now it is one week since magldr was released, thanks to DFT.
it was like the end of the year gift to us, we were very happy (and we still happy) because it really bring our HD2 to life again, one day before the release of MAGLDR i was thinking of replacing it with Desire because and that because SD/RAM builds was not stable and even if it is stable it will not last more than one month before start giving FCs etc...
i opened this thread (i hope it is in the correct section, and if it is not i am sorry about that MODs will move it) to share our opinions about nand roms, is it stable as we were expect, are you happy with it or not, if no please let us know why.
for me i am very happy with it till now, it is stable, fast and reliable, and we dont need to boot into 2 os every time we are restarting the phone, and i think HD2 Became an android phone.
I think it's incredible what DFT were able to accomplish. After NAND hit, I sent Cotulla a donation, and have been trying to figure out who else to donate to for their hard work.
As far as NAND, I haven't noticed a major difference in the quality of the builds (SD vs NAND). I think it's probably there, but I'm not technically knowledgeable to notice the difference. I hear some people say the battery life is better, but I still end up plugging my phone in every night to recharge it anyway. The one nice thing the SD builds had was that it was very simple to compare builds in case there were problems with one. I could have one build stored away in a folder called 'Android2' while I dinked around with another build to test things out. It's not a huge deal (and I could probably get Titanium Restore... er, whatever it's called, backup?), but it was simpler to just move around folders.
Anyway, WM sucked so bad, I'm very much happy to rid my phone of it. I'm thankful to all of the developers who made my phone MUCH better than it originally came as (this includes WM ROM developers obviously).
Oh... and I think this thread should've gone into the 'HD2 Android General Discussion' section.
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Oh... and I think this thread should've gone into the 'HD2 Android General Discussion' section.
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+1 for that.....
Guess MODS have to do some extra work
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Very much agree. For 1, wrong forum. This is development not 'how do you like this new feature'. More, 'how do we make this new feature work'.
Anyway, I love the NAND, and you are right, the SD was alot more convient to test and use new builds. Copy the folder and launch. Cant get easier than that indefinitly.
Although, the SDcard is not made to be read/written that many times. The SDcard itself, AND the SD reader in the phone were not made to be used that much.
The hardware im sure has got ALOT better since the G1 days, but this is exactly how my G1 died. Back in the day we used the SD to swap files, and used the ext3/4 to give the G1 a boost. Needless to say, the phone wouldnt read ANY sd card after like 8 months I think it was. Thats when I had to get a new phone because we had it so you needed the SDcard to flash a new build and w.out it, the phone could never be updated.
So my opinion? The phones come with NAND for a reason. Lets use it . Use MyBackup or Titanium and youll be okay. The flash doesnt take too long, AND its just like a REGULAR ANDROID .
THANKS DEVELOPERS! You saved me $500 and my SDcard slot.
Well, well, well. Happy to leave my comment here 'bout NAND.. This is Dream come true and the best that ever happened to my lovely HD2. With NAND, my HD2 has been on daily use without any single fault or malfunction. It works very well and the battery life is very very very GOOD. I really don't know how to start thankin' DFT and all those who put their efforts, ideas, time, compromise and and and.. THANKSSSSSSSSS. I'm done with testing NAND and now up toooooooo Donate. They deserve it.
I have not noticed any difference with nand, all the same issues still exist, but now its more inconvenient to change builds, mod system files, change kernels, etc.. Battery life is no different compared to SD. Boot time is not shorter compared to dual boot with EBL. From a developing stand point magldr is a milestone, but from a usability/practical point, its underwhelming. I think RAM smokes nand by far and wish more development is put towards RAM. I'm anxiously waiting for DS's nand+ram.
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I have not noticed any difference with nand, all the same issues still exist, but now its more inconvenient to change builds, mod system files, change kernels, etc.. Battery life is no different compared to SD. Boot time is not shorter compared to dual boot with EBL. From a developing stand point magldr is a milestone, but from a usability/practical point, its underwhelming. I think RAM smokes nand by far and wish more development is put towards RAM. I'm anxiously waiting for DS's nand+ram.
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Just nit picking a little, but there will never be a "nand + ram" as you say. The ram build loads the build into ram memory, thereby making it analogous to the rom memory. In nand, the build uses ram in much the same way your normal computer does. Therefore, even if it was possible to do a nand/ram build (anything is possible for darkstone, really), I don't see the benefit because you would have less ram to work with, and rom read/write speed is actually slower than many sd card read/write speeds.
Back to topic! Only time will tell, but i think the best thing about nand is, as another user pointed out earlier, data stability. So tired of having to reload apps after a week or two because the build craps out on me.
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not a dream come true for me, but i am happy to be able to be able to copy files through the usb cable without having to reboot afterwards.
no,
it wasn't what i expected, i tought it would delete hspl.
but it didn't, it's even better like this.
it's amazingly stable.
i'm statified, expect that my data wasn't working yesterday[ppp]
hopefully that won't come along.
but if i have to restart it every night to fix it i'm fine
Im loving MAGLDR and what it has brung to the table but there iw one disappointment in that as far as I can remember it was said by cotulla or somebody else that we would have option of keeping WinMO on NAND and booting Android from SD via MAGLDR instead of via WM.
I kind of liked the idea of having that additional option also.
But its no big loss really and im just happy to have the ability to boot directly into android
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Im loving MAGLDR and what it has brung to the table but there iw one disappointment in that as far as I can remember it was said by cotulla or somebody else that we would have option of keeping WinMO on NAND and booting Android from SD via MAGLDR instead of via WM.
I kind of liked the idea of having that additional option also.
But its no big loss really and im just happy to have the ability to boot directly into android
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That was my biggest disappointment about it, too. But it lists booting wm65 under future developments, so hopefully soon it will have that capability. I'm happy that he released the nand Android part of it for the community.
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My phone has never run this good. Nand is absolutely amazing.
My phone stays unplugged longer and runs better. What isn't to like?
Currently unplugged 13 hours and still at 50% sd builds never came close to that.
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about the only problem with magldr is the usb charging bug (big problem!)
and difficulty with clockwork recovery
hoping both are fixed soon
wm7 seems already future supported and WM 6.5 can rot in hell
magldr made me buy the hd2
I'm satisfied with NAND. SD versions were a ton of fun to test and switch, which I did like crazy....however I've found a NAND flavor that is deathly fast, stable on which everything works (TMOUS) and battery life is better than average.
can i just ask - what would be the point of MAGLDR having a WM 6.5 boot feature if a 6.5 rom boots just fine without magldr? its not like WM will run from SD card..... ?
it would be a pain for WM chefs (me included) to re-tool and create MAGLDR compatible ROMS when our current methods work just fine. Remember, MAGLDR is just a flash away at any rate.....
Yes !!! I got my expectings pleased with nand and all the things are working on mdeejays HD Revolution,and battery is so good-i might say-better than with winmo on it...
Thanx to DFT for MAGLDR and mdeejay for all the goodies with his roms
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can i just ask - what would be the point of MAGLDR having a WM 6.5 boot feature if a 6.5 rom boots just fine without magldr? its not like WM will run from SD card..... ?
it would be a pain for WM chefs (me included) to re-tool and create MAGLDR compatible ROMS when our current methods work just fine. Remember, MAGLDR is just a flash away at any rate.....
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Because with magldr, you can have it boot directly into Android on your SD card without having to go into winmo first.
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In my opnion yes..
VERY satisfied with NAND. No more wake up lag or during call black screen, which was pretty much the trouble I was having with SD and RAM builds.
Thx DFT!
After the NAND release SD builds are totally abandoned ... no updates at all.. some still want to use winmo 6.5 for many reasons.. for me it's volume with SRS WOW HD .. volume is super loud and it's very usefull while watching movies in crowded places like trains and such....and there is WP7 now, we can dual boot WP7 and Android..... like this there are many uses, so some like to stick with SD builds.... recently if you goto that forum all you can use is december updates..
Please chefs update SD builds too if possible...I would like to have a latest skinned RMNET Desire HD ..
Yes, Please update SD builds...
I was going to write similar post but careful enough I checked the forums and found someone who thinks exactly as I do.
After NAND builds appeared I suddenly realized, I don't want just android I want both and it's sad to see that most of the SD builds are from December. I still think that Winmo builds made by NRGZ's are great and I don't want to part with that if I have choice to have both systems running.
I also think that windows isn't that bad afer not better but not that bad to get rid of it.
Same thought ... hope some chef can spare some time on checking the SD Build
+1 i would like to see a coredroid Hd 0.5 Sd.
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I was going to write similar post but careful enough I checked the forums and found someone who thinks exactly as I do.
After NAND builds appeared I suddenly realized, I don't want just android I want both and it's sad to see that most of the SD builds are from December. I still think that Winmo builds made by NRGZ's are great and I don't want to part with that if I have choice to have both systems running.
I also think that windows isn't that bad afer not better but not that bad to get rid of it.
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+1... I don't understand why so many wanted to turn our multi-OS booting superphone into just another android phone. It takes away what makes the HD2 special and gives it an edge over other high-end android phones. Flashing android to nand makes it into an EVO with not as good hardware. It can't do anything that someone with an evo or desire HD can't do better. But with the ability to boot winmo or wp7, then it can do a lot that the EVO and desire can't do. I'm using WP7 and booting android from SD right now, and cotulla says he's working on a WM6.5 build that can be booted from SD, so if that works out, we can boot WP7, WM6.5, Android, Ubuntu and hopefully meego all from the same phone anytime we want! It will be great!
so i have one of sergios cooked roms as my main rom. and i love it. zero bugs and zero issues with interface. i do like the android booting from the sd card. i dont think im quite ready to ditch wm altogether and go nand. so can i load wp7 from my sd card just as i do android? im hesitant to go nand wp7 due to the fact that it still has bugs and want a very solid very capable daily use rom like i currently get from core cell v3.
You can't run WP7 from SD, and I don't know if there's any plan to make it possible. You can have WP7 on NAND and Android running from SD, so you can reboot and switch between OSs, but that's currently the only option to do so.
Incidentally, if you're curious about WP7 then it really is worth trying. I know that there's quite a few issues that have been raised by various people, but the majority of people are having no problems (myself included when I tried it).
Hope this helps mate
and how hard is it to go back to wm. because ive really been held on to by wm. ive really had a hard time getting used to android and that's why I haven't gone nand. is it worth it to go to wp7 and should I just bite the bullet
To flash WM back is easy. You just start the phone in bootloader mode and run the installer.
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I am currently dual booting WP7 and android but a lot of the magldr and a lot of the SD Magldr builds are not as well built as the nand versions. Should i just remove wp7 and stick with android nand? Cotulla isnt going to release magldr 1.14 any time soon so i dont know what to choose till then.
i'll just tell you ahead of time the best choice for what to choose should come from what you feel you like best/what best suits your needs and wants from the phone.
you'll receive a lot of opinions but your opinion matters most because its your phone you're dealing with.
now if you want an opinion. here is my opinion.... use android. nothing else needed to be said from my opinion
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i'll just tell you ahead of time the best choice for what to choose should come from what you feel you like best/what best suits your needs and wants from the phone.
you'll receive a lot of opinions but your opinion matters most because its your phone you're dealing with.
now if you want an opinion. here is my opinion.... use android. nothing else needed to be said from my opinion
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I'd continue to dual-boot, American Android and some of the other SD builds are just as good as nand android builds, so why not keep playing with both?
True "a lot" aren't as good, but some are even better, because you can create real 1gb data.img files that never run out of space and you can update/switch builds easier.
If you don't like any of the sd builds then yeah I guess go to Android NAND, sounds like you've already made up your mind.
There are many of good sd android builds but question is if wm7 has something what is irretrievable for you. I was used to running on win mobile 6.5 and now I am fully satisfied with nand android.
Hey everyone
Im just bought a used hd2 and just doing some investigating on xda on what you can do on it. And i must say, you can do A LOT on it. I was thinking of using a sd android rom as it is the easiest way. But now it leaves me with a decision with what OS to boot on NAND. Windows Mobile is old but its still good, WP7 is new and i dunno, kind of stuck in between the two. Can anyone help with my dilemma? Thanks
Why not just try WP7? It isn't going to take more than 5 mins to have everything ready. Beware it will format your sd card, so put in another one.
wp7 is a great os... go for it
best thing would be to try out wp7 and experience it. it's definitely worth installing and trying out. like wm6.5 or android, wp7 has it's own ups and downs. really depends on your preferences but again once you've tried it only you can decide which os is best suited for you. cheers
As to me, i still love WM 6.5.5 and i am going to stick with it for a very long time! Sense UI is so ****in great! loooooooove it! Android is not my stile and WM 7 is weird... my opinion though maybe later on i'll try both of them!
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Hey everyone
Im just bought a used hd2 and just doing some investigating on xda on what you can do on it. And i must say, you can do A LOT on it. I was thinking of using a sd android rom as it is the easiest way. But now it leaves me with a decision with what OS to boot on NAND. Windows Mobile is old but its still good, WP7 is new and i dunno, kind of stuck in between the two. Can anyone help with my dilemma? Thanks
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Just like others, I would strongly encourage you to test all the roms available here
I once, used SD Android, then WP7, then NANDROID, then going back again to Dual Boot WM 6.5.x and SD Android. This is the best combination for what I need it from my HD2. But, it will be very subjective.
So, go flashing it and share your experiences with us
Cheers
If you are mainly going to run Android, then why not run it Android NAND?
If you prefer the dual boot but still mainly use the Android on the SD, then does it really matter, as you switch on your HD2 then when WP or WM boot up you use the system to close and load Android.
Personally I still like WM, as it is open and completely customisable. I regularly switch between WM and Android (SD). Android for the apps and WM for the apps not on Android. If all the apps were available on all operating systems (WM/WP/Android) I would not move away from WM.