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A Question For Everyone Here

Why have you chosen the Galaxy or why will you be choosing the Galaxy rather than the Evo? Is the better screen tech your primary reason?
I ask this after being an Evo owner over the past month and now currently testing (playing with) the iPhone 4. I loved the Evo but my unit was defective and so I'm considering getting a new one at the end of July (hoping new batches ship out then) or one of the SGS versions; Verizon, At&t and then T-Mobile in that order is what I'm in favor of as far as which SGS.

AshMa said:
Why have you chosen the Galaxy or why will you be choosing the Galaxy rather than the Evo? Is the better screen tech your primary reason?
I ask this after being an Evo owner over the past month and now currently testing (playing with) the iPhone 4. I loved the Evo but my unit was defective and so I'm considering getting a new one at the end of July (hoping new batches ship out then) or one of the SGS versions; Verizon, At&t and then T-Mobile in that order is what I'm in favor of as far as which SGS.
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Evo 3D power sux, SGS is better eot.

I can't use the EVO 4G because I'm in the UK and we don't have any CDMA networks. Otherwise, I would rather have the EVO 4G for its screen - the Galaxy S' has better contrast, but it has a PenTile matrix, meaning it doesn't have the full complement of the three RGB subpixels per pixel (it only has two), with consequences for sharpness.
For me, it's a decision between the Desire and the Galaxy S, both of which have AMOLED screens, so I can't avoid PenTile. The Galaxy S' screen is definitely better than the Desire's, though, and it also has a better GPU (and, it seems, CPU) and a proper multi-touch digitiser that doesn't get easily confused.

Mithent said:
I can't use the EVO 4G because I'm in the UK and we don't have any CDMA networks. Otherwise, I would rather have the EVO 4G for its screen - the Galaxy S' has better contrast, but it has a PenTile matrix, meaning it doesn't have the full complement of the three RGB subpixels per pixel (it only has two), with consequences for sharpness.
For me, it's a decision between the Desire and the Galaxy S, both of which have AMOLED screens, so I can't avoid PenTile. The Galaxy S' screen is definitely better than the Desire's, though, and it also has a better GPU (and, it seems, CPU) and a proper multi-touch digitiser that doesn't get easily confused.
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Thanks for your input guys! Since you mention the screens, how about the Evo only having 16bit 65K color?

I have yet to choose a new phone but I dumped the EVO after two weeks for three reasons. The 30fps cap, the purple tint, and most importantly the screen only displays 65k colors.
These three were together made me take the phone back.

Supermighty said:
I have yet to choose a new phone but I dumped the EVO after two weeks for three reasons. The 30fps cap, the purple tint, and most importantly the screen only displays 65k colors.
These three were together made me take the phone back.
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All a bit confusing about the Evo now that I look into it bit. Take a look at this post claiming that it's not 16bit: http://androidforums.com/htc-evo-4g...-million-both-phones-199-a-3.html#post1091681
I'm waiting to have my launch day Evo returned to Radio Shack (manager is trying to get me in past the 30 day mark with his Sprint rep). I thought the screen was beautiful and just had issues with the screen raising and a few others build issues.
I need to touch the Galaxy before I know for sure. The Droid X could have been good but the large bump on the back and that ugly 80's camera flash remind me of how ugly I thought the first Droid keyboard was. I'm sure we have a lot of slick devices coming out later this year but it's already a tough call for what to have right now.......

AshMa said:
... The Droid X could have been good but the large bump on the back and that ugly 80's camera flash remind me of how ugly I thought the first Droid keyboard was.......
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Yep, I don't understand how Moto can keep making such butt-ugly phones. Between the ugly Moto design and the ugly Verizon branding, the Droid X is a phone only a true nerd can love

I had a google nexus, which hardware-wise is pretty simillar to the evo.
The snapdragon processor is pretty good, but samsung's hummingbird is better (and is produced at 45nm, less power consumption)
The real tie-breaker for me was the GPU.
The Adreno200 in the snapdragon SOC is pretty weak, if i need to put it in proportions, the SGX540 in the Galaxy S is around 3 times stronger, possibly even a bit more.
Screen- while the evo's screen is sharper (on paper), 65k colors and low contrast ratio wipe that advantage completely. The difference is just too big.
Now the most important point- the evo is a real battery -hogging monster, it can barely last for a day and a half in very moderate use, while the SGS can probably last for twice the time under the same use.
I'm not too a fan of dragging around chargers and backup batteries, don't know about you.
I'd turn my eyes over to the droid X, better hardware (TI OMAP 1GHZ+SGX530>Qualcomm Snapdragon, any day), better battery time, probably a better camera as well. Motorla made a nice comeback.
I'd make the prime options the Epic 4G or Droid X.

MacGuy2006 said:
the Droid X is a phone only a true nerd can love
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Right!!!! When Moto made the Razor they got it all right in the looks dept.....now they keep bringing us boring/ugly styling one after another.
Pika007 said:
I had a google nexus, which hardware-wise is pretty simillar to the evo.
The snapdragon processor is pretty good, but samsung's hummingbird is better (and is produced at 45nm, less power consumption)
The real tie-breaker for me was the GPU.
The Adreno200 in the snapdragon SOC is pretty weak, if i need to put it in proportions, the SGX540 in the Galaxy S is around 3 times stronger, possibly even a bit more.
Screen- while the evo's screen is sharper (on paper), 65k colors and low contrast ratio wipe that advantage completely. The difference is just too big.
Now the most important point- the evo is a real battery -hogging monster, it can barely last for a day and a half in very moderate use, while the SGS can probably last for twice the time under the same use.
I'm not too a fan of dragging around chargers and backup batteries, don't know about you.
I'd turn my eyes over to the droid X, better hardware (TI OMAP 1GHZ+SGX530>Qualcomm Snapdragon, any day), better battery time, probably a better camera as well. Motorla made a nice comeback.
I'd make the prime options the Epic 4G or Droid X.
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I see your points seem valid to me. But personally I think the Epic is too thick with the keyboard (plus Swype is all the typing speed I need in my pocket). If the Epic came without the keyboard and if the screen really is that great; I'd be down to deciding between it and the iPhone because Sprint service with the Evo for me has been wonderful unlike this stupid At&t on the iPhone.
We all seem to get so focused on the specs that may not matter all that much? I mean these are phones and not desktops of say 15 years ago when we would research the heck out of a purchase because we knew we were going to keep it for at least 2, 3 or more years........
Anyhow, I really just don't see the bad in the Evo display I have and it's right here being matched up to my iPhone 4. I'm going to do something that no tech blogs ever seem to do. I'm going to load up both these phones, with the exact same high res images and then see how they look to me. Wish I could test the Galaxy along with these two phones, but I will have returned the Evo by the time I get my hands on a galaxy........

Because im not on sprint
And even if i were still on sprint i wouldnt take evo because of the poor battery life as well as the inferior screen quality.

Why are we focused on specs?
We want games to work on our newly-bought super-high-end phone. That's all.
At first there were the HTC devices with a qualcomm MSM7XXX. OK cpu, weak gpu.
Then came along the droid/milestone. ok cpu, ok+ gpu.
Then the wave of snapdragon devices- Very strong cpu, weak gpu.
We all waited for a balanced solution that will let us have a strong cpu and gpu, with android.
Untill the galaxy S, Droid X and Milestone XT720 come along, the iphone was the only balanced device.
About the displays- it's not that the evo display is bad. It's just that both the samsung and the galaxy s are way better. The first time i loaded a high-res video to my galaxy s side by side with my brother's milestone (which is regarded as a device with a very good screen by itself), my mind was blown. The difference is as clear as day.
I can say this with confidence-
Sharpness is overrated. We are talking about 3-4" screens here, not home 50" displays. As soon as 640X360 resolution over 3.5" was passed, the matter started to become pretty ridiculous. You need a 10X magnification to actually see pixels, i doubt your eyes have that.
On the other hand, be it a 1000" screen or a 1" screen, the difference in contrast/colors in general is always visible.
It might not be the "sharpest" screen around, but it is clearly the display with best colors around.
For someone who uses his phone as a media player a lot, this was VERY important to me.

BuddyLee said:
Because im not on sprint
And even if i were still on sprint i wouldnt take evo because of the poor battery life as well as the inferior screen quality.
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That's what I forgot in my last post; are you guys saying that the SGS has much better battery life than the Evo??? From all the comments on the thread here about first thoughts, it seems that folks aren't doing any better.
On the Evo board, I see all the same types of comments and the same range as I do here. Some Evo owners say they can't make it a day and some say they can make it a day and a half and even 3 days, after make half a dozen changes to the device. I know what my Evo battery life has been like and it's not anywhere near as good as this iPhone I'm trying out or even as good as my HD2 was. So I do have a feeling that I'll try the Galaxy and come right back to this board, asking about how to get better battery life.

I just love this device the screen is awesome!!
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Pika007 said:
Why are we focused on specs?
We want games to work on our newly-bought super-high-end phone. That's all.
At first there were the HTC devices with a qualcomm MSM7XXX. OK cpu, weak gpu.
Then came along the droid/milestone. ok cpu, ok+ gpu.
Then the wave of snapdragon devices- Very strong cpu, weak gpu.
We all waited for a balanced solution that will let us have a strong cpu and gpu, with android.
Untill the galaxy S, Droid X and Milestone XT720 come along, the iphone was the only balanced device.
About the displays- it's not that the evo display is bad. It's just that both the samsung and the galaxy s are way better. The first time i loaded a high-res video to my galaxy s side by side with my brother's milestone (which is regarded as a device with a very good screen by itself), my mind was blown. The difference is as clear as day.
I can say this with confidence-
Sharpness is overrated. We are talking about 3-4" screens here, not home 50" displays. As soon as 640X360 resolution over 3.5" was passed, the matter started to become pretty ridiculous. You need a 10X magnification to actually see pixels, i doubt your eyes have that.
On the other hand, be it a 1000" screen or a 1" screen, the difference in contrast/colors in general is always visible.
It might not be the "sharpest" screen around, but it is clearly the display with best colors around.
For someone who uses his phone as a media player a lot, this was VERY important to me.
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I see where you're coming from! I love games and I tried NOVA on the iPhone 4 two days ago and I was blown away. But I'm just not into gaming on phones and without real controls even if I had the time to play games as often as I'd like to, it just doesn't appeal to me much.
My HD2 came with transformers and I loaded it onto the Evo's sd card. I am a filmmaker and all I can say is that it looked and played perfectly on the Evo. I've heard people say that they watched films on the Evo with terrible results and all I have to say is that any device needs to have the right video format type and bitrate for a specific device (the right encoding app and settings makes all the difference).
I have no doubt the the SGS display is one of the very best if not the very best (it or the iPhone display). BTW' You might want to take a look at this smartphone display review: http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2365915,00.asp
I had not thought of it until I started reading about it here. I'm talking about text not being as clear on the SGS screens. Again, I guess I won't know what these comments are about, until I get to try this phone myself. Some folks say it's a big deal and then others say it's not. Also I guess that has something to do with the "screen door" effect of the SGS display tech?
I guess what I meant about specs was that if any phone can do everything you want it to today and do it well, then that's about all that matters. rather than seeking out the best specs for some type of future proofing that just doesn't make much sense in regards to how quickly phone tech is advancing and how xda folks like us, are going to keep upgrading sooner rather than later. An Example would be people who worry about a phone not having 4G LTE radios now, even though by the time the towers are all in place, those same people, will be moving on to a new phone.

JosipR said:
I just love this device the screen is awesome!!
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Are you having any speed issues and how is your battery life treating you? Also would you say text is as sharp as on other high-end devices?

We being non US does not have the EVO 4G to play with but I have been using a Desire for the last 2 months. The reason why I swapped to the SGS is mainly because of the multitouch screen issue with HTC. Typing with SGS is even better than the iphone which, love it or hate it, were the best in terms of virtual keyboard. However I am disappointed with the speed so far, especially with emails. Hopefully the next firmware address those issues.

veej said:
We being non US does not have the EVO 4G to play with but I have been using a Desire for the last 2 months. The reason why I swapped to the SGS is mainly because of the multitouch screen issue with HTC. Typing with SGS is even better than the iphone which, love it or hate it, were the best in terms of virtual keyboard. However I am disappointed with the speed so far, especially with emails. Hopefully the next firmware address those issues.
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After using the iPhone 4 keyboard a lot in the last few days I would have to say yes it is the best tap type touch keyboard. Something about it and I assume the screen tech, make it very good. But the hands down best touch keyboard is Swype hands down which is not on iOS yet. Also the HTC keyboard is also very nice on it's own but also having the voice button on the keyboard is really nice (not sure if the SGS has that as well).
Oh and thanks; I was forgetting about the fact that the rest of the world got the SGS first but no Evo. Sometimes we silly Americans behave as if we are the world.

Pika007 said:
It might not be the "sharpest" screen around, but it is clearly the display with best colors around.
For someone who uses his phone as a media player a lot, this was VERY important to me.
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It's a matter of different priorities, yes: the great majority of what I do on my phone is read or write text, so having nice crisp text is important to me. I remember being amazed by how great the text looked on my first 640x480 PDA with ClearType. Conversely, I rarely watch video or look at photos on my phone.
The decision's pretty much taken out of my hands if I want a high-end Android phone in the UK. I would love the iPhone 4's display though.

I feel stupid....did I make a mistake buying the N1?

I bought the N1 and its on it way, I was really happy and that was my final choice, until today I was checking out the Euro Version of the Galaxy S and it has 1900 mhz 3g which is used in my Area! I could have bought that and had a bigger/better screen, Better Processor, Better Camera, and Design (subjective).
I do like the N1 dont get me wrong but that Super Amoled Screen is mouth watering lol

solidkevin said:
I bought the N1 and its on it way, I was really happy and that was my final choice, until today I was checking out the Euro Version of the Galaxy S and it has 1900 mhz 3g which is used in my Area! I could have bought that and had a bigger/better screen, Better Processor, Better Camera, and Design (subjective).
I do like the N1 dont get me wrong but that Super Amoled Screen is mouth watering lol
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Unless you bought it on eBay etc, you could just return it.
Also, Galaxy S = no camera flash (absurd), Android 2.1 (2.2 in 4+ months), and a crappy skin on it.

Yea I bought on eBay, Im sure its not a Big Deal, the N1 is a fantastic phone, I love it, but I just think the Galaxy S looks really nice! Haven't used one though.

solidkevin said:
Yea I bought on eBay, Im sure its not a Big Deal, the N1 is a fantastic phone, I love it, but I just think the Galaxy S looks really nice! Haven't used one though.
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I have used both, and while the Galaxy is a very nice phone, I can honestly say theres no way I would trade my Nexus One for a Galaxy S.

i wouldnt worry as much as you are. the nexus has a lot of advantages that the galaxy S does not. google updates, colored trackball, unlock bootloader, camera flash, superb build quality and materials and feel in comparison to the lightweight plasticky galaxy s, etc.

Thanks guys! Im sure the GS Is very nice but the N1 does indeed own!

ive actually been considering a galaxy s also and luckily my friend picked up one with his new contract a few days ago. after playing it with, i can tell you both are nice phones and you cant go wrong either way.
ive had my n1 for several months now so i have experienced many of the bugs the n1 has such as in rare cases, the n1 will send a text message to the wrong person (thought i did something wrong the one time it happened to but apparently its a bug; i text a lot too). i agree with the other poster in the feel of the n1 is better than all the other phones i have held and is only beaten by the new iphone.
my friend has the samsung vibrant, and for some reason, it doesnt have flash so if taking night pictures is a big deal for you, the n1 wins. however, i felt the the vibrant took better day pictures. the vibrant also has a night mode that is better than the other phones i have had, but is no replacement for flash. the same applies to video recording, vibrant wins during the day in both video and sound recording, and n1 wins in recording in dark places.
if gaming is a big deal for you, the galaxy s is the winner. i was playing psx4droid on the vibrant and although i didnt notice any speed improvements over the n1, i can tell you the vibrant supports at least a 3 finger multitouch, over the n1's 2.
one of the biggest flaws i felt the n1 had is the speaker. i am constantly missing calls and the quality is pretty bad, but somehow samsung managed to put in a worse speaker, or at least i thought so

Yeah, I don't think the Galaxy S is superior, more like on the same class.
Galaxy S has a better screen (larger, brighter) and more internal storage but no led notification, most likely no updates past 2.2, no camera flash. CPU is about equivalent. N1 seems better built. I just got my N1 two weeks ago and was also considering the Galaxy S but stock Android was what sold me on the N1.

It doesn't matter if the Galaxy S is better or not, a better phone will come along and surpass both phones. If you're not happy with the Nexus One now, you're not gonna be happy when every new big phone comes out.

Jep4444 said:
It doesn't matter if the Galaxy S is better or not, a better phone will come along and surpass both phones. If you're not happy with the Nexus One now, you're not gonna be happy when every new big phone comes out.
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Yup, but in six months when N1 is rocking android 3.0 and GS still has 2.1/2.2 you'd be much happier with a N1.

solidkevin said:
I bought the N1 and its on it way, I was really happy and that was my final choice, until today I was checking out the Euro Version of the Galaxy S and it has 1900 mhz 3g which is used in my Area! I could have bought that and had a bigger/better screen, Better Processor, Better Camera, and Design (subjective).
I do like the N1 dont get me wrong but that Super Amoled Screen is mouth watering lol
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The N1 might be out shined in a few of those areas, but like others have mentioned, it will be the first to get Gingerbread. The Galaxy S probably never will. Samsung is going to expect you to purchase a new phone for 3.0 instead.

blablum said:
Yup, but in six months when N1 is rocking android 3.0 and GS still has 2.1/2.2 you'd be much happier with a N1.
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Ya but shortly after that, something else will come out running 3.0 that's better than the N1, its a continual cycle. I'm just happy that the N1 is an awesome phone in itself, another phone may be better but it shouldn't take anything away from what I can do with mine.

Jep4444 said:
Ya but shortly after that, something else will come out running 3.0 that's better than the N1, its a continual cycle. I'm just happy that the N1 is an awesome phone in itself, another phone may be better but it shouldn't take anything away from what I can do with mine.
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You are right, and I agree. My point is, in six months he might not be ready to get a new phone yet (like I know will be my case), and in that case it is better to have a N1 over the GS. That was my reasoning choosing the N1. Of course, there might be unofficial 3.0 roms available for both phones, so maybe it will be a non issue at all for the OP.

I agree. N1 has its own unique speciality. Galaxy S is better in may way (because it came out later) but Nexus One can be modified easily and there are a lot of developers for it so that u can customize it to ur liking

Everything on the nexus is awesome .. it's just the touch screen.. multitouch doesn't work well on games and emulators.. but other than that it's an awesome receiving all the love
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I actually got my Nexus one recently and I'm fortunate that living in England pretty much all android devices are available.
I went there knowing the Galaxy S for instance can easily outperform the Nexus in most areas, especially in graphical terms.
I had a play with the Galaxy and two things struck me between that and the Nexus, I felt the Galaxy is too big and not easily pocketable and the 2nd was it just didn't feel like a precision bit of kit like the Nexus.
The Nexus just feels like it's in the top class when it comes to design and the Galaxy less so.
For me it's a no brainer, proper camera, beautiful device and it doesn't get all of the custom stuff over the top.

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I am contemplating selling my nexus one and getting a galaxy s. I would be sad to lose the trackball wake and led flashlight that my fine rooted nexus brings, but I am tired of struggling to use my phone in the sunlight, and would be happy to have a more responsive screen and better GPU.

I had the Galaxy and it doesn't even compare to the quality of the Nexus one. The Nexus One is the best built device still today. The quality build is 2nd to none and the looks are just killer. I think the 3.7 inch screen is the best size for a phone. Go Nexus One. The only thing better may be the Nexus Two.

^ Well said! The Galaxy is not in the same league as the Nexus! Even though I do like the name

galaxys said:
^ Well said! The Galaxy is not in the same league as the Nexus! Even though I do like the name
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Keep tellin' yourself that if it makes you feel better.
A friend has the tmo version. It is very nice. Smooth video recording with audio that is significantly better. No flash? As if the n1 camera and flash is anything to crow about. Lol. Photos don't have purple blobs in the middle on the vibrant.
But it was the video he got out of it that impressed me the most.
The n1 does feel better built.
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2.3 Announced, SDK Released

Video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jx3pdWBlZ34&feature=player_embedded
SDK:
http://developer.android.com/sdk/android-2.3.html
Here's hoping we get some ROM's soon!
Nexus S:
http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2010/12/introducing-nexus-s-with-gingerbread.html
"Nexus S is the first smartphone to feature a 4” Contour Display designed to fit comfortably in the palm of your hand and along the side of your face. It also features a 1GHz Hummingbird processor, front and rear facing cameras, 16GB of internal memory, and NFC (near field communication) hardware that lets you read information from NFC tags..."
The phone is pretty much a Vibrant with a front camera and NFC. Hopefully we can get some drivers for the new BT, WIFI and GPS.

Now, we wait for Samsung to begin releasing source for the galaxy s platform, right?
Since 2.2 has gone so slow for the Vibrant, I wonder how long we'll have to wait.

Video of the advertisement for the NS:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxUXulxE5o0&feature=player_embedded#at=53
Look at the camera layout, same as the Galaxy S. I don't know. I have a feeling we're gonna have a good port.

^ I got that same good feeling.

^ I just feel that same tingling goodness for port. Can feel how TW, Eugene, and other devs are getting ready.

http://www.google.com/phone/compare/?phone=samsung-vibrant-a-galaxy-s-phone&phone=nexus-s
Comparison Chart.
It's the same damn phone, lol.
I hope getting the BT/WIFI/GPS to work isn't an issue. If we can get CM, Eugene or TW to get a stock GB port, I'd be in heaven.

I was just about to post the same link, ha
http://www.google.com/phone/compare/?phone=nexus-s&phone=samsung-vibrant-a-galaxy-s-phone

Great minds think alike. Speaking of great minds, I hope some of the devs are around to see this. Those guys move fast.
I'm pretty sure since CM likes Dev phones, once the NS goes on sale he will work on it and whatever he does with that is likely to get pushed to us.
Eugene is fast though, I'm sure he already built a ROM for it!

Wow to 2.3.
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Koush I know has already ordered one, per a tweet. Team douche may not be able to keep their hands off this samsung.

I notice on the tech specs it doesn't even record 720p video? I guess it'll be easily hackable to do it, but still...
If it's just a vibrant with a working GPS, FFC, and LED flash, I'm all over it lol.
Is the AMOLED screen the same? (As in... pentile RGBG matrix?) That's the only thing that would hold me back...ugh.

dinan said:
Is the AMOLED screen the same? (As in... pentile RGBG matrix?) That's the only thing that would hold me back...ugh.
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According to engadget it has a 4-inch WVGA display...

Does the S not have an sd card slot? Very.. Very odd.
,Alright time for samsung to release some freaking code.

The phone is quite a let down, but this is necessary. Google needs to use devices that have specs in the wild. Coding on a phone with a dual 1.2 GHz processor with next gen GPU and tons of RAM would only make for an OS that is expensive to build phones for, and an OS that cannot be easily backported to older/supported devices.
That being said, I'm not touching it. Too bad it's not Moto or HTC. Samsung is out, AFAIC.
Apple is about to refresh the iPad, so Android Tablet will face tough competition there.
With the release of WP7, and the patch coming up, Android phone manufacturers are going to start facing stiff competition from low-cost builders like Acer, etc. for the phones, especially since those phones do not require anything near the in-house developer work that Android phones need. They need to start standardizing the hardware better so that the end-user experience is better (update, etc.) and the the performance and developer experience can compare to that of WP7 and iOS.

dinan said:
I notice on the tech specs it doesn't even record 720p video? I guess it'll be easily hackable to do it, but still...
If it's just a vibrant with a working GPS, FFC, and LED flash, I'm all over it lol.
Is the AMOLED screen the same? (As in... pentile RGBG matrix?) That's the only thing that would hold me back...ugh.
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I don't see anything wrong with the Vibrant's screen. Responsive, sexy, sleek.

Don't get me wrong, I like the Vibrant screen a lot. The ONLY gripe I have with it is the pentile matrix, which makes text look grainy/fuzzy compared to normal LCDs. It's not an AMOLED thing, it's their decision of RGBG instead of RGB for each pixel (technically RGBG is 2 pixels). The Nexus One has the same type of thing, but the screen is 3.7" so it's not as noticeable. On a 4" screen it's much more pronounced... I suggest you don't compare text to an iPhone or MT4G so you don't get annoyed when you see what I'm talking about =)
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I don't see anything wrong with the Vibrant's screen. Responsive, sexy, sleek.
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S doesn't have an SD. With built in Apps2SD, I guess they felt they didn't need it. 16GB is a lot of space.
::shrug::
I'm not getting the S. I was going to if it was dual core but there is no need to now. My Vibrant will morph into a Nexus S shortly...

dinan said:
Don't get me wrong, I like the Vibrant screen a lot. The ONLY gripe I have with it is the pentile matrix, which makes text look grainy/fuzzy compared to normal LCDs. It's not an AMOLED thing, it's their decision of RGBG instead of RGB for each pixel (technically RGBG is 2 pixels)
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Ah, I only notice that once in a while. I have bad eyesight anyway!

2.3 focus is on games and multimedia. I can't wait to see the Apps and games!

here is the link to the nexus s...
http://www.google.com/nexus/#!/features
the phone is sexy but sucks i cant get it at tmobile stores. cause my upgrade isnt due till october of next year. i dont think best buy would let me upgrade early.

[Q] Atrix vs. Infuse

I'm due for an upgrade at the end of July. I cannot decide whether to go for the Atrix or the Infuse. They're just about dead even for me.
Atrix Pros:
-Dual Core CPU
-GeForce GPU
-Fingerprint Scanner
-Motoblur > Touchwiz 3 (IMO) (of course I'd do LauncherPro/ADW, but still)
-qHD Resolution
Infuse Pros:
-GORGEOUS Super AMOLED Plus screen (I am pretty much in love with AMOLED)
-0.5 extra inches of screen real estate
-HSUPA isn't disabled
-Sideloading isn't disabled (but I'd probably root and lagfix anyway)
-I have huge hands
Basically, the Atrix has more horsepower, but the Infuse has more eye candy and network speed. I'm not sure which is the better trade-off. I'm a power user for sure, but I just can't get over AMOLED. Does anyone care to sway me one way or the other?
Of course, if the US gets the Galaxy S II by July then this is irrelevant.
Sorry if this has been posted a bagillion and five times.

US is getting galaxy sII in July so there's no point
Anyway to answer you before this gets locked, I say get the atrix. The resolution upgrade is awesome. Not only that but when we get custom roms, this beast will finally be freed.
But if you love the SAMOLED then just get the infuse. In everyday usage I doubt you'll notice the difference.
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Well.... i went from an iPhone 4 to an Atrix... and i absolutely love it. I keep thinking about swinging by an AT&T store to check out the Infuse.... but i doubt it'd be tempting to me.
Reasons i like the Atrix:
1) the already mentioned dual-core... which i'm pretty sure will be a requirement in some Android versions... and a little bit of future-proofing never hurt anybody
2) 1GB RAM.... which i don't think many other phones have.... if any, really. (other than the SGS2)
3) fingerprint reader. Yes, it can be finicky at times, but at least your phone can't be cracked into by, say, figuring out a pattern that the oils of your skin have nicely smudged across your screen for you.
4) the also mentioned NVidia chipset. I don't do a lot of gaming on my phone... but hey.... just a little more future-proofing i guess.
Things i'm not sure of with the Infuse:
1) Super AMOLED. I know... they're quite nice screens.... but i also hear the colors are extremely vivid... which might not necessarily be the greatest thing.
2) screen size. Yes, it's only another half inch... and yes, we may have large hands... but pocketability is my concern. An extra half inch can do wonders to a pocket.
Two things i'd like to correct in your Pros/Cons... HSUPA has been enabled for the Atrix (and reviews of the Infuse i've seen don't really show much difference from what many still see with the Atrix. Sometimes nice speeds.... sometimes sh*t speeds), and supposedly sideloading could be allowed by AT&T in the near future.
The Galaxy S2 might be worthwhile... but i dunno. Would have been nice had they gone with the NVidia chipset... but maybe they figured it would generate too much heat for an extremely thin phone? Not saying the Atrix is a beast size-wise... but i'm pretty sure it's thicker than the SGS2.

Futureproofing is something I didn't really think of. The Dual-Core, though zippy now, has even more room to grow with Gingerbread updates. And considering Samsung's track record with updates, the Atrix will go a lot farther.
The Atrix probably will be my choice unless the screen difference is just that huge.
And I sure do hope the GS2 comes in July.

yea... a friend of mine has the original Motorola Droid on Verizon. He thought about getting the Thunderbolt, but figured it didn't make sense to upgrade to another single-core phone when dual-core phones on Verizon are just around the bend.
And like i said... not entirely sure about the screen, since i haven't actually taken the time to look at a Super AMOLED screen, let alone both side-by-side.... but i quite like the Atrix's screen, even though it is a pentile matrix screen.... mostly because the downside to pentile matrix is only really that noticable if you frequently use 100% brightness or are constantly an inch or a few from your phone's screen.

Your posting in the atrix forum...what answer do you expect
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elementaldragon said:
mostly because the downside to pentile matrix is only really that noticable if you frequently use 100% brightness or are constantly an inch or a few from your phone's screen.
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Definitely not true...
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I have been using Atrix for a while now, have to say that even with a huge battery the back up is not great. Bootloader is locked which means no custom goodies. Finger print reader is buggy and slow and irritating. You can not turn off 4g, which takes a lot of battery. Can not turn off haptic feedback etc etc etc .
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Wow.... who'd have seen that coming. Another person complaining about the bootloader. Haven't really noticed any issues with the fingerprint reader either, other than when i try to swipe too fast and it doesn't quite get a good read... which is kinda expected. And i may be mistaken.... but can't you turn off 4g/HSPA+ by just choosing a different APN in the mobile network settings? Such as to AT&T US instead of the default AT&T US HSDPA?
eallan: how you figure? I didn't even really know wtf people were complaining about with pentile matrix displays til i actually turned the brightness up to 100% on my Atrix, and even then it's not really a "Hey, that shouldn't be like that" moment.

Extra real estate should be a con lol
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I am also unsure as to which one to go with. I am still using a sammy omnia II and was wondering if the new screen on the infuse is better in the sun than the older omnia II also which is better in the bright sun the atrix or infuse that. Also works betted as a phone, the atrix or infuse??

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I am also unsure as to which one to go with. I am still using a sammy omnia II and was wondering if the new screen on the infuse is better in the sun than the older omnia II also which is better in the bright sun the atrix or infuse that. Also works betted as a phone, the atrix or infuse??
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On you tube it is seen the the qhd
Display is much more visible in direct sun light then SAMOLED+ Display atrix has a better loud speaker a much more superior GPS I tried the infuse it has the same gps problem I seen on.my old cappy
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Wow.... who'd have seen that coming. Another person complaining about the bootloader. Haven't really noticed any issues with the fingerprint reader either, other than when i try to swipe too fast and it doesn't quite get a good read... which is kinda expected. And i may be mistaken.... but can't you turn off 4g/HSPA+ by just choosing a different APN in the mobile network settings? Such as to AT&T US instead of the default AT&T US HSDPA?
eallan: how you figure? I didn't even really know wtf people were complaining about with pentile matrix displays til i actually turned the brightness up to 100% on my Atrix, and even then it's not really a "Hey, that shouldn't be like that" moment.
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Yeah another person. Maybe Motorola should take a hint. Its is big fat CON of the device.
All you have to look at to see the pentile is any color straight line. Especially green. The fact that its a rgbw layout instead of a rgbg layout makes text on white look much better though.
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I am also unsure as to which one to go with. I am still using a sammy omnia II and was wondering if the new screen on the infuse is better in the sun than the older omnia II also which is better in the bright sun the atrix or infuse that. Also works betted as a phone, the atrix or infuse??
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I haven't noticed either phone having an advantage in call quality.
The screen is incredible on the infuse. Beats the hell out of the atrix
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I took the time to mess with the Infuse today. Can't really vouch for the whole visibility in direct sunlight bit.... but i will say two things about it. It is nice... but i still don't like the way it looks. Pentile may not be the greatest display.... but neither is a fantastic Super AMOLED+ with extremely vivid colors. I was looking at both the Infuse and Atrix side by side... trying to get a comparison of the color quality.... and to be honest i prefer the Atrix's. Yeah, it may not be quite top-notch... but i'd rather have slightly less fantastic than over-the-top vivid. Tried to compare the icons... but couldn't. For one, Samsung uses their own custom ones.... and two, what you'd expect to be a decent red would be like a fire engine red. What you'd expect to be a nice mellow blue tone looks like cobalt blue. Think they need to stray away from Xbox-ification. Upping the shinyness doesn't always make something better.
Other than that, it actually seemed to be fairly laggy just pacing back and forth through the default home screens that were on the one at my local AT&T. And i don't mean the "laggy" that people say the Atrix is (which i fail to see).... i mean like you'd move your finger, and depending what's on the screen, it could take two seconds or so for it to actually flip screens.

Having used both I'd wait as you're waiting til July. There will be other choices like the Thrill as well as possibly a SGS2.

elementaldragon said:
I took the time to mess with the Infuse today. Can't really vouch for the whole visibility in direct sunlight bit.... but i will say two things about it. It is nice... but i still don't like the way it looks. Pentile may not be the greatest display.... but neither is a fantastic Super AMOLED+ with extremely vivid colors. I was looking at both the Infuse and Atrix side by side... trying to get a comparison of the color quality.... and to be honest i prefer the Atrix's. Yeah, it may not be quite top-notch... but i'd rather have slightly less fantastic than over-the-top vivid. Tried to compare the icons... but couldn't. For one, Samsung uses their own custom ones.... and two, what you'd expect to be a decent red would be like a fire engine red. What you'd expect to be a nice mellow blue tone looks like cobalt blue. Think they need to stray away from Xbox-ification. Upping the shinyness doesn't always make something better.
Other than that, it actually seemed to be fairly laggy just pacing back and forth through the default home screens that were on the one at my local AT&T. And i don't mean the "laggy" that people say the Atrix is (which i fail to see).... i mean like you'd move your finger, and depending what's on the screen, it could take two seconds or so for it to actually flip screens.
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The icons don't have a background on the homescreen or custom launcher. I also couldn't disagree with your screen assessment any more.
The atrix colors are ok. The viewing angles are terrible however. Blacks are bright!
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someone at work had the infuse today. too big and i seriously dont understand what the fuss is all about with regards to super amoled +. Its nice, but too cartoony. Cant go back to anything less than what the atrix has.

i have had the atrix for a couple of months. Bought SGS2 last week and IT IS GETTING RETURNED!
When compared to Atrix: Battery is awful, GPS is poor, sound is poor and it wont make it for more than 4 hours on a charge. I assume the Infuse is going to be similar.

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i have had the atrix for a couple of months. Bought SGS2 last week and IT IS GETTING RETURNED!
When compared to Atrix: Battery is awful, GPS is poor, sound is poor and it wont make it for more than 4 hours on a charge. I assume the Infuse is going to be similar.
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4 hours on a charge? Come on man... That's ridiculous. No one is only getting 4 hours without doing something massively wrong.

Hardware optimization.

Why does everyone give HTC so much credit for not challenging themselves? They make a midgrade product and optimize it while their users thumb their noses at a company that may make a product that is overly ready for the software that's out. Should it be Samsung's fault for raising the bar or Google's fault for not meeting them? Should Samsung start lowering their standard so they can meet market demand for more updates? I find there are a bunch of conflicting business models here.

Software compatibility and hardware aren't always the same. We bought the epic [those of us who know our ass from our hands] bc it had the right hardware to stand the test of time which in the cell phone world means at least 2 years. Its all that can be expected. The rest is hope....
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qhd display, dual 1.2 ghz cpu and 1gig of ram is not good enough?
did samsung push themselves when they made the transform?
how about the continuum?
What about the infuse and charge?
Samsung vibrant 4G
how about the nexus S?
I thought this was suppose to be the showcase of what phones are to become but samsung dropped the ball on this one. It is nothing more then a downgraded epic! It should of at least had the 4.3" super AMOLED plus screen and have a dual core processor. Then googled might of optimized their future software on samsung specs which would of made more manufacture buy more samsung components.
No notification LED no SD card slot and you in love with samsung?
The only galaxy series phone that had everything was the epic. It had the best feel of quality, there other ones do feel cheap. It has flash, it has a front camera and it has a keyboard which I wish sprint had one without. Let just say sprint did great because I wouldn't of brought this if it didn't have a LED flash or front facing camera. Keyboard was just extra cheese on my cheese pizza.
I brought the epic because it had the best hardware during that time, now i would buy the evo3d because it would have the best hardware if i had to get a phone now.
an optimized 4 cylinder engine is better then a sloppy 6 cylinder. And this is what the epic feels like with the GPS, compass and keyboard issue, a sloppy 6 cylinder engine. It is minor problems and can be fixed through software updates, its too bad samsung doesn't even think twice about products that has already been released.
Samsung should be building towards google future design. If samsung wanted google to design to their future proof hardware they should of designed a better nexus S.
The only company out there that should be praised for pushing the standard is Apple. That is tough for me to say but it is true. No company has gotten to apple's feel of quality (not to be confused with build quality), samsung next gen phone is still a bit thicker then apple's even with the OLED display and the next gen resolution display are still below apple's current resolutions.

pkny said:
qhd display, dual 1.2 ghz cpu and 1gig of ram is not good enough?
did samsung push themselves when they made the transform?
how about the continuum?
What about the infuse and charge?
Samsung vibrant 4G
how about the nexus S?
I thought this was suppose to be the showcase of what phones are to become but samsung dropped the ball on this one. It is nothing more then a downgraded epic! It should of at least had the 4.3" super AMOLED plus screen and have a dual core processor. Then googled might of optimized their future software on samsung specs which would of made more manufacture buy more samsung components.
No notification LED no SD card slot and you in love with samsung?
The only galaxy series phone that had everything was the epic. It had the best feel of quality, there other ones do feel cheap. It has flash, it has a front camera and it has a keyboard which I wish sprint had one without. Let just say sprint did great because I wouldn't of brought this if it didn't have a LED flash or front facing camera. Keyboard was just extra cheese on my cheese pizza.
I brought the epic because it had the best hardware during that time, now i would buy the evo3d because it would have the best hardware if i had to get a phone now.
an optimized 4 cylinder engine is better then a sloppy 6 cylinder. And this is what the epic feels like with the GPS, compass and keyboard issue, a sloppy 6 cylinder engine. It is minor problems and can be fixed through software updates, its too bad samsung doesn't even think twice about products that has already been released.
Samsung should be building towards google future design. If samsung wanted google to design to their future proof hardware they should of designed a better nexus S.
The only company out there that should be praised for pushing the standard is Apple. That is tough for me to say but it is true. No company has gotten to apple's feel of quality (not to be confused with build quality), samsung next gen phone is still a bit thicker then apple's even with the OLED display and the next gen resolution display are still below apple's current resolutions.
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Really? Because gingerbread was optimized for the hummingbird chip. And you seem to forget the nexus was debuted some months ago, not recently. And that the original evo had a much outdated snapdragon and a camera that couldn't stand up to ours even with more megapixels.
And you also seem to ignore the fact that there are some evo 3d's shipping with crooked screens.
CROOKED SCREENS
Yeh, that's reaaallll good quality right there.
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pkny said:
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The only company out there that should be praised for pushing the standard is Apple. That is tough for me to say but it is true. No company has gotten to apple's feel of quality (not to be confused with build quality), samsung next gen phone is still a bit thicker then apple's even with the OLED display and the next gen resolution display are still below apple's current resolutions.
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Just to point out, the Galaxy S II is actually thinner than the iPhone 4. The iPhone 4 is 9.3mm thick and the Galaxy S II is 8.49mm thick.. Now if you are talking about the bottom where the speaker is then you'd be right.

pkny said:
qhd display, dual 1.2 ghz cpu and 1gig of ram is not good enough?
did samsung push themselves when they made the transform?
how about the continuum?
What about the infuse and charge?
Samsung vibrant 4G
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um..the only devices that samsung themselves releases are the international ones..the customized ones you see in the states are at the request of carriers..
how about the nexus S?
I thought this was suppose to be the showcase of what phones are to become but samsung dropped the ball on this one. It is nothing more then a downgraded epic! It should of at least had the 4.3" super AMOLED plus screen and have a dual core processor. Then googled might of optimized their future software on samsung specs which would of made more manufacture buy more samsung components.
No notification LED no SD card slot and you in love with samsung?
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Again..all this was at Google's request..the point of the Nexus S project also includes giving every member of the alliance a chance to make hardware and every single cpu vendor have an os optimized for their cpus..one of the biggest goal of gingerbread was to make the optimization for the hummingbird processor.
The only galaxy series phone that had everything was the epic. It had the best feel of quality, there other ones do feel cheap. It has flash, it has a front camera and it has a keyboard which I wish sprint had one without. Let just say sprint did great because I wouldn't of brought this if it didn't have a LED flash or front facing camera. Keyboard was just extra cheese on my cheese pizza.
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All credit here goes to sprint actually for requesting it like that..not samsung...front facing camera is only thing that was in the original design.
I brought the epic because it had the best hardware during that time, now i would buy the evo3d because it would have the best hardware if i had to get a phone now.
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SGS2 has been out for a while..the international one works on AT&T bands too lol..so cant exactly say evo3d is best..maybe on sprint..
an optimized 4 cylinder engine is better then a sloppy 6 cylinder. And this is what the epic feels like with the GPS, compass and keyboard issue, a sloppy 6 cylinder engine. It is minor problems and can be fixed through software updates, its too bad samsung doesn't even think twice about products that has already been released.
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They are trying with the GPS last Ive seen..and I assure you grass is not greener on the other side..every manufacturer has some sort of issues..thats just how hardware is..
Samsung should be building towards google future design. If samsung wanted google to design to their future proof hardware they should of designed a better nexus S.
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Again, not the point of the Nexus S..the only standards Nexus S was meant to set was the NFC chip and attempt at curved display. All else is cpu optimization and the rest..it was not meant to set the bar for raw power.
The only company out there that should be praised for pushing the standard is Apple. That is tough for me to say but it is true. No company has gotten to apple's feel of quality (not to be confused with build quality), samsung next gen phone is still a bit thicker then apple's even with the OLED display and the next gen resolution display are still below apple's current resolutions.
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um...you just criticized samsung for not having of, notification leds and sd card...but apple doing it is ok? and in terms of specs and release dates SGS has better hardware then iphone 4...
And as stated sgs 2 is thinner..
See its not that apple sets a standard..its more so that Apple makes people believe that something is that way regardless of whether it is or not..
Psychology is very important and you will notice that 2 things can be viewed completely different based on it...

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Really? Because gingerbread was optimized for the hummingbird chip. And you seem to forget the nexus was debuted some months ago, not recently. And that the original evo had a much outdated snapdragon and a camera that couldn't stand up to ours even with more megapixels.
And you also seem to ignore the fact that there are some evo 3d's shipping with crooked screens.
CROOKED SCREENS
Yeh, that's reaaallll good quality right there.
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And i guess from the love from samsung that you read somewhere in my rant that the evo 3d had a better build quality? Please quote where i even stated that or even assumed it. So from this statement I did not have to state the crooked screen since i never said they were better or worse then samsung's quality in design.
The nexus S came out during the 1st Quarter of this year. They could of easily used the infuse or the charges hardware for the nexus S design or even delayed it for a month if they needed too. Why be like HTC and put in a outdated cpu?
Why are you arguing the fact that HTC did it and they are evil but samsung did it and they are ok. Nexus S should be the phone showing off the companies quality. There is a big reason why most of us stayed with our Epics even though we do not need the keyboard and would love to have a keyboardless epic.
Why are you ignoring that fact about that samsung also makes.
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Just to point out, the Galaxy S II is actually thinner than the iPhone 4. The iPhone 4 is 9.3mm thick and the Galaxy S II is 8.49mm thick.. Now if you are talking about the bottom where the speaker is then you'd be right.
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I haven't seen the 8.49mm depth before. Most sites are stating 9.9mm. Thanks for the clarification. This is the only phone i am looking forward too now. I just wish it had a higher resolution.

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I won't argue with you because I know that i would loose no matter how the planets align .
You right about every manufacture having hardware issues. This is the main reason I have 5 evos and 1 epic on my sprint account. The bad taste of the touch pro 2 still lingers. I just don't understand why people are knocking on the evo 3d when it is really considered a good phone and on top of that, its on sprint. Were all team sprint aren't we?
I do have to argue about apple setting the standard though. It took phone companies over a year to become as thin has apples phones. Samsung should of been thinner to begin with the nature of OLED screens being thinner.
Well i own 2 lots Apple stock so i might have to keep saying this until i sell it.

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I haven't seen the 8.49mm depth before. Most sites are stating 9.9mm. Thanks for the clarification. This is the only phone i am looking forward too now. I just wish it had a higher resolution.
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9.9mm is the size of the original sgs aka i9000, vibrant etc...SGS 2 is thinner..
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I won't argue with you because I know that i would loose no matter how the planets align .
You right about every manufacture having hardware issues. This is the main reason I have 5 evos and 1 epic on my sprint account. The bad taste of the touch pro 2 still lingers. I just don't understand why people are knocking on the evo 3d when it is really considered a good phone and on top of that, its on sprint. Were all team sprint aren't we?
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People are knocking it because they expected the Evo 3d to blow people away.when the original Evo came out there really was not much of a competitive market and people chose purely HTC...with that the Evo was the best specced HTC phone..this time around things are A LOT more competitive, you have LG, Motorola, Samsung and other players enter the market with products just as good if not better..
Also a lot of competition in the 4G sector makes wimax not very competitive..(sprint needs to go wimax enhanced already >.>)
I do have to argue about apple setting the standard though. It took phone companies over a year to become as thin has apples phones. Samsung should of been thinner to begin with the nature of OLED screens being thinner.
Well i own 2 lots Apple stock so i might have to keep saying this until i sell it.
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its kinda playing a catchup game sgs 2 will be thinner then my guess iphone 5 will be thinner then sgs 3 will be thinner...get it? there are more factors though that go into this then just the screen..for one that thinness could have been done if they took out the sd card port..but would we want that? Apple had to do sacrifices on the Antenna to accomplish that thinness at the time..so whether it was worth it or not is another story..at what point do we go.."this is thin enough" lol
btw apple actually increased thickness on white iphone 4...

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btw apple actually increased thickness on white iphone 4...
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No, they didn't. that was a fallacy. White and black iPhones have been measured side by side with micrometers on several sites disproving this.