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This seems like an internal message to T-Mobile employees.
http://mobile.engadget.com/2010/08/19/t-mobile-tells-reps-the-vibrant-gps-update-is-coming-soon/
cool. More info is good info.
People keep talking about samsung not updating or what not.
I hope these statements proves Samsung is trying this time. GPS fix and froyo and ill be a happy clam..
Yesssssir
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If you squint to read the actual T-Mobile memo -- the first paragraph meant for internal consumption, not the quoted line to be given to customers -- it looks like the schedule for all end users to get the update may slip a bit past September (my emphasis):
The software update is expected to roll out beginning in September.
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If you squint to read the actual T-Mobile memo -- the first paragraph meant for internal consumption, not the quoted line to be given to customers -- it looks like the schedule for all end users to get the update may slip a bit past September (my emphasis):
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They say that because OTA updates are rolled out in stages. If they pushed a large update to everyone on their network, the network would bog. Also, this is to make sure the update is tested in "packets" of people, so if there is a problem with the update, only 1 percent of your user base will be affected.
OTAs usually take 2-3 weeks to roll out to everyone. So that is why they say "beginning"
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They say that because OTA updates are rolled out in stages. If they pushed a large update to everyone on their network, the network would bog. Also, this is to make sure the update is tested in "packets" of people, so if there is a problem with the update, only 1 percent of your user base will be affected.
OTAs usually take 2-3 weeks to roll out to everyone. So that is why they say "beginning"
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I understand all that quite well. Just trying to get people's expectations grounded in reality. We should pay attention to what the memo actually says, not what we wish it says.
Many folks seem to be assuming they will get a "fix" in September for sure. What they can expect is sofware to "optimize GPS performance," whatever that means. And they might not get the update until sometime in October if the rollout begins at the end of September and takes several weeks. If it begins Sept. 1, it could be sooner.
When customers are dealing with 14-day return policies from T-Mobile, these distinctions are very important.
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I understand all that quite well. Just trying to get people's expectations grounded in reality. We should pay attention to what the memo actually says, not what we wish it says.
Many folks seem to be assuming they will get a "fix" in September for sure. What they can expect is sofware to "optimize GPS performance," whatever that means. And they might not get the update until sometime in October if the rollout begins at the end of September and takes several weeks. If it begins Sept. 1, it could be sooner.
When customers are dealing with 14-day return policies from T-Mobile, these distinctions are very important.
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Well "optimizing" is what needs to happen. The GPS isn't broken, it just doesn't work very well. If it were broken, it wouldn't work at all. It does see your general location, however the performance of locating and tracking needs to be improved. Hence it needs "optimizing".
Actually in my case and a few others, the gps doesn't work at all. Never has a lock despite how many satellites are in view and how strong the signal is.
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It's the last part of the definition that bothers me "functional as possible". If it's a hardware issue then they are probably going to try to make it as "functional as possible" on broken hardware and therefore is not really fixed. We will see....
I am using unlocked samsung vibrant but I am not on T mobile network. So will I get the update ?
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I am using unlocked samsung vibrant but I am not on T mobile network. So will I get the update ?
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Not OTA. Perhaps there will be a direct dl, but you'll have to wait for it.
I heard that i9000 in other countries always update through the Samsung software ONLY,
Do we need it for vibrant too or we have OTA in US
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I heard that i9000 in other countries always update through the Samsung software ONLY,
Do we need it for vibrant too or we have OTA in US
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The countries that have the I9000 have a different business model than the U.S. industry has evolved. The sales of phones and the sales of cellphone service in Europe are not so strongly linked. U.S. telecoms dominate the distribution of phones, and they provide updates to the firmware OTA. So U.S. Vibrant owners can expect to get an update that way.
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The countries that have the I9000 have a different business model than the U.S. industry has evolved. The sales of phones and the sales of cellphone service in Europe are not so strongly linked. U.S. telecoms dominate the distribution of phones, and they provide updates to the firmware OTA. So U.S. Vibrant owners can expect to get an update that way.
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so basically we dont need the KIES (?) for vibrant?
Stupid questions about this issue?
OK, I understand that things move slow in the corporate world, but someone please explain? I can understand there may be strategic reasons for releasing FroYo in dribs & drabs, but that will be to make something decent, better. But, does anyone have an opinion about the alleged GPS optimization, from the standpoint of it being ready or not? What I mean is: there's a lot of upset folks NOW because of the problem. "If" the "fix" is ready, why not release it now-ish? Does the target date mean that they're hoping against hope that someone in-house will figure it out by then? I'm sure a developer who knows inner workings of development teams can explain why? I guess the disconnect is: if the fix is ready, and they know approximately when it will be released, are they just doing testing between now and then? How many people times how many times a day times how many days or months does it take to "test" it prior to release? Just asking...
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That is correct.
i just called tmobile they said the gps fix is coming out in september
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OK, I understand that things move slow in the corporate world, but someone please explain? I can understand there may be strategic reasons for releasing FroYo in dribs & drabs, but that will be to make something decent, better. But, does anyone have an opinion about the alleged GPS optimization, from the standpoint of it being ready or not? What I mean is: there's a lot of upset folks NOW because of the problem. "If" the "fix" is ready, why not release it now-ish? Does the target date mean that they're hoping against hope that someone in-house will figure it out by then? I'm sure a developer who knows inner workings of development teams can explain why? I guess the disconnect is: if the fix is ready, and they know approximately when it will be released, are they just doing testing between now and then? How many people times how many times a day times how many days or months does it take to "test" it prior to release? Just asking...
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Now-ish is a month. The bug fixes that will be rolled into the update are done and the final update packages are being compiled and tested (dont want OTA Bricks now do we?) and being sent to the carrier, this will probably take a week or two, and then the carrier will take the update, come up with a plan and implement the plan to distribute it OTA to users. This will also take at least a week to setup, then about 2 weeks to complete (OTA push).
As you said things take time in the corporate world. If the carrier is getting definite news of the update (evidence by the internal memo) they've probably received news of the update and its delivery date to them now. So a week or so till they actually receive it. With this guess, I'd say we're still 2-3 weeks at a minimum out till the update is 'out', which is beginning/mid Sept, and that is if there are no snags.
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Now-ish is a month. The bug fixes that will be rolled into the update are done and the final update packages are being compiled and tested (dont want OTA Bricks now do we?) and being sent to the carrier, this will probably take a week or two, and then the carrier will take the update, come up with a plan and implement the plan to distribute it OTA to users. This will also take at least a week to setup, then about 2 weeks to complete (OTA push).
As you said things take time in the corporate world. If the carrier is getting definite news of the update (evidence by the internal memo) they've probably received news of the update and its delivery date to them now. So a week or so till they actually receive it. With this guess, I'd say we're still 2-3 weeks at a minimum out till the update is 'out', which is beginning/mid Sept, and that is if there are no snags.
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Fair enough. I just needed to vent
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Now-ish is a month. The bug fixes that will be rolled into the update are done and the final update packages are being compiled and tested (dont want OTA Bricks now do we?) and being sent to the carrier, this will probably take a week or two, and then the carrier will take the update, come up with a plan and implement the plan to distribute it OTA to users. This will also take at least a week to setup, then about 2 weeks to complete (OTA push).
As you said things take time in the corporate world. If the carrier is getting definite news of the update (evidence by the internal memo) they've probably received news of the update and its delivery date to them now. So a week or so till they actually receive it. With this guess, I'd say we're still 2-3 weeks at a minimum out till the update is 'out', which is beginning/mid Sept, and that is if there are no snags.
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To add on to this, it is easier to add the "optimization" to the already planned update then to release two separate updates. You reduce the load on the network, reduce the chances of OTA bricks, reduced complaints of multiple updates (most users don't like to spend time worrying about that), less overhead of testing and planning each update. It's a lot different than the modding community where we can just say "I'm not responsible for what happens. At your own risk...blah blah blah."
We were promised by Optus that mid November we would get Froyo. Hit them up on @Optus on twitter or their support email. If more people start asking then we will actually get an answer.
At the rate it's going, we might well be the very last people in the world to get Froyo for our devices, even though we were some of the earliest adopters for the handset.
Keep us updated on your progress mate. I don;t have a twitter account but am in the same books as you.
I have rung them a few times but they are less then knowledgeable with a response.
Most of them you talk to don't have a clue what your talking about. ie. Firmware what?
Then try and direct you to call Samsung.
The last time I spoke to Samsung in Australia they couldn't provide any details at all.
A sad sad state of affairs to be sure.
This was posted on another forum I'm a member of (not phone related, just a Galaxy S thread). Sorry, I don't have links to back it up, so take it with a grain of salt.
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News: Android 2.2 for Samsung Galaxy S is now available
16/11/2010
Owners of Samsung's Galaxy S line of phones have been patiently waiting for the Android 2.2 update that many other Android owners have had for months, and now it looks like the wait may finally be over.
Samsung has announced that later tonight, at 8:00 PM, a download will become available to SamsungMobile.com that will be compatible with all Galaxy S devices, upgrading them to Android 2.2.
The news comes after Google and Samsung have continuously been dodgy about details regarding the update for Samsung's Android-powered smartphones. To date, the only handsets to receive the upgrade have been phones manufactured by other companies. Only about a quarter of all Android users have upgraded their device to the latest OS.
Many of those who haven't upgraded simply have a phone that is too outdated to receive it. But the Galaxy S platform is one of the most technically adept on the market right now and is more than capable of running Froyo.
Exactly what has been causing the hold-up is anyone's guess, but it's been a real problem for Samsung as it tries to market the devices.
Android 2.2 brings with it features like full browser support for the latest Flash video standard, the ability to use your phone as a mobile Wi-Fi hotspot, and enhanced voice controls for all aspects of the device. It should be a welcome addition to the Galaxy S family.
Written by Mark Raby from TG Daily
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This is from a US news website called TGDaily which was talking about the update but he missed the mark for sure.
It's not specifically related to OPTUS at all but a general comment stating Froyo was now available.
When you go to the Samsungmobile.com website you have to pick a region.
Australia takes you to that regions site and the Kies version here is way way old 1.5.1.10083
When you install this Kies, it will prompt you to update to the newer version.
BUT.......no Froyo.
Sad sad sad.
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This was posted on another forum I'm a member of (not phone related, just a Galaxy S thread). Sorry, I don't have links to back it up, so take it with a grain of salt.
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All of this was proven to be wrong, and was copied from a blog entry from the day before from TG Daily.
It was promptly removed from the Optus blog.
Optus made an announcement on Twitter that Samsung delivered to them around 01/11/2010 the new firmware. They had to create their optus customisation for it and intended to release it mid november. Now its the 19th and it still isn't out. I figure anyone who cares should go put a question to them @Optus or their support email until we get an answer.
I don't mind the wait as such, it's just that I want to know what they are doing. I hate "two more weeks". IF they could say we are having trouble getting the widget to work and we want that working before we release, then OK, but silence is just downright frustrating!
Why the heck do you need the Optus customisations for? It's not like you get extra wallpapers or optimisations just a bunch of useless widgets and shortcuts but whatever.
I hope official firmware from Optus is better than Nordic JPA version.
I have JPA Froyo on my optus GS via Reg hack. Wifi is ify and phone lags...
Put same app side by side on GS and iPhone, GS one is slow.
EG. Kids only want to use iPhone for Talking Tomcat because it does not miss every second word.
Sad!
I was in the same boat as you guys not long ago. Waiting for Optus to release their modified firmware, checking kies day to day. I got kinda fed up waiting, figured that the firmware is of course just going to include all the optus and samsung bloatware to slow down the phone. Not to mention relying on kies to work properly.
So in the end I just put Dark's Rom on. works fantastically really. learnt how to do it (easy guide in his thread) and actually did it in under half an hour. the actual doing it only takes like 10 minutes. I know it's not for everyone, but i'm so glad I decided to go down that route rather than rely on optus.
I don't understand why you guys have to know what's going on all the time.. Optus have stated that their release intention is "By the end of November", for quite some time now.
Knowing exactly what's going on won't get you the release any faster, it serves no purpose but to waste their time by answering the children in the back seat "Are we there yet, are we there yet, are we there yet".
We'll get there, when we get there.
Perhaps if December comes along, and it's still not release, THEN start nagging.
Or just abandon all hope and flash a rom! I mean you are on xda after all.
I was waiting with my old eclair rom but went and flashed docs rom. I only regret not doing it sooner.
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Agreed, Custom firmware is guaranteed better than Optus bloatware.
Insanity, Spike Speedy v3 and Darky's v4.1 are all perfect for quick, fully optimised and bloat-free roms.
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Agreed, Custom firmware is guaranteed better than Optus bloatware.
Insanity, Spike Speedy v3 and Darky's v4.1 are all perfect for quick, fully optimised and bloat-free roms.
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Comes with APN settings? Can choose which Optus apps you want etc?
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Care to quote the source that told you it was coming at the end of november?
Optus reply to my question
Content for those who can't be bothered:
"Update: we just got 2.2 from Samsung & testing it now so it's ready for you guys. Aiming to make download available early-to-mid November."
As of yesterday:
http://twitter.com/#!/Optus/status/5408549857398784
@optus is android 2.2 available for SGS?
@JoeeSTACK_ Not yet Joseph. We're expecting it to be available late November. Cheers - Julz
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There's no point spamming them on Twitter with the SAME QUESTION over and over again 50000 times, because I highly doubt busying up the customer support team will have any impact on whatever development team is modifying the firmware for release.
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Comes with APN settings? Can choose which Optus apps you want etc?
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Alot of custom firmware comes with the Optus APN, the one I'm using at the moment came with it.
Which is Insanity.. Very barebones but you can easily install whatever stock apk's you want via the included link he gave to them on his thread.
If you want the Optus apk's (Why on earth you would is beyond me..) I'm almost sure you could get them off optus zoo, just give Optus a call and find out if you have any troubles I guess.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=9264973&postcount=1
Edit: Also the Optus APN info can easily be added to the phone manually by going to Wireless and network > mobile networks > Access Point Names > press menu button, new APN
and the information for the APN (and all other Aussy ones) is here: http://ausdroid.net/apns/
I'm not neccessarily after a date, I want a reason. If they would just let us know that they really are still working on it, they aren't stuck with a resource problem or something like that then OK. I just hate it when they leave you with no news.
And my original statement still stands that we may well be the last carrier to actually get Froyo. I want the official one because I'm going into Optus if it doesn't fix the GPS for a warranty claim.
I want to know the date so I know when I can use the phone to it's full ability as advertised!
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Just use the reg kies hack guys! I did a month ago all my settings etc remained intact...what r u waiting for it's beyond easy to do
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Hey all. I am curious, are you guys all getting Froyo by doing a manual update??? I am trying the UPDATE FIRMWARE option (currently on DI18) and getting a message that I am on the latest version.
If you search the forums a bit you will find your answer.
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Milkman, I'm in the same boat - been searching forums, seems like folks who want OTA will have to wait.
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dude above is hinting for the manual update of the OTA released update. I am on 18 also waiting for OTA. If I didn't have hw id go for it. I just dont have time if i brick my phone in the process.
Thanks Big. I wish the other reply was more helpful, like maybe a link or something. I love how people tell you to search when you already did...
I may just do the update using clockwork, but was hoping to do OTA.
I will holdout a little longer to see if it magically appears on OTA.
The comment was referring to the fact that this has been extensively covered already in the forum. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=861213 has the instructions on how to apply the OTA update to a stock Epic.
The official OTA hasn't been released by Sprint/Samsung yet, DK28 is just the most likely final release.
The instructions above will show you how to update, I updated my wife's stock Epic last night with no issues.
thank you elite, as a new android user this isn't really apparent, even from the bulk of that thread - that this isn't an official OTA sprint release.
There are folks that are reporting they got froyo from an OTA update, which counters your information. I wonder how true or untrue that is.
If sprint hasnt released the official froyo then why are users getting it OTA. I call bs on your statement.
yep, I second that call mbkowns.
The OTA was being pushed to specific test phones, with the Hardware version D700.0.4
No one has determined how those got in the wild, almost everyone has version .5
The update was only pushed to the .4 phones, again this is all in the dev section.
if that is the case, then how do folks know that its the 'official' froyo release? I can see that the dl link is from an authoritative source, but its not telling.
i.e. if its not available to all subscribers then its not a release, right?
It is not the official release, just a possible release candidate that was sent to the .4 phones only.
Basically, a guy last night noticed that Di18 updated to DK28 and posted it here. after several hundred posts, we all realized that it was only for .4 phones. Those are supposedly developmental phones that got released with the mainstream .5 phones. How? We do not know.
But since it was an OTA for those phones, a ton of folks have assumed that it was the final official release.
Either way, I ODINed my old DG27, got gps fix in Maps, then ODINed the latest. It's not a bad process, just touchy, and since then I've enjoyed the best Froyo ROM yet.
I hope this helps.
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if its not available to all subscribers then its not a release, right?
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It is not the official release from sprint to the general public, it is a release candidate that they will let devs test for a few days. If devs report no issues they will start the official OTA release.
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thats great info, I fear however that due to the reportings of xda and engadget, etc.. that most folks will or have interpreted this event as an official sprint release of froyo. I am in no particular hurry for froyo on my epic but as this news has panned out it has caught my and others attention in an apparent dubious way - surely due the reportings and not in any way of the xda members.
if this is true, this is an important point that folks should be aware of *before* doing their own joyous upgrade - meaning that if sprint didn't bless this code they shouldn't expect it to be the final real thing.
I'm getting kinda frustrated by the lack of information I'm finding on this. I got a T-Mobile Tab for Christmas; I noticed there's no Software Update option in Settings. After some digging, I find in the Samsung User's manual (for the T-Mobile variant) that updates will be through Kies Mini, and that Kies is available on samsungapps.com. That site tells me that Samsung Apps are not available in the US. So after more digging, I find the Kies Mini app, install it on my netbook and fire it up. After switching from ADW back to the TouchWiz launcher to get Kies to recognize my device, it still says that my Tab is not supported for firmware updates.
If there's something I'm missing, please let me know. I understand that there's probably no official updates available yet anyway, but this is something I need to sort out before my 30 return period is up. I do not want to get stuck with a device that is going to be this much of a hassle to update, not to mention CES is in a couple weeks, and I know there's going to be many more, much more well-featured tablets being launched.
Thanks in advance guys and gals.
As that are no known issues with the tab at this time you can expect no updates for quite some time. The first and possibly only update will come if the go with the gingerbread update, if samsung provides it. This is a good mindset to be in if you don't want to get dissapointed later. I have the tmo tab and have gone with jmc eufopean firmware. If I am stuck here forever I will still be satisfied.
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As that are no known issues with the tab at this time you can expect no updates for quite some time. The first and possibly only update will come if the go with the gingerbread update, if samsung provides it. This is a good mindset to be in if you don't want to get dissapointed later. I have the tmo tab and have gone with jmc eufopean firmware. If I am stuck here forever I will still be satisfied.
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Well, I'm used to being disappointed when it comes to updates... I own a Droid X I would expect, however, there to be maintenance updates. With there being several unofficial firmwares floating around out there, you can't ignore the fact that Samsung is at least working on a bug fix update. I'm not really wondering WHEN I'll be getting updates, so much as HOW I'll be getting updates. Just frustrates me to no end that I haven't yet even found a way for my device to check to see if there's an update available. I don't care that there isn't one, just want to know how to get it when there is.
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Like your experience, I had to hunt for Kies and after installing it discovered it said I had an unsupported device. I checked with T-Mobile and was told not to use Kies at all, but that any updates will come over the air instead. No need to "check in" like I did before this device, but it will just appear as a system notice when it is time. He didn't say, and I didn't think to ask at the time, whether the updates will come from T-Mo, Google, or Samsung, but maybe that doesn't really matter, any that are due will just appear.
At least your tab can do ota
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I think it is insulting how Samsung released the Froyo update. This was not a mass update... this was a "lets shut the people complaining up update!"
Updating through Kies ALWAYS = people posting about problems/issues.
Why is it they could not do an OTA? I personally assume it's because it was not ready (hence the KA7 leak) and THAT will be an OTA for the masses to froyo (or an update to those who used Kies). This is my assumption.
But shame on Samsung/T-Mobile for this...
I would STRONGLY urge new people to NOT update to froyo via kies. I WOULD encourage rooting your phone and flashing the new custom roms that are based off the newest builds (even newer than KA6 which was the "official update").
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I think a thread dedicated for the new ROMs in the Q&A section would be awesome. Consider it an "ask a dumb question and expect a quick answer" thread. The less crap/clutter from the development section the better.
I imagine hardly any posts in the development section are of benefit to the developer.
I feel the Nero V4 sticky is a good example. Though I feel a sticky is a bit much.
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Anyone want to create a thread (or show me one) with all of the stock system apps attached? It would ne nice for those times when someone is asking for them....
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Does anyone have the skills to make the dropdown "mute" button also mute Media. I hate that currently it will mute everything but media... as it inevitably always leads to me making noise when I think I am muted.
I now use Widgetsoid to mute my phone completely.
Thanks!
I don't care how they released froyo, as long as they also release source code soon since it was an "official" release.
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I don't care how they released froyo, as long as they also release source code soon since it was an "official" release.
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They have 60 days. Should not take that long. I just question why it was not an ota. Consider me skeptical of Samsung.
Want source? Request it: @SamsungMobileUS should work.
I agree that this was to shut people up, however, as a person who hasn't flashed a rom yet, I commend them for it. I really didn't know what I was missing, and if KA6 is laggy, I can't wait to see what isn't laggy. I'd like to root my phone next, but I have no idea if I'm hardware locked, so I'm inspired to do more reading.
Mini Kies is not difficult to use. People just don't read.
ETA: I agree that there will eventually be an OTA for fixes to KA6 and for people who did not even know about this.
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I agree that this was to shut people up, however, as a person who hasn't flashed a rom yet, I commend them for it. I really didn't know what I was missing, and if KA6 is laggy, I can't wait to see what isn't laggy. I'd like to root my phone next, but I have no idea if I'm hardware locked, so I'm inspired to do more reading.
Mini Kies is not difficult to use. People just don't read.
ETA: I agree that there will eventually be an OTA for fixes to KA6 and for people who did not even know about this.
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Check and make sure that your phone is hardware locked now as I know that one of the ROMs took care of this issue.
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Isn't it that updating through kies is faster than ota? People wouldn't have to wait, unless you're a mac user. The JI6 took forever for them to send it. I waited like 2 weeks then i just flashed it through odin because i was really tired of waiting.
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Personally, I do believe that KA6 was suddenly delivered via Kies to shut us all up.
However, I don't really mind how updates are released. They don't have to be OTA. As long as Samsung releases timely updates, even if it is via Kies, then I will be a happy customer. (Oh and they still need to fix the hardware gps flaw)
If they release Gingerbread via kies in a timely manner, I will even somewhat forgive them, but I still will not buy another Samsung made product again for a very long time if ever.
im glad atleast samsung decided to give us froyo... i mean now we can get a little bit of work on our roms since we have a official now.
but i think that "official" rom was made in 2 days, because if you notice, its laggy as hell, and the only difference is theres wifi calling and a few other apps, thats IT.
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They have 60 days. Should not take that long. I just question why it was not an ota. Consider me skeptical of Samsung.
Want source? Request it: @SamsungMobileUS should work.
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I have the same opinion. I believe this was just a "shut them up" maneuver and the easier softer way for them to do it. Also from what I have read in the threads there seems to be a number of people with problems from the Keis fiasco.
xriderx66 said:
im glad atleast samsung decided to give us froyo... i mean now we can get a little bit of work on our roms since we have a official now.
but i think that "official" rom was made in 2 days, because if you notice, its laggy as hell, and the only difference is theres wifi calling and a few other apps, thats IT.
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Well, it actually has the Dalvik Jit Compiler which somewhat improves the Hummingbird cpu performance, there is also Flash player.
SamsungVibrant said:
Well, it actually has the Dalvik Jit Compiler which somewhat improves the Hummingbird cpu performance, there is also Flash player.
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well i guess all that lag takes away from the dalvik jit
also the flash, we've had for like months so you know,
S15274N Great Posting
I agree on your general Ideas. I really like the Idea of posting a fast Q & A
I like the Idea of Making a thread that lists all the stock apps (with apk attached etc.) for those who want that sort of thing.
And, I agree Samsung is just trying to avoid a Gun Fight with the customers. We customers Really are making it hard for Tmo and Samsung to continue their personal "*****-match"
We need to continue to Keep the Pressure on Samsung to keep them adhering to the open source licensing agreement thet agree to when installing Android.
Yeah, I was not trying to say I am upset they released froyo... but more picking on them for HOW they released it. They know 99% of Vibrant users are not even going to know it was released, and if they did, they wont bother with Kies.
Them releasing source will be huge. I hope they release it as fast as they did for the canadian fascinate once froyo was released for it. I'm still a skeptic of Samsung and expect a future release to be the next "official froyo"
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Yeah, I was not trying to say I am upset they released froyo... but more picking on them for HOW they released it. They know 99% of Vibrant users are not even going to know it was released, and if they did, they wont bother with Kies.
Them releasing source will be huge. I hope they release it as fast as they did for the canadian fascinate once froyo was released for it. I'm still a skeptic of Samsung and expect a future release to be the next "official froyo"
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they'll probably release it on like the 60th day waiting till its like 11:59PM then they upload. lol.
Based off your #1 statment I can only say that this is exactly why they released the "official update". The thing is after the first rumor was released and the **** hit the fan causing multiple threads and 1,000's of post, among other things, there was a small thread and article that was covered and only happen to receive less then 50 post that stated:
The same credible source that gave the first rumor added the reason why samsung and/or tmobile haven't given the update Is because samsung is charging the carriers for OS updates. This means samsung was expecting each carrier to pay per handset sold(later to be denied by samsung).
You can have your own take on samsung or tmo, but the remainder stays the same. That is if the sites which released the rumors spoke to the same source and one rumor is true, then possibly the second Could be also. This also shows 2 other things that will forever fault the android community and the Internet alike. The mob mentality and the feeling of some type of entitlement will cloud the truth or fuel rumors and/or other things that none of use are entitled to know or understand.
One good thing that has come out of this is the fact that now samsung is responsible to release the 2.2 source.via the GPL. Going forward id say Let's try and not let this happen with the real ota, if that ever really happens... lol.
Moral of the story:
Becareful what you wish for. You might just get it... kinda.