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Video Framerate with HTC prophet(and other versions)

im seriously considering upgrade changing to a Dopod pro818 but i have a question, i enjoy using my mini as a portable media player using TCPMP with max FPS per compression, if i make FPS 29.97+128kbps audio, will this run smoothly like in my mini or will the 200mhz cpu have problems for media play? i dnt wana get the unit then later finding out that i cant play my favorite movies and videos
those with this unit pls put in some feedback so i can weigh my options

if you encode 320x240 with 29.97fps and 128kbps sound, it is no problem playing on the prophet.

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If you usaually use device for movies & songs, I did not suggest to upgrade Prophet device. Prophet was not good at handling multimedia functions, like movie. I suggest you might look for Atom with 416MHz speed instead of OMAP device.
Or wait for new product update from HTC soon.............

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victorlam said:
If you usaually use device for movies & songs, I did not suggest to upgrade Prophet device. Prophet was not good at handling multimedia functions, like movie. I suggest you might look for Atom with 416MHz speed instead of OMAP device.
Or wait for new product update from HTC soon.............
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hmmm I'm not so sure. I have gone from the Jam (400mhz) to the Prophet (200mhz), which is a step down in processor speed. I used both for watching movies, music etc. I have found the Prophet to be perfectly acceptable. I watch them using 29 fps 320x240 128kps and it's fine. I have even watched a fully blown divx (700mb) film and it was fine. Maybe there are small artefacts that I'm not noticing, I really couldn't say but if you find it's a big difference in price then perhaps the Prophet is you best option. Obviously if price is not a problem then the Atom is the way to go.
ps. Also bear in mind that you can overclock the omap processor.

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qdabean said:
ps. Also bear in mind that you can overclock the omap processor.
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keep in mind, that not all OMAP processor can achieve 300MHz...
even, it can render your device became useless...

The OMAP Processor have some issues with Windows Media Player 10... But TCPMP plays just great on the OMAP 200Mhz processor.
I even watch my movies and videos while using my Plantronics Stereo Headset and A2DP... No lags, no skips... Silky smooth video and audio.
Best regards,
Rayan

320x240, 29.997fps, 128kbit audio - performs great and without any overclocking.
playing a full-blown Divx at full quality requires some overclocking though.
I have even streamed a film over wi-fi without problems, however it needed overclocking too.

Improving Framerate of Coreplayer on Xperia

is there any tweak or setting to improve it?
due to the TyTN II driver..it does play videos good and not need to re-encode..just drag n drop n play.
but i noticed the framerate is still not good enuff ..if it cud be improved..it wud be the perfect portable DVD player in your pocket.

i also noticed in Portrait mode...framerate is higher than in Landscape mode.

Lower the bitrate of video and audio until it's acceptable. I have a specific one I always using when re-encoding files. I'll have a look later if I remember

Ways to improve framerate without having to convert the videos? Converting takes up lots of time. For shows like 24, the X1 does not play very smoothly

X1 is using cpu to decode movie, so overclock cpu will speed up the coreplayer playback performance,hehe...

You cant overclock quakcomm only Xscale and omap

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You cant overclock quakcomm only Xscale and omap
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so i guess only solution is to convert the videos like u have to do for iphone/ipods?
kills the fun...because i dont have so much time for conversion..and whats the point when u waste more time on conversion than watching the show itself

im using coreplayer and it runs around 22-24 fps

[Q] Android Video Player?

I cant seem to find a single video player in the Market that plays a range of formats, primarily wmv and avi that I have downloaded.
Any suggestions?
I have to make the commute to work a little more bearable since I broke my Sony e-reader...

i know that the 'rock player' plays avi and mkv files, have you tried that one?

Thanks for your reply, I just checked out rock player and it doesn't seem to work.... opens the video for a split second before closing it again...
I guess I'll keep looking.
Any dev looking to port VLC over to android?

BoogWeed said:
Thanks for your reply, I just checked out rock player and it doesn't seem to work.... opens the video for a split second before closing it again...
I guess I'll keep looking.
Any dev looking to port VLC over to android?
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oh thats strange, it works on my hero (they have different versions for different devices, make sure you downloaded the ARMv6 one)
but tbh its not great because theres a lag between the video and the audio, most probably because of the hero's slower processor. i'm looking for a good video player as well

Hmm.. Rock Player started to work by itself.. kinda.
Plays the video for about 15 seconds (very choppy, even after all tasks killed and using a blank Sense Scene) and then freezes the phone, have to remove the battery..

Have u overclocked?
My hero wouldnt run RockPlayer on 691MHz as MAX. Had to down it to 652.
in the end i deleted it, since the video was choppy. i guess the processor just isnt up to handling large video + i hate ruining films on a small screen.
there are some forum posts on VLC Forum about porting to Android... i think the conclusion was that it wasnt going to happen?

My phone is indeed overclocked, to 672Mhz.
I'll try messing around with the OC settings and see if it makes a difference.
I know the processor is *only* 528MHz (stock), but I remember watching videos perfectly well on my Packard Bell 166Mhz, 32mb RAM, 2mb Video card pc...
I think Android should be doing a LOT better with with handling Video, see my post in the "Android 2.3?" thread...

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I know the processor is *only* 528MHz (stock), but I remember watching videos perfectly well on my Packard Bell 166Mhz, 32mb RAM, 2mb Video card pc...
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There is a significant difference between the low quality avi files of the past and the h264 mkv content of today. Some of the recent files require a minimum of a 2GHz processor to run (understandably 1080p content, but still). And lets not forget about the instruction sets which provide desktop cpu's with a boost in those areas. Furthermore, considering your phone only has a cpu and no dedicated or otherwise gpu it isn't all that surprising.
Even running an average quality dvd rip avi file my CPU is running at between 15-25% and I have an overclocked dual core 3.33GHz intel cpu E7300 (25% is roughly 833MHz). Not to mention GPU usage, which at this time I can't be bothered to record.
I understand that this is not definitive evidence but I am using it to show that you are simplifying the problem. TV shows and movies that are ripped now have much higher quality resolutions and bitrates than those of the past, it is not surprising that they require higher processing power. Realistically a 528MHz low power phone cpu is unlikely to be able to keep up with these improvements. Just like the low power Intel Atom desktop chips fail to run 1080p video (even the dual core one) running somewhere in excess of 1GHz (think its 1.6GHz).
That wasn't meant to be such a huge rant...

HAHA! I know I totally simplified it but I guess I was just trying to say that a smart phone in 2010 should be able to handle video with no problems...
My upgrade is due in January, so new handset here I come!
Will be funny to see the (still awesome, despite my rant) HTC Hero become my backup phone...

Best Codec for battery life

I'm taking a trip to asia, and I'm planning to watch a number of videos on the way. I'm trying to figure out what codec gets the best battery life. Does the Vibrant have a hardware decoder that is optimized for certain codecs? I read a thread on here about the ARM Neon gpu, but it seems pretty vague as to what codecs are native. Has anyone tested different codecs and checked battery life?
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Ok here is what I did:
Coverted the same video 6 ways: h.264 (iphone specs), xvid, mpeg4, mpeg 2, flv (300kbps). I used Freemake Video Converter and then WinFF for the flash conversion
I odin'd back to stock and ran all the vids. Mpeg2 had to be run using software mode on the rockplayer.
Each test I ran for 1 hour. Since I'll be using this while flying, I put it in flight mode, lowest brightness setting (both video player app and main), and killed all tasks with Advanced Task Killer. I checked the battery percentage with the Quick Settings app
Stock Rom
h.264 15% battery loss
xvid 15%
mpeg4 15%
mpeg2 15%
flash lq 10%
I was shocked that flash was so low - but the video was hideous, it was 300kbps and looked really bad, so I did a 800 kbps conversion (flv hq). It looked much better
flash hq 13%
Then I installed the One Click Lag Fix (OCLF) and tried just the winners again.
flv lq 8%
flv hq 11%
Bionix final with Core v2 didn't change anything
flv hq 13%
switched to Bionix final with JACs Voodoo with Colorfix - this includes a very low brightness setting that is great for the plane. I used SetCPU to put it in powersave mode but I had to set a minimum speed of 400, at 200 the video locked up.
flv hq 10%
h.264 11%
I have a low quality h.264 that I still need to try, but 10% for an hour of video is great.
Of course now Froyo is the new hotness, so I may have to try it, but there seem to be lots of complaints about battery life.

Actually I have done a litle playing around with movies in different codecs, seeing which ones rendered the best on the device offset by their battery drain. I used several native codecs ( .avi, .mp4, .mkv ) and while the results arent as definative as one would hope, the average winner is .mp4. My personal testing comes from playing movies saved to my sd card while I am at work. I never plug the phone in mid day and use the "hop in the car on my way home and look at the screen" test. After a full 8 hours of playing video my sgs is at 21% with mp4, 18% with avi and between 16% and 20% with mkv. Hope my little bit of benchmarking helps you.

AVI, MP4, and MKV are not codecs; they are container formats.
While I don't have an answer for the OP, if you want an accurate experiment you should try several different codecs (H.264, DivX, XviD, etc) inside the three aforementioned container formats and see what your results are. You might also try using different audio codecs and don't forget to try the 3GP container as well.
I vote that you science the hell out this and report back.

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Personally I got better battery life from jac's kernel with bionix final and bionix fusion than either core 1.2ghz or core 1ghz kernel, try jac's kernel and see if battery life improves for you
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OP you realise most modern flights have hours of video, film and games right? Also they often have usb charging points in the seat! If you are worried about battery life buy an external battery pack, I did for a month travelling in korea and japan, it worked great
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OP you realise most modern flights have hours of video, film and games right? Also they often have usb charging points in the seat! If you are worried about battery life buy an external battery pack, I did for a month travelling in korea and japan, it worked great
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I take this trip all the time. This just happens to be first time that I've taken the trip with the Vibrant. United economy Chicago to Tokyo to Bangkok is lucky to get food, forget usb charging ports. I've checked the movie list - it's particularly lousy this trip.
Also I've always wondered about this. It seems like some movies kill the battery and others don't.

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HTC HD2 outperforms Atrix Software Decode

I recently did some testing. I encoded 2 of the exact same videos at h264 AVC .mp4 video files. Both at 2,000kbps video bitrate. The hd2 was at 800x480 with a 5:3 pan and scan at 23.97fps. I do realize that the reduced resolution is easier on the hardware but doesn't use much more cpu. I will do another test at a more universal resolution like say 720x480 for both devices to test again. The atrix was at 960x540 with a 16:9 pan and scan at 23.97fps. I then played back both videos on both devices in Vital Player Pro in software decoding. I set the clock to 750Mhz on the atrix and it was unable to playback smoothly. I had to increase to roughly 800Mhz to barely playback smoothly. For flawless playback, I needed 900Mhz+ on the atrix. With the hd2 on the other hand I first set the clock to 576Mhz and it was very choppy. So i increased it until it could playback smoothly. I raised it to 652Mhz and was able to playback flawlessly. I'm losing a lot of respect for the atrix with it not being able to decode without raising the cpu way up. It's a dual core but it's likely the OS and the application can't utilize the additional thread. This however shows that when running on one thread, the HTC HD2's cpu is much more powerful while software decoding video under vital player. I suppose once the roms and kernel's get more perfected, I suppose the Atrix will perform better. The down side is that's not going to happen for some time.
Your thoughts would be highly appreciated.
ATRIX @ EternityProject kernel, android 2.3.4, stock
- Maximum Available frequency @ 1210Mhz
HTC HD2 @ Rafpigna's 2.0, android 2.3.3, stock
- Maximum Available frequency @ 1536Mhz

Wrong section..
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sure someone cancel and close this thread please. Or just move it to GENERAL.

1chris89 said:
I recently did some testing. I encoded 2 of the exact same videos at h264 AVC .mp4 video files. Both at 2,000kbps video bitrate. The hd2 was at 800x480 with a 5:3 pan and scan at 23.97fps. I do realize that the reduced resolution is easier on the hardware but doesn't use much more cpu. I will do another test at a more universal resolution like say 720x480 for both devices to test again. The atrix was at 960x540 with a 16:9 pan and scan at 23.97fps. I then played back both videos on both devices in Vital Player Pro in software decoding. I set the clock to 750Mhz on the atrix and it was unable to playback smoothly. I had to increase to roughly 800Mhz to barely playback smoothly. For flawless playback, I needed 900Mhz+ on the atrix. With the hd2 on the other hand I first set the clock to 576Mhz and it was very choppy. So i increased it until it could playback smoothly. I raised it to 652Mhz and was able to playback flawlessly. I'm losing a lot of respect for the atrix with it not being able to decode without raising the cpu way up. It's a dual core but it's likely the OS and the application can't utilize the additional thread. This however shows that when running on one thread, the HTC HD2's cpu is much more powerful while software decoding video under vital player. I suppose once the roms and kernel's get more perfected, I suppose the Atrix will perform better. The down side is that's not going to happen for some time.
Your thoughts would be highly appreciated.
ATRIX @ EternityProject kernel, android 2.3.4, stock
- Maximum Available frequency @ 1210Mhz
HTC HD2 @ Rafpigna's 2.0, android 2.3.3, stock
- Maximum Available frequency @ 1536Mhz
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Cool story bro

HD2 wins
Yeah,
I have an atrix and an HD2 with nexus s rom on it. I found the HD2 better in anyways than the atrix, the hd2 is very very smoot compared to the atrix.........
maybe motorola did not a good job in software optimization.....
I have last official rom

It requires more power because your running it at a higher resolution...

I have both the phones
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installed cm7 and eternityproject kernel for 1100mhz. Same result. Couldn't maintain stable playback until 912Mhz. I'll reconvert the video into a universal 720x480 one at a 16:9 pan and scan and the other at a 5:3 pan and scan. I may even do a universal standard video to just compare the two devices.

you need to take into account the fact that the atrix is also driving a larger screen regardless of the video resolution. this is like comparing an orange to a fork.

1chris89 said:
installed cm7 and eternityproject kernel for 1100mhz. Same result. Couldn't maintain stable playback until 912Mhz. I'll reconvert the video into a universal 720x480 one at a 16:9 pan and scan and the other at a 5:3 pan and scan. I may even do a universal standard video to just compare the two devices.
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Since when could you run cm7 with kholks kernel?
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Since when could you run cm7 with kholks kernel?
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One cannot use Kholk's Kernel and CM7 together. This is correct.
He seems slightly like he is trolling as well.

This comparison really matters because most people under clock their phones when watching videos, amirite?
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This comparison really matters because most people under clock their phones when watching videos, amirite?
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No no, his point is valid. If the other device can play the same video at 652mhz and our at 912mhz, ours drains more battery while doing the same thing.
He still hasn't actually proven this anyways.

diedemus said:
you need to take into account the fact that the atrix is also driving a larger screen regardless of the video resolution. this is like comparing an orange to a fork.
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i loled
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nexxusty said:
One cannot use Kholk's Kernel and CM7 together. This is correct.
He seems slightly like he is trolling as well.
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+1 troll.
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I'd like to point that the player used in op's test is not mentioned. As i posted in the best video player thread, i tried all video players mentioned in there and NONE was able to play correctly 2-3 test videos i tried, except for one, dice player. Plays 720p FLAWLESSLY! No choppiness, no out of sync, nothing. I am realy amazed! Please do try it and report back. It's a paid app, but has a 3day trial version. The player you use makes a huge difference. As if developers don't yet know how to take full advantage of tegra's capabilities in playing videos? Anyway, my new player, DICE!
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Op said he used vital player pro.
Mx video player performs pretty well on everything I've thrown at it so far and its free
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diedemus said:
Op said he used vital player pro.
Mx video player performs pretty well on everything I've thrown at it so far and its free
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Hmm you're right i missed that, guess too eager to reply. But i insist on testing with dice. Mx is no match trust me plus it pixelizes a bit my videos and ruins the quality.
Wow i just tried vital and it reaaly struggles to keep sync, hopeless to say the least.

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you need to take into account the fact that the atrix is also driving a larger screen regardless of the video resolution. this is like comparing an orange to a fork.
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well fork the orange and see what kind of pulp you get (maybe a new ROM?)

Vital player pro is by far the best player I have used. It plays almost every format. Unlike other players. Anyway, using hardware decode on both devices you can run the bare minimum frequency and run flawlessly. However under software decode it uses raw cpu power and not the gpu ie (adreno on the hd2 and the nvidia tegra 2 on the atrix). I encoded a fresh new movie using AVC h264 mp4 video at a 2,000kbps video bitrate, 720x480 with an auto aspect ratio letterbox at 23.97fps, AAC audio at 48,000khz and 128kbps. I ran the tests of both devices and the results were very interesting! The htc hd2 was able to software decode with no problem at an astounding 537Mhz! Anything lower resulted in terrible audio sync issues and stuttering. I then ran the test on the atrix with very interesting results as well! The atrix was unable to decode stutter free at anything below 912Mhz!!! I suppose it comes down to the cpu not being designed to efficiently decode video in single threaded applications or software decode in general. However in combination with the devastating gpu power, all hell breaks lose and it would blow the doors of an hd2 in a balls to the wall full hardware comparison. However the atrix performs poorly in a single threaded application using software decoding. The hd2 is a beast when it comes to software decoding with it's beastly single thread. Just for your information both devices are able to decode the video in hardware mode at there minimum allowable frequencies perfectly. What I honestly suspect being the culprit is the fact that the kernel has not been perfected and it still highly based off of motoral's kernel with minor modifications. Once a fresh kernel is built from scratch and perfected for at least 6 months of release builds, then we will see the atrix outperforming the hd2 under this type of test. I believe Motorola intended people to rely on hardware decoding which is ideal since the cpu power doesn't really matter.
Hope you guy's like the tests.
Later
Atrix on a honeycomb blur rom w/ faux123 kernel (atrix cm7 rom had no effect on this test)
HD2 on a cm7 rom with rafpigna's 2.0 kernel