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I know if you root you lose your warrenty, but my question is will you still be able to get an insurance replacement? Or is that also void? If you still can get an insurance replacement I don't see a reason not to root. I know for the Fuze I would just have to reinstall the factory rom, does this work the same way on android?
Also if I root and flash a new rom onto my nexus one, will I lose all the apps i bought? I really don't want to have to buy them all again.
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No, the apps you buy are synced with your google account so when you sign back in then you can redownload them.
About insurance, just give it some water damage or something and claim that. Root status or not shouldn't void it.
First off, thank you for your reply.
So my purchased downloads should appear under the downloads tab in the market after I finish flashing a new rom?
Also, just to make sure I have this process down right (trying hard not to brick my phone so please forgive my noobness to andriod, I got so used to WM phones)
First I need to make sure i have all the proper USB drivers.
Next I have to root my phone found in the following link which will wipe my phone also? http://theunlockr.com/2010/01/02/how-to-root-the-nexus-one/
Then I can flash CM 5.0.2 following his first time flash instructions found here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=623496
I assume this has the recent OTA update already built with in the rom.
Finally I can then install the black bar (reason for doing any of this) found here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=617336
It says it just has the framework so I really don't know what to do yet, but I'm figuring after I go through this process it will make more sense by then?
I see on some places that it would be a good idea to use nandriod before I root, but when I read the nandroid description it says the phone has to be alreayd rooted. So I'm assuming this would be a waste of time for now?
Is there any way to back up my messages, bookmarks, etc. before I root? If I just have to kiss them good bye I'd understand, but just trying to make sure before I do it.
on most of the things you are correct, the black bar mod, you just flash in recovery after you flash the rom.
technically you can nandroid before you root, unlocking your bootloader and rooting are two separate things. After you unlock your bootloader and flash the recovery image to it, you are not technically rooted and can use the recovery image to make a nandroid of your unrooted phone.
there are a few backup apps in the market for various things. I know there are a few sms backup apps, but am not so sure about bookmarks.
you have the idea of what to do down though
Hi guys!
I have my Hero since December and I am more than happy with it.However,having used Custom ROMs on my Diamond and having seen all the amazing work that's been done with the Hero,I occasionally catch myself thinking that I am really stupid staying with the stock ROM and wanting to try something new,something "shiny".BUT!All my contacts,messages etc are in the Hero and it's my everyday phone.What's more,I don't want to void my warranty(not permanently and irreversibly that is),to put aside the fact that I already love it as it is!I just like change,like most of you here I assume.On my Diamond I must have changed more than 20 ROMs and not just one install for every ROM,but the updated versions of some etc.
I am still very skeptic on whether to root my Hero,so I want some questions answered if possible.
First off,what is Nandroid backup and what does it backup?Can I bring my phone back EXACTLY in the state it was?All stock,like nothing has happened!I don't care about losing root access on my phone,I only want to be able to undo any changes that I make.
And secondly,what chance of bricking my phone is there?I see most chefs recommending wiping.Is it something like MTTY for WinMo devices?
Thanks in advance!
Nandroid only backs up certain parts of the system; as of a few months ago, they don't include user apps, but do include all system apps and system settings.
If you want to make your phone stock again, flash an HTC official RUU update. I'm talking about the .exe, not a .zip cooked by anyone here - the RUU will rewrite every part of your phone, putting it back to a 100% fresh state.
Also, the only way I can think of that you can brick a Hero easily is interrupting a radio flash.
So there's no way to somehow backup my current ROM and bring it back?
If so I guess there's no rooting etc for me until I get my next handset...
Also,some say that,once the hero is updated to 2.1 by htc there will be no rooting,flashing and so on.True or what?
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Nandroid only backs up certain parts of the system; as of a few months ago, they don't include user apps, but do include all system apps and system settings....
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Still working bang on here. Use apps2sd, do Nandroid+Ext backup and it restores everything exactly how it was.
EDIT.... Oh yeah,... Post in General or Q&A next time.
I am posting here because I,maybe later on,will come to issues concerning ROMs.Sorry however!
Anyway!I think I cannot use apps2sd,I am still using the stock 1.5 ROM and haven't rooted my phone yet.
But what do you mean saying that everythings goes back to how it was?Only programms or contacts,settings etc?
Sorry for the trouble I am causing you,I hope you understand!
Ok... first of all, you cannot nandroid backup before you root AFAIK, and the backup restores your phone to *exactly* the same state as it is when performing backup (including messages, phone contacts, apps, etc.). However, since you must have root to backup it will restore your phone with root, which means you will lose your warranty.
However, you can also backup most of your settings with apps on the market. You can sync contacts with google, so they will never get lost, backup apps and messages and then restore them without having to have root.
Also, in case, you want to use your warranty, you can always remove root, etc. with the stock .exe update. Then you'll have to restore apps and settings with whatever backup application you were using to backup them. So I don't think you'll have any problems with that.
And, as mentioned earlier, there is no chance for you to brick your phone by simply flashing roms. Only way is to flash wrong radio (for example CDMA radio on GSM hero) or to pull out the battery during radio flashing.
Nandroid backs up (almost) the entire state of your phone.
If you need to unroot then use an ruu (the exe) which are official HTC programs to get your entire phone back to stock.
With your warranty, it's only void if they know it's rooted, so if you use an ruu everything will be fine .
And if you don't decide to root then DO NOT flash the official update as you will (probably) not be able to root again.
if you want to root then I recommend www.roothtchero.co.uk it's a great guide to rooting your phone.
One more question.If I root my phone but don't flash a custom rom,can I do a Nandroid backup for my stock rom?
I am gonna root my phone via villianrom forum instructions..noob alert..do we HAVE to add radio RUU? or we can just root the phone. And thats it?
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Hi. I'd like to completely image my wildfire before rooting so that I have an image of it before I did anything. Just in case. Is it possible with soft root or unrevoked?
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Hi. I used androot to get a soft root. Any way to backup rom?
You could use adb to extract the whole tree, but it won't preserve permissions so will be useless.
Short answer: no. Do a proper root.
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Yes, but the thing is that I want the ROM preserved completely as-is, with no custom recovery or anything. Say, something got broken in hardware, so to get the phone serviced I'd need to flash the stock ROM back on. I heard they don't even check the recovery, but if someone did I'd be in trouble.
On my Linux, I used "dd if=/dev/sda of=/root/hddimg" to get the byte-for-byte copy of my HDD. Will that work in Android as well?
EDIT: Of course I didn't mean /dev/sda, the ROM device is another one, right?
i don't think you can with soft root, you can dl titanium backup and save all your apps and settings on your sd card, but that won't backup your entire rom. i would just do a full root, im not that clumsy enough to kill my phone
you can also use the ruu to go back to your stock rom, but use the right one in case you lose root
I'm looking for a way of backing up my Vodafone Rom so when I install a sim free one I can restore all settings if I ever need to send if off for warranty, it won't void it.
Anything I can do???
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This doesn't make sense.
You can't ROOT a device, surely, without flashing the ROM?
So... ROOTING the device, by flashing the ROM, and THEN you want to backup the entire device? This sounds useless, as as soon as you ROOT the device, you've overwritten the original ROM! So how can you backup the Original ROM if you've overwritten it?
Which came first? The Chicken (ROM) or the Egg (Root)?
I didn't flash a ROM to get a root. I used Universal androot which does soft root on wildfire as well. Soft root means just getting root without modifying the system files permanently (ie. Changes disappear at reboot). Secondly, full root like unrevoked only write-unlocks the phone and flashes custom recover y. What I want is to have full backup of the phone WITHOUT the custom recovery so that when I flash it, it is the actual stock ROM. I know this is quite hard to do but I'm sure it is doable one way or another.
Can someone please link me to a thread on step by step Rooting
and backing up my entire device
its my first android phone and took me a long time to install apps n games n contacts a backup would help me a lot.
kindly help thank u
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Can someone please link me to a thread on step by step Rooting
and backing up my entire device
its my first android phone and took me a long time to install apps n games n contacts a backup would help me a lot.
kindly help thank u
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if you did a search of the forum or looked around the wildfire threads you'd easily find it... anyway here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=788776
to backup your rom you need to do a nandroid backup, to backup apps and data dl titanium backup
I know about nandroid. Don't you have to flash a custom recovery to use it? If so, then the original aim of preserving the ROM completely the way it is becomes broken, right?
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I know about nandroid. Don't you have to flash a custom recovery to use it? If so, then the original aim of preserving the ROM completely the way it is becomes broken, right?
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Nandroid backs up your original rom, there is no other way to back up without root... unless you use a ruu to return to stock
Aren't RUUs a bit risky to use?
Yes if you use the wrong one. But rooting and flashing a custom rom is not , very simple and not hard
Wildfire is also my first android phone but I easily learnt by reading and searching around the forum.
Noob question... If i install clockwork recovery and do a nand backup, will i be able to restore my phone, no matter what i do to it (software-wise) or can i still brick it?
Im new to rooting and mods and im looking for a way out of trouble if i screw things up.
once you are done with the rooting process, and have clockwork installed as your recovery - it is very very difficult to brick your phone.
if you are dealing with the standard roms here - there is almost no way you can really screw up, to a point where you can't just go back to a functioning nandroid backup.
for further security - i copy my nandroids backups to PC, so if the sdcard ever gets toasted or corrupted - I will still have a good recovery image.
From what I hear you gotta do something really really stupid to brick your phone. If anything I think it's the rooting process that can brick your phone since there's no nandroid yet or if you don't do a proper procedure during a rom flash. Unrevoked makes it painless and easy. I suggest running Ubuntu then rooting because I had trouble with windows. Follow the guides and you're set =)
Edit: Here's the guide I used. Very easy and painless. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=741824
really the only way i can see you bricking the phone is if you screw up flashing the recovery/radio or boot image.
Ok so if the power goes out when im flashing my phone its lost right? Even if i have my nand backup. And what about the warranty? If i flash back to my original backup and unroot, will anyone be able to tell i've been messing with my phone?
I don't know that "unrooting" is as easy as just removing the superuser app, and flashing back a stock recovery image. The best way to unroot - is to flash an RUU stock image (which includes the stock recovery, and unrooted system image)
you can find the stock at&t RUU from shipped-roms.com under "liberty"
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I don't know that "unrooting" is as easy as just removing the superuser app, and flashing back a stock recovery image. The best way to unroot - is to flash an RUU stock image (which includes the stock recovery, and unrooted system image)
you can find the stock at&t RUU from shipped-roms.com under "liberty"
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So dumbing this back down to superNoob level, you're saying that I could root my phone and then put it back the way it was later so that AT&T/HTC would be none the wiser?
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So dumbing this back down to superNoob level, you're saying that I could root my phone and then put it back the way it was later so that AT&T/HTC would be none the wiser?
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yes.... you can go back to the un-rooted state at any time.... it is quite easy... i have tested this... it took me about five minutes to un-root my phone with the HTC RUU ... everything was stock with all the dang bloat ware and no root .... i then re-rooted and put a nandroid back up on that i made just before un-rooting...
So I'm going to be getting a new phone here soon (the replacement is in the mail, the power button shorted out on this one) so I'm going to need to re-root and stuff. My question is kinda stupid. I'm assuming if I make a full backup of my phone right now and flash it on the new phone, it's not going to do the rooting stuff, right?
Like I said, stupid question but it's all software in my head so I wanna make sure before I go through the whole rooting process and such xP
If you backup is rooted, then when you restore it's also rooted.
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If you backup is rooted, then when you restore it's also rooted.
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Awesome! I thought I might have to go through the whole root process to make anything work. Thank you!!