I'm coming from the Eris to the DX. I've read every thread from every forum and am lost. I know that the DX has some blocks put into place, but has been rooted.
After that point every thread says Koush's Bootstrap Recovery is a MUST HAVE. Why? How is it different from Rom Manager? Is one better than the other?
I rooted using z4root and installed ROM Manager. I then had RM make a backup of the current rom.(Which is stock.) And it created a file in my root folder like usual. So isn't that what Koush's recovery is supposed to do?
I haven't found anything that directly answers this. So if this is another useless thread just say the word and I'll kill it. Thanks ahead of time.
I have found that now and then you will loose bootstrap (be it from RM, or Koushes, they install virtually the same bootstrap). When this happens, you simply open Koushes, click bootstrap, and it is fixed.
There are actually three things at work here.
1) Clockworkmod Recovery (CWM)
2) Droid X/2 Bootstrapper
3) Rom Manager
Now since the bootloader, kernel and recovery are locked down on the X/2, you can't replace the stock recovery with CWM. Rom Manager includes a copy of CWM, but is unable to install it. This is where Bootstrapper comes in.
Bootstrapper exploits a hole in the boot process by replacing a piece of code that gets called early on with one that lets you boot into Clockwork. When you click on Bootstrap Recovery it installs the bootstrap process, which lets CWM run on the Droid X/2. It also creates a file on the phone that CWM looks for. If it finds the file it takes you into CWM. If it doesn't find the file it continues along the normal boot process.
Rom Manager is just a convenient place to install roms from as it can automate the CWM part of the process.
milan616 said:
There are actually three things at work here.
1) Clockworkmod Recovery (CWM)
2) Droid X/2 Bootstrapper
3) Rom Manager
Now since the bootloader, kernel and recovery are locked down on the X/2, you can't replace the stock recovery with CWM. Rom Manager includes a copy of CWM, but is unable to install it. This is where Bootstrapper comes in.
Bootstrapper exploits a hole in the boot process by replacing a piece of code that gets called early on with one that lets you boot into Clockwork. When you click on Bootstrap Recovery it installs the bootstrap process, which lets CWM run on the Droid X/2. It also creates a file on the phone that CWM looks for. If it finds the file it takes you into CWM. If it doesn't find the file it continues along the normal boot process.
Rom Manager is just a convenient place to install roms from as it can automate the CWM part of the process.
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So essentially, each one plays a role. But not one of them can do it all by itself. Thanks for the reply. This has been the most straight forward answer I've seen.
I have them both installed but pretty much use Koush's almost 100% of the time
to make nandroids and flash things.
The DX/D2 bootstrapper is, essentially, all you need. Rom Manager (also by Kousch) is a front end (friendly interface) for the DX/D2 bootstrapper. I usually have the bootstrapper installed since I can pretty much do anything I need to without Rom Manager.
Some options aren't available in Rom Manager (I think) since they aren't really necessary for Rom installation, download and backup.
Get familiar with both and then decide what you want to use.
hey a fellow former eris user upgrading to the X any questions ask me and id be glad to be your tourguide lol
I use ROM Manager for backing up my current ROM because it allows you to edit the name used before the backup.
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That's all I use rom manager for. I just go in after I do a backup with bootstrap and rename with rom manager.
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RootinAround said:
I'm coming from the Eris to the DX. I've read every thread from every forum and am lost. I know that the DX has some blocks put into place, but has been rooted.
After that point every thread says Koush's Bootstrap Recovery is a MUST HAVE. Why? How is it different from Rom Manager? Is one better than the other?
I rooted using z4root and installed ROM Manager. I then had RM make a backup of the current rom.(Which is stock.) And it created a file in my root folder like usual. So isn't that what Koush's recovery is supposed to do?
I haven't found anything that directly answers this. So if this is another useless thread just say the word and I'll kill it. Thanks ahead of time.
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Thank you for asking the question I've wanted an answer to since i got my DX. I too also am coming from an Eris. gonna miss the little phone that could.
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hey a fellow former eris user upgrading to the X any questions ask me and id be glad to be your tourguide lol
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You're on. It seems the DX is a different world from the mighty underdog Eris. And I hope the Eris defects can show the DX forums how great XDA can be. Thanks for the input everyone. Flashed my first, "rom," tonight with your help.
Guess there are more Eris upgraders out ther than I realized. It sounds like the whole bootstrap/rom manager issue was cleared up for you. I had the same questions when I first upgraded. I haven't even used rom manager since clockwork looks so similar to the good ol' amon ra. Happy flashing.
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You can name backups prior to making a backup in clockwork with ROM manager as opposed to after with bootstrap. Other than that ROM manager is not needed.
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Ive been trying for about a week to get CM6 on my incredible. And i see some of the people on this forum have it. Ive contacted developers and users alike but for some reason I'm having trouble. After Root, I downloaded and installed Rom Manager but I'm unsure what to do next. I tried to flash Clockworkmod with the app, but when I boot up into recovery, I dont see The Clockwork menu, or the Nandroid backup option. I dont want to Flash the rom without being able to make a backup or install custom Update.zip files. Does anyone have any suggestions???PLEASE PM me for any suggestions!!!!!!!!!!!
If you aren't seeing the clockwork recovery, then you didn't run the reflash tool after you rooted. Run the reflash tool and it will load the custom recovery correctly.
what reflash tool?
unrEVOked 3, should be a link to it in this forum
I tried to run that but it keeps getting stuck. I might have to manually move files.
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Chances are if the unrEVOked tool isn't working, you may not have the right drivers installed. Check their wiki to make sure you do. Also, to get the nightly CM6 builds (when they resume, which will likely be shortly) you do have to buy the ROM manager premium license from the Market (which I recommend you do anyways as it goes to Koush who is the one responsible for developing CM6 for the DInc).
Here's the link to the wiki concerning the driver:
http://www.unrevoked.com/rootwiki/doku.php?id=public:windows_hboot_driver_install
Wow is this all I really nerd to do ? I already bought Rom manager, but clockwork isn't working. I guys updating the drivers will let me get clock work ? Do u run a custom Rom? Thanks!!!
Hello,
I have Froyo 2.2 installed with S-off. I used unrevoked and unrevoked forever to get to this point. Here's my question:
I just downloaded Rom manager for the first time, and it is giving me a message that I need to install Clockwork Recovery before using the program. But of course, I already have CWR installed from using unrevoked. I'm confused about the various responses in this forum as well as others. Some say you can reinstall CWR on top of the existing one just fine; others say if you install on top of an S-off version, there will be problems.
Which is true and how can I start using ROM manager?
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I just downloaded Rom manager for the first time, and it is giving me a message that I need to install Clockwork Recovery before using the program. But of course, I already have CWR installed from using unrevoked. I'm confused about the various responses in this forum as well as others. Some say you can reinstall CWR on top of the existing one just fine; others say if you install on top of an S-off version, there will be problems.
Which is true and how can I start using ROM manager?
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You either need to manually edit the ROM Manager .settings file to get it to realize that you already have CWM recovery, or you have to let it download it for you. Doing so doesn't cause any problems (anyone who reported that it does is wrong).
Stockmoose16 said:
Hello,
I have Froyo 2.2 installed with S-off. I used unrevoked and unrevoked forever to get to this point. Here's my question:
I just downloaded Rom manager for the first time, and it is giving me a message that I need to install Clockwork Recovery before using the program. But of course, I already have CWR installed from using unrevoked. I'm confused about the various responses in this forum as well as others. Some say you can reinstall CWR on top of the existing one just fine; others say if you install on top of an S-off version, there will be problems.
Which is true and how can I start using ROM manager?
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Well I used the unrEVOked RC I got in there irc today on my friends Incredible, about 2 hours ago actually. I found out the it now does the unrEVOked root and unrEVOked forever (S-off) all in one. After I did that I made him buy ROM Manager. When you open it at the very top there is a button that says something along the line of Flash ClockworkMod Recovery. I clicked on that button, it asked if I was on the Incredible CDMA. I clicked yes and it automatically downloaded it for me. I was able to use ROM Manager to put CM6 on his Incredible with no problems.
Longtime HTC user here (currently using a Nexus One). Figuring it would be very little issue to root my buddy's Moto Droid X, I set off on a trial of these "one click root" apps available.
While it seems I was able to get root access, I couldn't get a ROM to install due to signature errors. The reason I say I was seemingly able to get root was because I was able to access ROM Manager without warnings that I didn't have root.
However, when trying to use something as simplex as the WIPE function, it only rebooted the phone. Attempting to install a ROM was fruitless as well.
I am running Windows 7 64 bit with all the Moto drivers. I have attempted to use all of the different USB modes. I can ADB into the phone, but nothing else seems to work correctly.
I was about to switch carriers and buy a Moto phone. This just sold my N1 back to me. I loathe this proprietary garbage.
Well there's no need to connect the phone to the pc. Use z4 root then you need Droid x bootstrap from the market to gain access to clockwork. Rom manager wont work.
You can also download the Bootstrap Recovery for free from Koush's website.
http://www.koushikdutta.com/2010/08/droid-x-recovery.html
Once you get the Bootstrap installed you have to click the button to reboot into recovery. This one doesn't replace the stock recovery, so you have to specifically reboot to Bootstrap Recovery. Once there, MAKE A BACKUP. Then select Mounts and Storage, Mount System, back out and select Install zip from SD, disable signature verification in that menu, then Choose zip from SD and you're done. Most ROMs require a data wipe to boot properly.
Thanks guys. I will try this tonight when my buddy comes by again. Really appreciate the help
About to dig in on this now. I know it will be debatable, but what is the most refined ROM out for the X? He doesn't care about the flashy stuff, just wants to get his phone more reliable than it is stock.
Issues he has mentioned with the stock ROM:
*Slowing down of internet (clearing cache seems to help)
*Lock ups while trying to hangup/calls coming in.
*Lagging while texting to the point of a full lockup.
So a ROM that has focused on these issues would be grrrreat. Thanks again folks!!
What's his take on blur? If he doesnt mind the blur then i would suggest apex 1.4... you can add the blur you want, etc and to me it has the best battery life of the roms I've flashed on my phone...
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I have a question. I downloaded and used Droid 2 Bootstrap Recovery after rooting and before ROMing my Droid 2. Now I need to download and use ROM Manager to get an update to to the ROM I am using (Miui). When I go into ROM Manager, it wants me to flash CWM before doing anything. Since I already have CWM (thanks to D2BR) how would this affect it? I know it would update it, but would my back ups be saved and would it mess with D2BR? Thanks in advance.
*Droid 2 info in sig*
edit: Just realized that the back ups get saved to the SD card. So they'll be fine.
All those views and no answer yet? Come on, someone has to know something. I really want to download this update before the next release. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
I'm not sure if it would mess with anything. I would use Bootstrap to flash all my ROMs. Even the ones I download in ROM Manager. They will be in the "clockwork" folder then go to "download"
JDunc said:
I'm not sure if it would mess with anything. I would use Bootstrap to flash all my ROMs. Even the ones I download in ROM Manager. They will be in the "clockwork" folder then go to "download"
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The thread that's below mine (at the moment) had issues when flashing CWM from ROM Manager after using Bootstrap. That's why I am a little nervous about doing it. *Turns out he used RM first then bootstrapped. That could be the problem.*
Yeah, I would of used Bootstrap to flash it, I just need ROM Manager to actually get it. Would I need to clear the cache first? Thanks for the help.
edit: Guess I'll give it a shot, see what happens. Will update.
Took the plunge. No problems. Was able to successfully update Miui. Thanks for the help.
Up until today I never did anything to my droid x as far as rooting and roms. I kept everything completely factory and android was at its latest version which is gingerbread 2.3.3 and system version 4.5.605.MB810.Verizon.en.US.
My goal today was to finally experiment this and install Liberty Rom. I completely failed because of all the version complications and plenty of other errors. Before I describe my final problem I should backtrack and let you know exactly what I did today so you can possibly get me out of this mess.
1. The very first thing I did was follow all of the steps at a forum on droid-life "How To: Get Rooted Gingerbread On DROID X" sorry it won't let me post the link.
After all of this I ended up with gingerbread again, but I guess a rooted version. No idea why this was the tutorial I followed when trying to install liberty. Throughout the tutorial I ended up buying "Droid X BootStrapper" because the tutorial had me use it.
Right after this tutorial I bought an app called Rom Toolbox for $5.00 downloaded Liberty through it and was trying to install through it. Every time it rebooted I would get a black screen. Never worked so many issues probably because I flashed the wrong sbf or something.
Here are the programs that I ended up buying today:
z4root (free), DroidXBootStrapper ($2.00), Rom Toolbox ($5.00).
That is everything I have done and all of the apps I own. Can someone please start fresh and give me short instructions to start from scratch on how to get the latest and greatest version of Liberty on my droidx from where I'm stuck at now. I want to completely start over and I am willing to do anything. I hope the apps I bought help and I also want to assume 2 of them probably do the same thing and I didn't need them.
Buying those tools will at least help support 2 members of the community (Koush & JRummy).
I'm pretty sure Z4Root does not work on the GB versions of DX firmware. That's probably why nothing is working. You aren't actually getting root.
you are on the .605 version of GB (when you see references to .602, .605, etc ...)
To get root, start here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1258599
You may also want to download the Droid2 recovery rather than the DX. The D2 version is a little newer and I think avoids a slight bug on later kernels when Debug is on. The D2 version works just fine on the DX. It can be downloaded free from here:
http://www.koushikdutta.com/2010/08/droid-x-recovery.html
Once you are rooted and have recover properly working, you should be able to use the Rom Toolbox to download and install Liberty. Just make sure you read carefully about the 'version' requirements on any ROM.
Oh ok so I was rooting it wrong.
I easily rooted the phone using Pete's Motorola Root Tools. I realized that Rom Toolbox Pro accesses clockwork recovery when the phone is rebooted instead of the phone just restarting fully. But, I still want to start fresh and do everything from the start again. Please let me know if you have any suggestions in the way or order I am doing things. My phone is currently up rooted at 4.5.596 and rooted by Pete's Motorola Root Tools but I want to start over from the beginning so here is what I am going to do:
Note: Before I do anything I am going to format my SD card for a fresh start.
1. Use RSD_Lite 4.9 to Flash my phone back to 2.3.340 using a file called VRZ_MB810_2.3.34_1FF_01.sbf. I always do this part with no problem.
2. Do a hold power+home then search and do a system wipe/restore. Then Activate service, sign into gmail etc.
3. Now that the OS is loaded (the old version with the grey bars 2.3.340) I am going to root my phone using Petes Root Tools. (I hope I can root it with this tool when the firmware is this version.)
4. Put the 3 zip files I have on my SD card to upgrade to GB 588. Also put my GB 596 file on here.
5. I will download 1 app. D2BootStrapper. Bootstrap recovery, reboot into recovery. Install all 3 zip files from SD card. Now I boot up in GB 588.
6. Now I go right back into D2BootStrapper. Bootstrap recovery, reboot into recovery. Install GB 596. Now I have GB 596 rooted and loaded.
7. After this, shouldn't I be able to download Rom Manager Premium and Rom Toolbox Pro and test as many roms as I want? always reverting back to my original backup.
I noticed after installing liberty I was getting all kind of force close popups. And the phone wouldn't connect to service. But then I just held power + home then hit the up/down arrows and did a wipe/restore and it loaded liberty and everything works. Is this normally what has to be done when installing roms?
If there is anything wrong with my process please let me know. Whew I can't believe all that I learned in 1 day.
You've got a lot of steps there that really aren't necessary. When you install a ROM like Liberty, it replaces EVERYTHING in /system. Thus, about all that is left from a .596, .588, .602, etc install is the kernel. The Kernel doesn't change very often in Motorola builds. The last change was on .602. Thus, for your purposes there is no difference between .602 and .605 (FYI, .605 was just a keyboard fix over .602).
So, if you search around, you should find an SBF or AIO flash file to get you to .602.
Or you can simply take the OTA update from VZW after SBF'ing to .340
Once you've flashed your Rom, be sure to clear data/factory reset. You should then start with a clean system.
Alright, if you don't mind can you please let me know what steps I can avoid.
I didn't think it was possible to have a rooted .605 but I guess I was wrong.
So my goal should be to get to .605, then root it. Then install roms from there?
On your first post you said you were on .605. I'm assuming that is still the case.
If so, then root it with pete's tool (I think you've already done that).
Install D2bootstrap, then ROM Toolbox and install your rom from there.
I have to be honest, in that I've not used Liberty in a while, nor have I used Rom Toolbox. It shouldn't be a problem, just make sure that the version of Liberty you are using is for the GB kernel. Some of the older versions of Liberty (Which I did use, and like) were for the Froyo kernel (in that case, stay on .340 and do your upgrades).
Make sure you wipe data in recovery after installing the ROM. Lots of 'Boot Loops' are due to not wiping data after flashing a new rom.
Yeah
Yeah I read up on all of that. I actually might not end up going with Liberty. Going to try others like ICX. But before I do any of this I need to get to .605.
No I am not at .605 I believe that's where my phone was before I started all of this.
Right now I am flashing back to 2.3.34
Once I am back up and running there. Can you please recommend the easiest way to get to .605 and that will be my final question.
.605 should update automatic. If not you can disable the updater using titanium backup by freezing system updater.
1. Use petes tools install cwm as well
A. Droid x bootstrap get this
B. Titanium backup. Backup your apps
2. Make a backup using cwm and backup apps with tb
3. Put the rom zip files on the sd card.
4. Reboot to recovery. Reformat system data etc
DO NOT REFORMAT THE SD CARD.
5. Wipe cache davik etc.
6 flash rom. And reboot.
7 run tb for your apps
Should be a smooth and clean install. The roms are already rooted so no need to worry about that. Hope this helps
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We aren't supposed to link to other forums, so expect this link to get removed.
http://rootzwiki.com/showthread.php?399-UPDATED-GUIDE-LINKS-DX-SBF-s
I would point you to a link here, but couldn't find a quick/easy link to what I wanted.
In this list is an SBF file for .602. Since you seem comfortable with doing SBF's, I would just SBF straight to .602 and root it from there.
Don't know much about ICX, but would encourage you to look at the CM7DXGB thread over at Rootzwiki as well.
ohh, well I just went to Settings > About Phone and its auto updating to .605
Am I not going to be able to root it after this update or should it be fine.
HunterT said:
ohh, well I just went to Settings > About Phone and its auto updating to .605
Am I not going to be able to root it after this update or should it be fine.
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Pete's Root tool should root .605 just fine.
One last thing
As far as Clockwork recovery goes.
Should I always be in the latest version 5.0.2.0 (the blue version)
Or the old version 2.something (the green version)
Why is there 2 version and why would I ever want to flash back to the old version 2.something?
Zaphod-Beeblebrox said:
Pete's Root tool should root .605 just fine.
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Pete's will work on .605 I did two the other day
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HunterT said:
As far as Clockwork recovery goes.
Should I always be in the latest version 5.0.2.0 (the blue version)
Or the old version 2.something (the green version)
Why is there 2 version and why would I ever want to flash back to the old version 2.something?
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Couple things most of the updates are to add support fix minor bugs etc.
I run the one from petes all the time I forget which version. I haven't had problems.
On my mt4g slide I had to flash a modified verson of clockwork due to my phone being newer and not as much support
With that said its not a difficult process to get a new recovery image. You would need terminal emulator and root explorer. Couple of great guides on here on how to do so. Also other methods as well.
All in all the ones that pete's give you should suffice. Unless your one of the extreame types of people who want the newest or like messing around.
Just remember backups can make the process and hassle of soft bricking your phone much easier to fix and takes a few mins to do.
Look around the forums lots of great information from the devs, experts, etc
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HunterT said:
As far as Clockwork recovery goes.
Should I always be in the latest version 5.0.2.0 (the blue version)
Or the old version 2.something (the green version)
Why is there 2 version and why would I ever want to flash back to the old version 2.something?
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The newer version changes the way backups are stored. The new format is smaller and quicker.
Among other issues/bug fixes as mentioned before, but the backup issue is important as the new version will not restore the old style backups.