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If Windows Mobile 7 Was Properly Ported Onto HTC HD2 Would It Be The Same As HTC HD7?

I have had my HTC HD2 for around 5-6 months now. Though I'm happy with it and it has exceeded my expectations, I was thinking of upgrading it to WM7 when it's finally ported for the HD2.
What I would love to know is if the HD2 indeed had WM7 ported for it, would it run the SAME as it would on HTC HD7?
Reason I ask this is because I was planning on selling my HD2 and get the HD7.
However, both phones have the SAME screen size, same 1ghz processor, same ram & same 5mp camera, the HD7 only being 720p.
Why should I sell my old HD2 to buy the new one which is the SAME spec?
That is why I was asking if WM7 was ported onto the HD2, would it:
- Run as quick?
- Responsive, fast & smooth
- If it really will be ported, when can we expect the first rom or when should it be made for HD2

I am sure sooner or later wp7 will be cracked and ported for HD2. So we will have the same device with HD7 except the looks. Also we have some more hard buttons as an extra

Its not the same.....
It might be a very similar spec but the actual components will differ.
No ported OS will ever run as smoothly as it would on its intended device....
If you want a dedicated WP7 then you'll have to get one not wait for a port.

The fact that it is a user-made port, most likely running off SD card will mean it may be a little more sluggish than something designed natively for, and run natively on, a different device.
That's assuming the problems using Live services are overcome too

conantroutman said:
Its not the same.....
It might be a very similar spec but the actual components will differ.
No ported OS will ever run as smoothly as it would on its intended device....
If you want a dedicated WP7 then you'll have to get one not wait for a port.
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Doh that's what I thought!
Well I hope at least if a port does take place, it will perform almost as good as it does on the HD7, but we have to wait and see first when one is made and how it performs.

the camera is capable of 720p it lacks drivers

From my understanding as of right now. The phone will boot into WP7 but it will not have any live application functionality. Meaning the live hubs will not work so no it will not work just like a HD7.

I personally cannot understand the hardware choices they made for WP7. They are all the same spec as the HD2, and personally I'm not shelling out $500ish for the equivalent of a Software upgrade. I'd get all your use out of the HD2 first and wait for the next Hardware generation, unless WP7 really is a big deal for you.
Personally, as a big WinMob fan, I'm now running Android on my HD2, and worryingly I might not come back to MS. Android is exceeding all my expectations, and with no upgrade path to WP7, it's beginning to win my heart, despite my slight mistrust of Google.
If WP7 does come to HD2, the big problem now does appear to be the use of Live Services. Maybe Microsoft may soon relent and sell genuine Licence Keys (there's no sign of that - it's just my wish), but until then you'll probably be locked out of them.

I have had many phones: MDA, Wing, Omnia I900, Iphone 3G and now the HTC HD2. I have Android on my HD2 and use it all the time. Only reboot back into WM every so often.
Why would I or anyone else want WM7? I can make my phone look like WM7, an iPhone, etc. Do looks really matter? Every OS has it advantages and disadvantages.
Android apps are plentiful, cheap and very good. Does WM7 have as many apps?
Do I loose a little (whatever) using Android on my HD2? If I do I don't know what.
Should I buy a new Android phone? What would I gain?
Lets be realistic. The phone companies just love to put out new phones with minor tweeks so us 'suckers' keep them in business. Where does it end?
Personally I can see buying new, if there is that much more bang for the buck. Otherwise, get the value out of what you have. In IT what you buy today is always a day behind what comes out tomorrow.
JMHO!

i am going to ask you why do you want wp7? it's a huge step backwards for users in several key areas and to regain some of that functionality, you need to do several hacks to get wp7 to do what WM 6.5 can already do with ease.

anhyeuemmaimai said:
i am going to ask you why do you want wp7? it's a huge step backwards for users in several key areas and to regain some of that functionality, you need to do several hacks to get wp7 to do what WM 6.5 can already do with ease.
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I accually hate WP7 interface and software. Really. This is my personal opinion.

anhyeuemmaimai said:
i am going to ask you why do you want wp7? it's a huge step backwards for users in several key areas and to regain some of that functionality, you need to do several hacks to get wp7 to do what WM 6.5 can already do with ease.
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I couldn't agree with you more.

Cause of interest in wp7, I read many tests and user ratings and played with it a time. After all I would buy myself an iPhone( I hate it ) instead of any wp7 phones. Its the same rubbish like iOS but for iPhone you can get more funny and useless apps . Also if you like a fast and smooth UI, WM6.5 or Android would be a better choice. wp7 will not allow to be really individual with your phone...all phones are the same hardware in other shells with same unchangeable UI. There are many more disadvantages...you should may inform yourself one more time.
But when you already know all of this there is no chance to help you

ike2903 said:
Cause of interest in wp7, I read many tests and user ratings and played with it a time. After all I would buy myself an iPhone( I hate it ) instead of any wp7 phones. Its the same rubbish like iOS but for iPhone you can get more funny and useless apps . Also if you like a fast and smooth UI, WM6.5 or Android would be a better choice. wp7 will not allow to be really individual with your phone...all phones are the same hardware in other shells with same unchangeable UI. There are many more disadvantages...you should may inform yourself one more time.
But when you already know all of this there is no chance to help you
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How are people saying WinMo and Android have faster smoother UI. That is false

Thanks everyone for your input, views and opinions.
As some have said, htc just want us to shell out another $500 just to get wm7 which may or may not be worth it since it does have the same hardware as the current htc hd2 and as it's new, there is a lot less software/apps & with regards to compatability, many existing apps for windows mobile 6.5 will not work with wm7.
Since this is the case, maybe there is no point in even upgrading to wm7 or buying a wm7 phone...
Anyway my other phone is the HTC Desire HD running android 2.2 froyo so I have the best of both.

well ! when phone 7 will be ported to HD2 microsoft will release wino 8 lol!

kanej2006 said:
I have had my HTC HD2 for around 5-6 months now. Though I'm happy with it and it has exceeded my expectations, I was thinking of upgrading it to WM7 when it's finally ported for the HD2.
What I would love to know is if the HD2 indeed had WM7 ported for it, would it run the SAME as it would on HTC HD7?
Reason I ask this is because I was planning on selling my HD2 and get the HD7.
However, both phones have the SAME screen size, same 1ghz processor, same ram & same 5mp camera, the HD7 only being 720p.
Why should I sell my old HD2 to buy the new one which is the SAME spec?
That is why I was asking if WM7 was ported onto the HD2, would it:
- Run as quick?
- Responsive, fast & smooth
- If it really will be ported, when can we expect the first rom or when should it be made for HD2
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First of all everything the hd7 has the hd2 has the only major change from the devices is that they added a kickstand.
I for one think that if the hd7 has same hardware as hd2 then running wp7 on hd2 shouldn't really be a difference. In a matter of fact the hd2 runs android well compared to other android devices that were made to run it.

OP, I think you should stay with the HD2. I'd rather have the ability to run four different operating systems (relatively well) than run a single system slightly better.

anhyeuemmaimai said:
i am going to ask you why do you want wp7? it's a huge step backwards for users in several key areas and to regain some of that functionality, you need to do several hacks to get wp7 to do what WM 6.5 can already do with ease.
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Indeed. As a matter of fact, i just recently bought an HD2. not full price, less than 300 euros for a brand new unusued unscratched device with 1 y warranty.
I knew very well that W7 was coming out, even that the HD7 was soon to be out. But its the same phone. I like having extra buttons (hate 100% touch phones.. i like to press something when it becomes unresponsive ). I like Winmobile, even if people say its ****. I like my collection of CAB files.
I like HD2. I like 6.5.
i dont like the new presentation of the phone on W7.. plus the apps will be slow to launch etc etc. If u really wanna upgrade, do it in a years time, get ur phone 50% off

AinsCrowbar said:
OP, I think you should stay with the HD2. I'd rather have the ability to run four different operating systems (relatively well) than run a single system slightly better.
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That's VERY true. I have indeed tried android on the hd2, it was responsive, quick & reliable.
When you see android running for the first time on your hd2, you smile and think to yourself ''how cool'' I got android on a phone meant to run windows.
Anyway, I will keep my hd2 for now...

[Q] Should I buy the HD2? Jan 11

Hi guys.
i know some people will say this has been asked before, but i am posting from the date from today.
I want to buy a HD2, but i don't know whether it is the right time...
Because now it has the success of WP7 and Android, I'm wondering if ti is still worth it. The hardware seems abit old now, but it is essentially the same as a HD7.
ATM, i have a TG01, (snapdragon 1GHz WINMO, resistive) So i'm experienced with the speed But however, in our forum, there are soo few active members and cooks - not much support. the resistive touchscreen and Also the lack of RAM is driving me insane. (only 55mb on boot with sense 2.5 + winmo 6.5.x) So one reason of the HD2 is the RAM and the screen... On the other hand i have a tab. It isnt just mine specifically it is my family's. So i dont get to use it all the time and personalize it. (the orange san francisco isnt mine anymore btw, i gave it to my brother)
So i only really have a TG01. I have been using Winmo for a long time, but now everyone is making the switch to Android. So if i get the HD2, will i have good battery life performance etc. I will probs be using WP7 and Android. Is WP7 working perfectly yet? i know we can access the live sevices but will microsoft be continually be patching it? All my friends are using android.. should i use android on the HD2 or just get an android device?
And the hardware... do you think it is still powerful enough? how much longer will the community last for? When i got my Tg01, within 3 months the XDA forum was empty! they all sold and got an Android device or HD2.
So i get it know will the timing be right? Will devs still be cooking for WM and upgrading Android etc? Or will they move on? Because i see alot of members selling their HD2 for a DHD or other android devices. I dont think i can afford a DHD...
I'm really stuck here... I don't know if i should get the device or not... Should i wait? Or wait for what device? I know when the dual cores come out, they will be far too expensive!
Where can i get a cheap HD2 from? Can any one point me to one £150-£180?
Thank you to all who reply!

Quite a few questions there, no?
First of all, HD2 is still on par with most devices on the market. In other words, hardware-wise, no issue. My unit was bought at introduction time, it´s doing what it should without any problem since more than 15 months now.
That is quite impressive, I´d say. But the very age of the model, as of today, is no sign that it´s outdated.
As far as I know, TG01 was never on par with HD2, even if it comes with a similar CPU. However, I don´t think there is a massive difference.
The key difference is the capability of using multiple OS platforms, and you already described all other points which are worth mentioning.
One thing is clear, however: The WinMo threads in the HD2 forums have become a bit quiet, since there are only few updates for WinMo and Sense these days, so no need and options for chefs to re-do what they greatly did in the past.N Also, tweaking and modding has slowed down a bit.
Clearly, the Android threads in the HD2 section are quite busy, and WP7 to some extent, too.
Returning to the very age of the model, it is natural that many people, chefs and users, move on. Windows Phone Classic may be a dead end, who knows. Windows Phone 7 might be a failure for Microsoft, who knows. The fun part is that with an HD2, you can use all of them.
My guess is that there will be quite some development for HD2 Android solutions in the coming 6 to 12 months, steadily fading to small activities over the time. Also, WP7 has quite an impact inside the HD2 user community, but I believe there are certain limits.
Once newer, much stronger hardware specifications will become upscale smartphone mainstream, most users will change. But remember, there are not too many people willing to spend €500+ every 12 months - one more reason to stick with an HD2 once you bought it and you´re fine with it.
You most probably will find used units on ebay or such at your target price.
I think if you really want to play around with things a bit, you won´t be disappointed. But, if you are more a casual user, I don´t know what to recommend.
Myself, I think I will stick to my HD2 for another year or so - this will set a new record, to be honest. But I am perfectly fine with that great device. And as of now, I am completely fine with WinMo 6.5/Sense; for the fun of it, WP7 from time to time. I don´t like Android, at least not the current versions, but I am extremely happy my device gave me the opportunity to try all options at no extra cost.

To be honest with you, I haven't read anything past "...success of"
But It's better that you wait till MS's update and see what happens then.
That's if you want WP7, but if you want Android its HD2 is currently awesome at Android

tictac0566 said:
Quite a few questions there, no?
First of all, HD2 is still on par with most devices on the market. In other words, hardware-wise, no issue. My unit was bought at introduction time, it´s doing what it should without any problem since more than 15 months now.
That is quite impressive, I´d say. But the very age of the model, as of today, is no sign that it´s outdated.
As far as I know, TG01 was never on par with HD2, even if it comes with a similar CPU. However, I don´t think there is a massive difference.
The key difference is the capability of using multiple OS platforms, and you already described all other points which are worth mentioning.
One thing is clear, however: The WinMo threads in the HD2 forums have become a bit quiet, since there are only few updates for WinMo and Sense these days, so no need and options for chefs to re-do what they greatly did in the past.N Also, tweaking and modding has slowed down a bit.
Clearly, the Android threads in the HD2 section are quite busy, and WP7 to some extent, too.
Returning to the very age of the model, it is natural that many people, chefs and users, move on. Windows Phone Classic may be a dead end, who knows. Windows Phone 7 might be a failure for Microsoft, who knows. The fun part is that with an HD2, you can use all of them.
My guess is that there will be quite some development for HD2 Android solutions in the coming 6 to 12 months, steadily fading to small activities over the time. Also, WP7 has quite an impact inside the HD2 user community, but I believe there are certain limits.
Once newer, much stronger hardware specifications will become upscale smartphone mainstream, most users will change. But remember, there are not too many people willing to spend €500+ every 12 months - one more reason to stick with an HD2 once you bought it and you´re fine with it.
You most probably will find used units on ebay or such at your target price.
I think if you really want to play around with things a bit, you won´t be disappointed. But, if you are more a casual user, I don´t know what to recommend.
Myself, I think I will stick to my HD2 for another year or so - this will set a new record, to be honest. But I am perfectly fine with that great device. And as of now, I am completely fine with WinMo 6.5/Sense; for the fun of it, WP7 from time to time. I don´t like Android, at least not the current versions, but I am extremely happy my device gave me the opportunity to try all options at no extra cost.
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Thanks for the reply man! Yeh the TG01 is no match for the HD2. The only reson i got it is because it was a bargain; £150 PayG at Orange UK (Feb 2010) Presumably because it was a poor device in terms of software. I would consider myself a flash junkie. I am constantly trying to find the best ROM for speed, stability and RAM. (as the stock ROMs were really bad!) However , nowadays I'm too busy to be doing all that. I have exams and things going on, and i can't put up with the unstability of my TG01. I want to get a HD2, but keep it on a WP7 Rom, or Android. Then i can switch back and forth. Or if i want,
Winmo 6.5. I won't have to keep on reflashin, as these are pretty much stablw right? The HD2 seems like the ideal device for being cheap and flexibility. Yeh i agree too, the hardware is on par with todays tech. My only concern is the dual cores arriving, but i won't be able to afford them anyway!
Now, my only other problem is battery life... I have mixed reviews on this. Some say it is good, others say it is bad. Can someone please be honest and state what it is? Is battery life better on WM+Sense, WP7 or Android? Because on my TG01 has crap battery; it is only 1000mah powering a 4.1 inch 1ghz device. I'm sick of charging my phone every night.
So if i buy an extended battery, it would solve my problems? Because i read somewhere that Android will not support extended batteries?! Is this also true with WP7?
Thanks man for the time for replying!

Power consumption is something massively individual.
I got used to turn off Wlan and automatic data downloads (not only, but also because I don´t have a data flatrate) off, an easy step in each OS.
My worst experience was with Android (which sucked energy like hell, but there were strong improvements), while WinMo/Sense and WP7 are now on par (as an "average" user with some phone calls, some text messages, and some limited surfing, some offline navigation, too) for me - I charge every second day. On vacation (much less of above mentioned usage) it´s even good for 4 days.
But then again, if you´re also gaming, take long-time internet surfing sessions and such, you´ll be charging an HD2 every day, too.
Btw, dual boot only works with WinMo 6.5 and Android (as you can install the latter on your SD card), means you would have to re-flash to switch between WP7 and Android or between WinMo 6.5 and WP7. Then again, the flashing process is a matter of a couple of minutes, and if you use different SD cards, the setup is done quite quickly...
EDIT: Just forgot, the enhanced battery. It won´t work under Android or WP7, when I understand various threads correctly... but would have to check that...

tictac0566 said:
Power consumption is something massively individual.
I got used to turn off Wlan and automatic data downloads (not only, but also because I don´t have a data flatrate) off, an easy step in each OS.
My worst experience was with Android (which sucked energy like hell, but there were strong improvements), while WinMo/Sense and WP7 are now on par (as an "average" user with some phone calls, some text messages, and some limited surfing, some offline navigation, too) for me - I charge every second day. On vacation (much less of above mentioned usage) it´s even good for 4 days. f
But then again, if you´re also gaming, take long-time internet surfing sessions and such, you´ll be charging an HD2 every day, too.
Btw, dual boot only works with WinMo 6.5 and Android (as you can install the latter on your SD card), means you would have to re-flash to switch between WP7 and Android or between WinMo 6.5 and WP7. Then again, the flashing process is a matter of a couple of minutes, and if you use different SD cards, the setup is done quite quickly...
EDIT: Just forgot, the enhanced battery. It won´t work under Android or WP7, when I understand various threads correctly... but would have to check that...
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Thanks alot my friend i think it pretty much sloves my problem. on my tg01 with sense and wm6.5 battery lasted 2 hrs with heavy wifi usage on opera. this is why i had to go 'old school' with touchflo 3d and wm6.1 fkr battery performance. so the hd2 battery is better i read somewhere that some extended batteries work with the hd2 (i think the official ones ddont work) any way thanks alot man, you've made me really happy, im trying get one cheap now, just need to save up a bit more...
Im still open to suggestions from other users on their opinions

believe me friend,hd2 is best mobile ever created.2 of my friends have hd7 and DHD,both of them keeps looking at my hd2 for what it can do!!the only + point on their device is that the screen of both the handsets is better than hd2..but it dnt matters..also,it is half the price of both of them.
so i suggest you to close your eyes and get an hd2..hehe

that is whole lot of words there...
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olyloh6696 said:
Thanks for the reply man! Yeh the TG01 is no match for the HD2. The only reson i got it is because it was a bargain; £150 PayG at Orange UK (Feb 2010) Presumably because it was a poor device in terms of software. I would consider myself a flash junkie. I am constantly trying to find the best ROM for speed, stability and RAM. (as the stock ROMs were really bad!) However , nowadays I'm too busy to be doing all that. I have exams and things going on, and i can't put up with the unstability of my TG01. I want to get a HD2, but keep it on a WP7 Rom, or Android. Then i can switch back and forth. Or if i want,
Winmo 6.5. I won't have to keep on reflashin, as these are pretty much stablw right? The HD2 seems like the ideal device for being cheap and flexibility. Yeh i agree too, the hardware is on par with todays tech. My only concern is the dual cores arriving, but i won't be able to afford them anyway!
Now, my only other problem is battery life... I have mixed reviews on this. Some say it is good, others say it is bad. Can someone please be honest and state what it is? Is battery life better on WM+Sense, WP7 or Android? Because on my TG01 has crap battery; it is only 1000mah powering a 4.1 inch 1ghz device. I'm sick of charging my phone every night.
So if i buy an extended battery, it would solve my problems? Because i read somewhere that Android will not support extended batteries?! Is this also true with WP7?
Thanks man for the time for replying!
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The hd2 will take a lot of time and effort to get it working the way you want, keep that in mind. Battery life on the android and wp7 ports are not nearly as good as a native device, and it will take some work getting the battery to a manageable level. Also, getting wp7 working properly is getting much harder to set up with the problems unlocking it and the fact that you have to call microsoft and lie to them about what phone you have to get an activation code, which recently microsoft has been catching on and is now usually requesting a hd7 imei and proof of purchase... plus who knows what will happen when they update.
If I were you, I would save up your money until the next generation of phones comes out and get something then, cause odds are most major devs will move on when better devices come out. They've already been developing the hd2 for over a year, and while at this point the hardware is still top of the line, soon it will not be. Many HD2 owners do not want to admit that fact and they claim the hd2 runs android as good as a native phone with as good of battery life, but that's just not true. The HD2 is a great phone for the fact that it can run multiple os's, and you can dual boot wp7 on nand with android on sd and no other phone can do that... and I wouldn't trade my hd2 for anything right now because I like running 2 OS's on my phone... but when new hardware comes that will change. And the hd2 doesn't run wp7 or android as good as native devices.
So it's up to you and what you want. If you have a lot of spare time to tinker and get things working well, then it can be a great phone... but if you want a phone that will work good out of the box or just want to run one os really well, go for a native android or wp7 phone. Like I said... I would save up money for a few months and see whats out then once you have some more money saved up or can sign a contract with a carrier to get a cheaper top of the line phone.

zarathustrax said:
The hd2 will take a lot of time and effort to get it working the way you want, keep that in mind. Battery life on the android and wp7 ports are not nearly as good as a native device, and it will take some work getting the battery to a manageable level. Also, getting wp7 working properly is getting much harder to set up with the problems unlocking it and the fact that you have to call microsoft and lie to them about what phone you have to get an activation code, which recently microsoft has been catching on and is now usually requesting a hd7 imei and proof of purchase... plus who knows what will happen when they update.
If I were you, I would save up your money until the next generation of phones comes out and get something then, cause odds are most major devs will move on when better devices come out. They've already been developing the hd2 for over a year, and while at this point the hardware is still top of the line, soon it will not be. Many HD2 owners do not want to admit that fact and they claim the hd2 runs android as good as a native phone with as good of battery life, but that's just not true. The HD2 is a great phone for the fact that it can run multiple os's, and you can dual boot wp7 on nand with android on sd and no other phone can do that... and I wouldn't trade my hd2 for anything right now because I like running 2 OS's on my phone... but when new hardware comes that will change. And the hd2 doesn't run wp7 or android as good as native devices.
So it's up to you and what you want. If you have a lot of spare time to tinker and get things working well, then it can be a great phone... but if you want a phone that will work good out of the box or just want to run one os really well, go for a native android or wp7 phone. Like I said... I would save up money for a few months and see whats out then once you have some more money saved up or can sign a contract with a carrier to get a cheaper top of the line phone.
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Thanks for the input! I'm only limited to five thanks per day :/ (but sill thank you tommorow!.)
you said that devs will move on to other devices... i know the other devices have more powerful hardware than the HD2, but most run android. as far as i know, no Android phone can dual boot WinMo, or WP7 and there is no development for it. You see, i like WP7 OS, it looks so nice and elegant.. but i dislike the restiction. so the WP7 devices are useless to me. But if i get a HD2 , i can dual boot between WP7 and Android (for tweaking!)
About the battery life issue.. i heard some ppl with claims that WP7 on the HD2 has begged battery life, as it cannot multitasking etc. WinMo with sense is a resource hog. Androidd too.
That sucks about the Microsoft getting suspicious. I would like go use the live services, but only for the free apps. But hopefully XDA can be patching this so we can use live sevices Would it also be possible to use my friends' HD7 Imei?
Also i understand youur point about tinkering the device a lot. as i have said in my orginal post, i don't have much find and all that and frankly I'm too lazy nowadays! Also i have never owned a HTC WinMo device, so flashing is very different and new to me! I still don't understand half these terms :S Hopefully i can just keep it stable between WP7 and Android. I can request from the seller to put these on
Hmmm. Should i save up for another devise
or get the HD2.. i like the freedom of the HD2... And I'm quite impatient!
I hve been dreaming about it all night...
Thanks mate!

A good rule of thumb is always, buy if you need it now, if you can wait then wait.
I've mine since last year and it always performed beautifully under WM6.5, but now with Android is like I have a brand new phone, seriously. I'd say go for it only if you need it now, if you can wait and either gather more information or wait for a specific release that you might have the eye on, then do that.

yelsew_aknor said:
A good rule of thumb is always, buy if you need it now, if you can wait then wait.
I've mine since last year and it always performed beautifully under WM6.5, but now with Android is like I have a brand new phone, seriously. I'd say go for it only if you need it now, if you can wait and either gather more information or wait for a specific release that you might have the eye on, then do that.
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thanks for the reply! (sorry my thanks limit is full!)
But when you say wait... wait for what device? i prefably don't want a phone contract. I'm happy with my network with unlimited internet. imagining it on the HD2 will be amazing!
like i said, i can't afford the dual cores, but as the other member has pointed out, i can save up. I'm sick with my tg01 and want a HD2 so bad. if other ee devicefs get released they won't be able to dual boot.
thanks!

olyloh6696 said:
Thanks for the input! I'm only limited to five thanks per day :/ (but sill thank you tommorow!.)
you said that devs will move on to other devices... i know the other devices have more powerful hardware than the HD2, but most run android. as far as i know, no Android phone can dual boot WinMo, or WP7 and there is no development for it. You see, i like WP7 OS, it looks so nice and elegant.. but i dislike the restiction. so the WP7 devices are useless to me. But if i get a HD2 , i can dual boot between WP7 and Android (for tweaking!)
About the battery life issue.. i heard some ppl with claims that WP7 on the HD2 has begged battery life, as it cannot multitasking etc. WinMo with sense is a resource hog. Androidd too.
That sucks about the Microsoft getting suspicious. I would like go use the live services, but only for the free apps. But hopefully XDA can be patching this so we can use live sevices Would it also be possible to use my friends' HD7 Imei?
Also i understand youur point about tinkering the device a lot. as i have said in my orginal post, i don't have much find and all that and frankly I'm too lazy nowadays! Also i have never owned a HTC WinMo device, so flashing is very different and new to me! I still don't understand half these terms :S Hopefully i can just keep it stable between WP7 and Android. I can request from the seller to put these on
Hmmm. Should i save up for another devise
or get the HD2.. i like the freedom of the HD2... And I'm quite impatient!
I hve been dreaming about it all night...
Thanks mate!
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I wouldn't suggest having the seller install those for you... to get things working good it takes a lot of testing and trial and error. Especially if you want to dualboot... that's not simple. The SD card needs to be partitioned in a certain way, and wp7 needs to be installed on nand, and then you have to use an android build that can run from SD card, and most SD builds will have to be modified to be able to boot with magldr. And then you're gonna have to learn how to set it up and use it so that the battery drain isn't too bad with the SD android build. And for wp7 it takes a lot of work setting it up, changing the registry and successfully getting an activation code from Microsoft. Also you have to make sure you have an SD card that's compatible with wp7 and that runs android builds well.... sandisk class 2 seem the best, but they're not guaranteed to work. It's not a simple setup and it takes work to keep it working and updated. It takes hours just to correctly setup when you know exactly what you're doing and don't run into many issues... but many run into issues and it takes days getting them worked out.
Then you're gonna want to keep your builds updated, so you're gonna want to know how everything is installed so you can do updates when available.
It's not a simple, troublefree setup and issues are still popping up. Just keep that in mind... most sellers will not know how to set it up and if they do, it probably wont be setup well and you have to do a lot of testing and trial & error to get a setup and builds that work for you. There's many different android builds with different issues, and most SD builds are not very updated recently... but if you want dualboot you have to run a SD android build. You wont have recovery with SD builds and not everything works as well as nand builds.
You should definitely spend a few days doing research before deciding to get a hd2 so you know what you're getting yourself into. Its not a phone that can be quickly setup and used without problems. Only get it if you're willing to put a lot of time into it to learn how to set it up to work good for you.
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zarathustrax said:
I wouldn't suggest having the seller install those for you... to get things working good it takes a lot of testing and trial and error. Especially if you want to dualboot... that's not simple. The SD card needs to be partitioned in a certain way, and wp7 needs to be installed on nand, and then you have to use an android build that can run from SD card, and most SD builds will have to be modified to be able to boot with magldr. And then you're gonna have to learn how to set it up and use it so that the battery drain isn't too bad with the SD android build. And for wp7 it takes a lot of work setting it up, changing the registry and successfully getting an activation code from Microsoft. Also you have to make sure you have an SD card that's compatible with wp7 and that runs android builds well.... sandisk class 2 seem the best, but they're not guaranteed to work. It's not a simple setup and it takes work to keep it working and updated. It takes hours just to correctly setup when you know exactly what you're doing and don't run into many issues... but many run into issues and it takes days getting them worked out.
Then you're gonna want to keep your builds updated, so you're gonna want to know how everything is installed so you can do updates when available.
It's not a simple, troublefree setup and issues are still popping up. Just keep that in mind... most sellers will not know how to set it up and if they do, it probably wont be setup well and you have to do a lot of testing and trial & error to get a setup and builds that work for you. There's many different android builds with different issues, and most SD builds are not very updated recently... but if you want dualboot you have to run a SD android build. You wont have recovery with SD builds and not everything works as well as nand builds.
You should definitely spend a few days doing research before deciding to get a hd2 so you know what you're getting yourself into. Its not a phone that can be quickly setup and used without problems. Only get it if you're willing to put a lot of time into it to learn how to set it up to work good for you.
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Thanks! But as you see, the seller here is a xda member with android currently installed. He asked me what rom to have on it, but we haven't confirmed if I am buying the device yet. I though that wp 7 install was relatively easy, but I guess I'm. Wrong. I have been reading threads on it, and it isn't so easy to dual boot between the both. I have also read threads on the bad points of wp7 on the hD2. I guess it will require alot of time and effort to set my device up with all that HSPL, microsd magldr work :/ I was hoping it would be easy. Oh well I guess if I get it, I could play around with winnow as o Abe never experienced sense on the hd2 before with all that ram. Then use a micro SD build. That process seems relatively easy.
Thanks for the input
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I buyed my HD2 in December and I'm very happy with it.
Hardware is so-so. DHD is said to have much faster GPU, but on the other hand, HD7 have same processor. And there are dual core devices coming. But i would not see that as big problem. Everyone is still at single-core processors, which means that most games and apps will still support them until most people switch to dual-core. And that will not happen quickly.
Performance is OK. Android can be a bit slow sometimes, but that may be case for android, not the HD2. And WP7 builds can even beat native WP7 device.
Battery life: My HD2 lasts about a day with moderate-heavy usage. Friend have DHD and reports similar battery life. But it have flaws. For example, today i watched 15min SD video from the SD card and it somehow drained 10% of the battery (WiFi and everything was off). In fact, it's actually hard to get thin smartphone that will last much longer than that and dual-core phones will probably have even smaller battery life (and AFAIK batteries are not evolving much these days). I'm used to charging my phone everyday, so it's not really a problem for me. As for extended batteries, some Android builds support official HTC extended batteries.
Community will surely slowly shrink, but based on current activity, i say that we still have a lot time.
So, if you want to buy new phone, you will have to buy high-end phone to beat HD2. And based on your price range, i would say that HD2 is currently your best choice.

matejdro said:
I buyed my HD2 in December and I'm very happy with it.
Hardware is so-so. DHD is said to have much faster GPU, but on the other hand, HD7 have same processor. And there are dual core devices coming. But i would not see that as big problem. Everyone is still at single-core processors, which means that most games and apps will still support them until most people switch to dual-core. And that will not happen quickly.
Performance is OK. Android can be a bit slow sometimes, but that may be case for android, not the HD2. And WP7 builds can even beat native WP7 device.
Battery life: My HD2 lasts about a day with moderate-heavy usage. Friend have DHD and reports similar battery life. But it have flaws. For example, today i watched 15min SD video from the SD card and it somehow drained 10% of the battery (WiFi and everything was off). In fact, it's actually hard to get thin smartphone that will last much longer than that and dual-core phones will probably have even smaller battery life (and AFAIK batteries are not evolving much these days). I'm used to charging my phone everyday, so it's not really a problem for me. As for extended batteries, some Android builds support official HTC extended batteries.
Community will surely slowly shrink, but based on current activity, i say that we still have a lot time.
So, if you want to buy new phone, you will have to buy high-end phone to beat HD2. And based on your price range, i would say that HD2 is currently your best choice.
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Thanks! i guess i will settle for a HD2 then! (Hopefully) I understand your point, that the dual cores will be useless as most phones are single core, but isn't mobile tech advancing so quickly? anyway, the flagship nexus s is single core so most people will be inflection core. and when i get he HD2 my next upgrade after that will be next summer. By then dual cores will be primarilzed and i can upgrade from there?
Thanks!

Tech is advancing quickly, but masses are not changing phones that quickly. It will take time until mainstream android will move to dual-core. There will be bonuses of dual-core of course, but many people will still be on single-core devices, which means that most stuff would still be usable on older phones until majority of devices will be dual-core. And thanks to devs, who are always providing latest OS to our phones, i think we will hold on even longer
That is just what I'm thinking, but i may be wrong.

Im only gonna touch battery issues. The thing is, there arent any anymore LOL. With HD2 you get to change the radio of the device. Which means that you literally change the way HD2 uses its network and wifi. By switching to a previous radio, i have increased my battery to 1.5days(XBOX live games 30mins, Zune 60+-30mins, Basic web, email, 20 texts, 20mins call) without affecting performance. So you can experiment and do wonders with this devil. In addition, I dont think you need to worry about android's battery life at all. My ast android build(in sd card, not nand, nands are better) ran for two days on 1.5ghz oc'ed and I never use app killers(these kill battery) or setcpu. So, you know you will be fine with HD2. Worst case scenario, you buy an extended battery with kickstand and get a kickstand
radio i use is 2.14, latest is 2.15.

matejdro said:
Tech is advancing quickly, but masses are not changing phones that quickly. It will take time until mainstream android will move to dual-core. There will be bonuses of dual-core of course, but many people will still be on single-core devices, which means that most stuff would still be usable on older phones until majority of devices will be dual-core. And thanks to devs, who are always providing latest OS to our phones, i think we will hold on even longer
That is just what I'm thinking, but i may be wrong.
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Yeh thats great ! i hope devs sill continue to support the phone all the way through the evolution and development of WP7!

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Im only gonna touch battery issues. The thing is, there arent any anymore LOL. With HD2 you get to change the radio of the device. Which means that you literally change the way HD2 uses its network and wifi. By switching to a previous radio, i have increased my battery to 1.5days(XBOX live games 30mins, Zune 60+-30mins, Basic web, email, 20 texts, 20mins call) without affecting performance. So you can experiment and do wonders with this devil. In addition, I dont think you need to worry about android's battery life at all. My ast android build(in sd card, not nand, nands are better) ran for two days on 1.5ghz oc'ed and I never use app killers(these kill battery) or setcpu. So, you know you will be fine with HD2. Worst case scenario, you buy an extended battery with kickstand and get a kickstand
radio i use is 2.14, latest is 2.15.
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Thanks! I'm assuming this is running on WP7? that sounds great! i aint be using my phone too much for music and games, probably only once in a while (i use my ipod for that) but i will be using it a lot for web browsing and texting! those results sound great! (much better than my tg01) but is there a problem with running on WP7 that you cannot let the battery drain fully and your device won't boot?

[Q] Getting an HD2, is it worth it?

Hi!
I know this question was probably asked here lots of times,
and I apologize in advance, because I still haven't found the answer to my question
I have an option to buy a practically mint condition HD2 from a friend (he got a Desire HD, lucky him, I don't the money), he can sell it to me cheaper.
He says he installed Android on it, but as an app, (I still have no idea what ROMs, Flashing and all that means) not as a self loading OS, and the phone is still running WM.
So the question being, is it really worth my while getting the phone, fiddling around with it, installing Android and/or WP7 (I heard that's possible) and losing on battery time?
Is the battery time the only problem affecting daily usage?
How difficult/risky is it to install android/wp7 on the HD2?
Or should I just get a simple android phone (desire, legend, wildfire etc...)?

The HD2 is a beast of a device, and as long as you read, flashing isn't really all that hard at all. May I suggest my guide in my signature?
The HD2 can indeed run Android and WP7 directly from NAND, and most Android builds on the HD2 are actually faster than "real" decicated Android devices.

Thanks,
The guide is very interesting,
but turns out I'm a bigger noob then I thought,
Where can I find a guide on the basics (what is NAND, ROMs, Flashing etc...)?

I'm a little reluctant to reply but I'll give it a go.
It's not difficult to flash a ROM but before you do anything you MUST READ THOROUGHLY about whatever it is that you are doing.
Firstly, it is possible to put Android onto an SD card and run it without making any changes to your phone. You have to boot into Win Mo then switch Android. When you re-boot the phone it will boot back to Win Mo. This is what this whole section of this forum is about. http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=735
If you want to change your phone permanently then you have to flash a ROM and it is the slightly risky element. READ all the ROM flashing guides here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=713977
You can also Flash Android to your phone so that it replaces Win Mo. This is what this whole section of this forum is about. http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=928
To put Win Phone 7 or Win Mobile 6.5 on your phone you have to flash it like an Android NAND ROM.

If you can buy it cheap, then yes go for it.
It's highly addictive and most of all very impressive device.
I wouldn't say that the battery is still an issue now since it lasts at least a full day and USB to charge is everywhere nowadays.
Like Bouncypete wrote you will have to read alot on the go.
The safest bet is to use the standard WinMo and start Android from the SD-card.
If you like that you can always go to a Nand version which replaces the actually WinMo version inside the HD2.
You can always go back to WinMO incase you don't like Android (or WP7) or warranty purposes.
Most Nand and probably other SD versions have a good tutorial in the thread itself on how to get it on the device, or there are the stickies.
We are also not un-human so if you need something do a search, read, read again and then ask. No person will shoot you if you have searched and don't know what to do.
Now if you don't like the HD2 you can probably resell it for the same price you bought it for.

TDB!
The HD2 is still the best pda on the market. For anybody who wants anything just a bit more than a phone/media player, windows mobile still has the the largest and most flexible range of apps with the most options. I'm booting winmo 6.5 with Android 2.2 running from sd and there's nothing I see on the market at the moment which could begin to tempt me away from it. All the preceding of course subject to the all embracing "IMHO"!

patcooke said:
The HD2 is still the best pda on the market. For anybody who wants anything just a bit more than a phone/media player, windows mobile still has the the largest and most flexible range of apps with the most options. I'm booting winmo 6.5 with Android 2.2 running from sd and there's nothing I see on the market at the moment which could begin to tempt me away from it. All the preceding of course subject to the all embracing "IMHO"!
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Indeed, the range of free and custom apps is what keeps me on WM. I have several preferred applications that I use. And I like the fact that there is (was) such a large developer community for the device. It encouraged innovation. I think there is less such activity when one is forced to deal with an "App" store that is monitored by the OS manufacturer.

OP,
Just make sure that you are indeed getting it for "cheap".
While the HD2 is a great device, it does not change the hard reality that it is an antique by today's tech standards.
You need to know how long your friend has owned the device, how much calls has been made on it.
I ask this because the longer he has owned the device, the greater your risk of having the physical buttons eventually fail on you. As much as I love my HD2, I am aware that the buttons will eventually fail. Please consider this.
Cheers.

just my 2c as the guyz above have given you tremendous input.
I have an option to buy a practically mint condition HD2 from a friend (he got a Desire HD, lucky him, I don't the money), he can sell it to me cheaper.
-> just check how "mint" the condition is. screen scratches, button usage (are they still springy or dull), etc.
He says he installed Android on it, but as an app, (I still have no idea what ROMs, Flashing and all that means) not as a self loading OS, and the phone is still running WM.
-> android is installed in the microsd of the phone. the hd2 is essentially still running windows 6.5 but you can launch android and use this as your os. the advantage being is if android crashes...and that's IF given the stability of the roms developed by the rom-Gods here....your phone is still fine as it was originally in windows. if you want to get android up and running again, you simply have to reformat your microsd and reinstall a new android build
So the question being, is it really worth my while getting the phone, fiddling around with it, installing Android and/or WP7 (I heard that's possible) and losing on battery time?
Is the battery time the only problem affecting daily usage?
-> battery life will probably be your first problem as you get into android. but as you go along, i would recommend that you "sample" the other roms and find out which one gives you the optimal results. the way you set up your phone is also vital. as i mentioned in another thread regarding battery usage, i'm quite pleased with my current set up. i normally unplug my unit from charging at around 10pm. in the morning when i get up, the battery shows 97% remaining. not bad considering that was an 8-hour standby and i'm also using live video wallpaper. again, it'll depend on the set up
How difficult/risky is it to install android/wp7 on the HD2?
-> installing android is EASY as everything is in the microsd. if you want to boot up via android then as the chaps recommended, you have to do further reading.
to answer your question, i would say yes it's worth getting the phone. the hd2 is an awesome device. it's a great way to get started if you want to have android or wm7 or other operating systems
some things to consider if you do decide to get the phone:
-upgrading the rom itself (the windows rom)
-upgrading the radio
although not essential to run android, upgrading these will definitely give you better stability when running the os. again, the guides are all there and the chaps are happy to help out.

With reading, the HD2 can be a very fun device. But if you have the mentality of unwilling to search, read, try out, then I'd say you should stay away from this phone. The HD2's isn't marketed to people who want something that just works, it's marketed to people who like to tweak, tinker, play around with or hack their phones.
So if you're unwilling to go read, understand, etc and just want something that works "perfect" out of the box, then I suggest you get a WP7 phone or iPhone.

Kailkti
You touched a nerve there, I'm currently using (or better say, being abused by) a Nokia 5800 with the latest firmware, and just 10 minutes ago, during a call it just froze up, wouldn't let me close the call, so I restarted it, and it took 3 minutes to connect to the network, what the hey?!
on one hand I love twinkering, but as long as stuff works, and gets better,
not twinkering for basic usability, which is kinda what's in store for me if take the HD2
regarding the condition of said phone, it was bought about a year ago, for my friend's father (being the largest screen available) and he never got around to use it much, just some skype calls from abroad, and a little of regular calls here and there
didn't leave the house much, so it's about as mint as they come.
price wise, how much does an HD2 cost nowadays?

Eugene_N said:
Kailkti
You touched a nerve there, I'm currently using (or better say, being abused by) a Nokia 5800 with the latest firmware, and just 10 minutes ago, during a call it just froze up, wouldn't let me close the call, so I restarted it, and it took 3 minutes to connect to the network, what the hey?!
on one hand I love twinkering, but as long as stuff works, and gets better,
not twinkering for basic usability, which is kinda what's in store for me if take the HD2
regarding the condition of said phone, it was bought about a year ago, for my friend's father (being the largest screen available) and he never got around to use it much, just some skype calls from abroad, and a little of regular calls here and there
didn't leave the house much, so it's about as mint as they come.
price wise, how much does an HD2 cost nowadays?
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New ones are between 450 and 500 on ebay. Used ones generally go around $300 - 350.
But be careful of those cheaper "New" ones on ebay: many of them are in fact replacement phones sent by the carrier as warranty fixes - and my be refurbished, not actually new.

Eugene_N said:
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Asking price on CL here in the Bay Area is generally $200-$300.
I picked a pretty clean used one up Saturday for $150.
Got it running the unofficial CM7 nightlys now.
Bit of a learning curve but not bad.
I hadn't really touched anything but Nokia devices for several years.

Eugene_N said:
Kailkti
on one hand I love twinkering, but as long as stuff works, and gets better,
not twinkering for basic usability, which is kinda what's in store for me if take the HD2
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The HD2 running WinMo has been VERY stable and useful for me regardless of all the crap people say about WinMO. To me it sounds like the HD2 would be a good choice for you as you can tweak WinMo as much as you like and have Andriod on SD and play with that as well.

If you like to explore and tinker, then feel free to get this fun device. It can entertain you in many ways.

So, I got it for a trial run,
It's awesome!!!
So I'm using an SD Android, with some sense features, dunno what it's called. But it's a bit sluggish and the screen freezes up from time to time, used a more stockish SD Android before, worked better though
But the battery times are lousy, after 4-5 hours with WiFi on, without 3g (no dim inside) I have to recharge it,
Is it normal? Or is the battery dead?
Sent from my HTC Desire using XDA App

I've owned a number of devices over the last 8+years and the HD2 is the best so far.
I dropped my HD2 last year and had the option to sell the insurance replacement or keep it. I kept it.
I probably won't upgrade from my HD2 until there is a dual core phone on the market with both cores running at 1 Gig.
RAM ? I have plenty on the HD2, make it a LOT faster and I'll upgrade.
ROM ? Ditto.
Micro SD expansion ? Again, haven't used the whole 16Gb I have on this device.
What else is there ? Retina type display like on the iPhone (spit) ? Yes please.
HDMI Out ? I don't use HD content in that way preferring VLC or DLNA
Android ? Already doable but Android is still in beta, too, and it's still a bit rubbish
Is the HD2 worth it ? For me, the HD2 is the first fully converged device I've had and
it does everything I need it to do reliably, in a decently sized package without fuss.

@ eugene
If you're browsing the web, you can expect that amount of battery usage, especially if you're watch videos.
With normal use, and I mean say just about 2-4 hrs of on screen time, and the rest stanby, you can expect the battery to last two days.

buy it now!!!!!!!!!!!

I will add my two cents if i may...
terms ROM ( which can either be WM6.5, WM7 or Android)
HSPL ( a secondary boot-loader that should be flashed first to safeguards us noobs bricking our phones)
RADIO ( the software that talks to the hardware )
KERNEL ( don't know what this does as yet or how to upgrade it)
I bought mine only two weeks ago...
1. i read alot....from the HTC leo section
2. I flashed first MAGLDR v1.13 (HSPL) to safeguard against any major mishaps
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=10197474&postcount=1
3. and then flashed a NAND android rom ... this we not so smooth as the phone kept on rebooting without notice
4. I upgraded the radio to as xx.50.xx.xx
5. I downgraded again to WM6.5
6. then back up to a nand CMYLXGO's BlueTopia HD(2)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=916707
It is bascially that simple......run as smooth now as a baby's bottom

[Q] Thinking about buying a HD2

I’ve currently got a HTC Touch Pro and I’m thinking about maybe buying a HD2 which I can get on eBay for about £170 - £200 and that’s quite a lot of money so I want to be sure before I buy it. What has mainly gotten me interested in this phone is the fact it can run Windows Phone 7 which looks lovely. A few things I’m unsure about is the size and the fact this phone doesn’t have a hardware keyboard, I’ve used a friend’s HD2 before but only for a few minutes. Anybody here upgrade to the HD2 from a phone with a hardware QWERTY keyboard how did you find getting use to the onscreen one, was it better?
Thanks

It can run WP7, but it's a bit of a hack, you basically can't "activate" it to get apps from the marketplace or other xbox live services without calling Microsoft and getting a gullible representative on the line, which are hard to come by because by now they've mostly been briefed on this.
Also, who knows when nodo comes out in March if the old ROMs will still function indefinitely, nodo itself will have to be hacked in order for it to accept sideloading which Microsoft has stated they'd close. Also half the reason why the closed-source WP7 works so well on the HD2 is because it was prototyped on the HD2, the ROMs available now are based on those prototypes, after nodo, that also won't be the case, necessitating the making of drivers for a closed-source OS with no native SDK.
I don't want to sound negative, but my experience with WP7 is that it's not a "daily driver" on the HD2, and unlike Android on the HD2 is very much an unfinished work with an uncertain future due to Microsoft locking up the platform. It is fun to play with though, and I think you'd enjoy the HD2 in general, but if what you want is a WP7 phone, you probably should buy a WP7 phone.

I bought the HD2 for use as a student/scientist to be able to communicate with work effectively through email along with mobile office and all the great features it has. The lack of qwerty keyboard is made up for by the large screen. It gives a touch screen keyboard a lot of real estate to work with. But I just recently decided to install android on it instead of upgrading to WM7. That has made me love this phone. You can keep WM6.5 on the phone as well as install android for all the fun quirkiness you need. It has made this phone perfect for me. This phone is like a mullet: Business in the front (windows), party in the back (android, and by back I mean SD card).

I had a Desire and moved on to the HD2 about a month ago - the larger screen makes using the touch keyboard easier.
A side effect of booting Android off an SD card (as I do) is that a *full* backup of the installation can be made by simply copying the contents of the relevant directories on the SD card. Also, the data.img file (equivalent to the data partition on a phone where the O/S is installed in EEPROM) can be resized (with some care) to a larger size if needed.

Should you buy an HD2?
YES.
Firstly WP7 works properly and is EASY to activate via MS helpline.(1 phone call approx. 2 mins). There is a ton of support for you and any questions or problems you have, right here on this site.
A bit of a hack?... Yes, well this is XDA and I'm pretty sure you know that and are comfortable with it already.
WP7 on the HD2 works better (faster) than on the HD7!!!!
Secondly if you don't like WP7 as an everyday OS (are you ill?) then you can have WM6.5, Android, Ubuntu, Meego and even Win 95/98 or I think I read somewhere XP????
Why would you even ask if you should buy one?
£200 is cheap (£400+ rrp) compared to anything else on the market especially when you look at the specs and performance of those devices compared with the HD2.
I've had to upgrade my SD Card for £30, but I didn't have to fork out £300 for HD7, and I was going to upgrade anyway to fit more music on.
As for the soft keyboard...what can I say? It's bigger than the hard keys you've got at the minute and the Touch Screen works great.
The only question you should be asking is;
Why hasn't everyone got an HD2?
No matter what you prefer as an OS, the HD2 has got you covered thanks to the hard work of some great people on XDA, Cotulla and Bepe @ DFT and lots of others, too many to name here.
Essentially the HD2 will do what you want it to do when you want it to do it. And if what you want to do is sell it, for a new iPhone or HD7 (seriously, you may want to book some time with your GP), then plenty of people on here will want to buy it.
BUY... BUY... BUY....

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PloniAlmoni said:
It can run WP7, but it's a bit of a hack, you basically can't "activate" it to get apps from the marketplace or other xbox live services without calling Microsoft and getting a gullible representative on the line, which are hard to come by because by now they've mostly been briefed on this.
Also, who knows when nodo comes out in March if the old ROMs will still function indefinitely, nodo itself will have to be hacked in order for it to accept sideloading which Microsoft has stated they'd close. Also half the reason why the closed-source WP7 works so well on the HD2 is because it was prototyped on the HD2, the ROMs available now are based on those prototypes, after nodo, that also won't be the case, necessitating the making of drivers for a closed-source OS with no native SDK.
I don't want to sound negative, but my experience with WP7 is that it's not a "daily driver" on the HD2, and unlike Android on the HD2 is very much an unfinished work with an uncertain future due to Microsoft locking up the platform. It is fun to play with though, and I think you'd enjoy the HD2 in general, but if what you want is a WP7 phone, you probably should buy a WP7 phone.
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WP7 on HD2 is a hack, yes, but this is the XDA site, and if you're here, you're probably already comfortable with that fact.
WP7 works properly and is EASY to activate via MS helpline.(1 phone call approx. 2 mins). There is a ton of support for you and any questions or problems you have, right here on this site.
HD2 was the test bed for WP7 on HTC devices, and HD7 is a slightly worse re-worked version of the HD2, so any future HD7 updates will be portable to HD2 which, if experience is an indicator, will run them better than HD7.
The Chevron7 unlock guys have been talking with MS about their sideload app, and although MS are going to close the loophole, Windows is Windows...infinitely hackable.
You may not be trying to sound negative, but you're not doing a very good job.

Definitely buy a HD2 and run Android (NAND) and you'll never look back.

Hi! I'd like to buy an hd2 too. My questions (in part you have already answered) are the following: i would buy an used hd2 to run above all android (and maybe occasionally i could try wp7 or the original wm6.5). But worth buying an hd2 for an unofficial rom? and android on hd2 is stable as the official one? has it problems (maybe it freezes...)? thank you very much!!!

jackal992 said:
Hi! I'd like to buy an hd2 too. My questions (in part you have already answered) are the following: i would buy an used hd2 to run above all android (and maybe occasionally i could try wp7 or the original wm6.5). But worth buying an hd2 for an unofficial rom? and android on hd2 is stable as the official one? has it problems (maybe it freezes...)? thank you very much!!!
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Running WM6.5 I stuck with HTC ROMs, but WP7 means Custom is the new Standard. I don't know about Android, there is a seperate forum, I've never used it, too happy with WP7 (WM6.5 is also very good functionally), which works perfectly if you do it properly. See the posts on this forum about SD Cards.
In short, if you've thought about buying an HD2 you've made a mistake. JUST DO IT, you (probably) wont regret it.
I offer no guarantees on your experience when you decide to purchase. My experience has been awesome.
I am not paid by HTC to advertise their product, however if they offered to pay me, I would gladly advertise the HD2.

I have a Touch Pro & bought the HD2 about a month ago. It is a good device. In my opinion Android is not that special & WM7 is not worth the hassle.
I find Energy WM6.5.x build ROMs superb, rock solid with great GUI of sense & CHT.
The only thing better in Android is available games, Android platform itself is far from ground breaking & graphically dull as dull can get.
On screen keyboard options are good with WM although I still prefer a hard keyboard but the HD2 is good becuase of the huge screen & of course the SnapDragon.
Viewing websites is also far easier with the large screen & Opera 10 or 9.7.
You won't go far wrong with a HD2 if you are up to speed on modding WM, W7 & Android will leave you with problems (W7) or dull OS (Android).
Everyone is different but at least with the HD2 you can have many platforms in one device if you so wish.

ok. thanks a lot!! last question: i already tried to change bootloaders and roms in previuos winmo phones, luckily always all was ok. But in the hd2 is enough simple change bootloader/radio? i know that there are always risks but i've seen a lot of threads about "bricked" and "dead"/no more usable hd2. My question then is: if you follow carefully instructions of cookers is enough improbable that you brick your phone?? is this true? sorry for my bad english!
ps: can i trust buying used hd2 that already have android or however unofficial roms? This doesn't mean that these phones are "bricked", is this correct? even better then i may not have to change radio, correct? thank you very much!!

First Time
I only found out about Custom ROMs, flashing and Bootloaders 3 weeks ago, the first time I flashed everything worked. The HD2 is very stable, the ROMs on this site can be very stable.
Read the instructions carefully, make sure you have everything you need and a few hours spare to do the work. If you do this everything will be fine.
The Radio, MAGLDR and HSPL are as easy to install as a stock ROM, once you've read the instructions available.
NOW GO BUY YOUR HD2!!!!
NOW INSTALL WP7!!!

Thank you all for the replies and your be happy to know that I brought a HD2 yesterday on eBay for £177 I can't wait to get my hands on it =-D

jackal992 said:
ok. thanks a lot!! last question: i already tried to change bootloaders and roms in previuos winmo phones, luckily always all was ok. But in the hd2 is enough simple change bootloader/radio? i know that there are always risks but i've seen a lot of threads about "bricked" and "dead"/no more usable hd2. My question then is: if you follow carefully instructions of cookers is enough improbable that you brick your phone?? is this true? sorry for my bad english!
ps: can i trust buying used hd2 that already have android or however unofficial roms? This doesn't mean that these phones are "bricked", is this correct? even better then i may not have to change radio, correct? thank you very much!!
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I would prefer to buy a stock device rather than one that could of been subject to a lot of flashing ect.
Also try to buy the revision model identified by having yellow reset button rather than red.
These are reported to have better motherboards & screen assemblies (HTC revised model due to large amount of motherboard & screen fault warranty returns)
If buying used don't buy anything that sounds a bit iffy, HD2 is not a cheap or simple device to fix.

Still recommend HD2?

Recently I built a Windows Home Server 2011 box and it allows media streaming with server side transcoding to a Windows Phone 7. I've never used a WP7 device before, but would like to try it out. I've seen info about being able to dual boot an HD2 with Android and WP7. That would be awesome as I am a big Android user right now on my Vibrant. At about $150 on ebay, would anyone recommend the HD2 to test out WP7? For about the same price I can get an HD7, but lose the Android ability. How well do both OS's work on this phone? Thanks

The HD2 is an amazing phone and both OS's work great on it. I would get the HD2 again if I had the spare money but I'm satisfied with my G2x.
Sent from my Weaponized G2x

HD2 is really the best phone which I have ever used. No one can convience to step over to another phone.

HD2, the ever green smart phone, is still the best. Not only 2 operating system option but also 5 more...and each of them work great impeccable.
But you should have this in mind that this phone is getting old and although we still benefit from the latest updates in android and WP7 but some major things like display quality or perhaps hardware capabilities may tight our developing.
Anyway, If I had any choices undoubtedly I would bought HD2 again and again. How many phones can you name that now can run ICS? None of previous heros except HD2, The LEO.
Sent from my HD2 (HyperDroid)

Yo are so right about the HD2. Now it's the only phone with buttons.

Here's a post I made earlier this year.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=11479150&postcount=17
Apart from Android emerging from beta to almost there and the want dual core shifting to want quad core, no change.
The HD2 is still doing it, in spades.
It's a classic. When I do eventually upgrade and buy an HTC Humdinger™ it will have at least 4 cores running at 1 gig with at least 2GB DDR RAM
Until then I'll keep my HD2. Even then, I'll keep my HD2.

compact_bijou said:
Apart from Android emerging from beta to almost there and the want dual core shifting to want quad core, no change.
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Are you referring to Android for this phone?
I'm really leaning towards selling off some of my older electronics to cover the cost for one of these phones. Then I can test out WP7 and whatever other OS I can put on there. I'll still keep my Vibrant, as I know I do still really like Android and having a built for Android device is good to keep around. Based on the comments on this thread, $150 seems worth it.
That being said, does anyone think there will be another phone in the future that is similar to this? Will there ever be another phone that so many OS'es will be developed for? I've never seen this in a phone before and I wonder if it will ever happen again.

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does anyone think there will be another phone in the future that is similar to this?
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Certainly. It's already being built.
One manufacturer will make a well specified device, using the right chips, which all operating systems can talk to,
which a lot of developers will notice, which will be priced right, which will take the market by storm, which will go
EXTRA LARGE on XDA developers and will lead to another HD2 like device only faster. Much MUCH faster
As you point out, the HD2 does pretty much everything, very well, right now and it has done for years.
All that's left is CPU and network speed increases and the ability to switch between operating systems on the fly.
Quad cores, lots of RAM .. any reason why two or three operating systems can't be run simultaneously ?
Wouldn't it be nice to switch between Linux, Android and a Windows 6.5 / 7.0 hybrid like you switch between apps ?
Keep all those familiar legacy apps and selectively take advantage of all the new apps ?

hd2 running many os like Ubuntu, Android, WM6.5, WP7, meego and etc. But my wireless service devider don`t market meego phone and wp7 phone. so I need hd2 to use WP7...

i'm using the HD2 for almost 2 years now and it still works great (Android)!

i also use hd2 whit android and it is great

hd2 is the best whit android

this is the best phone ever, no matter what. though it was built 2 years ago, it is a device with most operating systems ported...my father used it for one and a half year, and i'm using it now....wouldn't change it for nothing...
...and all the roms are free, so you do the math