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I AM DEBATING WHICH PDA TO PURCHASE EITHER AN XDA2 OR THE P900, I PREFER THE XDA2 BUT THERE SEEMS TO BE ALOT MORE SOFTWARE AVAILABLE ON THE SYMBIAN OS. SO I WAS WONDERING IF I COULD RUN THE SYMBIAN OS ON THE XDA2. APPOLOGIES IF THIS IS A DUMB QUESTION, IM NEW TO THIS! PS DOES ANYONE KNOW WHERE I CAN BUY A QTEK2020:?
Symbian or WM2003?! Please!
I suspect you are coming from a Symbian background. Buy XDA2. Inspite of all what you might have heard, MS Windows Mobile beats any other Mobile OS. I talk as a person who had gone through all there is, Psion 5mx, m130, Treo 180, Sony Clie NR70V, Ipaq, XDA etc. I actually prefer XDA1 to P900. WM may have fewer number of software titles (though I doubt that strongly) but it has the most EXCITING collection.
Symbian vs MS Mobile
Symbian devices has one huge advantage - they don't loose their programs when the battery goes dead.
Also, the OS is by far more stable than Windows and generally more easy to learn and maintain.
But, unfortunately, many of the exciting applications as Abbas points out are running Windows Mobile, so this is where I am at the moment.
I would love a Symbian PDA with XDA II capabilities, perhaps the next Nokia Communicator. At the moment I very satisfied with my XDA II
Abbas: I love your tag line, I quite agree, Palestine has been used for decades as an excuse to commit violence. I wish they could come to an agreement down there.
Regards
Michael
Correct
You got my tilt correct. Symbian may be everything that you have said, but I found windows mobiles softwares better, and I also hate symbian phone makers lack of standard. Nokia or siemens will use multimedia card, while SonyErricson stuck to ultra propietary memory stick duo. If you change from XDA to HP928, to MPx200 or e100, most of the accessories you have invested in (memory cards, wifi or bluetooth cards etc) will continue to be useful.
i'm almost 100% sure that if sony makes a mw2003 pda/phone then it too will use memory stick it's their std they will never stop hunting you hhmpf i mean pushing it
Re: Symbian vs MS Mobile
bodstrup said:
Symbian devices has one huge advantage - they don't loose their programs when the battery goes dead.
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That's a limitation of the hardware, not the OS. There could be a Pocket PC device that uses 100% nonvolatile memory instead of battery-powered RAM. But that device would be more expensive.
symbian
i have had 3 three years using a symbian system the wm is much more user friendly and interacts with my desktop a lot easier i would be slow going back to a symbian system 2 of my colegues at work have p800 and they love the xda and one of them is about to change to a xda ( the otherrs too tight ).
regards kevin b
Good Day to you all.
This is my first post here as i joined just now because of an ongoing promo on XDA2 and P900 in SMART Philippines.
I am a avid :shock: SMARTPHONE user, Tanager E100, is and was my previous unit UNTIL im gonna decide to go for either XDA2 or P900.
Now, I wouldn't have registered here if I didn't LIKE the XDA2, however since MOST of you here are already experienced users, I would like to ask ALL of you TO HELP me COMPARE the two units and SHOW the GOOD as well as the BAD sides of each. Pocket PC / Communicators are a new field for me as I am a SMARTPHONE user.
Thats where I need your INPTS. Thank you.
It really depends on whether you want a fantastic pda with a built in phone function (XDAII) or a phone with a built in pad function (P900). The 'built in' part being compromised on both machines.
I personally have have all of Nokia's Communicator series and both types of XDA and having seen and used a friend's P900, I would definately recommend the XDAII.
Thanks, I need more info though.
Thanks, Now for Techies, The SPECS say that:
XDA2 has 400MHZ Intel PSX??? processor whereas SE P900 has 154Mhz ARM10 processor. How does this compare?
This sounds like comparing a MAC and a PENTIUM based PC does it?
And which has the larger market support Windows Mobile 2003 or Symbian Technology?
Hope I get your comments, Thanks.
chameleon
They're both ARM processors, so no it's not like the difference between 680??/PowerPC MACs and 80x86/Pentium IBM PCs - There is a REAL speed difference here.
I would think that the 'largest' market base is with Symbian as it's used in lots of phones and not just the P800/P900s (they're just the top end). Consider that most of the current Nokia (who are the largest global supplier of mobile phones) use the Symbian OS and that there are FAR more Mobile Phones than PDAs
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I would think that the 'largest' market base is with Symbian as it's used in lots of phones and not just the P800/P900s (they're just the top end). Consider that most of the current Nokia (who are the largest global supplier of mobile phones) use the Symbian OS and that there are FAR more Mobile Phones than PDAs
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I'd have to disagree with that view, yes there are more Symbian based phones than there are WM2003 based phones but only a few Symbian handsets have any real PDA functionality.
The PocketPC userbase is vast and growing with a huge array of applications, utilities etc, far in excess of that available for P800/P900's.
Griffog,
I agree, when comparing P800/P900 numbers to Pocket PC numbers then there are far more Pocket PCs .... Although I wouldn't like to guess that this were true for Pocket PC Mobiles.
Yes, there would be a far greater range of applications for Pocket PCs although far fewer mobile specific ones.
At the end of the day, I'd personally choose an XDA type device - I just wish that the specification meant that you didn't loose all your software/data when the device ran out of power - In this day and age that is quite simply rediculous!!!
Thanks a lot folks, JWEATHALL and GRIFFOG and XDA-ROCKS
British/English Folks help a lot, dont they? im still waiting for replies from other nationalities.
You've CONVINCED me. Though I needed less convincing anyway, as I was inching towards having an O2 XDA II as offered by our service provider here.
My XDA II will be arriving shortly and I cant wait. :wink: :wink:
Now the FUN part, trying to understand how it works, with my smartphone background, i know it would be easy, but its not going to be a walk in the park.
My favorite amd very useful apps in smartphone are:
1. PHM Registry Editor (for cool tweaking)
2. Smart Explorer
3. SP Task Manager
4. Mitac Phonebackup
5. Pocket TV and MVP
6. Sprite Backup
7. Twyx Imeter
8. Nintendo Emulator
Are these EASILY available for XDA2?
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Im looking forward to GREAT PDA functions from my XDA, would greatly appreciate the MS Office apps.
Im planning to buy :shock: Wi-Fi SD expansion card :shock: , which I will use to our Wi-Fi server, is it easy to setup?
Id appreciate the replies. Thanks again
You're in for a treat - most of those apps are available for PocketPC and if you're into emulators there's even freeware emu's for the Playstation and Gameboy Advance
@chameleon,
Welcome aboard!!!
I used to have a P800 (wich is very close to the P900)... I was really into Sony Ericsson phones/pdas, I even have a portal dedicated to them... www.sonyericssonfans.com
But I really went ahead switched to the MDA2 and love every bit of it...
Lots of software and emulators!!!!
Let us know what you think once you have it...
Rayan
you wont have a problem working the XDA if you know how to use a windows pc
the SPV series is hard to set up and configure compared to the XDA as you can touch whats on screen and not having to navigate through menus all the time
gaz
I was there. I got XDA2 as soon as it was released in Dubai. Then, P900 came out and I've sold XDA2 and got P900. It's a very cool device, specially 5 way jog - it is something every PDA maker should license from Sony, IMHO. Functionality wise I wasn't very impressed. And the most annoying part was BT. They just hate each other - P900 and HBH-65
Back to XDA2 now and more hat happy with it. Really hope that SE will bring functional BT and better dialer.
Hi, All out there
I am also a NewBie here. Happily came here with a good chance, I have learned a lot from here although not long. I had bought an O2 XDA2 for my wife and I am going to buy another one for myself. I am going to dwelling deeply into it technically. The bad side of this stuff, my personal feeling, is that they only implement one SD slot. If they can implement it with two SD slots, then things would be much more wonderful.
missa,
i think there is a BACKPACK accessory than you ca purchase for your XDA 2, it contains 2 SD/MC slots and an additional BATT, plus an RCA jack??, not sure with this.
Thanks FOLKS, i have my XDA already and im tinkering with it right now.
This is GREAT. hehehe.
Ive got a P800 and I want to go for a XDA something, I might wait for the XDA3, I need something with Wifi and the new P910 just doesnt have it and you cant get extra wifi with the sony memorystick duo! which sucks a little.
Yes the 5 way jog dial from sony is totaly cool and just great for doing stuff with one hand, only real good thing about the phone. As for a PDA device, its not that great! I try and use it to the max but the screen is just that little to small to do most things with!
Okay, I have have to say, I'm pretty disappointed in PDA phone choices out there. Everything seems to be going "Blackberry" - but I don't like the idea of being limited/forced into Blackberry's services and programs.
So, since they tend to have some cool phones, has anyone tried to make a Windows Mobile 6 version that can replace the Blackberry OS? If so, can you tell me where I could find more information on this? Is it even possible?
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Okay, I have have to say, I'm pretty disappointed in PDA phone choices out there. Everything seems to be going "Blackberry" - but I don't like the idea of being limited/forced into Blackberry's services and programs.
So, since they tend to have some cool phones, has anyone tried to make a Windows Mobile 6 version that can replace the Blackberry OS? If so, can you tell me where I could find more information on this? Is it even possible?
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What do you mean "replace"?
What specific functionality do you want added to WM6? In what way do you think Blackberry is superior?
I think that WM6 has more potential than Blackberry. If you like the GUI, you should look around for Today/Homescreens. There are many many plugins which can offer various functionality to give you what you want.
I think he wants to run WM6(standard?) on a Blackberry.
Explore, trust me, its not worth it nor (because of hardware) is it possible if I'm not mistaken.
You're better off with a MotoQ9 or something.
The only reason anyone should have a Blackberry is for work (email) or for the person who doesn't needs the extras of a PDAphone or average Smartphone.
As for the looks & shape you have many similar Smartphones that share the look of the Blkbry.
What type of PDA interests you? Better yet, what are you looking to do with it?
If you like the Blkbry design you have:
Moto Q9, BlackJack II, HP 910 Business Messenger
Slide QWERTY PDAs:
Mogul, Tytn II, Eten M800 etc.
Media focus PDAs
iPhone, HTC Touch/Sprint Touch, N95 etc.
PowerExec phones:
Nokia E90, XDA Flame, I-mate ultimate 9502 etc.
I'm sure at least 2 of them won't dissapoint & 8 of them run a variation of WM6.
Hello from Duluth
Noiro said:
What type of PDA interests you? Better yet, what are you looking to do with it?
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Basically, I'm looking for a PDA that isn't so slow...like my MDA. I mostly use it for e-mail, excel (expense tracking when I'm out), and calendering/scheduling/contacts. It just seems like with the MDA, whenever I do anything there is always a sense of lag and such.
However, I also don't want to spend as much money on a phone as it would cost for a high end laptop (like the JasJar for example).
I just thought perhaps the new blackberries had better than 200Mhz processors in them and could support my needs better if I could get rid of BlackberryOS and put WM6 on instead.
ExploreMN said:
Basically, I'm looking for a PDA that isn't so slow...like my MDA. I mostly use it for e-mail, excel (expense tracking when I'm out), and calendering/scheduling/contacts. It just seems like with the MDA, whenever I do anything there is always a sense of lag and such.
However, I also don't want to spend as much money on a phone as it would cost for a high end laptop (like the JasJar for example).
I just thought perhaps the new blackberries had better than 200Mhz processors in them and could support my needs better if I could get rid of BlackberryOS and put WM6 on instead.
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I don't think this will ever be able to happen.
I have the Sprint Touch and have no issues at all with it's 256MB RAM and 400 Mhz Processor.
Hi guys,
I currently use for my professionnal use my beloved treo pro, even it lacks some beautiful details of my ex 750v :
- glossy plastic instead of "velvet" feeling body of the 750,
- less than quality keyboard compared to the circled arrangement of the keys, and touch contact quality of its predecessor,
But higher resolution, wifi inside are so important improvement, that I could not go without.
But, as I'm getting aged (ok, not so much), I tried several other devices, but I did not feel at home as I do with wm devices, specially because of the sync way I use for outlook.
I dont want exchange things, wifi "ad hoc" created lans (as I used for my pixi plus), don't want either to depend on a third part (gmail, g something).
I use also an iphone, really great device, because it CAN synchronize on itself (yes, using itune,I reckon).
New winmo7 can't do that (wonder why?)
I also bought Bb Torch, tried a bold 9780, looking the future dakota specs, but again, outlook sync is so aukward, and so slow
I kept the iphone for what it is aimed to : a fantastic mini tab, super internet experience, multiple apps, but not very usable as a simple phone.
So, is there a wm device that will finally match my requirements
- a physical keyboard, NOT sliding (very unconfortable ro use with only one hand, that is one off the main reasons I did not keep the Bb Torch),
- Bigger screen possible (at least, more than the native 320x320 treo's),
- outlook sync directely with my computer
As it seems to me, there is only one pricey choice. the motorola ES 400,but I really dont need the military specs, especially because it's making it bolder.
So, any advices are welcome !!
Philippe
Adding my 20 cents....
I also would like to change my Treo Pro with a new device with bigger screen and with possibility to have more apps, and that will allow me to buy and download updated maps for TomTom.
I have been searching the web before spending any money, and the final decision is that I will keep my Treo Pro forever.
- iPhone 4: could be the choice, as TomTom is supported, seems to synk Outlook (via iTunes, but better than nothing), has many apps available, but it needs a MINI SIM and I have a company SIM that i cannot change or cut.
- Android: sync with Outlook via cable does not work well, and I cannot use google because not allowed by my company. TomTom is not supported (yet ?), calendar will not handle recurring appointments after 3 months from today, Outlook contacts fields are handled differently so yuo loose all categories, groups and multimple phone nbrs for the same contact
- WinPhone 7: Outlook sync only via cloud, TomTom will never be available.
- WebOS: not so many apps available, including TomTom
- BBerry: I do not use push mail, Outlook sync has some problems, no TomTom.
I really hope my Treo Pro will last long. And if it dies, I can always switch back to my PalmOS Treo 650, that is still functional..
Successor to the Treo Pro?
Hi all. I too wondered what to do... I posted the following on another board:
"My 2yr old Pro is getting long in the tooth and I'm also unable to find useful apps for WM6.1 and the microUSB port died as well. So I'll be replacing this if I can find something viable. I'm after either Android or WM7 for the OS, so crackberries are out. Their newest has nice features but I don't want the BB OS...
Has anyone heard of any new smartphones that have a good touchscreen AND qwerty? I intensly dislike virtual keyboards, as I enter things by touch when I speed dial people. Can't do that on a pretend key. I use AT&T and would need a GSM phone.
Other than video, which is too tiny to bother with anyway, my Treo Pro has done everything I need it to do. Too many phones out now are either smartphones with NO qwerty or "messaging" phones without the capability the Treo has."
I DID get a lead that might work well, other than the problem with syncing Outlook:
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Originally Posted by hockey
The Motorola Droid Pro (and the soon-to-be released unlocked GSM Motorola Pro) look interesting...
I had seen a decent review on Cnet that seemed to say the GSM Droid Pro version would be out by now...
And on Aug31 Mobilegazette.com said "The Motorola PRO+ is an upgraded version of the Motorola PRO, which we suppose is pretty obvious from the name. The thing is that the PRO isn't even out yet, and with an anticipated launch date of October for the PRO+ then it's quite likely that the original PRO will be quietly canned."
It looks VERY interesting since it has the Pro form factor AND The Motorola PRO+ comes with a much larger and more usable screen, a 3.1" 480 x 640 pixel display with Gorilla Glass to protect it.
Does anyone else think this sounds like a worthy replacement for the Winmob 6.1 Treo Pro besides me?
sorry, the sysadmin won't let me post the link to it, so I'll try this: look for the Motorola PRO+ on mobilegazette com, it is in a list by manufacturer on the left side. Just scroll down to it.
Treo Pro successor
I have been looking for a replacement for my aging Treo Pro for many months. I was contemplating buying a Blackberry Bold Touch, but they are not available yet on my carrier (AT&T) and cost more than $600 unlocked.
Then I found out about the Nokia E6.
The Nokia E6 has qwerty, touchscreen, and a d-pad (unlike the Bold Touch which has an optical trackpad). These seem like the most Treo-like features of any phone I have found yet. It seems to edit office documents, open pdf files, and sync with Outlook. An additional plus is that it is available on Amazon for $350 unlocked (cheaper than my Treo Pro or the Treo 680 that preceded it). It also has a 8 megapixel camera with flash and a newer browser than my Treo, two things I was hoping for in my next phone.
The drawbacks are smaller display (though with higher pixel count) and only a 680mhz processor. Some might say Nokia's move away from symbian is a drawback, but Palm no longer exists and I still like my Treo Pro.
I have never used a symbian device so I'm a little nervous about this phone, but if my Treo Pro continues to act up, I may have to take my chances and buy one.
Thoughts?
Been there myself (sort of speak).
Gone from a Treo 750 (...loooong time ago...) to a Nokia E72, then tried and Android device - after falling in love with Android, I have been looking for an Android device similar to the E72/BlackBerry devices, and although the waiting has felt very long, I think I have finally found the solution/right device: Motorola PRO+!
I'm getting my MOTOROLA PRO+ (AKA: MB632, "Elway Plus", apparently...), on Monday, from the UK.
This is a very good device (on paper at the moment, I will find out more in 48h when I finally have it) but for those of us that want a "bar" type, qwerty keyboarded, Android smartphone, for mostly emails, texting, calls (obviously) and - most important (at least as far as Im concerned): one of the best battery lives amongst all Android devices! - this is a dream!
~SilverLad~ said:
Been there myself (sort of speak).
Gone from a Treo 750 (...loooong time ago...) to a Nokia E72, then tried and Android device - after falling in love with Android, I have been looking for an Android device similar to the E72/BlackBerry devices, and although the waiting has felt very long, I think I have finally found the solution/right device: Motorola PRO+!
I'm getting my MOTOROLA PRO+ (AKA: MB632, "Elway Plus", apparently...), on Monday, from the UK.
This is a very good device (on paper at the moment, I will find out more in 48h when I finally have it) but for those of us that want a "bar" type, qwerty keyboarded, Android smartphone, for mostly emails, texting, calls (obviously) and - most important (at least as far as Im concerned): one of the best battery lives amongst all Android devices! - this is a dream!
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WOW ! I'm looking forward to read your feedback on the PRO+ !!! Particularly with regards to Outlook cable sync (recurring appointments more then 3 months in the future are handled ? How are the multiple phone nbrs for the sema contact stored on the phone ?)
Thanks !
iamhiguma said:
WOW ! I'm looking forward to read your feedback on the PRO+ !!! Particularly with regards to Outlook cable sync (recurring appointments more then 3 months in the future are handled ? How are the multiple phone nbrs for the sema contact stored on the phone ?)
Thanks !
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No probs! I will post my findings as I go along - very excited myself!!
MOTOROLA PRO+ "Temp Forum"
Im hoping not to be contravening any rules here but since there is barely any info on the MOTOROLA PRO+ at the moment (not much info either on its predecessor MOTOROLA (DROID) PRO), I though all little bits of infor around (I have posted a few things in different places) could be gathered in one place - HERE: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=19973225#post19973225 ...at least until when (and if) a dedicated section is created for this device...
I'm leaning towards Windows phone 7 or IOS in worst case. I just find MS phones so productive over Android. I went from a Samsung Moment to Treo Pro. So far, it doesnt feel like a downgrade.
Yes I know this is a forum dealing with Android and the Galaxy S...however there are some moments that need to be commemorated.
As most of you know by now, HP has responded to the humiliating failure of their webOS based TouchPad tablet by ending all production of webOS devices (and seem to be about to do the same to their PC line as well). They are saying they are open to someone purchasing the operating system, or licensing it for other devices...but rational voices are rightfully declaring webOS dead once and for all...the final end of Jeff Hawkin's Palm Computing.
webOS is the descendant of the classic Palm OS developed by Hawkins which basically created the market for mobile computing devices for consumers. It was purchased a bit more than a year ago by HP who had intended to use it as the cornerstone for a panoply of mobile products...which never came to be. It is open to debate if the cause of that failure was market realities, or HP corporate chaos, or brand mismanagement, the rise of Android, or Apple being Apple...to be fair the "why" doesn't really matter.
I first entered the mobile computing world with a Palm Tungsten E. I adored it and went on to own 6 Palm OS devices. I still have my favorite Palm device, a Tungsten C, lovingly displayed on my desk like a relic. Palm OS seemed to me at the time to be the perfect compromise between portability and computing power, a simple architecture with thousands and thousands of apps. At the time, Palm and Microsoft's PocketPC were locked in a battle to see who would rule mobile computing...how naive that seems now.
Palm should have been Apple. They really should have been. They had a totally unique niche, and thousands of loyal developers. They had positive buzz in the market and were well liked by the tech press. Their name was synonymous with handheld computers and a powerful brand. They were poised to go beyond PDAs when the Treo was the premier smartphone on the market. Then however, for many sad, inexplicable legal, financial and creative reasons...Palm OS development just stopped and some horrible mistakes were made.
After Palm had been bought and sold by such likes as US Robotics and 3M, Palm was spun out into an independent company again and chose the opposite road that Apple would one day take, splitting into PalmOne for hardware, and PalmSource for software. Palm had lost control of their own OS, with PalmOne licensing the software from PalmSource. From 2002 to 2007 Palm OS 5, codenamed Garnet, was the only offering from PalmSource. They kept promising a next generation OS, to be called Cobalt, but after numerous delays and a half baked attempt at offering both Garnet and Cobalt at once, no devices were ever created using Cobalt. and the Palm OS went into development hell, and PalmSource was bought by ACCESS in a scheme to create the first consumer oriented Linux mobile OS. No devices have ever used the Access Linus OS, either. When it was clear ACCESS had no clue what they were doing, PalmOne renamed themselves Palm again and chose not to license their own OS back and instead created webOS. The Palm Pre was supposed to be the great iPhone killer...but wasn't. Then HP bought Palm and the rest is history...or tragedy.
If Palm had made use of the years between 2005 and 2010 to innovate and make use of their army of developers, Apple's iPhone could very well have found themselves struggling to enter a marklet dominated by the Treo 3G. Instead, Steve Jobs just swept the bones of the Palm OS out of the way and claimed many of the revolutionary features of Palm OS among his own inventions.
What can Google learn from all of this to help Android? First of all, keep control of the OS at ALL COSTS. Hardware may come, hardware may go, but the OS is the key. Next, keep momentum at all times. If a mobile OS stops developing and innovating, it dies.
Lastly, never assume that the status quo will remain static. Ten years ago the companies to watch in the mobile space were Palm and Microsoft...now one is gone and the other is a minor force in mobile. 5 years ago Blackberry ruled. Now, the question is who will buy them for patents and customer base. Currently Apple and Google are titans which fanbois will tell you will reign forever...but either one could be sent back to being an also-ran and a trivia question by just a few serious mis-steps.
The mobile market is a volatile, ever changing thing...for now, we all love our Samsung Android phones...in a year, will we still say the same, or will my SGS sit next to my Tungsten C as I write about how great Android was back in the day?
Very nicely written and informative post. But perhaps it would get more attention in the general android section? It really deserves it!
Very nice reading my friend!... I think you have a really valid point... "Hardware may come, Hardware may go...." If Google doesn't take FULL control of Android it will fragment to much until it dies... If the companies (Samsung, Sony Ericsson, HTC, LG etc...) Want Android to power their devices then is up to them to standarize some sort of hardware and Not Android to accomodate to each one of them...
At the end only time will tell what's going to happen as you clearly mention with Palm vs Microsoft example...
My 2 cents...
JIM
Yup, RIP webOS. It really is freaking awesome OS, my other phone is palm pre. It's a shame it never really took of, ot would be killer OS on a proper hardware.
Hope they make it open source and/or license it to OEMs.
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