. And i'll tell you why.
First, temproot is sufficient for titanium to back up your phone and restore it.
Second, temproot is enough to overclock your phone by running scripts in gscript. And even though you have to do it manually after reboot (ie lost root) it really takes less than 10 seconds after you have it all set up.
Third, if i've done something to create a problem (I mean temporary things like overclock, disabling packages etc.), i can just reboot and voila! Working phone again. However, i'm not sure this would make the phone "invincible" to tampering. Make sure you know what you're doing or don't do it!!!!
This is assuming you like your current ROM, like I do, and you're not too hung up on nandroid/bart backups. Personally, i prefer nandroid/bart from a good clockworkmod custom backup, but it's a tradeoff with having an almost perfectly safe rooting experience.
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Yes but can you flash ROMs? Nope. It's a completely different experience once you start flashing. And you can always revert the perm root if you run into problems with the phone...
It's a good point you make.
On my G1 I tried all the CM ROMS I could try, and super d, e, and f. I loved the tweaks available and sent most nights flashing or testing ROM and kernel combos.
But in the end I, personally was essentially looking for what this current sense ROM seems to be delivering so far. Just my personal taste right now.
It was just food for thought for all those who may feel squeamish about permroot on their new phone but want a little bit more freedom.
I'm sure in a few months i'll be modding the crap out of this thing anyway. Can't suppress the inner nerd forever lol.
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A couple month!? I literally rooted this and started flashing like a madman the second this was out of the box... where do you find the restraint?
HTC Vision/T-Mobile G2 w/Cyanogenmod 6.1.1&G2 Fast kernel.
Maybe I'm overestimating myself haha. When I finally got into super d on my g1 I was like "this is good, this is fast, just be happy with this" but still I was swapping ROMs left and right like every night haha
Once I was working out of town and I tried a new overclocking kernel first thing in the morning, got my phone all goofed up including my SD card corrupted somehow, used a blackberry torch to format and to get the stock Android 1.0 nbh back on my SD card, and had the thing rooted and running a brand new ROM by the end of breakfast. Lol.
Soooooo maybe i'll last a couple more days haha
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I couldn't live without CyanogenMod. There is no reason to NOT permaroot.
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Gscript overclocking is inefficient, if you want a stable and consistant OC with UV kernels you'll have to root. My 2cents.
I am very familiar with cm6, but I want you to covert me lol.
What makes the script oc inefficient?
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You can't undervolt for screen off profiles or change voltage for smoother performance, you can only set 1 OC speed with gscript running at stock voltage. So when you set your cpu speed to let's say 1.4GHz with gscript it is always running at that speed when the power is on, thus using more power, even with the screen off.
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Hmm. I am not sure about controlling the voltages (important for battery life and cpu heat, right?), but both set cpu and system panel both show my cpu freq as changing from 245 MHz to 1017 MHz (or 1420 MHz if i want) according to demand with a good half dozen other speeds in between.
Edit: perhaps i should note that i was using the cpoc.sh, oc.sh (or ohshitttt.sh), and noreboot.sh scripts i found somewhere. They seem to work pretty well so far. I don't know too much about mflops, but i just did one and my d z was 37 @ 1017 MHz and 49 @ 1420 MHz.
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Just as a sidenote, I've been permrooted for a week now and modding a lot haha. Oh well.
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jontornblom said:
Just as a sidenote, I've been permrooted for a week now and modding a lot haha. Oh well.
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LOL....You should put [SOLVED] in the oringinal title for the thread.
Aahaha will do!
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Thanks for this thread. Coupled with ianmcquinn's post about Permanent Root, I made the decision to root. Less than 5 minutes later, it was done.
...and I guess, sorry for the *bump,* but I'm new to this forum and hope you don't beat me me too badly with those nunchakus.
Honestly, I don't know WHAT I was thinking lol.
Actually, at the time, none of the custom roms offered anything more than the stock rom + oc, unless you wanted aosp on your dz or sense on your G2. Now, it's an entirely different story. Thanks to great devs (siulmagic in particular when it comes to diversity) we have:
Like 10 versions of Sense from 1.0 over Froyo, to Sense 3.0 over Gingerbread 2.3.4 and everything in between.
Probably twice as many takes on AOSP, mostly from cm7, but cm6 and other AOSP sources as well.
I think there might be five MIUI roms kicking around too.
If you are newly rooted, my top 3 suggestions for exploring new roms are:
1. Virtuous Unity: The ultimate in Sense flashiness, but also very quick and stable. Watch out for Sense Paradox too!
2. Osimood MIUI: the included kernel puts it above the others (right now). Otherwise, I think all the lastest MIUI builds are essentially the same. MIUI is something totally different for android. Don't dismiss it too quickly
3. SuperCM7: a cm7 build that just feels right. Fantastic performance and flexibility.
To be honest, I'm using SenseGinger 3.0 as my daily driver right now, but I've done some tweaks to it myself. I find it to be a very well rounded contribution as well.
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Perm-rooting: its like temprooting, but several times better without the headaches.
Lol... wow, how'd this thread resurface?! I can't even count the number of rom flashes and fried SD Cards since I posted here in January!
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Reading this thread is like looking at pictures of myself in grade 9 and wondering why I thought that haircut was a good idea.
-- ; )
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A buddy's girlfriend just picked this phone up and she had me check it out and show her the ropes (I own an Epic 4g and came from a Hero) and I just couldn't get over how incredibly slow it was. It installed and opened apps slowly, it changed screens slowly, I honestly thought it was a 500Mhz phone until I looked it up. Now, I know these custom UI skins have a tendency to drag down performance, but my Hero never ran like this and neither does the Evo which is a similarly spec'd phone with the "same" software. Its so bad at this point even she's fed up with it and the only Android phone she's had before is the Vortex which is a 600Mhz device.
Now, I know that this phone is capable of more given its hardware and I'm going to get right to hacking it up for her and getting CM6 or 7 (nice btw, I wish we had CM7 going on the Epic) but is the stock software it comes with supposed to be this bad or is this an atypical experience that if I were to do a factory restore (via RUU or w/e file type they chose to load software with) would fix it?
Definitely unusual, my gf has a stock that she abuses, installing everything she finds and never uninstalling or rebooting and her phone still runs smooth. Might happen to have an app misbehaving...
Thanks, I've worked many an HTC phone and hers is a disaster. I can't imagine what app could have been misbehaving, but I assume it'll stop once I wipe everything and load some vanilla Android goodness. I'll admit, I'm more excited to mess around with CM7 than I am to root around in her stock phone to find whatever's causing the problem.
I'm still running stock on my MT4G, and it's quick as can be. Been using it a month or so and virtually no lag.
My stock mt4g wasn't slow either. But definitely root it. Much faster
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My stock mt4g wasn't slow either. But definitely root it. Much faster
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Lol, yeah I'm sure performance would be even better after rooting and optimizing, but I'm not there yet. I had my MT3G for like 6 months before I got bored and decided to root, after which I tried about 20 different roms. I'm sure I'll follow a similar pattern with this phone - in a few months I'll get bored and root to start switching things up. But still enjoying the stock experience as it offers everything I had to root the MT3G for. Plus rooting after running stock for a while will really make it feel like getting a new phone without actually having to buy one
I just bought one as well on the 12th of Feb and it's VERY slow. Annoying. I DID run a Quadrant standard test on it and it scored about 1660 which is nice. No matter how many factory resets I do, it doesn't change the crappy smothered OS.
My stock EVO was very fast. Other MT4G's I've worked with are able to be rooted and are very snappy STOCK. This one is slow and giving me a headache.
I am unable to root it with any method available. I can't find Visionary 11, which supposedly is the problem...
I'm waiting for another method to come out. I've tried about 4 different methods...
Install iced glacier rom on it and maybe faux's kernel and you're done. It should be smooth as butter. I don't know how tthat stock is slow but I've played with a buddies stock phone and its still quick. No lag. Definitely a app misbehaving
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If wiping does not fix it, then I would say there is a hardware issue. It should not be slow at all.
Yeah. Took me about a week before I decided lol.
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I just bought one as well on the 12th of Feb and it's VERY slow. Annoying. I DID run a Quadrant standard test on it and it scored about 1660 which is nice. No matter how many factory resets I do, it doesn't change the crappy smothered OS.
My stock EVO was very fast. Other MT4G's I've worked with are able to be rooted and are very snappy STOCK. This one is slow and giving me a headache.
I am unable to root it with any method available. I can't find Visionary 11, which supposedly is the problem...
I'm waiting for another method to come out. I've tried about 4 different methods...
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It seems like a factory reset wouldn't fix any core issue, since there isn't an image kept on the phone's memory. It just wipes all of your user data and returns the phone to an original state, but if the original state is in some way corrupted you would have to flash a known good image of the stock ROM to correct any problems. You can find good post-OTA PD15IMG.zip files on these forums.
Misbehaving apps or hardware problems are not the only reason for slow down.
If you have your phone syncing a ton (facebook, twitter, Qik, weather, stocks) it will appear slow as it becomes sluggish during the sync process.
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Misbehaving apps or hardware problems are not the only reason for slow down.
If you have your phone syncing a ton (facebook, twitter, Qik, weather, stocks) it will appear slow as it becomes sluggish during the sync process.
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You should be able to run 7 screen full of active push widgets and full syncs without the type of lag he is describing.
He said he thought it was a 550MHz phone until he looked up the specs. There's got to be some rogue program controlling things. Check out the running apps / services and also check the battery usage.
Finally, if a wipe doesn't fix it, send 'er back!
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I just bought one as well on the 12th of Feb and it's VERY slow. Annoying. I DID run a Quadrant standard test on it and it scored about 1660 which is nice. No matter how many factory resets I do, it doesn't change the crappy smothered OS.
My stock EVO was very fast. Other MT4G's I've worked with are able to be rooted and are very snappy STOCK. This one is slow and giving me a headache.
I am unable to root it with any method available. I can't find Visionary 11, which supposedly is the problem...
I'm waiting for another method to come out. I've tried about 4 different methods...
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Here is Visionary R11
What's the story on the app? Is it advisable to use it or not? Im running cm 7 btw.
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no
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Yes.
It was more critical on the Hero, where memory was more limited.
On the EVO, in this less limited setup. I still use it. It eliminates any lag in loading newly selected apps. It does cause Android OS to exercise its memory loading algorithm since all autokiller memory .. does is load different values for the OS to implement.
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Yes.
It was more critical on the Hero, where memory was more limited.
On the EVO, in this less limited setup. I still use it. It eliminates any lag in loading newly selected apps. It does cause Android OS to exercise its memory loading algorithm since all autokiller memory .. does is load different values for the OS to implement.
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See thats my issue because sometimes it kills apps that are still active. Like twitter. It kills it and then i have to login again. It just changes the way android handles background apps.
But im beginning to suspect that it messes with the kernels. Hence i deleted it and enabled the long press to kill app on cm 7.
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If a background app isnt using the cpu and you have available memory what's the point of killing an app?
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Malikione said:
If a background app isnt using the cpu and you have available memory what's the point of killing an app?
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I was struggling with memory hence i used it, but now i just kill them myself.
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RAM not used is wasted memory. You really do not need it if you are on a 2.2+ ROM. Memory management is great on Android now.
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No killer here!!
Swyped from my cyanogenized and gingerbreaded EVO
task killers are NOT needed on android 2.2 and above. they make things worse.
My evo memory sucks butt!
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sitlet said:
task killers are NOT needed on android 2.2 and above. they make things worse.
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Except that Autokiller isn't a "task killer" per se. Not in the sense that they're typically thought of anyway. It allows you to adjust the threshold at which Android's built-in method kills apps. It's a tiered system. You can also adjust them with adb or terminal, but this basically provides a simpler GUI for achieving the same results. I use Autokiller, and it does seem to help speed things up a bit.
Say what you will, but my rooted EVO running 2.2 slows down at times and I open Task Killer only to find a dozen apps running, most of which I had not been using. After killing these apps, my phone is back to it's normal speed. I am not convinced 2.2 closes apps any better than 2.1 did.
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Say what you will, but my rooted EVO running 2.2 slows down at times and I open Task Killer only to find a dozen apps running, most of which I had not been using. After killing these apps, my phone is back to it's normal speed. I am not convinced 2.2 closes apps any better than 2.1 did.
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That's what im saying too lol. It does its job but it leaves lots of apps running.
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leebo said:
Say what you will, but my rooted EVO running 2.2 slows down at times and I open Task Killer only to find a dozen apps running, most of which I had not been using. After killing these apps, my phone is back to it's normal speed. I am not convinced 2.2 closes apps any better than 2.1 did.
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And that's fine. Nobody needs to convince you otherwise. You have every right to kill apps whenever you want. Nobody's stopping you. I wouldn't recommend it, but I'm not going to come to your house and stop you. LOL.
Those dozen apps aren't "running". Not in the foreground anyway. Android has a tiered system to killing apps. A hierarchy if you will. Apps run in the background, setting themselves up for when they are "called upon", sort of like a cache. OK, not quite, but I said sort of . By killing those off, and then having them start again on their own, it actually uses more battery, when leaving them dormant in the background doesn't really harm anything.
I'm oversimplifying it here for the sake of easy digestion. Again, I'm not here to "convince" you, as choice is a good thing. But knowledge before making that choice is make that choice better. Read up on how Android works. It's quite interesting.
I'm kind of getting sluggish performance on mine, but only after installing certain applications--even though, I didn't install that many...
Has anyone gotten slow performance on theirs? If so, what was the culprit?
I've never had sluggish performance on this phone :\
I hear of small handfuls of people who do, and don't know what to tell them.
The slowness is caused by bloatware mostly, in my opinion. Rooting is a must for me, never been happier with any phone until I've rooted and removed excess pre-installed apps. Background services of any kind will also bog your phone down. Once my PLAY was optimized, it got WAY faster
Fast at 1GHz. Faster at 1.6. Could be a bit faster sure, but its fine as it is
Slow.
I deleted all the bloatware. Have Ram Manager installed and still slow. I don't know what's wrong.
Do you guys have animations enabled?
Fast. Rooted, OCed, .64 firmware. I'm not waiting for much of anything on this thing.
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Do you guys have animations enabled?
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Yep, All Animations.
I really wish I knew what to tell people too. I do have it upgraded to 2.3.4, rooted, ADB setInstallLocation optimized and de-bloated, but aside from that I haven't even gone as far as to continue my tradition of slamming Chainfire 3D on everything. And it was smooth even back on 2.3.3 when I was up to my knees in bloatware.
SD card class maybe?? I've heard stories that, while higher class cards are usually good, they result in sluggish performance on smartphones.
Mine is pretty fast as it stands.
I have a task killer app and just installed 2.3.4 on my R800at.
I get a freeze up every now and then but usually only when I forget to kill some apps before loading something. But the homescreen is usually always fast, even when I only have 44mb of ram left.
Task killing+removing bloatware is a definite way to increase performance. Im not overclocked at all and dont have any problems.
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Mine is pretty fast as it stands.
I have a task killer app and just installed 2.3.4 on my R800at.
I get a freeze up every now and then but usually only when I forget to kill some apps before loading something. But the homescreen is usually always fast, even when I only have 44mb of ram left.
Task killing+removing bloatware is a definite way to increase performance. Im not overclocked at all and dont have any problems.
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How did you get 2.3.4 on your r800at?
mine too slows down after installing so many apps/games eventhough i deleted those bloatware..
i have locked bootloader so no OC.
but now it's fast as brand new after i install the v6 supercharger..
brochador said:
mine too slows down after installing so many apps/games eventhough i deleted those bloatware..
i have locked bootloader so no OC.
but now it's fast as brand new after i install the v6 supercharger..
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I hate to sound stupid but what is v6 supercharger and where can I get it?
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I hate to sound stupid but what is v6 supercharger and where can I get it?
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You guys should try out cola6 rom
its the fastest thing since sliced bologna
Mines always been fast (till i broke the screen)
the other one im now using seems to be quite laggy when playing GTA 3
though the broken one never lagged once while playing it.
Mines pretty standard, not very slow but maybe some lag here and there. is bloatware the apps that come pre installed?
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I hate to sound stupid but what is v6 supercharger and where can I get it?
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Here.
My Play is overclocked to 1.6ghz and I use V6 Supercharger. The only time I get any lag/slow down is for about 15 seconds after booting. Otherwise it's incredibly fast and responsive
Mine is speedy, rooted locked booterload 2.3.4
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How did you get 2.3.4 on your r800at?
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Flashtool and the generic 2.3.4 firmware. Theres a thread for it in the development forum but it's pretty buried. I feel like a lot of folks miss it because of that. It's pretty easy. No unlocked bootloader needed.
And it definitely speeds up the device. For sure.
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colbyfink said:
Mine is pretty fast as it stands.
I have a task killer app and just installed 2.3.4 on my R800at.
I get a freeze up every now and then but usually only when I forget to kill some apps before loading something. But the homescreen is usually always fast, even when I only have 44mb of ram left.
Task killing+removing bloatware is a definite way to increase performance. Im not overclocked at all and dont have any problems.
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Task killing is in the long run slowing you down and the worst thing you can do. Let Android handle it, give it a week to learn the programs and your patterns and I guarantee it will be better than when you do it. There have been many articles on this.
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You guys should try out cola6 rom
its the fastest thing since sliced bologna
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This makes no sense whatsoever. But from you I'm not surprised.
As for the OP, I would call it medium. It can be fast when running certain games and programs. It can be slow other times, like when your Message box has a lot of messages, or you're playing a poorly coded game like NOVA 2 which has all sorts of slowdowns. Mine is bone stock with a Class 4 Sandisk card.
Use Task Killer wisely.
My xperia Play(default everything) is only slow when i have Emulators or Youtube in the backround.
When you are Using task Killer DO NOT Kill Apps that you use alot or Apps That you will be using a little while later.
As this will only take more battery as the apps have to boot up again
instead of having it in the back round.
I bought the play thinking it would be better than my last phone ( htc desire ). I thought sense was bloaty but have to say the play has been disappointing. It handles apps and games as well if not slightly better but its the home screen and widgets that seem to lag. I rooted and tried different launchers and have found go launcher best at giving the most features and widgets without lag.
Uhh guys and gals?? - i'm not sure if anyone have noticed this but i sure have.. had my mt4g unrooted device upgraded to 2.3.4 gb via OTA last month (using Froyo 2.2.1 temp root prior to upgrade GB) and it was hella slow due to all the bloatwares it came with but now i'm just recently started to notice the rom acceleration picking up and its faster in terms of surfing through app widgets and loading response (even with bloatwares). I mean, is this a no-brainer improvement that we've all come to expect coming from Froyo to GB? sorry, it's a very NOOB question as I'm not so fond of reflashing roms and rooting devices... could someone please confirm this for me??
I don't know what you are talking about man. I had the OTA gingerbread and i had to push clock speeds to 1.4 ghz to get it smooth....
well sounds to me that yours is rooted.... but mine isn't.. however, prior to noticing the speed improvements, i've cleaned out the cache and kill tasks to free up more memory (duh yeah i know what it'll do lol) but i've done that in the past and it was still hella sluggish... now, my device all of a sudden functions like its rooted.... I really have no other way to explain the cause of it but i think its pretty damn cool... -shrugs-
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I don't know what you are talking about man. I had the OTA gingerbread and i had to push clock speeds to 1.4 ghz to get it smooth....
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could it be that i'm running a different launcher as oppose to stock GB?.. i currently have the Go Launcher EX as my default launcher... but i don't know much about its impact on performance...
Go launcher slows my phone down. Badly. Btw, rooting your phone doesn't make it faster. Altering things once you have root CAN make it faster.
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