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Samsung Saga 6.5??

No love for the Saga??

I love it... and check for news about once every two weeks. Haven't heard anything.

hello fellow IL person... im hoping for a 6.5 cooked rom

note... I posted a message over on PDAPhoneHome.com and everythingwm.com and then found this thread... since it is similar in nature to my questions, I thought I would reply to this one instead of starting a new thread.
Greetings fellow frustrated Saga owners!
Wish I hadn't updated…
I, like many of you, now wish that I had not installed the update on my Saga.
It worked great before!... But now I am experiencing many of the same bugs that have already been mentioned on this forum.
I am pretty tolerant of bugs in general and I don't mind trying to find workarounds for them. Often, the workarounds add more functionality then would normally be there anyway… Plus I enjoy learning how things work.
Biggest problem…
The one thing that I can't stand is the loss of signal strength I have seen since updating! My data connection dies several times per day and I have to soft reset to get it back. Sometimes it is hours before I realize this has happened so I am not always getting my email right away. (Who has time to check their phone every few minutes to see if it has stopped synching or not?)
Other times it seems like it just stops synching for no reason. I use both an exchange server (MailStreet) and Windows Live and they both have this problem. Sometimes I check my phone when I go on break at Noon and I will notice that it hasn't synched since 9:30 AM or sometimes longer than that, yet there is no error message (like it tried to synch and couldn't) and I open the browser and can get on the internet. It is like it doesn't even try to synch. I have both of them set to synch every 15 minutes (greatly increases battery life btw) 24 hours a day. Then there are other times, it synchs more often than every 15 minutes… so I don't know what is going on!
Getting worse?…
Is it just me or do the signal issues seem to be getting worse? Or maybe it is just in my area? This past week I have actually started getting errors saying that it couldn't connect (whereas before, it just wouldn't connect... no errors)... and it seems to be happening more frequently.
Finally… my question…
What I would like to know is if anyone is working on a "cooked" ROM for the Saga. Either 6.1 or 6.5 would work for me. I have heard some good things about 6.5 (like dramatically increased performance), but I haven't heard about anyone working on this for the Saga. Waiting for Verizon to come out with another update is just a lesson in frustration and honestly I am not sure I would trust it if they did release one.
I consider myself to be a pretty tech savvy person and even enjoy some light programming on occasion (the .net framework is awesome… Something Microsoft got right!!), yet I am reasonably certain that cooking up my own ROM is beyond my skills (though I am willing to give it a shot if someone can point me to a clear guide)
Follow-up question…
If no one is working on this and no helpful guide is available, then I am wondering if a ROM from a similar phone can be used (maybe with a few modifications required?). For instance, is the Epix similar enough that we could use a ROM designed for it on the Saga? (There is a 6.5 ROM for the Epix that can be found here) Or does the fact that its hardware is GSM only make it out of the question?
More questions…
If using a ROM from a similar phone is possible is there a way to backup the current ROM so that it could be restored if the other ROM doesn't work? If so then I would probably be willing to use my phone as a guinea pig. Yes, I understand that there is a possibility that it could brick my phone and I am willing to accept the risk if there is a good chance that it will work. I have an old blackberry that I can use if something goes really wrong.
So I guess the real question is… How similar do the phones have to be? Or does it have to be identical hardware?
Any insight would be appreciated...
Steven

Id like to know the same answers! The Omnia, which came out at the same time will be upgradable to 6.5, so why did samsung release a phone that wont be at the same time as one that could?
i wonder if an omnia rom could be altered for the samsung?

Lets see some love for the Saga with 6.5, also any news on the Sags 2?

Revisiting old thread
I've still got a brand new Saga that I'd love to use if I could get a stable build of 6.1 or 6.5. The "update" from Verizon made the Saga useless with its instability and constant lock-ups.
I would really appreciate some of the experts here building a clean ROM for the Saga.
Thanks.

T-Mobile Releasing 2nd ROM Update for HD2

I was on the phone with T-Mobile Support (611), regarding my HD2 and the issues that I am still having with this device. The rep. stated that T-Mobile is aware of the issues on the phone and that the 1st ROM update did not resolve them all and caused some new ones.
She stated specifically this new update would resolve the issue of the device hanging after you try to wake up the phone...also, the "unreliable data connection" issue is still prevalent (I still have this problem - and I have tried everything I can think of or read about). She stated that there are other fixes that they are working on to resolve with this new update.
I could not get a solid time frame, but she stated that it should be pretty quick, given that they issued the first one within a short time frame after the HD2 release.
Now, I'm not sure if this means an upgrade from 6.5 to 6.5.3, but I wouldn't count on it. I just hope it is released soon. This device is so nice and so awful at the same time. Constantly I experience little nagging issues that make using this device such a hassle.

Have you tried just flashing it to one of these custom ROMs?

No I have not yet tried the custom ROM yet on the HD2. I like the way the T-Mobile ROM are, I just am getting fed up with the "unreliable data connection" BS. Also, the phone (since the ROM update) has been running slow and I don't think that is acceptable with the 1GHz snapdragon on this device. My only other issue is that the speaker phone stops working because T-Mobile added some stupid software to the device. If you dial 611, the software pops up and tries to solve your problem via webpage and stops the speaker phone from working till you restart the device.
While that is a short list of issues, they are major issues in using the device. But I think i will wait till this 2nd update comes out...if it does not resolve my issues, custom ROM here I come!

I belive flashing NRG will solve your issues It did mine.

Which issue did it solve? The data connection issue?

Data and freezing as well not to mention the phone just flies now. flashing a new radio fixed reception issue

well I will give it a try and see if it resolves my issues as well. I figure we have about a month or so before T-mobile releases the 2nd update. I know I will not be able to last that long with these issues. It is just a pain in the a-- to flash ROMs every day...I'm not into doing it all the time. I would like to find a good stable ROM and run with it. It just takes too much time flashing and reinstalling all those programs and changing the settings to where I like them all (too much work).
Like I said it is a shame, i really like this device on paper, but in the real world is just has some serious issues. I thought i would get a year or two out of this device when i bought it, now I am already looking to swap this puppy out. I'm looking to see what is coming down the pipeline. I refuse to go with WP7 (feels like the step backwards with it limitations as compared to WM6.5 - and i don't want a device that clones the iPhone of 4 years ago)
Anyone other suggestion on custom ROMs?

NRG 21911 is very solid and you don't have to flash everyday it has xda uc and pim backup witch will back up and reinstall all your software I did it yesterday in about 20 min. I refrain from flashing during the week. the the first time it will take about an hour just read all you can on it. 670megs free space on device 13gigs on sd and 300 megs of free RAM

I'm downloading the 23121 Cookie Dinik Glass version right now...I'll let you know how it works on my device. thanks for pointing me in this direction, appreciate it!

tmobile rep told me the same thing after I had a warranty exchange, she said to expect the update soon as there are alot of people experiencing problems with the current software. Although to be honest after running Android on my HD2 I dont think I ever want to use winmo again.

are you getting everything to work with Android? i did not think they have a fully functional Android ROM for the HD2 yet

They're all the same...
My biggest complaint is the bad data connection. Paying too much money for crappy connection. I can't even get connection in my lower level of my house. I think every carrier and cell phones all have their own problems. My two co-workers, one with Droid and the other iPhone have similar problems. Droid keeps freezing 2 warranty phone exchanges so far and iPhone looses connection frequently. iPhone guy wishes his would freeze so he could get a replacement. So it's not just me.

Help me please
So i tried to install android, and on gthe web it said i needed to install hpsl well my phone had it set to 2.10 they stated i needed 2.08 or earlier so i did it but the install still didn't work !!! How can i return my phone back to 2.10 and still get my warranty back

android fo real?
cabrone said:
tmobile rep told me the same thing after I had a warranty exchange, she said to expect the update soon as there are alot of people experiencing problems with the current software. Although to be honest after running Android on my HD2 I dont think I ever want to use winmo again.
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i read on pocetnow that android is being worked on on xda. seen a couple of post too, but there is always some component not really working. is there an official android post where all the kinks are worked out? i would like to switch if thats the case. thanks.

Wow is all I can say about that NRG ROM....it is great! does everything I have been looking for, no data connection issues since last night (I'll report back on this issue as time goes by). It's fast and very stable (so far, but hell I'm impressed), and I did not even use most stable version the 21911.
The UI is great, I love the three pages of app slot, everything is within one or two finger stokes this way. It also gets rid of the apps that I don't want (ie TelNav, etc...) but keeps most of the apps that I do want...I can always install cabs for the programs I want from the official ROM. Plus it has cooked into it all those sweet tweaks and settings. Great work, I'm not even waiting for T-mobile to release the 2nd update any longer.
Thanks gtrplr71 again for suggesting this custom ROM, it's so nice, I don’t even think I will be trying out any other ROMs.

I would not get hopes up of a 6.5.3 upgrade. Could you imagine the Technical support nightmare if they had to troubleshoot 2 different OS versions?
This is one reason I think Android and Linux will really take off in the future.

steve austin said:
i read on pocetnow that android is being worked on on xda. seen a couple of post too, but there is always some component not really working. is there an official android post where all the kinks are worked out? i would like to switch if thats the case. thanks.
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There's a HD2 Android section in the original HD2 area (euro hd2 section).... but it is a work in progress. There are still a lot of issues and kinks. It will be a while before it works as well as a native android phone. But the progress they've made is unbelievable. It's great having both winmo and android on my phone.

jfarhat said:
Wow is all I can say about that NRG ROM....it is great! does everything I have been looking for, no data connection issues since last night (I'll report back on this issue as time goes by). It's fast and very stable (so far, but hell I'm impressed), and I did not even use most stable version the 21911.
The UI is great, I love the three pages of app slot, everything is within one or two finger stokes this way. It also gets rid of the apps that I don't want (ie TelNav, etc...) but keeps most of the apps that I do want...I can always install cabs for the programs I want from the official ROM. Plus it has cooked into it all those sweet tweaks and settings. Great work, I'm not even waiting for T-mobile to release the 2nd update any longer.
Thanks gtrplr71 again for suggesting this custom ROM, it's so nice, I don’t even think I will be trying out any other ROMs.
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your welcome don't forget to make a backup with pim backup to your sd card and use xda uc once you get things settled. Have fun!

how does the xda uc work? i could not figure that out, when I ran the app it stated that i did not have that file on my storage card...but it appeared there somehow.
Also, the incall record does not seem to work at all. when i lauch it (after I connect or before I connect a call) all I get is a blank lined page (note pad page).
And, is there a list of the added and removed apps somewhere? I could not find it in the ROM thread.
As for the 6.5.3 upgrade from T-Mobile, i don't think it will happen either and right now, after trying the NRG ROM...I don't care. I'm not even going to try the T-mobile 2nd ROM upgrade. Now with Android comes along on the HD2 (fully functional) then i will surely set up a dual boot situation on my HD2. That is like the best of both world.

(xda uc)-you wont notice anything different It will run and monitor the phone for new settings when you decide to flash a new build it will auto run and import settings and apps.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=653563 (stock apps) I am not familer with in-call record is that an app? this link might help
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=588644
tip = turn off second hand on clock in CHT misc settings sync errors happen if you dont
You can PM me if you need more help!

Debating keeping the HD2, or going back to Nexus

Hey guys.. I love Android. I've ran so many different rom's and CM6 Nightly's n such on my Nexus One and I really love the phone. I love this HD2 also tho.
I've been using the HD2 with DarkStone FroYo for the last 10 Days or so. I must say I LOVE the HD2. It's a great phone, I love the screen and it's size, but hard buttons all being one piece of plastic was a bad move but thats about it.
Basically here's my issue. I have screen freezes that are a few seconds, or up to 10 allll day long. sometimes it will freeze and wont go into sleep mode for up to a minute (at least a few times a day) I lose my Data signal at least 10 times a day also. Sometimes it comes back, other times I need to Toggle Airplane on/off and my signal will come back.. Basically it's very smooth and awesome, then just craps. and this is extremely often and very random and it's starting to get very irritating. I wanna go back to my Nexus. I've also tried SkinnyEVO and had similar problems.. Are there any ROM's that are smoother and more stable, screen freezes and data drop-outs are really starting to irritate me knowing I wouldn't have these issues on my N1.
Should I wait for Nand to get going, should I try a few more ROM's. Is there fixes for these issues? Any info or suggestions would be great. I'd love to use this for a Daily phone, but in the current state it's a hard call.

Man Try MCCM 1.6 with updating kernel hastarin 8.5
it doesn't freeze at all.
everything work no bugs at all.
camera with zoom , face detection.
it is an awesome build

which radio u have and wim mobile u got ?

Darkstone has not updated his build for quite some time. Definitely try an updated build with latest kernels before giving up on the ole HD2. The touchscreen freeze has been eliminated with the newer kernels. I've been using the Motodroid build which has very good performance with the best working camera; no green tint, full 5 mp with working wide screen mode and shutter sound is selectable (which I have not found in any other build).

I don't know what MinMo build. I'll check, but I have the latest Kernel for the HD2. Kernel 2.15.50
I'll check what WinMo after work. Thanks for posts. I'll report back later

Do try a newer build, like the others said. I upgraded mine to hdone and replaced the kernels and i have yet to have my phone screen freeze. When i was using every other build with the old kernals, it froze all the time. Don't give up on your hd2 yet!

I think you have hit on 2 major issues the first screen freezes has been pretty much solved with the latest kernels with the g sensor fix. So try Hastarins 8.5 or mdeejays latest.
Second the data problems still exist but has been much improved with Letamas Ril Wrapper and other ppp tweaks ,see Letamas thread. if you try one of the newer roms they might have all above already in, so worth a try before going back to nexus.

I've been following Android on HD2 since August, and I've gone from all your problems and more to almost none (touch wood: my phone has begun to freeze today after three weeks of no problems - I'm hoping it's an installed app issue).
They are getting better and better and it's only battery life which remains an issue (for me).
Everyone's going to have different results depending on Radio/Location/Operator, but personally the MDeeJay Sense Revolutions (both types - Froyo and his other one), have worked very well for me, on Energy ROMS (currently the barebones one).
I can't promise Android on HD2 will always be flawless, but your two biggest gripes are certainly solvable on the right combination. (I hope!)

Change your SD card to a Class 6 and let us know.

Give up on the HD2, go back to the Nexus, send me your HD2

Scan my signature for my setup - I find it the best after changing at least 15 builds, 7 WinMo ROMs and 4 different radio combinations.
PS I am really stubborn guy, so that tells you that I've tried all possible combinations with above count of builds, roms, radios - and so far this one gives me what I want: HD2 with the Build that is smoothest and more stable than any Android phone I played around with so far... including nexus one

Thanks for all the information posted here guys. I appreciate it. I'll try mdeejay's latest and see how things go. (all of mdeejay's are Sense UI) I want stock Froyo
Another question. Can I copy everything from my Android Folder, to a New Android Folder for the new ROM I'm about to try, and have everything be exactly how it is now on DarkStone, or will that not work?

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Thanks for all the information posted here guys. I appreciate it. I'll try mdeejay's latest and see how things go. (all of mdeejay's are Sense UI) I want stock Froyo
Another question. Can I copy everything from my Android Folder, to a New Android Folder for the new ROM I'm about to try, and have everything be exactly how it is now on DarkStone, or will that not work?
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Titanium backup is your friend there. google for the wiki and read up on how to backup and restore.
Oh and if you don't like Sense, that's fine, just install whatever launcher you want, press the home button and it will ask you what launcher to use, tick the box for "use this by default" and sense won't come back to bug you. You can also remove the lockscreen slide by deleting the "HTCLockScreen.apk" via adb.
Just also to backup what others are saying, later builds like the one in my sig are far more reliable and useable, I get no data drops or any of the other problems you experience currently.

I know how titanium and all that works, thanks for trying to help though.
I just figured since everything is in the Android Folder, couldn't I copy it to another Android1 folder and boot to that build, and everything be there. but if not. It's ok. I'll just titanium backup everything instead.
I'm thinking about trying out BiffMod 1.2

xguntherc said:
Hey guys.. I love Android. I've ran so many different rom's and CM6 Nightly's n such on my Nexus One and I really love the phone. I love this HD2 also tho.
I've been using the HD2 with DarkStone FroYo for the last 10 Days or so. I must say I LOVE the HD2. It's a great phone, I love the screen and it's size, but hard buttons all being one piece of plastic was a bad move but thats about it.
Basically here's my issue. I have screen freezes that are a few seconds, or up to 10 allll day long. sometimes it will freeze and wont go into sleep mode for up to a minute (at least a few times a day) I lose my Data signal at least 10 times a day also. Sometimes it comes back, other times I need to Toggle Airplane on/off and my signal will come back.. Basically it's very smooth and awesome, then just craps. and this is extremely often and very random and it's starting to get very irritating. I wanna go back to my Nexus. I've also tried SkinnyEVO and had similar problems.. Are there any ROM's that are smoother and more stable, screen freezes and data drop-outs are really starting to irritate me knowing I wouldn't have these issues on my N1.
Should I wait for Nand to get going, should I try a few more ROM's. Is there fixes for these issues? Any info or suggestions would be great. I'd love to use this for a Daily phone, but in the current state it's a hard call.
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You need to change you're SD card. I had gone through the same problem with A-Data class 4 sd card...but large waking times randomly spoiled the whole android experience....so much so that I gave up android...
But ever since I went back to replacement 16GB samsung SD card (which is ironically class 2) things have improved...and the phone wakes up instantly..
Also upgrade the kernel to hastarin v8.5.1 of ur build..it just solved all Data issues for me..maybe it will work for you too

I'm using the stock 16GB Class 2 Samsung that it came with. I have a 16GB Class 10 in my Nexus if we want to compare. but I'm not sure how large the SD class will really change things. Maybe a little.

I came to the HD2 from a Nexus.
I love my nexus... but wanted a larger screen.
Originally I had all the issues you commented... Id already sold my N1 so I really had to work on the HD2 working how I wanted it.
After flashing different roms, radio's, androids and kernels Ive finally landed where I am happy and in just the recent weeks with the tweaks the devs have done to their kernels my phone is rocketing and would never go back...
Only thing I do miss is the trackball and its colored notifications.

OP, you asked about overwriting your files, here's what I did...
I backed up my whole SD Card to my PC, so that I had my full working phone backed up just in case.
I then overwrite the contents of my old Android build with my new Android build, ignoring the data.img file.
Then re-booted, and Voila! EVERYTHING (apps, settings, wallpapers etc) came back, but my ROM was faster and smoother and upgraded.
This was switching from one ROM-maker to an entireley different one (both were Android 2.2 though).
If this had failed, I could have wiped my SD card, and made a choice between trying a fresh new Android, or using my SD Card back-up. If I'd had to go fresh, I'd know my Google Account would hold my contacts and purchased app settings. The AppBrain app is also useful in this regard.
Have fun!

im in a similar situation. i got me a secondhand nexus one, to try how android runs on a native device. i walked around with it for some days now, and i think im soon going back to my hd2, cause I CANT GET USED TO THE SMALL SCREEN ON THE NEXUS XD
really. not.
android on the hd2 runs almost as smooth as on the nexus one, i dont even cared in choosing the right build for my hd2, i just picked froyostone, and thats it xD
so yea, in the end, the only thing i really love on the nexus one is the awsome trackball, with its different colours :3 omg i want that on my hd2... ;(

i was having the freezing problem when i was using energy rom with the stock sd card when i flashed to the newest tmobile rom all of my freezing went away so if you have that problem try the newest tmobile rom it worked for me

FLEXX 11 WORKS!! just a couple things?

I am truly amazed at this. I have been searching for almost 3 years for a working dual boot android for my windows 2 in 1 next book FlexX 11. I have begged, posted and begged some more for this and now I have it thanks to Phoenix OS. (Just Google flexx11 android and you will see all my posts)
The only things that do not seem to work is Bluetooth and on some driving games the accelerometer is stuck in portrait even though I'm in landscape. It's weird because the nicer games have the bug and the cheaper ones work.
Please don't take this as complaining, honestly I would like these fixed if possible, but if they never are I would still be very pleased.
THANK YOU PHOENIX OS AND DEVS YOU MADE MY DREAMS COME TRUE!
You did what all the others couldnt

Anyone?
Bluetooth fix?
Accelerometer fix?
Anyone?

How did you get it to work? wonder if it would work on my Ares 10a?

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I am truly amazed at this. I have been searching for almost 3 years for a working dual boot android for my windows 2 in 1 next book FlexX 11. I have begged, posted and begged some more for this and now I have it thanks to Phoenix OS. (Just Google flexx11 android and you will see all my posts)
The only things that do not seem to work is Bluetooth and on some driving games the accelerometer is stuck in portrait even though I'm in landscape. It's weird because the nicer games have the bug and the cheaper ones work.
Please don't take this as complaining, honestly I would like these fixed if possible, but if they never are I would still be very pleased.
THANK YOU PHOENIX OS AND DEVS YOU MADE MY DREAMS COME TRUE!
You did what all the others couldnt
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You could have built it yourself.

Hello,
I could get Bluetooth working (at least for file transfers) using a custom build by youling257 and another guy from the Chinese PhoenixOS forum. The key was the init.sh script, it had a fix for other models with the same hardware, I have simply included the model I have (actually modified an existing one to match mine). Do you know exactly your BT model? Thinkpad 8 uses a Broadcom chip.
As for the games, my guess is that the builds fake a gyroscope that actually doesn't exist, at least mine has only accelerometer, that works for rotating the screen, but apps that report sensors also list others that don't exist. You can try disabling the kernel modules or changing the XML permissions to disable the gyroscope...
Regards

adambomb_13 said:
I am truly amazed at this. I have been searching for almost 3 years for a working dual boot android for my windows 2 in 1 next book FlexX 11. I have begged, posted and begged some more for this and now I have it thanks to Phoenix OS. (Just Google flexx11 android and you will see all my posts)
The only things that do not seem to work is Bluetooth and on some driving games the accelerometer is stuck in portrait even though I'm in landscape. It's weird because the nicer games have the bug and the cheaper ones work.
Please don't take this as complaining, honestly I would like these fixed if possible, but if they never are I would still be very pleased.
THANK YOU PHOENIX OS AND DEVS YOU MADE MY DREAMS COME TRUE!
You did what all the others couldnt
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So you managed to solve sound problem? I don't care bluetooth but audio is important for me because i only use it for netflix and youtube. Please help me if you have a solution for audio problem.

With every ROM i try i have the same issue: Bluetooth makes wifi to go soooo slow, any help ?

Hello guys, i'm getting crazy about this because, after trying a lot of custom and some official roms i keep having this problem: when bluetooth is active wifi is slow and become useless many times, not every times tho, which makes me even more confused but i'm pretty sure i've made a right diagnose of the problem and it's BT and Wifi interfering...
It's logical to think this must be a hardware issue, specially if you havent experienced it, and i might even try it in another p8 i have (i havent tried yet because it needs a new screen)
As a user i just can't live without bluetooth, maybe some of you didnt noticed it but you also have this issue... i'm just almost all day using bluetooth audio.
In case you experienced this problem, can you suggest any solution ? i'm sure this has to be a repeated problem in many devices due to the similar frequency range BT and Wifi operates (congratulations to the ones who decided to make this standards this way)
In the moment i think every custom rom i tried had some little imperfection or issue and, right now my choice is EMUi 4.1, for me the most valuable thing is the feeling of the OS, the stability, fluidity, consistence, elegance of the interface, and i can have all that with this firmware despite this f***** problem which is a total red line for me. Of course i'd root and customize EMUI a little bit...
BTW... i seem to worried for a 7 years old phone that i just love to have in my hand but its supposed to be just a spare phone while my main one waits for a fix... well yes, i got excited, and frustrated, and excited again... but i guess i will have to accept this dramatic situation and fix my new phone asap.
Suggestion of any custom rom or general solution for this ? thank you guys