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Universal 8gb sd card

does anyone know if the universal will take the new 8 gb sd cards that are coming out. cause i hear that the new 8 gb card will be a different format than the current 4 gig cards. im acheing to buy the 8 gig but dont know if it will accept it at all
"Pretec 8GB SD card is fully compliant with SD 2.0 (SDHC) specification with access speed up to 20MB/sec. The maximum capacity of SD card is 2GB under SD 1.1 of Secure Digital Alliance (SDA) specification; however, by using file format of FAT32, many SD 1.1 host devices can use 4GB SD card which Pretec pioneered since 2005. SD 1.0/1.1 uses traditional “Byte Addressing” scheme which limits the maximum capacity to 4GB while SD 2.0 adopts “Sector Addressing” scheme which is the same with the technique applied by Mu-Card Alliance in 2004 to reach the maximum capacity of 2TB (2048GB). Pretec is one of the major founders and main contribution member of Mu-Card Alliance, who joined force with MMCA in June 2005 (www.mmca.org/press/Mu_Card_Final.pdf). With capacities of 2GB, 4GB, and 8GB, Pretec 8GB SDHC is now available for key customer sampling at unit price $299. Mass production is scheduled by Q4/2006."

I would love to know the answer to this - as I am very highly tempted by an 8GB SD card I've spotted for sale somewhere, my 4GB card is nearly full...

sl9 said:
I would love to know the answer to this - as I am very highly tempted by an 8GB SD card I've spotted for sale somewhere, my 4GB card is nearly full...
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I read around a little throw the internet and was pointed to some Universal reviews and they all tell thet 4GB is possible and 8GB as far as it is available. So I think the chance to get it running is at 80%

Take a look here for info:
http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/index.php?action=expand,50985
and here too:
http://www.dpreview.com/news/0609/06090101pretec8gbsdhc.asp

SD-HC is a new standard, not compatible with the SD 1.1 standard that maxes out at 2Gb. SD 1.1 is what the Universal uses. The 4Gb cards you are seeing use a 'loophole' in the specifications.
In other words: 4Gb is the maximum you will see for the Universal. And no, this cannot be remedied by a driver update, as the SD controller is embedded into the ARM processor (AFAIK).
Hope this helps...

[Q] tmobile HD2 problem: Microsd 32Gb class 10 copy speed less than 4MB/sec

I got a 32Gb MicroSDHC class-10 memorette card.
I verified the speed with a card reader + h2testw that write speed is : 14.7MByte/sec
read speed: 17.5MByte/sec
But when I used the class10 card in tmobile HD2, I am shocked.
When I copy a 720MB movie the write speed is about 4MByte/sec.
h2testw program when used on hd2 connected to PC, showed write speed as 4.8 MByte/sec only.
It needs to be noted the same card when tested with h2testw and a card reader gave 14MByte/sec but gives less than 4.5MB/sec on HD2.
How to fix this problem of HD2 microsd card speed!
Looks like HD2 usb controller has some problem.
the card is indeed class-10.
Please let me know a solution to this problem on HD2.

downbc1 said:
I got a 32Gb MicroSDHC class-10 memorette card.
I verified the speed with a card reader + h2testw that write speed is : 14.7MByte/sec
read speed: 17.5MByte/sec
But when I used the class10 card in tmobile HD2, I am shocked.
When I copy a 720MB movie the write speed is about 4MByte/sec.
h2testw program when used on hd2 connected to PC, showed write speed as 4.8 MByte/sec only.
It needs to be noted the same card when tested with h2testw and a card reader gave 14MByte/sec but gives less than 4.5MB/sec on HD2.
How to fix this problem of HD2 microsd card speed!
Looks like HD2 usb controller has some problem.
the card is indeed class-10.
Please let me know a solution to this problem on HD2.
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The HD2 doesn't read or write to sd cards at that high of speed... that's why it's pointless using class 6 or 10 cards in a HD2. I think most phones are like that. Class 6 and 10 cards are mainly used for digital cameras, where having high sequential write speeds matters.

zarathustrax said:
The HD2 doesn't read or write to sd cards at that high of speed... that's why it's pointless using class 6 or 10 cards in a HD2. I think most phones are like that. Class 6 and 10 cards are mainly used for digital cameras, where having high sequential write speeds matters.
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I have earlier used a nokia 5800 xpressmusic phone with a class 6 16GB card.
The data transfer speeds were higher than HD2.
Generalizing from a single instance (HD2 scenario) may not be correct.

I'm going to go with that the HD2 does not transfer faster than 5.3 MB/sec between the PC and the phone regardless of what the internal transfer rate between the phone and card is.
Using a class 6 card myself, i have noticed that the phone is much more responsive than it was with the class 2 card in there and movies play without stuttering from the class 6 card and applications launch quicker.
my nokia n81 8gb did 8MB/sec from internal 8GB and so did my KM900. The KM900 did 6.2MB from the same classs 6 card

I was under the impression the HD2 maxed at 16 gig. Maybe that's the problem?

Like zarathustrax said, the HD2 isn't capable of read/write any higher than a class 4 card. I think somewhere on the EVO forum there's a fix to unlock the read/write capability for a higher speed but I dunno if anyone here has tried the fix, or if it even works for the HD2 at all.

anhyeuemmaimai said:
I'm going to go with that the HD2 does not transfer faster than 5.3 MB/sec between the PC and the phone regardless of what the internal transfer rate between the phone and card is.
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This is not true. I've copied large files at over 10MB/s directly to the phone. I can't vouch for every hd2 though as it's quite possible they have different hardware. Also the speed drops dramatically if you're copying many smaller files.

I am thinking to buy memorette 32 gb microsd class 10 for my HD2.
As far as I have understood:
1) No matther what I cannot use it fully Class 10 speed when connected to HD2
2) When I connect it to my PC with card reader I can fully use class 10 speed.
I have sandial 8 gb class 2. When I connect it to my pc with card reader and transfering large amount of data (150+ MB), it cease to operate. I have to reconnect it. Then I shuld transfer in less amount of data or reduce copy speed (such as UltraCopy) . I think that is a safety issue for preventing disk from get burned. My question is, will I possibly have some issues with memorette or some other class 10 cards?
Also would it not better using class 10 card in HD2 for using on SD installed Operating System instead of class 6 or 4?
I would appriciate if someone return about memorette. I have never heard about that trademark. I am planning to bid on ebay today.
Sent from my HTC HD2 using XDA App

lude219 said:
Like zarathustrax said, the HD2 isn't capable of read/write any higher than a class 4 card. I think somewhere on the EVO forum there's a fix to unlock the read/write capability for a higher speed but I dunno if anyone here has tried the fix, or if it even works for the HD2 at all.
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fix to unlock the read/write capability for a higher speed ????? Really ... i have buy a micro sd 16GB class 10 ........

morfil said:
I am thinking to buy memorette 32 gb microsd class 10 for my HD2.
As far as I have understood:
1) No matther what I cannot use it fully Class 10 speed when connected to HD2
2) When I connect it to my PC with card reader I can fully use class 10 speed.
I have sandial 8 gb class 2. When I connect it to my pc with card reader and transfering large amount of data (150+ MB), it cease to operate. I have to reconnect it. Then I shuld transfer in less amount of data or reduce copy speed (such as UltraCopy) . I think that is a safety issue for preventing disk from get burned. My question is, will I possibly have some issues with memorette or some other class 10 cards?
Also would it not better using class 10 card in HD2 for using on SD installed Operating System instead of class 6 or 4?
I would appriciate if someone return about memorette. I have never heard about that trademark. I am planning to bid on ebay today.
Sent from my HTC HD2 using XDA App
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A good quality class 2 or 4 sd card is usually better for running an operating system off of, as lower class cards tend to have faster random access speed and better random read/write speeds. Class 6 and 10 sd cards are designed to have a higher sequential write speed, but to achieve these higher speeds, the card initializes the part of the card that's about to be used. The initialization takes some extra time to get started, but boosts the sequential write/read speed so it's great for digital cameras or writing files sequentially.
But when it comes to using the card to run an OS off of, like android or wp7, or using the card to run apps off of, you are going to be reading and writing many small bits of data from different parts of the card. When it comes to this, you need a card that has a good random access speed and random read/write speeds. A high class card that is tweaked to have high sequential read/write speeds ends up being slower because it keeps initializing each part of the card before accessing it, while the lower class 2 or 4 card that doesn't do the initialization is a lot quicker accessing many small parts of the card because it doesn't have that extra step... but they don't get the speed boosts with sequential read/write.
Many people just assume that a higher class card is always going to be better, but this isn't true at all. It all depends on what you are using the card for. Higher class 6 or 10 cards are perfect for digital cameras, recording video, or transferring large files, etc... if you are going to be doing sequential reading or writing, higher class is better.
But for running apps off of, or running an OS off of, or using it as internal memory for an OS like wp7, or anything that will be accessing many parts of the card quickly or reading many small bits of data, etc., you want a card with a good random access speed and random read/write speeds, and that is something that is not rated on cards... but generally lower class cards are better than higher class cards... especially if you get a good quality brand, like sandisk. Sandisk class 2 and 4 are very good cards for random access speeds.
I hope some of you find this info useful and stop assuming a higher class card means better for all situations.

buzz killington said:
This is not true. I've copied large files at over 10MB/s directly to the phone. I can't vouch for every hd2 though as it's quite possible they have different hardware. Also the speed drops dramatically if you're copying many smaller files.
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You must be special then. In my tests I had no difference in a class 2 and class 6.

morfil said:
I am thinking to buy memorette 32 gb microsd class 10 for my HD2.
As far as I have understood:
1) No matther what I cannot use it fully Class 10 speed when connected to HD2
2) When I connect it to my PC with card reader I can fully use class 10 speed.
I have sandial 8 gb class 2. When I connect it to my pc with card reader and transfering large amount of data (150+ MB), it cease to operate. I have to reconnect it. Then I shuld transfer in less amount of data or reduce copy speed (such as UltraCopy) . I think that is a safety issue for preventing disk from get burned. My question is, will I possibly have some issues with memorette or some other class 10 cards?
Also would it not better using class 10 card in HD2 for using on SD installed Operating System instead of class 6 or 4?
I would appriciate if someone return about memorette. I have never heard about that trademark. I am planning to bid on ebay today.
Sent from my HTC HD2 using XDA App
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I am using memorette class 10 32GB microsd currently.
Its affordable and is fully working. I have tested to full capacity read/write using h2testw as I wrote in an earlier post.
Just check the seller's feedback and the description though.

I use TEAM micro sd class 10 on my hero,but after a month my sd card write speed is only 2MB/s.
At the first time,it reach 11MB/s when i tested it with h2testw and sd speed test on my handset.
I only use 640MB for app2sd (ext2) without swap cache.
Could someone explain to me what was happen to my sd card?
Sorry for my bad English

[Q] What is better about a class 10 mico sdhc compared to a class 2?

I am about to buy another micro sdhc card and was wondering what the big difference between the two would be between the classes. I already know what the classes mean, class 2 means it will write at 2 megabits a secound, where as 10 writes at 10 megabits a secound.
My question is what would that extra speed allow you to do what you wouldn't be able to do before. Where would a fast card really shine. is there a maxamium speed that the phone can run at.
would it be better for running android sd, linux in a virtul machine on android (forgot what that is called) watching movies on sd, or apps, games on sd
i also have a asus transformer 10" honeycomb tablet would that i might use it in.

does anybody know?

Doesn't really make a big difference in running an SD Android build. I've been running multiple SD builds on the 16gb class 2 that came with my HD2 for like 2 years, and it is butter smooth. I've seen people on the HD2 forum who bought class 10 cards and had problems. The standard answer that you'll usually find around here about SD cards is that it's pretty much a hit-or-miss thing.
I personally wouldn't waste my money on a more expensive card just for faster write speed, since it seems like if it makes a difference at all, its a negligable difference.

Class is a measure only used on microsd. It means the sdcard MUST be able to withstand writing to it at 10mb/s. So yeah, a class10 should be better than a class2.
Wikipedia
The Speed Class Rating is the official unit of speed measurement for SD Cards, defined by the SD Association. The Class number represents a multiple of 8 Mbit/s (1 MB/s), the least sustained write speeds for a card in a fragmented state (Class 2, 4, 6) or the minimum non-fragmented sequential write speed (Class 10).
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In reality...
No one guarantees that the sdcard reader/writer can write to it at the given speed (or even needs to). Also, many times de class is a basic measure. My 16gb class 10 can be written (on a computer) at 21mb/s tops. Many class2/4 can be written at class10 speeds or above. It's just a guarantee. As a user rarely writes data sequentially, a class 6 should be enough, making a class 10 better only when copying LARGE files (ex. mp3) to the card.
Now, i've never seen, and there's no statistic that class X cards are better than class Y. There are brands better than others, but that's it.
BTW, in Android at least (this must apply on other OS's), increasing sdcard cache to 1024 or above (at a maximum of 2048) improves write speed immensely.

Class 10 will give you faster speed when you transfer large files from pc to card ( videos updated gps map etc ) but I also read somewhere that higher class card uses more battery even in standby . Class 4 should be more than good .

budalica said:
Class 10 will give you faster speed when you transfer large files from pc to card ( videos updated gps map etc ) but I also read somewhere that higher class card uses more battery even in standby . Class 4 should be more than good .
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Make it 6... faster non sequential write speed

UHS1 vs class 10 vs class 6

Does galaxy S4 supports UHS1 ?
If not is there any practical speed benefit from using a class 10 microSD card over a class 6 ?

Don't know the answer to the 1st question, but for the 2nd one Yes, there is. Class determines minimum read-write speed of the card (class 6 = 6MB/sec), so the higher the class the faster you can transfer data to and from the SD card. Also Class 10 is recomended for Full HD video recording.
EDIT: Interesting data from the wikipedia SD page regarding random-access speeds: "One study found that, in this random-access use, some Class 2 cards achieved a write speed of 1.38Mbit/s, while all cards tested of Class 6 or greater (and some of lower Classes; lower Class does not necessarily mean better small-file performance), including those from major manufacturers, were over 100 times slower."

CyberT3 said:
Don't know the answer to the 1st question, but for the 2nd one Yes, there is. Class determines minimum read-write speed of the card (class 6 = 6MB/sec), so the higher the class the faster you can transfer data to and from the SD card. Also Class 10 is recomended for Full HD video recording.
EDIT: Interesting data from the wikipedia SD page regarding random-access speeds: "One study found that, in this random-access use, some Class 2 cards achieved a write speed of 1.38Mbit/s, while all cards tested of Class 6 or greater (and some of lower Classes; lower Class does not necessarily mean better small-file performance), including those from major manufacturers, were over 100 times slower."
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So I guess it depends mainly on the type of use of the SD card. If you are using it for mp3s and video files then higher class is better, if you are using it for applications then lower class would be wiser.

athkatla said:
So I guess it depends mainly on the type of use of the SD card. If you are using it for mp3s and video files then higher class is better, if you are using it for applications then lower class would be wiser.
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Yep, but I think I haven't seen big difference in price between different classes so it would probably be better to buy Class 10 card to be safe (In my country price is about 40$ for 32GB Class 10 microSD card which is a pretty reasonable price)

Max SD speed & capacity supported by Huawei P8lite? Different sources confuse me!

Can someone provide some insight about this total mess? I got this Huawei P8lite (or P8 Lite? damn hipster names!) and no idea about what faster and bigger capacity microsd card supports!
Android Pit, CNET, Car Phonehouse and XDA says 128GB.
Ubergizmo says 144 GB (16GB+128GB?)
Notebook Check says the specifications are 32GB, but it worked with a 64GB SDXC card.
Phone Scoop says "up to 32GB".
GSM Arena says it supports 256GB.
256GB can be too much space, but I find convenient to use the phone as some kind of HDD and use some syncing tool (Syncthing, Dropbox) to have all files on all my systems and backup online. I'm worried about those slim microusb connectors, something I need to solve
What's the maximum speed this device is able to support? I'm unable to locate it too? Why isn't specified? How to locate it? Sandisk Xtreme PRO has U3 (UHS 3) and supports reads up to 275MB/s* and writtings up to 100MB/s, for example. Can this mobile support it?

timofonic said:
Can someone provide some insight about this total mess? I got this Huawei P8lite (or P8 Lite? damn hipster names!) and no idea about what faster and bigger capacity microsd card supports!
Android Pit, CNET, Car Phonehouse and XDA says 128GB.
Ubergizmo says 144 GB (16GB+128GB?)
Notebook Check says the specifications are 32GB, but it worked with a 64GB SDXC card.
Phone Scoop says "up to 32GB".
GSM Arena says it supports 256GB.
256GB can be too much space, but I find convenient to use the phone as some kind of HDD and use some syncing tool (Syncthing, Dropbox) to have all files on all my systems and backup online. I'm worried about those slim microusb connectors, something I need to solve
What's the maximum speed this device is able to support? I'm unable to locate it too? Why isn't specified? How to locate it? Sandisk Xtreme PRO has U3 (UHS 3) and supports reads up to 275MB/s* and writtings up to 100MB/s, for example. Can this mobile support it?
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It can support class 10 and above sdcard(I inserted a slow sdcard so it showed a notification that use class 10 or above sdcard(on emui 3.1) . I think 128 GB the max capacity.

Suleiman01 said:
It can support class 10 and above sdcard(I inserted a slow sdcard so it showed a notification that use class 10 or above sdcard(on emui 3.1) . I think 128 GB the max capacity.
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Thanks for your input, it's greatly appreciated. What capacity that SD card had?
Yes, it said the same here. I know that's going to be an issue, as I want a massive SD card for different stuff.
Are there someone that casually has big SD cards (128GB+?) and wants to do some tests? What about speed tests?

timofonic said:
Thanks for your input, it's greatly appreciated. What capacity that SD card had?
Yes, it said the same here. I know that's going to be an issue, as I want a massive SD card for different stuff.
Are there someone that casually has big SD cards (128GB+?) and wants to do some tests? What about speed tests?
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I don't really use that space. I am fine with 16GB class 10 external SD card(the slow one was class 4 8GB). I don't think this phone can handle 128GB sdcard well since it's a midrange phone. However I can ask Huawei care center about this.

@Suleiman01 i think it should, i have the G play/ Honor 4x (same hardware specs than p8 lite, except internal storage, battery and screen size), and it says max support 64gb, but a 128GB sdcard works too

panchovix said:
@Suleiman01 i think it should, i have the G play/ Honor 4x (same hardware specs than p8 lite, except internal storage, battery and screen size), and it says max support 64gb, but a 128GB sdcard works too
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Then you are right. But it might not be able to handle 128GB+ sdcard. I have emailed Huawei lets see what they say.

Basically it can support all sizes but depends on the file system used. I have a Sony 32GB Class 10 which by default was formatted in FAT32 and i have formatted it to exFAT and it works great on my P8. If the phone supports officially at least 64GB cards then it'll support bigger sized ones because SD cards with capacity of 64GB and up by default come in exFAT file format so this means that it can support higher capacities. Here's the proof
If you are going to buy one then go for the fastest possible or you will have stutters while listening to music and doing some file transfers at the same time. ????

I have a Sandisk 128GB (Obviously formated to FAT32) and works good as hell. All SD cards formatted to FAT32 should work.

pilililo2 said:
I have a Sandisk 128GB (Obviously formated to FAT32) and works good as hell. All SD cards formatted to FAT32 should work.
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What about using EXT4 instead? I use Linux.

Ive never seen a microsd card formatted to ext4. Bigger cards are formatted to exFat which is the formatting that a lot of phones dont support and thats why they say thay they dont support sdcards over xxxGB, but what they actually dont support is exfat. Thats why if you format any size card to FAT32 it will work on any phone regardless of what the manufacturer specifies as the maximum sdcard size. Also ive heard EXT4 is not very nice on flash memories since it wears them out very quickly because of indexing, but I might be going way far here.
Edit: Anyhow linux will support FAT32 so i dont think that makes a problem

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It would be very interesting to know. I know EXT4 provides extensions for SSDs and such since years, but not sure about flash drives (that it seems to use some kind of "HDD emulation in them", right?).
There's this 2010 article about what's the fastest filesystem for cheap flash devices
Arnd Bergmann replied on August 2015 the following in the "ext2 vs ext4 vs exFAT for XO content SD cards?" forum thread:
arnd at arndb.de
Thu Aug 20 16:55:07 EDT 2015
SDXC cards are mandated to be using exFAT (just like SDHC cards have to use VFAT, and indeed this is the only difference between the two) by the SD card standard. If you don't use this, you are strictly speaking
in violation of the standard and the cards might not behave as designed.
In particular, the card is allowed to only do efficient garbage collection for the access patterns that you get with a single exFAT partition that spans the entire card and has all its metadata aligned exactly in the way that the spec defines.
In practice, things tend to work mostly ok with other file systems, but if you use NTFS or ext3 (rather than ext4), you are usually asking for
trouble.
The best longevity would be provided by f2fs, which is designed to work fine on most SD cards. The downside is that it only works on relatively modern Linux kernels (3.x or higher).
I would expect that cards today use only dynamic wear leveling, not static wear leveling as real SSDs do. This means that content on a read-only partition will decay with the normal life of the card (several years, but depending on the quality of the card and the environmental conditions, e.g. not too hot), independent of the presence of partitions you write to.
Dynamic wear leveling works best if you have a lot of unused blocks, so a good strategy for long life would be to leave a whole partition (e.g. 20% of the size of the writable partition, the more you have, the longer the card will survive) that never gets written after manufacturing, or at least gets erased using the fitrim ioctl command after the initial imaging.
For a 128 GB card with 115GB of actual space, you could then use something like:
* 80GB zisofs/cramfs/squashfs for static data
* 30GB f2fs/ext4 for writable data
* 5GB unused space for wear leveling
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You very probably already know that exFAT is totally owned by Microsoft and that there's a leaked GPL-based.exFAT driver for Linux kernel, but this filesystem it's patent encumbered and not merged into mainline.
Why do I mention this?
Because it's a pain in the butt to use it across operating systems and needing to use a custom kernel on your Linux box makes things harder.
I know many custom ROMs with custom kernels use exFAT and very probably even official kernels too, but that's a gray area. Phone manufacturers are able to pay the Microsoft's Android Tax if they want to.

Sooo, what about the bus speed? Is p8 lite compatible with UHC 3 even?