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So the Google Nexus One site says there is a Verizon Nexus One coming in the spring. Does that mean if we buy the unlocked version we will be able to use it on Sprint or are there some frequency issues to worry about?
Historically, Sprint only allows Sprint-sold phones on their network. They whitelist the serial numbers.
If you watched the press release, it will not be a "Verizon Nexus One". It is a spot in the "Google Phone Store" for the Droid and Future Android Handsets. Verizon simply doesn't support GSM, given they have a Global Blackberry or two.
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If you watched the press release, it will not be a "Verizon Nexus One". It is a spot in the "Google Phone Store" for the Droid and Future Android Handsets. Verizon simply doesn't support GSM, given they have a Global Blackberry or two.
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Looks like it is coming to Verizon to me:
https://www.google.com/phone/choose?locale=en_US&s7e=
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Looks like it is coming to Verizon to me:
https://www.google.com/phone/choose?locale=en_US&s7e=
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I'll go back later and find the text from the live blog that gdgt had going. I am 98% sure they specifically say Morotorla Droid. Hard to make a GSM phone run on a CDMA network. The Global phones typically have 2 radios for that reason.
But then again, I maybe wrong. We do have a CDMA Hero.
Maybe i was wrong. Looked at the Tech specs and saw:
GSM/EDGE (850, 900, 1800, 1900 MHz)
Says it has an Edge radio....Nifty I guess...to bad I despise Verizon with every fiber of my being.
Edge is GSM. Verizon uses EVDO like Sprint (in fact Sprint roams on Verizon). The Verizon Nexus One will be a different model for CDMA, like the GSM and CDMA Hero. If you're going to hate, hate Sprint for not allowing outside devices to be activated on their network. They're forcing device lock-in, and inhibiting competition. I also despise Verizon with every fiber of my being.
From http://www.google.com/support/android/bin/answer.py?answer=166507:
We are working hard to provide Nexus One phones optimized for the Verizon network - please stay tuned. The Nexus One for Verizon will not be a GSM device, so it will not be compatible with T-Mobile, AT&T, or other GSM networks.
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Edge is GSM. Verizon uses EVDO like Sprint (in fact Sprint roams on Verizon). The Verizon Nexus One will be a different model for CDMA, like the GSM and CDMA Hero. If you're going to hate, hate Sprint for not allowing outside devices to be activated on their network. They're forcing device lock-in, and inhibiting competition. I also despise Verizon with every fiber of my being.
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Sadly this is how Free Markets function. Then again, I make good money because of it. Not to start a political debate.
Read this Tweet from HTC source...
http://twitter.com/HTCSource/status/7412954126
Summary, 2.1 posibly not coming for 1st Gen phones due to 3D issues
Looks to me like some hardware will be getting swapped come springtime. I would imagine they'll try to keep the form factor as similar as possible, and just put a CDMA radio in the body. Hello CDMA Nexus One. Now, the question really would be, will Sprint allow it on their network? Seems unlikely at first, but possible.
Hey, Motorola did it with the Droid/Milestone (same form factor vs. the different designs of the Hero), so who's to say there isn't a CDMA Nexus One in the works by HTC?
daveli said:
Read this Tweet from HTC source...
http://twitter.com/HTCSource/status/7412954126
Summary, 2.1 posibly not coming for 1st Gen phones due to 3D issues
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Does the Sprint Hero count as a 1st Gen phone? Or are they mostly talking about the G1?
That would suck if we didn't get the update.
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Does the Sprint Hero count as a 1st Gen phone? Or are they mostly talking about the G1?
That would suck if we didn't get the update.
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I am not going to say YES I'm completely sure, but it concerns me that we have the same processor (ARM 11 528 MHz) as the G1 (the definite 1st gen device)
It's not looking very promising..
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I am not going to say YES I'm completely sure, but it concerns me that we have the same processor (ARM 11 528 MHz) as the G1 (the definite 1st gen device)
It's not looking very promising..
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The Hero is most definitely a first gen device. The 2nd gen devices are the ones with 2.x already and the ones with the OMAP from Droid or the Snapdragon. We just don't have the processing power.
HTC has already confirmed that we are getting 2.1. twitter.com/HTCSource is NOT an official HTC account.
Originally Posted by twitter.com/htc
Anybody notice the clarification from @sprint? Hero on Sprint will not be getting 2.0...it will get 2.1
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twitter.com/HTCSource is NOT an official HTC account.
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That's a very good point
I sure do hope Sprint allows this device to be used on their network...I think it would be a huge mistake if they didn't...I really want this device...I think it can be a definite competitor of the iPhone...
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I sure do hope Sprint allows this device to be used on their network.
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Don't hold your breath, they've never done it before. It would be a major shift in strategy for them. They even blacklist serial numbers of their own phones once they've been reported lost or stolen. Those serial numbers can never again be activated on the Sprint network. I see no reason why they would change policy and undercut their own handset sales to momentarily win a continuous "who's newest" cat and mouse game.
All i care about is that 3.7inch screen and that 1ghz snapdragon processor..and once it comes out for verizon the folks at mobile dot files are likely to find meid/esn solutions for it since its an htc device
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meid/esn solutions
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I'm not going there...
Plus, you can't get TEP (or whatever Sprint calls their insurance these days) on a non-Sprint phone. TEP was a big selling point for me to go with the Hero (and Sprint) vs. the iPhone, as I came from a rubber-encapsulated "dumb" phone. I can't believe I even considered the iPhone, sigh.
Despite lacking the latest 1GHz or 1.3GHz chips & bigger 4.3" screen seen on other soon-to-be-released devices, the Desire Z turned into my attention because I've been eagerly waiting for the next HTC phone with keyboard *and* decent screen/chip
But as expected, the Desire Z, is being launched with 900/2100 MHz 3G bands only, as near every new HTC phone does
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Any news or rumours of an american bands (850/1900) users friendly version soon ??
May Telstra or AT&T could be carrying it too ??
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Why is HTC always "avoiding" those bands when launching a new phone ??
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Despite lacking the latest 1GHz or 1.3GHz chips & bigger 4.3" screen seen on other soon-to-be-released devices, the Desire Z turned into my attention because I've been eagerly waiting for the next HTC phone with keyboard *and* decent screen/chip
But as expected, the Desire Z, is being launched with 900/2100 MHz 3G bands only, as near every new HTC phone does
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Any news or rumours of an american bands (850/1900) users friendly version soon ??
May Telstra or AT&T could be carrying it too ??
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Why is HTC always "avoiding" those bands when launching a new phone ??
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A1: No, the Desire Z is a Europe and Asia only phone. The G2 is the American version and is for T-Mobile. And I highly doubt that they will be making a Desire Z version for the states like they did with Cellular South which came about 6 months after the initial European launch.
A2: Haha, HTC are not 'always avoiding' those bands when launching, it comes down to your carriers over in the states always demanding exclusivity for devices so that's why they are not coming out with those bands.
My tip, move to Europe where the carrier doesn't dictate what phones you can get
So I haven't ran across much talk on the cellular south desire. I'm thinking about a upgrade next month from my hero. Just wondering is it worth it?
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I read recently (probably on the Whirlpool forums) that the Desire HD has been picked up by Vodafone and Three, and that we might be able to infer that the Desire Z will go to Telstra and Optus.
During a support call with Telstra (regarding their stubborn refusal to start offering OTA updates, or even acknowledge that it's both technically feasible and being used overseas), I asked them about the Desire Z and all they would say is that they don't have a department that responds to questions about future devices. /shrug
Guess we'll find out when everyone else does.
I too have been waiting impatiently for HTC's next NAM 3G qwerty, I'm still holding on with my HTC Dream lol
This is the only lead we have so far on a HTC Desire Z with NAM 3G:
Not much to go by but it's a bit of hope.
http://mobilesyrup.com/2010/09/18/htc-desire-z-leather-case-pops-up-in-best-buy-canada-inventory/
HTC said it will be arriving in "North America" later this year, whatever that means, we can only speculate, but it would make sense if they made a 850/1900 3G version would it with one of Canada's big 3 (Bell, Telus, Rogers - all operating on 3G 850/1900)?
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But as expected, the Desire Z, is being launched with 900/2100 MHz 3G bands only, as near every new HTC phone does
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Any news or rumours of an american bands (850/1900) users friendly version soon ??
May Telstra or AT&T could be carrying it too ??
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Why is HTC always "avoiding" those bands when launching a new phone ??
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Nearly every phone? I'm sorry, under which rock in America have you just emerged from? The MT Slide isn't even released outside of America. The Hero is 3 different flavours depending on your carrier. You have the HTC Evo which is the version before the Desire HD with extremely similar specs, the Droid incredible that can only be had through Verizon and now the Desire plus the G2 which is the T-Mobile version of the Desire Z not to mention America had exclusive rights to the Nexus One for months.
It wouldn't make much financial sense for HTC to make a NextG specific version just for Telstra because the market isn't big enough here. An American carrier (AT&T) would have to pick it up as well but then they are going to insist on exclusive rights and blah blah blah and at the end of it it would just end up with Bing or Yahoo on it anyway.
Avoiding bands..... um look at my first response, oh and the Legend is making its way to America as well.
Let me disagree
Your statement is valid for USA only, not for America
Those phones you mention are T-Mobile or Verizon only
Those are USA operators running over very particular bands (1700 MHz and CDMA)
The UMTS (WCDMA) 850/1900 MHz bands are what I am talking about
These bands are widely used from canada to central/south america and the caribbean, plus australia
You will rarely see a 3G-quadband (or at least 3G 850/1900MHz) new phone coming out from HTC, no, they all come with 3G 900/2100
Then, some months after, they *may* release an american/australian version of *that* new phone
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I didn't realise this, but we have a new iPhone4 in the office for testing, and the version sold here in Australia has support for all the 3G bands used here. That means this single device can have a Telstra NextG SIM, and then be swapped for an Optus SIM and still get full 3G speeds.
Makes me wish Android manufacturers would go the extra mile and make more devices like this. It definitely makes life easy for the consumer, although does strip carriers of some of their lock-in powers (so I can see why they wouldn't like it).
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May Telstra or AT&T could be carrying it too ??
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You probably know already, but...:
http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=2597&view=1&c=htc_desire_z_us_htc_vision
Thanks, yeah, pdadb is my primary source
Lets hope to see some news from att, rogers, telus, telstra or HTC themselves soon
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Hi, I'm wondering is it worth it to splash $50 to buy an used Evo after selling my HD2? The thing is I want Android with 4.3" screen but I don't know if Android on HD2 is good enough compared to a real Android phone. So what do you think? Would there be a perfect Android ROM that'd make HD2 the same as any Android phone? One more factor to consider, my country doesn't support 4G. Thanks.
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Hi, I'm wondering is it worth it to splash $50 to buy an used Evo after selling my HD2? The thing is I want Android with 4.3" screen but I don't know if Android on HD2 is good enough compared to a real Android phone. So what do you think? Would there be a perfect Android ROM that'd make HD2 the same as any Android phone? One more factor to consider, my country doesn't support 4G. Thanks.
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Your country needs to support CDMA to use the EVO, IT IS NOT GSM COMPATIBLE!
If you would like an Android GSM phone with a 4.3'' screen, why not go for the HTC Desire HD?
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Your country needs to support CDMA to use the EVO, IT IS NOT GSM COMPATIBLE!
If you would like an Android GSM phone with a 4.3'' screen, why not go for the HTC Desire HD?
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yes, of course i'm aware of that. desire hd is not an option because it's not released yet here and even if it is, the price is out of my range.
"desire hd is not an option because it's not released yet here"
Well, your country doesn't have any CDMA network. And... The EVO 4G is available ?
The real question : do you need a phone for calling ? >> Yes or no ?
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"desire hd is not an option because it's not released yet here"
Well, your country doesn't have any CDMA network. And... The EVO 4G is available ?
The real question : do you need a phone for calling ? >> Yes or no ?
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my country indeed has a CDMA network. used one myself. what my country doesn't have is a 4g network. people buy evo from other countries. it's not officially released.
having used an evo i can tell you the is little to no speed difference. If you dont mind wating for the issues we're currently having with android to be resolved then no it isnt worth it. If you cant wait any longer then go for the evo.
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my country indeed has a CDMA network. used one myself. what my country doesn't have is a 4g network. people buy evo from other countries. it's not officially released.
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CDMA networks operate in different bands in various parts of the world. you need to check with the local operator ( Pele....?) what bands he operates and buy only a compatible unit
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CDMA networks operate in different bands in various parts of the world. you need to check with the local operator ( Pele....?) what bands he operates and buy only a compatible unit
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yes i know. evo works in my country.
Just in case you talk about Pelephone (Israel), while the Evo should, indeed, be compatible with Pelephone's CDMA network, good luck convincing Pelephone to put you on it. And, while their CDMA network is currently fully operational, it kinda looks like they are more into their GSM one, and may eventually start killing the CDMA network off.
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Hi, I'm wondering is it worth it to splash $50 to buy an used Evo after selling my HD2? The thing is I want Android with 4.3" screen but I don't know if Android on HD2 is good enough compared to a real Android phone. So what do you think? Would there be a perfect Android ROM that'd make HD2 the same as any Android phone? One more factor to consider, my country doesn't support 4G. Thanks.
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first, have you tried android on hd2?...if not, try the mdeejay revolution 2.3 build...it is based on the evo kernel, works perfect
Hi all
I love my UK HD2 especially since i've put it on Android but unfortunately i have to get rid of it as the limitation on cellular bands is a problem....
Recently moved to Canada where the provider i use (fido/rogers) operates 3G on 850/1900Mhz. The UK HD2 unfortunately does it on 900/2100Mhz so it falls back to the 2G network (GSM) when in Canada which is terrible for speed.
I need a phone which can do 850/1900/2100Mhz which i believe the Samsung Galaxy S Captivate and the Dell Streak can do.
Wondered if anyone had any opinions on these android phones or other phones which might suit? I need something as close as poss to the HD2 with the large screen, slim design but something that runs android only. I dont like the Desire Z.
Appreciate any advice
Latz
As far as size goes you can't go wrong with the Dell Streak. Haven't read the reviews on that one yet but I have heard its a good phone. Myself, I would go with the Captivate if thats an option on Fido. Or see what other good Android phones they have. Really though, no matter the choice you'll find support on these boards. Hope your search goes well.
Cheers
Dell streak is big , but too big if you really want to use it as a phone, having personally used it, its way big when using it daily, plus you have to carry it in your hand, Captivate, Bell Vibrant or Desire(screen is small)
id say if u really love yer HD2 then get the telstra T9193 version. thats the same bands as AT&T, rogers, the telstra one works here for me just fine. i just bought mine off ebay thursday and picked it yesterday. guy was locally in chicago couldnt belive it!!
EDIT: i just sent u a link to one being sold in canada right now
Desire HD?
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Desire HD?
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When I was in Canada, March 2010, they were having a launch party for the HTC Hero. It had been out in the UK for months, after looking at the selection of phones in Fido, Rogers and Bell, I decided that Canada was at least three months behind the curve. Although, that's just my opinion.
In light of that, I'm unsure if the Desire HD is out in Canada, I'll ask the missus to have a look.
Thanks for all your suggestions, I need something that can do all 3 bands else it won't work when I go back to the UK :-( I think the Telstra version of the HD2 is band limited too so whilst it will work in Canada I'll have the same problem in reverse when I go back to the UK :-(
Why oh why did they limit these phones :-( :-(
Thanks for the suggestions, I'll look at all that you guys have suggested so far... I'll be really upset to leave HTC though.... I'll have a 'normal' phone :-(
Nokia N8 Pentaband, thats the phone you want
My Hero worked in the UK and Canada, but it's not a replacement for the HD2 by any means. I don't know what to suggest, except looking for the bands and typing them into Google, with your other specs. I know my friends Desire worked there too (I say Canada, I mean Vancouver specifically).
I'd say go for the Samsung Galaxy S. It's an awesome device and it doesn't seem to be riddled with hardware issues like every HTC phone seems to be lately. I think I'm switching my HD2 to one once I get it back from warranty repairs (third time this year, mind you). The only major thing with the Galaxy S is that the 3rd party software modifications can be a little retarded and the phone doesn't feel as solid physically as a HD2 for example.
Yes I must admit I'm growing more and more partial to the Samsung Galaxy range.... They have a 4" screen so I'm losing a little bit off our HD2 but not too much.
One thing I was concerened about was the benchmarking..... whilst I know this is not something of a real-world concern, it amazed me that the HD2 running Droid from the SD Card could manage no less than 35 MFLOPS compared to the Galaxy's Hummingbird... still spec'd as a 1ghz processor..... managed only 8 MFLOPS?
See article here:
http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/22/...ew-shootout-captivate-for-atandt-and-vibrant/
Hey everyone,
(TLDR: go to last paragraph)
I was recently on this part of XDA asking about how to root the HTC Merge. Upon realizing that Verizon is an evil company from hell and that even unlocking its SIM will only allow me to use Edge, I had to give it up to someone who could use it and take care of it.
Now I'm in a dilemma. I currently use the HTC Fuze (Raphael/Touch Pro) and I truly want to switch to android really badly. I was looking at the Desire Z, but upon playing with it (Tmo's G2), I realized that I did not like the hinge mechanism and the optical pad mechanism. I played with the G2 for a good hour (well, until the store employees started giving me the stink eye) and I thought I would get used to these quirks, but I didn't.
So finally, the question is, if you could not get the G2 or Desire Z and want to get a phone as close to it as possible to it on a GSM network, what would your choice be?
Cheers!
Wait for dual core phones.
Nothing, that's why I have it. There's not really any other decent options with a hardware keyboard. The hinge isn't bad once you realize it wasn't designed to be stiff, and I *rarely* use the optical trackpad (like, maybe once a month, other than to wake/unlock).
I knew the hinge was not designed to be stiff. I had issues with it because playing with it, i happen to flp the hinge close on my fingers a few times because of the movement of handling the z. BUT, I must stress this, this is nothing but my opinion and my quirks so I am in no way shape or form saying the desire Z sucks.
The Mytouch 4g is similar spec wise but lacks a hardware keyboard. It also runs a sense ui rom but you can change that of course if you plan on rooting the phone. Another option is the Mytouch Slide 3g. I just upgraded mine to the G2 but the slide is still a nice phone. It isn't as high end as the g2, but I found it runs well and did most of what I wanted it to. It's keyboard slides straight up and down, it doesn't pop out in anyway. It does also have an optical trackpad but I got used to it (I came from a G1 with a trackball). It can do flash lite but it needs to be on a sense rom to do so. You can probably find one for $150-$200 on craigslist or ebay. I'd recommend the G2 over the slide but if the keyboard really irks you then maybe check out the slide.
I think the best alternative to the G2 is the MyTouch 4G. It has a front-facing camera, which is a nice feature.
Also I just saw the Cliq 2. Didn't look to much into it but it looks like a high end keyboard android phone.
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I knew the hinge was not designed to be stiff. I had issues with it because playing with it, i happen to flp the hinge close on my fingers a few times because of the movement of handling the z. BUT, I must stress this, this is nothing but my opinion and my quirks so I am in no way shape or form saying the desire Z sucks.
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1) the ones in the store get mistreated by everyone who comes in.
2) the ones in the store are connected to a spring loaded tether.
3) the ones in the store get mistreated by everyone who comes in.
ahah yes i know dhkr, but because it gets mistreated by everyone who comes in, it gives an indication of how the phone will perform years down the line.
and yeah, that tether is a massive pain the rear.
Unfortunately, if you want a hardware keyboard, your options are extremely limited, no matter what carrier you're looking at.
If the keyboard isn't a factor, the MyTouch 4G isn't *bad* (my wife has one), but it's significantly more plasticky than the G2. Of course there's the Vibrant /4G, but I personally don't care for Samsung's smartphones. They're typically way too plasticky, and they have horrid post-sale support (witness the lack of Froyo for the Galaxy S line, for instance).
What about the Vision variant that has a slide instead of the Z hinge?
HTC Vision? I still haven't seen it. If it's the same specs, i'll take a gander at it.
EDIT: I thought the Vision is the Desire Z (hinge and all) I was never aware of a variant that is a slide out.
you could get the Cliq 2, but you probably won't get much xda support.
yeah, the cliq 2 is interesting but motoblur is the ultimate deal breaker. I think I'll just have to get the Desire Z. I heard the European version does not support 3G on american bands, so if i want full use of the desire Z in both Thailand and the US, i'll have to get the US version right? (the unbranded one I mean, not G2)
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yeah, the cliq 2 is interesting but motoblur is the ultimate deal breaker. I think I'll just have to get the Desire Z. I heard the European version does not support 3G on american bands, so if i want full use of the desire Z in both Thailand and the US, i'll have to get the US version right? (the unbranded one I mean, not G2)
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I don't thing HTC is selling the American Desire Z unlocked. I know that Telus (a Canadian carrier) has the Desire Z and you could buy it unlocked from them. I think Telus and AT&T have the same 3G bands. Or you could get the G2, but the only other carrier with the same 3G bands as T-Mobile US is WIND mobile in Canada.
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What about the Vision variant that has a slide instead of the Z hinge?
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The HTC Merge? that apparently was canceled on Verizon and it's coming to Alltel later.
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I don't thing HTC is selling the American Desire Z unlocked. I know that Telus (a Canadian carrier) has the Desire Z and you could buy it unlocked from them. I think Telus and AT&T have the same 3G bands. Or you could get the G2, but the only other carrier with the same 3G bands as T-Mobile US is WIND mobile in Canada.
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Well, apparently amazon claims that there's a NAM version that is unbranded. I don't trust it too much, but it has a model number and all that is different from the european version. I personally hate having carrier branding on my phone and especially carrier "customization" on it. I was hoping to get my hands on something that I will be able to make full use of in both countries.
besides. the cliq 2 looks like the The Thing (from Fantastic 4) would use.... hahaha
EDIT: Forgot to add. I got my hands on the Merge (the verizon one) for a few days when I tried to get it unlocked, but since I sold it to someone who uses Verizon, I can tell you that I'd take the merge over the Desire Z any day because it was physically the perfect phone for me. The slide out keyboard, the physical looks and the heft of it was perfect for me. Too bad it was for Verizon and you know what Verizon is like.....
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Well, apparently amazon claims that there's a NAM version that is unbranded. I don't trust it too much, but it has a model number and all that is different from the european version. I personally hate having carrier branding on my phone and especially carrier "customization" on it. I was hoping to get my hands on something that I will be able to make full use of in both countries.
besides. the cliq 2 looks like the The Thing (from Fantastic 4) would use.... hahaha
EDIT: Forgot to add. I got my hands on the Merge (the verizon one) for a few days when I tried to get it unlocked, but since I sold it to someone who uses Verizon, I can tell you that I'd take the merge over the Desire Z any day because it was physically the perfect phone for me. The slide out keyboard, the physical looks and the heft of it was perfect for me. Too bad it was for Verizon and you know what Verizon is like.....
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If the Amazon listing is straight from HTC I would trust it. And the Merge looks like a great phone. If only it was on T-Mobile
if it was on Tmobile, i'd snap it up so fast it would look like the road runner is going backwards at lightspeed.
but I still need to make sure I can get the Desire Z that can use 3G in both the US and asia..... is there a way to find that out?
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if it was on Tmobile, i'd snap it up so fast it would look like the road runner is going backwards at lightspeed.
but I still need to make sure I can get the Desire Z that can use 3G in both the US and asia..... is there a way to find that out?
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Which 3G bands are you referring to? If you want Tmobile 3G you have to get the G2. If you want AT&T 3G and international 3G get the AT&T Desire Z.