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im seriously considering upgrade changing to a Dopod pro818 but i have a question, i enjoy using my mini as a portable media player using TCPMP with max FPS per compression, if i make FPS 29.97+128kbps audio, will this run smoothly like in my mini or will the 200mhz cpu have problems for media play? i dnt wana get the unit then later finding out that i cant play my favorite movies and videos
those with this unit pls put in some feedback so i can weigh my options
if you encode 320x240 with 29.97fps and 128kbps sound, it is no problem playing on the prophet.
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If you usaually use device for movies & songs, I did not suggest to upgrade Prophet device. Prophet was not good at handling multimedia functions, like movie. I suggest you might look for Atom with 416MHz speed instead of OMAP device.
Or wait for new product update from HTC soon.............
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victorlam said:
If you usaually use device for movies & songs, I did not suggest to upgrade Prophet device. Prophet was not good at handling multimedia functions, like movie. I suggest you might look for Atom with 416MHz speed instead of OMAP device.
Or wait for new product update from HTC soon.............
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hmmm I'm not so sure. I have gone from the Jam (400mhz) to the Prophet (200mhz), which is a step down in processor speed. I used both for watching movies, music etc. I have found the Prophet to be perfectly acceptable. I watch them using 29 fps 320x240 128kps and it's fine. I have even watched a fully blown divx (700mb) film and it was fine. Maybe there are small artefacts that I'm not noticing, I really couldn't say but if you find it's a big difference in price then perhaps the Prophet is you best option. Obviously if price is not a problem then the Atom is the way to go.
ps. Also bear in mind that you can overclock the omap processor.
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ps. Also bear in mind that you can overclock the omap processor.
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keep in mind, that not all OMAP processor can achieve 300MHz...
even, it can render your device became useless...
The OMAP Processor have some issues with Windows Media Player 10... But TCPMP plays just great on the OMAP 200Mhz processor.
I even watch my movies and videos while using my Plantronics Stereo Headset and A2DP... No lags, no skips... Silky smooth video and audio.
Best regards,
Rayan
320x240, 29.997fps, 128kbit audio - performs great and without any overclocking.
playing a full-blown Divx at full quality requires some overclocking though.
I have even streamed a film over wi-fi without problems, however it needed overclocking too.
Hey all.
So the HTC Touch Diamond has a VGA screen. How can I get it to play VGA quality videos? or is this not possible? I would of thought it would be with its own graphics processor and decent cpu. I have tried .mp4 at 512kbits 640x480, but struggle more than 7 or 8 fps. It works good enough at half the resolution, but is still dropping some frames. Not as good at video playback as some reviews would have me believe.
I am using TCPMP , which has been modified to work with Windows Mobile 6.1
Many thanks.
Gary.
Well, I have played some movies that have higher resolution than 640x480 with -very- smooth framerates in CorePlayer (easily over 20 fps).
Specifically: HellBoy Sword of Storms, Eagle vs. Shark.
No problems at all.
HTC Touch Pro.
Yep, i have high res files playing in coreplayer as well (touch pro). coreplayer doesnt fully support diamond (or touch pro) so it can only get better in the future
Taken from Coreplayers site, this looks good:
GPU support: Intel 2700g, ->ATI Imageon<-, QTv, Marvell Monahan Processors
CPU Support: ARM9, ->ARM11<-, MIPS
Both the processor and gpu will be used really well on our diamonds/touch pros.
coreplayer works fine for me in vids much higher than the screen res, you must be doing something wrong or that "hack" to make the player work in 6.1 really isn't a good idea
Ok, thanks for all your replies. What format are you using to get decent fps with Coreplayer, and what bit rate normally?
Its a shame coreplayer do not have a trial version, so I want to be pretty certain first that it will work.
TCPMP hasnt been developed for a few years i dont think so that might also not help.
Well i splashed for Coreplayer anyway, but I still get rubbish fps
.AVI (xvid) 640x480, 24fps, 748kbits.
Am I using the wrong codec?
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Well i splashed for Coreplayer anyway, but I still get rubbish fps
.AVI (xvid) 640x480, 24fps, 748kbits.
Am I using the wrong codec?
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24fps!?
That's supposed to be quite good (100% for most movie rips).
Using Coreplayer, VGA .avi videos play very smoothly on my diamond as long as I'm not using A2DP. Once I pop on my Jabra BT8010, the high res vids start to skip a little. I hope Coreplayer fixes that up soon!
Hmmm, could one of you do a favour please?
Go to http://www.madagascarmovie.com/
Click on trailers
Download the PSP version of the trailer, and then try to play that on your HTC Touch Diamond. It won't even play that for me Then let me know if it works fine for you or not. I get alot of tearing and skipping. I have gone as low as 640x480 avi at 512kbits and its still jolting around and skipping. I have used all the different types of rendering, and currently have Coreplayer 1.25
Not the good playback I was expecting
Thanks
Gary
After some tweaking around with the bitpool and some searching, I've gotten the A2DP performance hit down to a minimum.
Bitpool: 58
Maximum Bitpool: 80
That seems to reduce the stuttering when playing VGA vids using coreplayer. They still stutter a little during some demanding action scenes when using A2DP, but the stutter is much better and the audio and video are in sync.
Once Coreplayer is optimized for the Diamond, this thing is going to scream!
Overall, I'm pretty impressed with this little phone.
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Taken from Coreplayers site, this looks good:
GPU support: Intel 2700g, ->ATI Imageon<-, QTv, Marvell Monahan Processors
CPU Support: ARM9, ->ARM11<-, MIPS
Both the processor and gpu will be used really well on our diamonds/touch pros.
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What version include this ?? or is just for a future version ??
And what is the GPU that comes with diamond ?? that "ati Imageon" ??
TY
So there are no video apps that are currently programmed to use HTC Touch Diamonds fancy bits? like the graphics processor etc?
use the divx labs divx player!!! lol
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Hmmm, could one of you do a favour please?
Go to http://www.madagascarmovie.com/
Click on trailers
Download the PSP version of the trailer, and then try to play that on your HTC Touch Diamond. It won't even play that for me Then let me know if it works fine for you or not. I get alot of tearing and skipping. I have gone as low as 640x480 avi at 512kbits and its still jolting around and skipping. I have used all the different types of rendering, and currently have Coreplayer 1.25
Not the good playback I was expecting
Thanks
Gary
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OK, I did what you said and I ran the video in Coreplayer benchmark mode. The best I could get was 70%. Perhaps it's the h264 format that is so demanding?
The more I use the Diamond the more I get dissapointed.
Hi, I'm having the same problem on my Touch Pro (i'd post in the TP forums, but no app/software category there), however I don't have Core Player because I won't pay for something if I can't see if it works first.
My question though is: Are there any similar movie file players like Core Player that are free?
(sorry if this was a bit off-topic, and I've tried searching but did not find anything useful)
If I see correct, madagascar is h.264 coded. It's a codec that is used to prepare hd video(b-r,hd-dvd etc.). It needs a powerfull processor or a hardware acceleration from graphic card. Some of new computers have problem with decoding it (i.e. with embaded video chip) and you're trying to play it on diamond. The 70% you're getting is a great score.
I have Coreplayer v 1.1.0 Build 1408
I get some lag for my music videos I have on my phone.
File Size: 78,924KB
Video Size: 640 * 480
Frame Rate: 29.970
is there a reason why it's laggy?
Why don't you try the latest build which is v1.2.5 I believe.
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Why don't you try the latest build which is v1.2.5 I believe.
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Just updated and still has the same problem, maybe it's the file that is the issue.
Hi all,
what others thing about Xperia's performance? I have it with original En ROM and it seems like not good performance, because when im playing some videos from youtube i can see missong frames, or some another videos with for ex. played in CorePlayer then it is slow like on an old PC, in CorePlayer it has to be set on medium quality to get videos playable 25fps
Help me please...
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Hi all,
what others thing about Xperia's performance? I have it with original En ROM and it seems like not good performance, because when im playing some videos from youtube i can see missong frames, or some another videos with for ex. played in CorePlayer then it is slow like on an old PC, in CorePlayer it has to be set on medium quality to get videos playable 25fps
Help me please...
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I see dropped frames on YouTube on my 3GHz PC too, so this is not hardware limitataion, could be streaming error.
Coreplayer is being developed, a new version is said to have the hardware acceleration for Qualcomm chipset, we just have to wait
But those movies on youtube are ok, on PC no error, streaming ok
to the coreplayer, on my old FSC N560 the same movie gets about 3mbps in bench. in high quality, on Xperia it gets about 2mbps on medium quality
Now i tryied on N560 some MKV video with 5mbit datarate, it is quite slow, but watchable on medium quality, on xperia not at all...
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I see dropped frames on YouTube on my 3GHz PC too, so this is not hardware limitataion, could be streaming error.
Coreplayer is being developed, a new version is said to have the hardware acceleration for Qualcomm chipset, we just have to wait
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change settings to h.264 medium quality for youtube movies. the playback is great. I just experience the problem at the end of the movie when it trys to reload and that crashes my phone. I have to take the battery out. Try it, it might work for you.
OK, and what to set in Zenyee's YouTube? Because there i have the same problem
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change settings to h.264 medium quality for youtube movies. the playback is great. I just experience the problem at the end of the movie when it trys to reload and that crashes my phone. I have to take the battery out. Try it, it might work for you.
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I don't know because I could never get it to work properly (to be honest I do not even know what to install and what not - i am having problems with landscape mode). You really should try the coreplayer settings. apparently what i am experiencing is not a common bug, perhaps i have something installed or sth, will have to do a hard reset when i have more time and try again.
Settings in CorePlayer offcourse hepled, thanx a lot for that...Now it will be nice if some CorePanel is lol...
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I don't know because I could never get it to work properly (to be honest I do not even know what to install and what not - i am having problems with landscape mode). You really should try the coreplayer settings. apparently what i am experiencing is not a common bug, perhaps i have something installed or sth, will have to do a hard reset when i have more time and try again.
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But those movies on youtube are ok, on PC no error, streaming ok
to the coreplayer, on my old FSC N560 the same movie gets about 3mbps in bench. in high quality, on Xperia it gets about 2mbps on medium quality
Now i tryied on N560 some MKV video with 5mbit datarate, it is quite slow, but watchable on medium quality, on xperia not at all...
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My old Mio558 plays HDTV videos watchable too, the X1 is the one that's missing hardware accelerating support in Coreplayer (and other players)
We'll see what comes with new CorePlayer...
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My old Mio558 plays HDTV videos watchable too, the X1 is the one that's missing hardware accelerating support in Coreplayer (and other players)
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I cant seem to find a single video player in the Market that plays a range of formats, primarily wmv and avi that I have downloaded.
Any suggestions?
I have to make the commute to work a little more bearable since I broke my Sony e-reader...
i know that the 'rock player' plays avi and mkv files, have you tried that one?
Thanks for your reply, I just checked out rock player and it doesn't seem to work.... opens the video for a split second before closing it again...
I guess I'll keep looking.
Any dev looking to port VLC over to android?
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Thanks for your reply, I just checked out rock player and it doesn't seem to work.... opens the video for a split second before closing it again...
I guess I'll keep looking.
Any dev looking to port VLC over to android?
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oh thats strange, it works on my hero (they have different versions for different devices, make sure you downloaded the ARMv6 one)
but tbh its not great because theres a lag between the video and the audio, most probably because of the hero's slower processor. i'm looking for a good video player as well
Hmm.. Rock Player started to work by itself.. kinda.
Plays the video for about 15 seconds (very choppy, even after all tasks killed and using a blank Sense Scene) and then freezes the phone, have to remove the battery..
Have u overclocked?
My hero wouldnt run RockPlayer on 691MHz as MAX. Had to down it to 652.
in the end i deleted it, since the video was choppy. i guess the processor just isnt up to handling large video + i hate ruining films on a small screen.
there are some forum posts on VLC Forum about porting to Android... i think the conclusion was that it wasnt going to happen?
My phone is indeed overclocked, to 672Mhz.
I'll try messing around with the OC settings and see if it makes a difference.
I know the processor is *only* 528MHz (stock), but I remember watching videos perfectly well on my Packard Bell 166Mhz, 32mb RAM, 2mb Video card pc...
I think Android should be doing a LOT better with with handling Video, see my post in the "Android 2.3?" thread...
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I know the processor is *only* 528MHz (stock), but I remember watching videos perfectly well on my Packard Bell 166Mhz, 32mb RAM, 2mb Video card pc...
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There is a significant difference between the low quality avi files of the past and the h264 mkv content of today. Some of the recent files require a minimum of a 2GHz processor to run (understandably 1080p content, but still). And lets not forget about the instruction sets which provide desktop cpu's with a boost in those areas. Furthermore, considering your phone only has a cpu and no dedicated or otherwise gpu it isn't all that surprising.
Even running an average quality dvd rip avi file my CPU is running at between 15-25% and I have an overclocked dual core 3.33GHz intel cpu E7300 (25% is roughly 833MHz). Not to mention GPU usage, which at this time I can't be bothered to record.
I understand that this is not definitive evidence but I am using it to show that you are simplifying the problem. TV shows and movies that are ripped now have much higher quality resolutions and bitrates than those of the past, it is not surprising that they require higher processing power. Realistically a 528MHz low power phone cpu is unlikely to be able to keep up with these improvements. Just like the low power Intel Atom desktop chips fail to run 1080p video (even the dual core one) running somewhere in excess of 1GHz (think its 1.6GHz).
That wasn't meant to be such a huge rant...
HAHA! I know I totally simplified it but I guess I was just trying to say that a smart phone in 2010 should be able to handle video with no problems...
My upgrade is due in January, so new handset here I come!
Will be funny to see the (still awesome, despite my rant) HTC Hero become my backup phone...
Hello DHD owners
I've got my DHD today. I'm familiar with Android as I have used Leo and Desire with same OS. Now I really like the screen on DHD! I want to convert movies and other epic movies/clips I have on my PC. Last year I've ripped all my DVDs to my external hardrive.
Which settings and converter program is best?
Size is not a big deal, 32GB here, quality matters
I'm on costum ROM, overclocked to 1,5GHz. Just so make clear I won't have any issues with playback for lager file sizes. I remember I had this on my Leo while I was on WINMO. :/
Thanks for your time
Sent from my Desire HD
Haha same. The HD2 was the only WinMo phone I actually enjoyed using! Hmmmm well you can convert videos in either 800x480 or 720p, as the Desire HD can playback both. However our phone has a screen res of 800x480, so best to go with the native res. Anyways, for high quality, I always use MP4 video format. Codec, Mp4 or h264. Bitrate, CBR. Approx. 1500kbps. Sound, 128-320kbps. You can also crop video to remove black bars, that's your choice. My arsenal of video converters includes: Pinnacle Studio, AVS, and most of the time DVDPean and Xilisoft Video Converter Ultimate. Hope I helped
Note, too high values for audio and video bitrate can cause your device to lag. Keeping your phone OC'd above 1.22ghz while watching a video for 1hr plus may severely overheat your phone.
I found this app. Free Video to Android Converter
It looks a little silly, and nags you everytime you exit, but it makes beautiful movies at native res (800x480) from just about any format (avi,mp4,mkv,mov,wmv). It's also a bit slow, due to only using 1 core (I got 8 on i7).
All converted movies can play in the default player, with hardware decoding of course.
The settings I use is the preset for HTC Desire, Nexus One. Havent had to try any other formats.
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Haha same. The HD2 was the only WinMo phone I actually enjoyed using! Hmmmm well you can convert videos in either 800x480 or 720p, as the Desire HD can playback both. However our phone has a screen res of 800x480, so best to go with the native res. Anyways, for high quality, I always use MP4 video format. Codec, Mp4 or h264. Bitrate, CBR. Approx. 1500kbps. Sound, 128-320kbps. You can also crop video to remove black bars, that's your choice. My arsenal of video converters includes: Pinnacle Studio, AVS, and most of the time DVDPean and Xilisoft Video Converter Ultimate. Hope I helped
Note, too high values for audio and video bitrate can cause your device to lag. Keeping your phone OC'd above 1.22ghz while watching a video for 1hr plus may severely overheat your phone.
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I play games on my phone @ 1,5Ghz Or, I did on my Leo. It did get pretty hot(!) but never caused a damage. So I think it will be safe Atleast, I hope so
I'll try this settings when I get home. I do a bit video editing, I usually use Sony Vegeas PRO. You can check here, I have only one video on this account, but few more in my other. www.youtube.com/user/ITuNaYI
I'll check if I can do it with Sony Vegas PRO!
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I found this app. Free Video to Android Converter
It looks a little silly, and nags you everytime you exit, but it makes beautiful movies at native res (800x480) from just about any format (avi,mp4,mkv,mov,wmv). It's also a bit slow, due to only using 1 core (I got 8 on i7).
All converted movies can play in the default player, with hardware decoding of course.
The settings I use is the preset for HTC Desire, Nexus One. Havent had to try any other formats.
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I'll check this as well when I get home
i think format factory is the way to go, just use native resolution 800 x 480
Looool! Damn I miss GTA IV...so fun when first released, now everyone's on COD
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Looool! Damn I miss GTA IV...so fun when first released, now everyone's on COD
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lol
I still play GTA IV, have done that for 3 years now. And there is a few pro players left. But it is like, everyone knows everybody. I also do have CoD BO, but not fun as GTA IV. Sub for more vids
DHD native player doesn't play flv format. Unconverted 700Mb video doesn't play smoothly on my DHD. It seems to lag badly.
I have no problems playing video's on my DHD.
It's still stock and i use Rockplayer to play video's.
I download a TV-show from the internets and i put it on my phone and it plays almost without lag.
Okay, guys, I'm back now. I had to flash a new ROM as it did not support HQ video playback. Now, I'm on Android Revolution HD, with LeeDroid Kernel. Overclocked to 2Ghz (!) I'm getting exlent performance.
I had totally forgot that I had Any Video Converter Professional, bought years ago. However, I'm now converthing a 1h 16m long Top Gear epsiode, just to give it a try.
Settings are;
Video Codec: mpeg4
800x480
Video Bitrate: 2500 (just testing it out )
Video Framrate: 25 (what do you think? This is default, should I change it?)
Audio Bitrate: 320
Sample Rate: 44100 (?)
EDIT!
I've rolled back to 1,2Ghz, as I did really not see any big improvment @ 2Ghz. Heat vs. performance ratio is not worth it.
However, I'm still converting that video. The problem is that the output file is about 1GB now And the input is 699 MB
It must be the high video bitrate!
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The quality is amazing! The final size was 1,44GB. But it is just perfect! I'm now converting even more
yet another UPDATE:
The avi files I have converted is in amazing quality. Now I'm converthing a Blueray movie. Lets see how this ends up