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choosing decision: XDA2 vs P900

Good Day to you all.
This is my first post here as i joined just now because of an ongoing promo on XDA2 and P900 in SMART Philippines.
I am a avid :shock: SMARTPHONE user, Tanager E100, is and was my previous unit UNTIL im gonna decide to go for either XDA2 or P900.
Now, I wouldn't have registered here if I didn't LIKE the XDA2, however since MOST of you here are already experienced users, I would like to ask ALL of you TO HELP me COMPARE the two units and SHOW the GOOD as well as the BAD sides of each. Pocket PC / Communicators are a new field for me as I am a SMARTPHONE user.
Thats where I need your INPTS. Thank you.

It really depends on whether you want a fantastic pda with a built in phone function (XDAII) or a phone with a built in pad function (P900). The 'built in' part being compromised on both machines.
I personally have have all of Nokia's Communicator series and both types of XDA and having seen and used a friend's P900, I would definately recommend the XDAII.

Thanks, I need more info though.
Thanks, Now for Techies, The SPECS say that:
XDA2 has 400MHZ Intel PSX??? processor whereas SE P900 has 154Mhz ARM10 processor. How does this compare?
This sounds like comparing a MAC and a PENTIUM based PC does it?
And which has the larger market support Windows Mobile 2003 or Symbian Technology?
Hope I get your comments, Thanks.

chameleon
They're both ARM processors, so no it's not like the difference between 680??/PowerPC MACs and 80x86/Pentium IBM PCs - There is a REAL speed difference here.
I would think that the 'largest' market base is with Symbian as it's used in lots of phones and not just the P800/P900s (they're just the top end). Consider that most of the current Nokia (who are the largest global supplier of mobile phones) use the Symbian OS and that there are FAR more Mobile Phones than PDAs

jwealthall said:
I would think that the 'largest' market base is with Symbian as it's used in lots of phones and not just the P800/P900s (they're just the top end). Consider that most of the current Nokia (who are the largest global supplier of mobile phones) use the Symbian OS and that there are FAR more Mobile Phones than PDAs
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I'd have to disagree with that view, yes there are more Symbian based phones than there are WM2003 based phones but only a few Symbian handsets have any real PDA functionality.
The PocketPC userbase is vast and growing with a huge array of applications, utilities etc, far in excess of that available for P800/P900's.

Griffog,
I agree, when comparing P800/P900 numbers to Pocket PC numbers then there are far more Pocket PCs .... Although I wouldn't like to guess that this were true for Pocket PC Mobiles.
Yes, there would be a far greater range of applications for Pocket PCs although far fewer mobile specific ones.
At the end of the day, I'd personally choose an XDA type device - I just wish that the specification meant that you didn't loose all your software/data when the device ran out of power - In this day and age that is quite simply rediculous!!!

Thanks a lot folks, JWEATHALL and GRIFFOG and XDA-ROCKS
British/English Folks help a lot, dont they? im still waiting for replies from other nationalities.
You've CONVINCED me. Though I needed less convincing anyway, as I was inching towards having an O2 XDA II as offered by our service provider here.
My XDA II will be arriving shortly and I cant wait. :wink: :wink:
Now the FUN part, trying to understand how it works, with my smartphone background, i know it would be easy, but its not going to be a walk in the park.
My favorite amd very useful apps in smartphone are:
1. PHM Registry Editor (for cool tweaking)
2. Smart Explorer
3. SP Task Manager
4. Mitac Phonebackup
5. Pocket TV and MVP
6. Sprite Backup
7. Twyx Imeter
8. Nintendo Emulator
Are these EASILY available for XDA2?
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Im looking forward to GREAT PDA functions from my XDA, would greatly appreciate the MS Office apps.
Im planning to buy :shock: Wi-Fi SD expansion card :shock: , which I will use to our Wi-Fi server, is it easy to setup?
Id appreciate the replies. Thanks again

You're in for a treat - most of those apps are available for PocketPC and if you're into emulators there's even freeware emu's for the Playstation and Gameboy Advance

@chameleon,
Welcome aboard!!!
I used to have a P800 (wich is very close to the P900)... I was really into Sony Ericsson phones/pdas, I even have a portal dedicated to them... www.sonyericssonfans.com
But I really went ahead switched to the MDA2 and love every bit of it...
Lots of software and emulators!!!!
Let us know what you think once you have it...
Rayan

you wont have a problem working the XDA if you know how to use a windows pc
the SPV series is hard to set up and configure compared to the XDA as you can touch whats on screen and not having to navigate through menus all the time
gaz

I was there. I got XDA2 as soon as it was released in Dubai. Then, P900 came out and I've sold XDA2 and got P900. It's a very cool device, specially 5 way jog - it is something every PDA maker should license from Sony, IMHO. Functionality wise I wasn't very impressed. And the most annoying part was BT. They just hate each other - P900 and HBH-65
Back to XDA2 now and more hat happy with it. Really hope that SE will bring functional BT and better dialer.

Hi, All out there
I am also a NewBie here. Happily came here with a good chance, I have learned a lot from here although not long. I had bought an O2 XDA2 for my wife and I am going to buy another one for myself. I am going to dwelling deeply into it technically. The bad side of this stuff, my personal feeling, is that they only implement one SD slot. If they can implement it with two SD slots, then things would be much more wonderful.

missa,
i think there is a BACKPACK accessory than you ca purchase for your XDA 2, it contains 2 SD/MC slots and an additional BATT, plus an RCA jack??, not sure with this.
Thanks FOLKS, i have my XDA already and im tinkering with it right now.
This is GREAT. hehehe.

Ive got a P800 and I want to go for a XDA something, I might wait for the XDA3, I need something with Wifi and the new P910 just doesnt have it and you cant get extra wifi with the sony memorystick duo! which sucks a little.
Yes the 5 way jog dial from sony is totaly cool and just great for doing stuff with one hand, only real good thing about the phone. As for a PDA device, its not that great! I try and use it to the max but the screen is just that little to small to do most things with!

depressed after playing with a sidekick 3...

after playing with the sidekick 3 (i am testing one of our store demos), i can't help but to feel depressed. i look at my 8125 with a soft resentment that wasn't there before... angry at how she's sluggish, not nearly as zippity zoom fly as the sidekick 3, angry at how i have tried to use several chat programs (veri, im+, agile, oz) on her but yet, nothing's nearly as efficient and smooth as the sk3, or even sk2 for that matter.
i love my 8125 for all that she is, a huge bloated wm5 machine that can play great videos and can open up my excel documents... but hate her for sucking at everything else including being a phone. at least the sk3 is zippier, faster, and all around a much better phone than the wizard will or could ever be.
these are just my two cents. i will continue to use both, but eventually i will end up wearing my spandex-pleather tights that will only allow me to carry one phone, and then, i won't know which to choose...

theorist said:
but eventually i will end up wearing my spandex-pleather tights that will only allow me to carry one phone, and then, i won't know which to choose...
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um...tmi.
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http://www.liquidgeneration.com/content/showMeDaContent.aspx?cid=1292
I have to agree at least with the sentiment that although HTC are great at pushing Win Mobile along, hardware innovation is limited. However, they've got most of the market already, so pressure on innovation is limited. Other OEMs might innovate, but still, the SideKick is a brand, not just hardware for a platform, so they can afford to box you in to a limited, but very good platform. However, we buy chunky phones, clunky phones, even crap phones, because we want the freedom to do more, as you say.
However, in a generation or few, we should be happy with better hardware. However, it's only 3rd party products like Thumb Magic etc that are really going to make the WinMob platforms more user friendly. MS can't afford to dilute its UI.
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The sidekick can't synch up with outlook though and download corporate e-mail like the Wizard. That is a big thing.

how about all other features man...
u can install all those .cab files and customize ur wizard.. i m not sure if we can do this in sk2/3
having a wifi is too a gr8 thng. i m not facing any issues with my wizard as a phone. for most of the issues we can find the work arounds and tweaks in this forum. this forum rocks..
hope u will like the wizard as u start playing with it...

pmuller said:
The sidekick can't synch up with outlook though and download corporate e-mail like the Wizard. That is a big thing.
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heya. it can sync up with outlooks contacts and todo through their own program that comes with it.

Alternative views http://uk.gizmodo.com/2006/07/13/sidekick_3_the_good_bad_and_ug.html

But...it runs on JAVA :?

Speed also an issue for ex palm OS users
The Wizard device pretty much sucks when it comes to speed. I have found that leaving your programs running almost always solves the problem of slow loading apps. I barely overclock my device (Only set to 204). The latest rom 2.3 by summiter is also a godsend. Faster resets and UI makes this rom a definite upgrade requirement for anyone with an original cingular rom device. the only wish I have is that the device have more program memory so I can leave more items running. Also active sync brings this device to a stand still. The palm OS devices are lightning fast compared to this device. The only benefits the WM5 device has is a better web browser and built in Wifi. Everyone on the forums mentions multitasking but the majority of palm os programs save their current state when switching between apps so its not a real issue.

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pmuller said:
The sidekick can't synch up with outlook though and download corporate e-mail like the Wizard. That is a big thing.
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heya. it can sync up with outlooks contacts and todo through their own program that comes with it.
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but it will never allow me to edit/delete/send e-mails from my outlook server the way that a windows mobile device does. even the blackberry doesn't do it quite as well wirelessly.

I ordered a sidekick 3 the day it was avaliable to me and I got it. I played around on it for a while, and i noticed that it was not that much different than my sidekick 2. just added faster internet, better camera, and MP3 player.
right after I ordered it... i was looking on some Sidekick 3 forums and i noticed people comparing it to the wizard. (which i am going to buy in a couple days).
well I was researching both of the phones... the wizard has pretty much every feature that the Sidekick 3 has, and the sidekick 3 has far far far fewer features than the MDA (HTC Wizard).
Anyway, the little while I was playing with the sidekick 3... it just wasn't worth all that money... seriously, i would want at lease Zoom in the camera... and it isn't a video camera, or anything. MDA is where it is at.

The 8125 is truely the best phone I have ever owned... however I have owned a Sidekick 2 and it was an amazing data device - as a phone, it sucked.
Keyboard on SK2 ... awesome!!!
Keyboard on Treo 650... pretty darn good.
Keyboard on 8125, inconvienent... I find myself typing with the stylus and on-screen keyboard more then I flip it out.
I love my 8125 a lot, but IMHO, it's not the best for typing... plus camera is a major dissapointment.

no offence but to me sidekicks are gay ass little phones. nothing wrong with being gay but having a phone with limited software capabilities is so dumb i don't know what to add. a phone should be universal add and remove, hack and the list continues .................sidekick = 70% & wizard =90%. the .9% being microsoft sucks and HTC's hardware kinda sucks.

I have nothing against Sidekicks. Danger and T-Mobile are addressing a specific portion of the market dead-on with this phone. Sidekicks are sort of fashion statements, for those who want a phone just because Paris or Britney have one. Add to it the my.t-mobile.com stuff for backups, and it makes that market segment very happy. Kudos to Danger and T-mobile for addressing that part of the customer base.
For the limited, non-upgradable, subset of features it has compared to a WM5 device, The SK3 does them well. Danger also put a good amount of effort into making the phone as idiot-proof as possible. For this market segment, ease of use is everything.
I am glad that T-Mobile has very separate phones for the two market segments, because it would plain suck if they dumbed-down a MDA or SDA to a device that celebrity wannabees stick rhinestones and faceted crystals on.
In any case, the Sidekick line isn't a threat to devices like what HTC, Palm, HP, or RIM make. In fact, use of one likely will end up steering users to WM5 phones when they outgrow the Sidekick's fixed and limited capabilities.

GTASouthPark said:
I ordered a sidekick 3 the day it was avaliable to me and I got it. I played around on it for a while, and i noticed that it was not that much different than my sidekick 2. just added faster internet, better camera, and MP3 player.
right after I ordered it... i was looking on some Sidekick 3 forums and i noticed people comparing it to the wizard. (which i am going to buy in a couple days).
well I was researching both of the phones... the wizard has pretty much every feature that the Sidekick 3 has, and the sidekick 3 has far far far fewer features than the MDA (HTC Wizard).
Anyway, the little while I was playing with the sidekick 3... it just wasn't worth all that money... seriously, i would want at lease Zoom in the camera... and it isn't a video camera, or anything. MDA is where it is at.
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Amen.

I might sound crazy for asking this, but I couldn't think of a better place!

Okay, I have have to say, I'm pretty disappointed in PDA phone choices out there. Everything seems to be going "Blackberry" - but I don't like the idea of being limited/forced into Blackberry's services and programs.
So, since they tend to have some cool phones, has anyone tried to make a Windows Mobile 6 version that can replace the Blackberry OS? If so, can you tell me where I could find more information on this? Is it even possible?

ExploreMN said:
Okay, I have have to say, I'm pretty disappointed in PDA phone choices out there. Everything seems to be going "Blackberry" - but I don't like the idea of being limited/forced into Blackberry's services and programs.
So, since they tend to have some cool phones, has anyone tried to make a Windows Mobile 6 version that can replace the Blackberry OS? If so, can you tell me where I could find more information on this? Is it even possible?
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What do you mean "replace"?
What specific functionality do you want added to WM6? In what way do you think Blackberry is superior?
I think that WM6 has more potential than Blackberry. If you like the GUI, you should look around for Today/Homescreens. There are many many plugins which can offer various functionality to give you what you want.

I think he wants to run WM6(standard?) on a Blackberry.
Explore, trust me, its not worth it nor (because of hardware) is it possible if I'm not mistaken.
You're better off with a MotoQ9 or something.
The only reason anyone should have a Blackberry is for work (email) or for the person who doesn't needs the extras of a PDAphone or average Smartphone.
As for the looks & shape you have many similar Smartphones that share the look of the Blkbry.
What type of PDA interests you? Better yet, what are you looking to do with it?
If you like the Blkbry design you have:
Moto Q9, BlackJack II, HP 910 Business Messenger
Slide QWERTY PDAs:
Mogul, Tytn II, Eten M800 etc.
Media focus PDAs
iPhone, HTC Touch/Sprint Touch, N95 etc.
PowerExec phones:
Nokia E90, XDA Flame, I-mate ultimate 9502 etc.
I'm sure at least 2 of them won't dissapoint & 8 of them run a variation of WM6.

Hello from Duluth

Noiro said:
What type of PDA interests you? Better yet, what are you looking to do with it?
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Basically, I'm looking for a PDA that isn't so slow...like my MDA. I mostly use it for e-mail, excel (expense tracking when I'm out), and calendering/scheduling/contacts. It just seems like with the MDA, whenever I do anything there is always a sense of lag and such.
However, I also don't want to spend as much money on a phone as it would cost for a high end laptop (like the JasJar for example).
I just thought perhaps the new blackberries had better than 200Mhz processors in them and could support my needs better if I could get rid of BlackberryOS and put WM6 on instead.

ExploreMN said:
Basically, I'm looking for a PDA that isn't so slow...like my MDA. I mostly use it for e-mail, excel (expense tracking when I'm out), and calendering/scheduling/contacts. It just seems like with the MDA, whenever I do anything there is always a sense of lag and such.
However, I also don't want to spend as much money on a phone as it would cost for a high end laptop (like the JasJar for example).
I just thought perhaps the new blackberries had better than 200Mhz processors in them and could support my needs better if I could get rid of BlackberryOS and put WM6 on instead.
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I don't think this will ever be able to happen.
I have the Sprint Touch and have no issues at all with it's 256MB RAM and 400 Mhz Processor.

Best Alternative to iPhone? Suggestions welcome..

Hi All,
I gave up my Dopod 818 Pro to get an iPhone. But was not happy about the voice dialing, restrictive software etc...etc.. anyways, got rid of the iPhone and looking to buy another HTC product with more friendly Windows product - should I go for Touch HD? How is the call quality? I have been reading in the reviews that the call quality is poor - any cooked ROM or app to increase the call quality? Any other alternatives?
I kind of like the bigger screen face (3.8"), I like to have good call quality and easy to access features? I like the Microsoft Calendar etc, Voice Tagging and voice dialing, file explorer and be able to see what exactly is stored in the phone and not just a black box. I like to press my bluetooth headset and tell it "Call Home" and let it dial rather than fumbling around with the phone when driving. Any recommendations welcome?
Have a great weekend!
Brenda

Have you tried a JAILBROKEN iPhone? I have not researched much into Bluetooth voice dialing yet myself. Have you tried to find out if firmware 3.0 offers what you need?
Anyway, if I'm you I would try to be more thorough in listing my requirements before looking for the new phone. There are a lot of other considerations I'm sure beyond Bluetooth voice dialing.

Hi Steve
Thanks for the reply... I tried the jailbroken iPhone, don't get me wrong it is pretty good but still too much restrictive software - I hate iTunes.. one of the least intuitive programs, wiped out the song collection quite a few times..the jailbroken one gave me cydia and installer...still too cumbersome...
My requirements are:
Atleast 3.2" Touch screen
SMS capability
Microsoft Windows - Calenday, Contacts & Sync with outlook
Voice dialing
Blue Tooth
Good call quality
Play mp3
Enough memory to operate well - I had to clear the memory quite often on the Dopod 818
Ability to browse the web to read yahoo / gmail emails and get some stcok quotes
I am not too keen on camera, I will carry separate one for that
Thanks
Brenda

Brenda_Sheldon said:
Thanks for the reply... I tried the jailbroken iPhone, don't get me wrong it is pretty good but still too much restrictive software - I hate iTunes.. one of the least intuitive programs, wiped out the song collection quite a few times..the jailbroken one gave me cydia and installer...still too cumbersome...
My requirements are:
Atleast 3.2" Touch screen
SMS capability
Microsoft Windows - Calenday, Contacts & Sync with outlook
Voice dialing
Blue Tooth
Good call quality
Play mp3
Enough memory to operate well - I had to clear the memory quite often on the Dopod 818
Ability to browse the web to read yahoo / gmail emails and get some stcok quotes
I am not too keen on camera, I will carry separate one for that
Thanks
Brenda
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If bluetooth voice dialing is high up on your list, and you do not seem to have lots of functional requirements here, I think most of the HTC phones will meet your needs, including HD. But, you know the usual window mobile problems I guess. I would also take a look at HTC Magic and Nokia if your requirements are only those. Current iPhone is weak in bluetooth. Not sure about in firmware 3.0 despite all the speculation.
HTC Magic actually caught my attention and I really want to play with it. I got the impression that it also has multitouch screen like iPhone's. I hope it is as fast, stable, and smooth as iPhone. Unfortunately, I don't seem to be able to find a Telco shop in Sydney that has a demo unit (most just have a dummy). If anyone knows how I explore this alternative phone in Sydney please let me know.

Brenda_Sheldon said:
Hi All,
Any recommendations welcome?
Have a great weekend!
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What is Iphone?
You are in the right thread already...so get yourself a Blackstone

HTC lova said:
...get yourself a Blackstone
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Why buy a phone about to be phased out? If you love HTC phone and have a brand new chance to buy one now, would you not consider Touch Pro 2 and Touch Diamond 2 at least? If nothing else, you get newer ROM that can zoom properly, and not like cooked ROMs ported to HD that can't do proper zooming due to hardware differences.
Or even TG01, with the much more powerful processor?
Or HTC Magic, with it's iPhone like touch screen?

eaglesteve said:
Why buy a phone about to be phased out? If you love HTC phone and have a brand new chance to buy one now, would you not consider Touch Pro 2 and Touch Diamond 2 at least?
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Why buying a new overpriced device with smaller screen / "communicator" keyboard? defeats the purpose of having a touch phone

HTC lova said:
Why buying a new overpriced device with smaller screen / "communicator" keyboard? defeats the purpose of having a touch phone
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I always believe that every user should comprehensively list down what are important to that person, and the list differs from person to person. While I like big screen like you (which was why I still own an Athena), not everyone agrees on what constitute adequate screen size. So, 3.2 inch mentioned by Brenda is small for you and me, but she does not see it as important.
Brenda, I think it pays also to find out the firmware upgrade policy on HTC magic and see if future Android OS would be given to you free of charge. It is sad to see HTC users having to keep paying for new phone over and over again in order to get the most updated ROM. I would take this aspect into account in addition to your listed considerations.

eaglesteve said:
I always believe that every user should comprehensively list down what are important to that person, and the list differs from person to person. While I like big screen like you (which was why I still own an Athena), not everyone agrees on what constitute adequate screen size. So, 3.2 inch mentioned by Brenda is small for you and me, but she does not see it as important.
Brenda, I think it pays also to find out the firmware upgrade policy on HTC magic and see if future Android OS would be given to you free of charge. It is sad to see HTC users having to keep paying for new phone over and over again in order to get the most updated ROM. I would take this aspect into account in addition to your listed considerations.
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I totally agree mate. Brenda asked for suggestions and I stated mine (which is the Blackstone)

I have the HD, but at this point in time...you should look at the newer HTC ppc's Touch Pro 2 or Touch Diamond 2

Does Touch Diamond2 come with voice dialing?
Hi Steve and HTC Lova,
I seriously looked in to Diamond2 especially the call quality was rated high - but I then I read some review that it does not support voice dialing. If that's the case then I have to rule it out unless there is a voice cab that can be easily loaded and activated.
Is the Touch Pro2 kind of heavy - 178 gm compared to Diamond2's 117 gm or Touch HD's 146 gm?
I am not sure about the HTC Magic - android - especially if I have to pay for firmware..
Will wait to hear from you guys on the Diamond2 voice dial cab.
Thanks
Brenda

Brenda,
You can always install microsoft voice command by yourself.

Good to know....
Hi Steve,
Thanks for the fast reply...How good is the Microsoft voice software? Have you used it? In my previous Dopod 818, I installed a voice cab file and thought it was better than any thing else..I am not sure where I got the voice.cab file from.
Is it similar to Dopod to flash similar cab files in Diamond2?
Thanks again.
Brenda

Brenda_Sheldon said:
Hi Steve,
Thanks for the fast reply...How good is the Microsoft voice software? Have you used it? In my previous Dopod 818, I installed a voice cab file and thought it was better than any thing else..I am not sure where I got the voice.cab file from.
Is it similar to Dopod to flash similar cab files in Diamond2?
Thanks again.
Brenda
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I have tried both cyberon voice commander and microsoft voice command. None works for me because I can't speak with American or British accent I guess. It is so inaccurate and frustrating that I gave up quickly years ago. I always prefer speed dial button style of calling. When I flash cooked ROMs, I always choose the version that does not do voice dial.

just got $100 ticket for having iPhone in the hand...
Steve,
I just got a $100 ticket for picking up the iPhone, that made my decision to get rid of that... I had pretty good connection between the dopod 818 and the headset, but gave away the dopod to a friend...regret that...
I am going to look in to Diamond2 more and make the decision soon - seems light enough, as long as i can read occasional yahoo mail and send my son sms, it will be good.. I liked the iPhone's big screen and quick response but the non-windows application drove me nuts...
I did take a look at TG01...not sure where to get it and more importantly the price..looks like it may be exorbidant.
Thanks for the inputs..
Brenda

Brenda,
Another iPhone alternative that caught my eye is Palm Pre. The user interface is also fantastic, very similar to iPhone in some ways. Here are some video demo
http://gizmodo.com/5126752/palm-pre-full-video-tours
This is Palm's version of WM7, so is definitely worth taking a close look.
Has an incredible browser that should be a good match for Safari. See here:
http://palmgoon.com/meet-the-web-browser-on-the-pre/
Apparently, the palm pre browser handles flash!
I have not gone deep enough into it and researched enough to say if if it good or not. Just as a potential candidate for evaluation I think it qualifies. In case I'm starting to sound like a Palm fanboy, I assure everyone that I'm still a winmo and iPhone fanboy in and out
Hack, when you got a chance to buy a new phone, with so many new candidates on the market, why not keep our mind completely open once again? The bar has been lifted higher and higher each year. Why choose a device based on very low expectation and standard?
The most important area to research IMO is what sorts of third party software could be found and their quality. If it has an apple store equivalent, then I think it would be extremely attractive. If anyone here can speed up our learning process in this area I'd greatly appreciate it. I like to know if I can run the like of TomTom, iGO, etc on Palm Pre, or if it has a credible GPS software of its own. I also have lots of other questions like if an MS Offfice compatible spreadsheet exist, any good Golf Score/Handicapping software, quality of video capture and playing software, quality of camera, ease of downloading movies/MP3 etc, likes of eWallet type software, likes of Cash Organiser Premium type software, etc etc. I'm also interesting in seeing the "file structure"/file coying/file moving/file renaming features. I want to make sure that it is not just a phone, but a computer. Can someone help?
I could'nt find definite anwer to your question on whether it can do voice dialing over bluetooth, but here is a thread that you can follow:
http://forum.treonauts.com/palm-sma...l-pre-allow-voice-dialing-over-bluetooth.html
Cheers.

galaxys said:
I have the HD, but at this point in time...you should look at the newer HTC ppc's Touch Pro 2 or Touch Diamond 2
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If you don't need a bigger screen, the Touch Diamond2 is a great phone. If you need a bigger screen like the HD, then the upcoming Firestone might be worth waiting for http://www.gsmarena.com/htc_2009_roadmap_gets_updated_now_weve_got_the_specs-news-821.php
If you need a keyboard, then the Touch Pro2 might be what you need.
I have an HD with my eye on the Firestone.

Matterhorn said:
If you need a keyboard, then the Touch Pro2 might be what you need.
I have an HD with my eye on the Firestone.
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Definately the Firestone is on my list for an upgrade when it shows up in Oct. or Nov.! But, I'll be playing with the TP2 w/ 3G on t-mobile USA!!

I'm curious to see what the battery life is going to be like on the Toshiba Tg01, i'm a little disenfranchised with HTC's incremental (if that much) upgrades.
The Tg01 seems much snappier and seems to have really good graphics performance, which is more than we can say for the last couple HTC iterations.
The only thing remaining for me to find out, is the battery life, and if there is any hope for a US operator to take it up...OR...another market that uses US 3g bands.

hmm. i dont know about rushing for firestone. i think hd will be great phone for long time. it has got nice hardware and maybe it will run android or wm7.

Palm Will No Longer Develop Windows Mobile Devices

Have you guys seen this?
I know it makes business sense for Palm...but does this mean they (Palm) will leave Palm Treo Pro users out in the cold?

yes. it does.

Unluckily the things seem to be working this way. The latest device will be provided with "Palm WebOS", a fake Palm OS operating system based on Web surfing and a proprietary interface that has nothing to do with previous editions....... As usual, Palm repeatedly changed his mind last years, and now all of us have a ****in' piece of plastics that is worth always less.......... Thank you Palm, thank you for having cheated us

Understand what Palm need
I understand what Palm need
For the first time, since Treo 700w/750 many "great" idea from Palm are revealed and distribute to another ROM (competitor). Program like SMSThreated etc, now become default on many today Windows Mobile gadget.
Maybe Palm need to protect their future idea from another WinMo users
Palm has make their decission, to focus "fake" Palm WebOS. Well, lets see how their mind (Palm inc.) will change, if their WinMo customers switch to another HTC gadget
Oh my gosh... Treo Pro and Treo 750 will be my last Palm gadget, instead of Centro or oldies Treo 650

Maybe that's why my telco dropped the Treo Pro when it had only been out 6 months - had to buy from an unaffiliated box seller (cheaper that way though).
Recent Treos, and a couple of HTC models (e.g. touch pro2), are the only WM devices that I'd consider to be ok-good as a *phone*, rather than a "workable PDA with voice tacked on".