Is the backside of the Epic level? - Epic 4G General

Huh-huh-huh...he thaid "backthide." OK, bad outdated cultural reference aside, I finally got and love my new leveling app, but I just realized that no matter how flat the calibrating surface is that I find, it's all for naught if the camera lens cover bump and the "grip" bump don't cancel each other out. So, more experienced ones: do they?

Excellent question, a good enough one for me to get out the calipers... especially since I used to think they were equal, but have always been second-guessing.
I get 15.8mm on the camera side (top) and 16.4mm on the bottom side.
This is all very approximate, and my exact hardware of course varies a bit from specification... but that's a bigger difference than I expected, enough to make me think they are in fact not equal. Hopefully someone else will measure too.
And for your application, I read that the average piece of printer/copy paper is .1mm thick. So 6 well-stacked sheets under the camera should be pretty close to level. I'm not sure if the current unevenness is even significant when compared to the accuracy of the accelerometers, though. See if placing .6mm under the camera side even affects the readout...
But there's even more to consider, for practical reasons. Your 'level' surface may not be level. Furthermore, you may want your accelerometer to read 'flat' when the phone is on its back: it may make the most sense for many situations.

Wow. What an answer! Thanks. Amazing community here.
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Wow. What an answer! Thanks. Amazing community here.
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Anyone else not been able to use this phone because of its ergonomics

I had a GS II but had to get rid of it because it caused me so much hand pain. I should declare that I do have existing problems with my hands but the Arc doesn't really cause me any problems. I think it was a combination of its width and the squareness of the design that did for me. I have tried out the Sensation and though that is only a bit narrower it seemed much easier on my hands, I reckon because it's a more rounded design.
I thought it was a good device but I am not going to keep using a phone that caused me that much constant pain.
First one i have come across though as it is larger i did recommend a young lady to hold it before buying .http://media.xda-developers.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif
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I thought it was a good device but I am not going to keep using a phone that caused me that much constant pain.
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It is a good device, just not for you. If you knew you had problems with your hand you should have spent more time with the phone before you bought it. It's like buying a car you never sat in and complaining about the driving position.
how exactly did it cause pain??? how can holding a phone hurt? there are things that are just beyond my comprehension.
Nope, i have a mans hand.
For me the phone is too slim and slippery, but silicone cover did the trick and it steadily fits my hand no problem.
I don't have too big hands but no problems with using it.
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It is a good device, just not for you. If you knew you had problems with your hand you should have spent more time with the phone before you bought it. It's like buying a car you never sat in and complaining about the driving position.
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I did try before buying, obviously not for long enough it seems. This is only the second phone ever that I have had this much problem with the first was the N73.
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Pretty big hand, not noticed much difference from the SGS.
Total utter 100% lefty, FWIW.
No issues here, but got large hands...
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how exactly did it cause pain??? how can holding a phone hurt? there are things that are just beyond my comprehension.
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Maybe he has some injury or nerve damage so due to the width of the phone his hands hurt because of the shape they make holding the device?
I have no problems with the phone.
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No issues here, but got large hands...
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So have I. Which makes me think it's more the design than the size. The Arc isn't that much smaller but is narrower and a much better thought out ergonomic design IMO.
By the way I should have said I have a form of nerve issue with both hands.
Well it's quite big, so it's hard to use one handed. I have really girlish hands though.
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MaBlo said:
Well it's quite big, so it's hard to use one handed. I have really girlish hands though.
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I have small hands. I had my plastic surgeon make an incision in my thenar space so I can open up the palm wide enough and hold the phone with one hand. I am now talking to that surgeon about transplanting one of my ears higher on my head.
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Nope, i have a mans hand.
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LOL, I was wondering when someone would say something along those lines! But, I think the OP has a preexisting condition. I have no issues with the phone.
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LOL, I was wondering when someone would say something along those lines! But, I think the OP has a preexisting condition. I have no issues with the phone.
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lol yh it had to be done.
kreoXDA said:
I have small hands. I had my plastic surgeon make an incision in my thenar space so I can open up the palm wide enough and hold the phone with one hand. I am now talking to that surgeon about transplanting one of my ears higher on my head.
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Hehe I'm not saying that there's something wrong with the phone, but I can't reach the top left side of the screen one handed and barely reach the middle left side. That being said I wouldn't change that beautiful big screen for anything, so I can live with.
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It's a fraction too wide for me, but I can live with it just. I've suffered from a bit of RSI in the past so I can imagine how it might hurt if you have similar issues (carpal tunnel etc).
The SE Arc next to this feels much nicer in the hand as it's about 5-8mm narrower - yet still sports a 4.2" display. Maybe that would suit better.
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what if you bought it online like what i'm planning to do?
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how exactly did it cause pain??? how can holding a phone hurt? there are things that are just beyond my comprehension.
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i remember using my buddy's iphone 2g back in the day and that was an uncomfortable phone. it didn't hurt but it did feel real annoying after a bit because the phone wasn't shaped perfectly. same idea
lol at this thread. I have no issues with holding my phone and neither does my fiance. But I can gripe a basketball without struggling.
I thought of that burgerking commercial when I read this thread title.
this one.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xu_bE7g2wqM
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I had a GS II but had to get rid of it because it caused me so much hand pain. I should declare that I do have existing problems with my hands but the Arc doesn't really cause me any problems. I think it was a combination of its width and the squareness of the design that did for me. I have tried out the Sensation and though that is only a bit narrower it seemed much easier on my hands, I reckon because it's a more rounded design.
I thought it was a good device but I am not going to keep using a phone that caused me that much constant pain.
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give me the phone

About that replaceable plastic (Sammy) vs unibody (HTC) thing...

First of all I have to say, the Samsung Galaxy S3 looks veeeery good to me.
You want to know why?
1. Unique design, more curvy which definately will give you a better feeling when holding the phone in your hand. Just look at your palm, is it completely flat? I don't think so. Therefore it's easier to hold a curvy S3 in your hand compared to an angular shaped S2. I really think the S3 looks better and gives you more comfort just by seeing the way it's designed.
2. Plastic, it's very sturdy and therefore less damage can happen when it's dropped e.g. to the floor. Drop an iPhone/HTC and get ready to call the service line.
3. Weight, plastic is the way to go if you want a thin and light phone. Some people here sound as if they would like a flipping phone made out of solid osmium (heaviest of all metals)
4. Replaceable components, seriously guys, UNIBODY MY ASS, I want to be able to replace the battery without having to send it to Samsung and wait for the service to fix it. On top of that Unibody doesn't allow you to buy a bigger battery for your phone (though I think the stock 2100 mAh already is good!)
And no SD Card slot like the HTC One X? LOL.
5. Sorry for my english
Those being just some arguments which definately make reasonable why Sammy doesn't choose as same path as HTC/Apple.
Fair points, but I'm still disappointed they went the high gloss route. IMO, if it was matt plastic it would be far more appealing.
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1. Unique design, more curvy which definately will give you a better feeling when holding the phone in your hand. Just look at your palm, is it completely flat? I don't think so. Therefore it's easier to hold a curvy S3 in your hand compared to an angular shaped S2. I really think the S3 looks better and gives you more comfort just by seeing the way it's designed.
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I'm not sure the design is totally unique, kind remind me of the Plam Pre.
Can you see the similarity?
The back of the phone comes completely off. I'm sure there will be hundreds of back plates to choose from.
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Bigmille said:
I'm not sure the design is totally unique, kind remind me of the Plam Pre.
Can you see the similarity?
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Talking about similarities, just a couple of days ago I found this article very amusing..
Plastic is a terrible conductor of heat.
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Nice talk.you are a genius.like your points
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Fair points, but I'm still disappointed they went the high gloss route. IMO, if it was matt plastic it would be far more appealing.
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Agreed. I personally like the back cover of the Galaxy Nexus. I'm not a fan of high gloss. Some kind of texture would would have been nice.
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Fair points, but I'm still disappointed they went the high gloss route. IMO, if it was matt plastic it would be far more appealing.
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It's only a bit of plastic on the back that I'm sure you'll be able to buy third party ones.
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The back of the phone comes completely off. I'm sure there will be hundreds of back plates to choose from.
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You can surely find lots of interesting faceplates and back covers for the SIII, even my Galaxy Ace has tons of awesome looking designs on a design store in an Indian Website(that's in english)
I find it amusing that people somehow think the HOX is not made of plastic. Polycarbonates are a group of plastics.
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I find it amusing that people somehow think the HOX is not made of plastic. Polycarbonates are a group of plastics.
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me too.
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I find it amusing that people somehow think the HOX is not made of plastic. Polycarbonates are a group of plastics.
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It's the same reason why people that own german cars think they have a better quality material eventhough it's the same plastic used in other brands just in different texture
i find it amusing that people think samsung doesnt use metal. the screen is bonded to a cast frame presumably aluminum but maybe magnesium on all the phones i have repaired. remove the battery and scrape the black area underneath with a sharp metal object if you dont believe me. the plastic they use is not only tough and fracture resistant but it's pretty much superficial.
now im sure htc has improved their designs but the evo was toy like in construction. thin cheap plastics and the pcb was a thin single layer design and the copper traces could easily seperate from the board. also the one i repaired had cold solder joints and the spring contacts they used in place or cables were falling off the board.
samsung does things that are frustrating from a development point of view but i never agreed with the quality argument.
well i'm looking forward to the s3 for the audio mostly. but i want to see what challenges the hardware offers aosp development. though i like touch wiz i dont expect samsung to support the device for more than 1 or 2 major updates. i have learned my lesson and will only buy the us version if it is the same hardware profile as the international version. and ill only buy an s3 if the bt and other hardware are aosp friendly.
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I'm not sure the design is totally unique, kind remind me of the Plam Pre.
Can you see the similarity?
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Or this. Yours for only $89.
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I find it amusing that people somehow think the HOX is not made of plastic. Polycarbonates are a group of plastics.
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I agree with you but HOX looks more sleek. Shiny plastics give the GS3 a feel of cheaper phone. Can't wait to hold it to see how it feels in real life.
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It's the same reason why people that own german cars think they have a better quality material eventhough it's the same plastic used in other brands just in different texture
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German cars do have a better quality , I know from experience. But I get your point its how you use the material.
I think the plastic on the back of my galaxy nexus feels great .
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I agree with you but HOX looks more sleek. Shiny plastics give the GS3 a feel of cheaper phone. Can't wait to hold it to see how it feels in real life.
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I'm sure they will make a back that's matt just like the hox
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Yep replacement battery all the way!

I can't be the only one!

Has anyone noticed or felt that looking at other people's Notes makes your own note feel smaller? like, even though it's the same size, other people's notes look bigger to me.
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If you are feeling small or not confident ...
Then shove a big fat mugen extended battery in the back with extended battery cover
... problem solved
No one will ever written your phone's girth
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huh? not me, I don't have this feeling. Well perhaps they use a case which make their Note look bigger than yours if you are not using a protective casing?
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Then shove a big fat mugen extended battery in the back with extended battery cover
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lol...with such a big battery, the Note will definitely look like a brick which is the perfect term. People were looking in disgust when I used extended batteries in my past phones which made them looked bigger - since then, I had never bought any extended batteries - if I need juice, I take my 2nd stock battery with me.
Lol i get the exact same thing. I was watching a video of how to do some stuff on a note on youtube and thought the guys note looked bigger than mine.
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Stanley Richards said:
Has anyone noticed or felt that looking at other people's Notes makes your own note feel smaller? like, even though it's the same size, other people's notes look bigger to me.
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Yes i do feel , they feel bigger
Funny that my colleague hasgot one in white following my great advice lol and everytime i see it ive said your phones bigger than mine, i went even as far as to compare them side to side, but yeah it seems odd, then again i am odd, actually wheres my meds
Stanley Richards said:
Has anyone noticed or felt that looking at other people's Notes makes your own note feel smaller? like, even though it's the same size, other people's notes look bigger to me.
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ACTUALLY....
that's a well known medical condition commonly called Notus Envie.
Oh I just take out my work phone (iphone) for a minute and play with. Then my Note grows again..... ;-) then the iphone feels like a toy
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Mine looks bigger!
Maybe i'm over confident / un-shy or something like that
Seriously, you guys should go to a psycologist
Lol at all these. Actually I've had the same feeling too, and done the double check. On a related note, when I got my Note I ended up going to Amsterdam two days later, and saw 3 Notes on my first day! Helped convince my (iPhone toting) friends it was the best phone in the world!
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I work with wood and before I actually bought my note I made a mock up of it lol I know, how sad, same size, and even stuck a picture on it to replicate the screen size and drew a hardware button on the front. Still think my fake one is better lol only joking hehe.
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ACTUALLY....
that's a well known medical condition commonly called Notus Envie.
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You are very close! It is actually a well documented psyco-medical condition called "notusus envititis". Medical scientists are currently working furiously for a lasting solution. I doubt if they will succeed before a bigger screened device appears on the scene.
Q - Whats better than a Gnote?
A- Two Gnotes
I'm feeling it too, especially when I see girls with Note in the street and transport. It seems a lot bigger than mine...
The same thing happens when I look at 27" monitors at a store compared to mine at home haha
You got to have a big hand. Thats why when you see others hold their note with their small hands its look bigger...
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And here I was thinking that I was going insane. Seems I'm not the only one, I am normal, Yeah Baby!
I've got XL hands, so when I see girls/guys-with-girly-hands use it... I'm like man that's humongous. Mine never looks large, but it feels large with the TPU case on which I only have for the kickstand.
If Samsung shaved the bezels, made it thinner and added a kickstand... I'd be right at home. And if they trimmed it down a 0.1 inch, then I could do acrobatics on one hand ; )
So do you feel the same when showering at the gym?
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same feeling. but then when I see my nepnew's S3, I feel happy n my G.Note becomes bigger.
Lol no you're not alone. I had the same feeling on the tube home last night. I own the Note in white and a commuter opposite me had the Note in black. His looked bigger when I looked at my own but then realised duh same device haha

Misaligned Cameras

So I've had 5 separate GS4's in my hand since release and all of the appeared to have a slightly misaligned camera on them. My current phone seems to be raised more on one side than the other.
Has anyone else noticed this on their phone?
I have been overall very disappointed with the quality control on these phones. Seems as if Samsung put them together the cheapest way possible in order to meet demand. I still love the phone and would keep it over an HTC One. I just wish they would've payed a little more attention to detail.
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So I've had 5 separate GS4's in my hand since release and all of the appeared to have a slightly mus-aligned camera on them. My current phone seems to be raised more on one side than the other.
Has anyone else noticed this on their phone?
I have been overall very disappointed with the quality control on these phones. Seems as if Samsung put them together the cheapest way possible in order to meet demand. I still love the phone and would keep it over an HTC One. I just wish they would've payed a little more attention to detail.
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My camera looks flat. It is raised from the back of the phone but looks to be raised equally on left and right.
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My camera looks flat. It is raised from the back of the phone but looks to be raised equally on left and right.
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As is mine. Seen my friend's phone and it looked fine.... before he smashed it *sigh*. I have the S-View cover anyway, so if it has shifted since, I wouldn't know it.

Best phone I've had!

I recently purchased the Galaxy S5 and I have to say, it's one of the best phones I have had. I am yet to have any problems with it and it's just perfect for my everyday use!
Has anyone else got it? What are your thoughts?
Same here dude! There's so much hate going on about it online but honestly it makes no sense when this is definitely better than other galaxy phones all around and it's just a beautiful device. Just because its made with plastic shouldn't make it "bad". Glad I'm not alone!
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JGillis2391 said:
Same here dude! There's so much hate going on about it online but honestly it makes no sense when this is definitely better than other galaxy phones all around and it's just a beautiful device. Just because its made with plastic shouldn't make it "bad". Glad I'm not alone!
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Tell me about it. It doesn't deserve this much hate just because of the material it's made of. Why don't people base it off the actual phone and not the material.
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Tell me about it. It doesn't deserve this much hate just because of the material it's made of. Why don't people base it off the actual phone and not the material.
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Because people are all about looks/aesthetics these days, that's why.... either way I wrap my baby up in a case, so ven if I had an M8 you wouldn't be able to see the "premium, beautiful metal build". FYI I prefer the plastic, doesn't dent or scratch nearly as easy as metal, and less weight, so when/if it does fall, it gets less damage!
my fav was the note 2... but this phone is great the m8 was long for no reason didnt feel good in the hand and was heavy
soon as i got the 5 out the box it felt way better before even turning it on
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Because people are all about looks/aesthetics these days, that's why.... either way I wrap my baby up in a case, so ven if I had an M8 you wouldn't be able to see the "premium, beautiful metal build". FYI I prefer the plastic, doesn't dent or scratch nearly as easy as metal, and less weight, so when/if it does fall, it gets less damage!
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Agree entirely!
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I agree with you guys. I think it feels great in the hand. It had me at screen on.
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yep, its great
the hate is all about because samsung is getting complacent and not changing up the phone exterior.....i mean..it essentially looks like a S4
what i don't like about it is that i think samsung is mass producing too quickly and a lot of phones have random issues here and there like scratched bezels, crooked stuff, mushy home buttons, etc...the QA went downhill
I'm happy with it!
I've never had a problem with touchwiz. This one is more user friendly and maybe more designed for the casual user but I do find things easier now.
The battery life is better than my S3 but all phones seem to start out with battery life being good for the first year then it goes down.
I haven't taken many pictures but I'm not real happy with the camera.
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I haven't taken many pictures but I'm not real happy with the camera.
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what dont you like specifically?
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what dont you like specifically?
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Low light/indoor pics are
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Low light/indoor pics are
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really? compared to my old s2, s3, and s4, the low light photos are PHENOMENAL!!
are you turning on the picture stabilization in low light or HDR? that is the key to good low light photos
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yep, its great
the hate is all about because samsung is getting complacent and not changing up the phone exterior.....i mean..it essentially looks like a S4
what i don't like about it is that i think samsung is mass producing too quickly and a lot of phones have random issues here and there like scratched bezels, crooked stuff, mushy home buttons, etc...the QA went downhill
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I actually liked the handling of the S4 (might be one of the few who actually did lol!)
I actually have to, but I agree about the bezel. Even tho I really like the look of the S4's bezel, the one of the S5 is pretty horrible lol. I really dont like it at all. But, that alone wouldn't persuade me from getting it.
I'll also admit that the white one feels extremely slippery on the back. Besides using an OtterBox for work every day, I'm not a huge case guy. Soon as i T home each day, I take the Defender off and slip on the Spigen bumper case that I got. Phone almost slipped outta my hands quite a few times already.
Orhan than that, I got no regrets. Very well rounded device. Surely won me over once again compared to HtC
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I actually liked the handling of the S4 (might be one of the few who actually did lol!)
I actually have to, but I agree about the bezel. Even tho I really like the look of the S4's bezel, the one of the S5 is pretty horrible lol. I really dont like it at all. But, that alone wouldn't persuade me from getting it.
I'll also admit that the white one feels extremely slippery on the back. Besides using an OtterBox for work every day, I'm not a huge case guy. Soon as i T home each day, I take the Defender off and slip on the Spigen bumper case that I got. Phone almost slipped outta my hands quite a few times already.
Orhan than that, I got no regrets. Very well rounded device. Surely won me over once again compared to HtC
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Ya, the white one comes with a more plasticy back versus black is more rubberized
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I don't get how this phone has too big of a bezel. I feel like if it were any smaller id be hitting the screen too much. I'm used to a bezel coming from EVO devices so I may be a bit ignorant about it.
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Probably the speed of focusing and taking the picture. Trying to get my kids at doing something funny before they have left the room by the time the picture decides to take. I have stabilization turned off.
Outside it bright conditions it takes right away.
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Probably the speed of focusing and taking the picture. Trying to get my kids at doing something funny before they have left the room by the time the picture decides to take. I have stabilization turned off.
Outside it bright conditions it takes right away.
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The camera is pretty good for a PHONE. Your expectations might be a little high. I mean its hard to get a pic of my kids playing even with my high end cam so to expect this cam to do it is silly
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Joe0113 said:
Because people are all about looks/aesthetics these days, that's why.... either way I wrap my baby up in a case, so ven if I had an M8 you wouldn't be able to see the "premium, beautiful metal build". FYI I prefer the plastic, doesn't dent or scratch nearly as easy as metal, and less weight, so when/if it does fall, it gets less damage!
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Yes, I agree. I just generally think people are way too picky nowadays and want perfection when it comes to phones. I'm like you, I prefer plastic.
doverjosh8 said:
I recently purchased the Galaxy S5 and I have to say, it's one of the best phones I have had. I am yet to have any problems with it and it's just perfect for my everyday use!
Has anyone else got it? What are your thoughts?
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The fact that it doesn't do simultaneous voice and data definitely makes it NOT the best phone!
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iceddown said:
The fact that it doesn't do simultaneous voice and data definitely makes it NOT the best phone!
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Does any phone do this currently?

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