I want to get myself a new SD Card for my Magician:
I will choose between a standard 1 GB SD Card and the SanDisk UltraII SD 1GB
First of all, does it really make the difference if i take the UltraII? How much faster is it anyway? It would cost me almost 50% more.
Secondly, can the Magician even handle the Ultra? Are cards up to 2GB even supported?
Or should I consider a bigger card?
Currently I've got a 256 Sandisk standard....
SD cards
In general you probably won't see the speed deference between the basic and ultra on a PDA, because of the speed of the interface.
If you use a card reader (using USB 2 interface) then you will see the speed increase.
Personally, I've just bought a Sandisk 1GB Ultra plus card:
http://www.picstop.co.uk/Secure-Digital-(SD)/SanDisk-Ultra-II-(USB)-SD-Plus-Card---1GB
Will have to wait and see how good it is!
Apparently 4GB sd cards are coming soon, which should drop the price of the 1GB cards even further.
DS
If you going with a 2gb card - go with the sandisk ultra... I purchased an A-Data 2gb 150x and it does not work.
SanDisk Ultra are good cards.
I am perhaps hours from buying HTC Tytn..and from what I can see maximum size you can buy is 2 gig. Compared to my pocket pc (which had an sd and cf slot), I can put up to 4gig cards in its slot. I am going to really miss having a bigger capacity for extra programs, and memory for files. If they do come out with a larger Micro SD,, lets say eventually 4gig for example, do you think that all it would take to be able to adopt this new size would be to to a ROM upgrade (update) or is it written in stone that the max on this unit is 2 gigs.
Thx for any input, and especially any enlightenement in regards to larger micro sd's that are on the horizon.
stoker1 said:
I am perhaps hours from buying HTC Tytn..and from what I can see maximum size you can buy is 2 gig. Compared to my pocket pc (which had an sd and cf slot), I can put up to 4gig cards in its slot. I am going to really miss having a bigger capacity for extra programs, and memory for files. If they do come out with a larger Micro SD,, lets say eventually 4gig for example, do you think that all it would take to be able to adopt this new size would be to to a ROM upgrade (update) or is it written in stone that the max on this unit is 2 gigs.
Thx for any input, and especially any enlightenement in regards to larger micro sd's that are on the horizon.
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AFAIK there is no 2Gig limit and 4 gig would be OK, but lets here from others.
Mike
4GB is coming soon.. but will it work?
http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/18/kingmax-busts-out-worlds-first-4gb-microsdhc-card/
Anyone know if that will work on a hermes device?
Is MicroSDhc a different incompatible standard?
I dont think wm device do support sdhc system so we are limited to 2 gb or at maximum 4gb but no sdhc....
i will be more then happy if anyone can prove me wrong...
PS:just a note somewhere i read that the maximum possible capacity for micro sd is 32gb but im not sure is it obtainable with sd 2.0 specification (sdhc) or with standard sd 1.1 specification....??
SDHC cards don't work in normal SD slots, like the Hermes has one. There is hope for non SDHC 4GB MicroSD cards though, because there have been 4GB SD cards and now also 4GB Mini SD cards available, that are non SDHC compliant and work in standard Pocket PCs. So let's hope for non SDHC 4GB MicroSD that will work in our Hermes.
Dandie said:
SDHC cards don't work in normal SD slots, like the Hermes has one. There is hope for non SDHC 4GB MicroSD cards though, because there have been 4GB SD cards and now also 4GB Mini SD cards available, that are non SDHC compliant and work in standard Pocket PCs. So let's hope for non SDHC 4GB MicroSD that will work in our Hermes.
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That's where th iphone looks good. Damn... 8Gb !
can i just point you all to this patch :
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=344338
if you didn't know, the newer devices can use High Capacity SD storage cards from 2Gb up to 8Gb (as far as i know, the microSDHC go up to 8Gb just now, i hear 32Gb is possible but not currently available...)
this patch will allow your older devices to use the high cap storage cards, so you are no longer limited to 2Gb storage, great for sticking all your tunes and videos on the card!
time to throw away those crappy old mp3 players!
Can the 32GB SDHC card be left in the Elocity A7?
Or must it be removed after every use?
You can keep it in
esemelis said:
You can keep it in
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Thank you. Do you know what the different classes mean?
Class 4; Class 6; etc.?
Grandson just wants to use for "normal stuff."
There are different speeds of SD card available. The official unit of measurement is the Speed Class Rating; an older unit of measurement is the × rating.
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The Speed Class Rating is the official unit of speed measurement for SD Cards, defined by the SD Association. The Class number represents a multiple of 8 Mb/s (1 MB/s), and meets the least sustained write speeds for a card in a fragmented state.[16] These are the ratings of some currently available cards:[16]
* Class 0 cards do not specify performance, which includes all legacy cards prior to class specifications.
* Class 2, 2 MB/s, slowest for SDHC cards.
* Class 4, 4 MB/s.
* Class 6, 6 MB/s.
* Class 10, 10 MB/s.
Even though the class ratings are defined by a governing body, like × speed ratings, class speed ratings are quoted by the manufacturers and not verified by any independent evaluation process. In applications that require sustained write throughput, such as video recording, the device may not perform satisfactorily if the SD card's class rating falls below a particular speed. For example, a camcorder that is designed to record to class 6 media may suffer dropouts or corrupted video on slower media. On slower class cards, digital cameras may experience a lag of several seconds between photo-taking, whilst the camera writes the picture to the card.
Important differences between the Speed Class and the traditional CD-ROM drive speed measurement ("×" speed ratings) are that speed class:[16]
1. may be queried by the host device;
2. defines the minimum transfer speed.
Since the class rating is readable by devices, they can issue a warning to the user if the inserted card's reported rating falls below the application's minimum requirement.[16]
On 21 May 2009, Panasonic announced new class 10 SDHC cards, claiming that this new class is "part of SD Card Specification Ver.3.0".[17] Toshiba also announced cards based on the new 3.0 spec.[1
ninetoes49 said:
There are different speeds of SD card available. The official unit of measurement is the Speed Class Rating; an older unit of measurement is the × rating.
[edit] Speed Class Rating
The Speed Class Rating is the official unit of speed measurement for SD Cards, defined by the SD Association. The Class number represents a multiple of 8 Mb/s (1 MB/s), and meets the least sustained write speeds for a card in a fragmented state.[16] These are the ratings of some currently available cards:[16]
* Class 0 cards do not specify performance, which includes all legacy cards prior to class specifications.
* Class 2, 2 MB/s, slowest for SDHC cards.
* Class 4, 4 MB/s.
* Class 6, 6 MB/s.
* Class 10, 10 MB/s.
Even though the class ratings are defined by a governing body, like × speed ratings, class speed ratings are quoted by the manufacturers and not verified by any independent evaluation process. In applications that require sustained write throughput, such as video recording, the device may not perform satisfactorily if the SD card's class rating falls below a particular speed. For example, a camcorder that is designed to record to class 6 media may suffer dropouts or corrupted video on slower media. On slower class cards, digital cameras may experience a lag of several seconds between photo-taking, whilst the camera writes the picture to the card.
Important differences between the Speed Class and the traditional CD-ROM drive speed measurement ("×" speed ratings) are that speed class:[16]
1. may be queried by the host device;
2. defines the minimum transfer speed.
Since the class rating is readable by devices, they can issue a warning to the user if the inserted card's reported rating falls below the application's minimum requirement.[16]
On 21 May 2009, Panasonic announced new class 10 SDHC cards, claiming that this new class is "part of SD Card Specification Ver.3.0".[17] Toshiba also announced cards based on the new 3.0 spec.[1
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Thank you.
#1- Since we are new to all of this, which one (best) should we pick for our Elocity A7? Would Class 2; Class 4 and Class 6 work with the Elocity A7? Class 2 being the slowest, etc.?
#2- I put a 4GB SD card into SD slot and when I looked in the Storage section, it said on 2GB free memory. The card is empty. Wonder why it did not say 4GB empty?
alicez said:
Thank you.
#1- Since we are new to all of this, which one (best) should we pick for our Elocity A7? Would Class 2; Class 4 and Class 6 work with the Elocity A7? Class 2 being the slowest, etc.?
#2- I put a 4GB SD card into SD slot and when I looked in the Storage section, it said on 2GB free memory. The card is empty. Wonder why it did not say 4GB empty?
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The elocity does not report memory properly. They were supposed to fix that in their last update, but didn't. Hopefully they will fix it soon.
sagggas said:
The elocity does not report memory properly. They were supposed to fix that in their last update, but didn't. Hopefully they will fix it soon.
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Thank you.
Would you have an answer to #1?
I chose a 16GB Class 10 SDHC card and moved all my Apps to the card thus preserving the internal memory of the A7. Search XDA for moving apps to SD if you choose that route.
sagggas said:
The elocity does not report memory properly. They were supposed to fix that in their last update, but didn't. Hopefully they will fix it soon.
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Class 4 should be fine. Faster cards (6 -10) will cost you more and give you little to no benefit, as the internal is likely a class 4.
Thank you. My grandson just bought the following:
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Kingston 16GB Micro SDHC Flash Memory Card Kingston Part Number SDC4/16GB Brand New in Retail Package
Features/Benefits:
Compliant — with the SD Specification Version 2.00
Versatile — when combined with the adapter, can be used as a full-size SDHC card
Compatible — with microSDHC host devices; not compatible with standard microSD-enabled device/readers
File Format — SDHC File Format - FAT32; to work with single file size that is over 4GB in size, please remember to format your memory to NTFS standard
Reliable — lifetime warranty
Specifications:
Capacity* — 16GB
Dimensions — 0.43 x 0.59 x 0.039 ( 11mm x 15mm x 1mm)
High-Speed Class Rating — Class 4: 4MB/sec. minimum data transfer rate
Operating temperatures — -13°F to 185°F (-25°C to 85°C)
Storage temperatures — -40°F to 185°F (-40°C to 85°C)
Weight — .05 oz (1.4g)
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Would that be okay to use. He always does things quickly without checking with anybody. But I guess that is a part of being young. The only thing that perturbs me is the part about:
***File Format — SDHC File Format - FAT32; to work with single file size that is over 4GB in size, please remember to format your memory to NTFS standard ***
Should that concern me (or him)?
Thanks again for all your valuable help and assistance.
Alice
The A7 ( most Anroid devices) do not recognize ntfs. The only way to break the 4gb barrier is to format the card as ext2 and manually mount it. That is not trivial.
dburckh said:
The A7 ( most Anroid devices) do not recognize ntfs. The only way to break the 4gb barrier is to format the card as ext2 and manually mount it. That is not trivial.
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Can my grandson use this SD card with the Elocity A7?
Yes, the card will work for most applications. It sounds like if he is trying to put a file larger than 4GB on the card he may have problems
I'm a bit confused here. Can someone help?
I notice the SD card my grandson used to download the recent version update to the A7 is labeled = "SanDisk 2GB Micro SD." And it worked fine.
Isn't the A7 supposed to accept only Micro SDHC cards? Why then did our A7 accept the Micro SanDisk 2GB SD card?
Can anyone explain? Does the A7 accept both - SD and SDHC?
Please advise and thank you.
Alice
Yes, they are essentially the same and both will work
I have a 32gb card and it is very flakey. The only thing that seems to work well with it is Windows. I can't seem to install anything from it. Videos do play. I have not tried music.
I was trying to format it as ext2 with PartedMagic and it kept failing. I ended up formatting it as fat32 in windows. I may try another live cd.
alicez said:
Thank you. My grandson just bought the following:
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Kingston 16GB Micro SDHC Flash Memory Card Kingston Part Number SDC4/16GB Brand New in Retail Package
Features/Benefits:
Compliant — with the SD Specification Version 2.00
Versatile — when combined with the adapter, can be used as a full-size SDHC card
Compatible — with microSDHC host devices; not compatible with standard microSD-enabled device/readers
File Format — SDHC File Format - FAT32; to work with single file size that is over 4GB in size, please remember to format your memory to NTFS standard
Reliable — lifetime warranty
Specifications:
Capacity* — 16GB
Dimensions — 0.43 x 0.59 x 0.039 ( 11mm x 15mm x 1mm)
High-Speed Class Rating — Class 4: 4MB/sec. minimum data transfer rate
Operating temperatures — -13°F to 185°F (-25°C to 85°C)
Storage temperatures — -40°F to 185°F (-40°C to 85°C)
Weight — .05 oz (1.4g)
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Would that be okay to use. He always does things quickly without checking with anybody. But I guess that is a part of being young. The only thing that perturbs me is the part about:
***File Format — SDHC File Format - FAT32; to work with single file size that is over 4GB in size, please remember to format your memory to NTFS standard ***
Should that concern me (or him)?
Thanks again for all your valuable help and assistance.
Alice
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I'm kind of unclear about what you're concerned about?
That 4gb limitation for file size is a Fat32 limitation, I.e., if the card is formatted Fat32, the largest size for any single file on it will be limited to 4gb. That's for any single file, not for the whole card. For example, for that 16gb, you can put 3 4gb file plus as many <4gb files to fill up the 16gb.
NTFS formatting would allow larger single files, but not sure if the A7 supports NTFS.
Jim
jimcpl said:
I'm kind of unclear about what you're concerned about?
That 4gb limitation for file size is a Fat32 limitation, I.e., if the card is formatted Fat32, the largest size for any single file on it will be limited to 4gb. That's for any single file, not for the whole card. For example, for that 16gb, you can put 3 4gb file plus as many <4gb files to fill up the 16gb.
NTFS formatting would allow larger single files, but not sure if the A7 supports NTFS.
Jim
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The a7 does NOT support NTFS format. I have tried several different types of formatting on SDHC cards in order to help "alicez", who has posted this same issue on various forums, in multiple threads. Not sure what the continuing confusion is about.
mskitty76 said:
The a7 does NOT support NTFS format. I have tried several different types of formatting on SDHC cards in order to help "alicez", who has posted this same issue on various forums, in multiple threads. Not sure what the continuing confusion is about.
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The confusion comes from many different answers to my original question. I just wanted to know if I could/should use FAT, FAT32 or NTFS formatted SD cards with our A7. That is all. But several responses gave different answers. I was confused as I am sure any novice would be.
Why should it be a problem if I posted the question on other forums? Forums are for questions and in order to get a definitive answer I sometimes have to post in a few places. Sorry if I upset anyone.
Thanks to everyone who tried to help.
Alice (and grandsons)
Hi,
Which SD card should I get for this
does it support 64GB? I want it as fast as possible, do I need...
Sandisk Ultra
Sandisk Mobile Ultra
Sandisk Mobile Ultra UHS 1 (ultra high speed)
Class 10
SDHC? SDXC??
I don't know which ones will work ok I would like to store files larger than 4GB on there if possible
Thanks
the 64GB ones work if there formatted to fat32 BEFORE putting them in the TAB, but fat32 stops at the 4GB file size limit, I don't know if these tablets support the needed file structures through SD that are needed to have files over 4GB.
Just did some reading and it looks like a few devices are starting to get exfat support with the newest version of android, which could get us around the 4GB file size limit.