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NAND Questions

What is NAND?
All i know is its .. well what i think it is is flashing your phones storags and installing Android where WM was..
Could anyone explain to me how to do this, or give me a link to a tutorial?

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=603508 should have all you need covered.

bri3d said:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=603508 should have all you need covered.
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TYVM biiggg help 8D

nand is the internal memory on your phone. To put it in terms of your computer it's the internal hdd, where as the sd card is an external hdd..
Does that help?

mssmison said:
nand is the internal memory on your phone. To put it in terms of your computer it's the internal hdd, where as the sd card is an external hdd..
Does that help?
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i have a nother question, you have to unlock ur phone, does and once u install android is WM still on my phone, like can i still use it? because the hero rom doesnty send texts when i use it off my SD card and im afraid it wont send texts when i have it on NAND, then ill b stuck if i cant use WM. And finally does NAND make it ALOT fast cause the hero rom is terribly lagging on SD card

To flash Android on the NAND you have to unlock your phone first, if you have a custom ROM you have already unlocked your phone. If you install Android on the NAND, it will completely remove Windows Mobile, the only way to get WinMo back would be to flash a WinMo ROM.
As for a speed difference, there would not be a huge difference if you have a fast SD card (class 6). If you have a slower card you will see a marked difference in speed.
If you are worried about speed you should try a different build, if you like Hero, jamezelle's sensehero build is probably the fastest, but it isn't nearly as fast or stable as plemen's themed donut builds.

I'd suggest you use the tattoo build posted by vilord. It sends texts just fine. I used it for a while and really liked it.

mssmison said:
I'd suggest you use the tattoo build posted by vilord. It sends texts just fine. I used it for a while and really liked it.
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True, but, vilord's build is too large to flash in it's current state so you will have to run it through Haret.

mssmison said:
I'd suggest you use the tattoo build posted by vilord. It sends texts just fine. I used it for a while and really liked it.
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link please =]? and with every build i use it wont send txt messages, i got one of them to actually now that i think about it, it was the Eclair one, but all others wont

The only builds that have sms issues are the hero based builds. And if fact it does send the text it just reports that it doesn't.
Seeing as you're just starting out in nand, start with DZO's android install package here.
It's a great build.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=593786

mssmison said:
The only builds that have sms issues are the hero based builds. And if fact it does send the text it just reports that it doesn't.
Seeing as you're just starting out in nand, start with DZO's android install package here.
It's a great build.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=593786
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im not gonna do NAND, im currently using SD android, but im not gonna do NAND cause i dont want to lose WM because currently android isnt working right

10 charaters

ali3nfr3ak said:
10 charaters
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yea, cause that tells me alot

zbubblez said:
im not gonna do NAND, im currently using SD android, but im not gonna do NAND cause i dont want to lose WM because currently android isnt working right
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what is it that is not working right in android for you?
GPS works, bluetooth works(on the right builds), sms, calls, etc..

I have settled for WM6.5.x and Vilord's Tattoo on a class 6 4gb micro sdhc. That way I can flash the newest WM and still play with android. I have used a 2gb with Android and it is definitely slower. Even a Kingston class 4 was noticably slower.

zbubblez said:
yea, cause that tells me alot
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yeah sorry about that said something was wrong lol

[APP] Jmz Software Android Installer

Here is the app I wrote back for the TP2 to cook Android into your rom for basically an Android only rom. All you have to do is zip up the new release and rename to android.zip and throw it into the EXT. Included is v3 of the Android with Sense port that dcordes posted on XDA.
This will not turn into a discussion about the actual porting of Android. The only thing that should be discussed in this thread is if you have any issues or questions about my app itself. The porting of Android can be discussed elsewhere.
Download Here​

anyone tried this yet?

This is the rom I made for the TP2 using this app. Also, don't pay attention to the errors with android in that thread as they have no relevance to the HD2 port
http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=118191

so if a chef cooked this into a rom, we would have bootable android on the hd2? Sorry if im way off haha, and also either way, what version of android is it?

All this app does is interrupt windows mobile booting and installs android to your sd card. Then on the next boot it will interrupt it again and automatically run HARET from your sd card.
so, in short you will still have to have the overhead of some components from windows mobile in the rom to boot, but only about 25MB worth of stuff.
V3 of the Sense port at the following link. http://gamesquare.co.uk/

Nice! I was thinking of doing the same thing. I will give this a try.

jmztaylor said:
Here is the app I wrote back for the TP2 to cook Android into your rom for basically an Android only rom. All you have to do is zip up the new release and rename to android.zip and throw it into the EXT. Included is v3 of the Android with Sense port that dcordes posted on XDA.
Download Here​
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does this really works???????

wawa144st said:
does this really works???????
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Even if it works, what it does is that it allows you to run Android which you can as such do without using this by simply tapping on HARET on SD card. While Android porting itself is unstable, this will not add any stability, will it?

nicedude_abad said:
Even if it works, what it does is that it allows you to run Android which you can as such do without using this by simply tapping on HARET on SD card. While Android porting itself is unstable, this will not add any stability, will it?
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Nope, just something to play with. And usage in the future might be better, but I did this for the TP2 awhile back with Android a lot more stable there. But it will be a good app just to play with and then when Android gets more stable a possible permanent tool to use.

jmztaylor said:
Nope, just something to play with. And usage in the future might be better, but I did this for the TP2 awhile back with Android a lot more stable there. But it will be a good app just to play with and then when Android gets more stable a possible permanent tool to use.
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all i really want to do is use android apps and the market place how can i do that or can it do that?

wawa144st said:
all i really want to do is use android apps and the market place how can i do that or can it do that?
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Not at the current state of the port.

[Q] SD Android continuation

I have a smal question... I was wondering what will happen to the SD builds now that NAND is out. Are devs gonna disclaim those of us that like to have WM on they'r phone or like me cannot install NAND?
If u think this is not the place for the question feel free to move this

Hopefully die a quick death. By the way, why can't you install mgldr? Also, this is the wrong forum.
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i suspect NAND will work for most 95% of the phones out there
the question is , SD card is old technology but does bring its benefits
backing up, upgrading builds and modifying components were a little easier made from Windows Mobile. Multiple Android boots from different Android Folders as well using Exceller's
well, to me, SD card should perhaps move to the direction of RAM.
and finally NAND only and RAM only builds should conquer.. speed, stability and functionality
Primary Generation : NAND (with some setbacks now)
Secondary Generation : RAM ( with some setbacks now)
Tertiary Generation : SD (with setbacks as well)
they all have their UP and DOWNS, I believe its CHOICE
and if you dont like Android, go with Windows Mobile ! The power to customize is up 2 you
darkstone is working on NAND+RAM, so lets see how that unfolds...

Ahmun_Ra said:
I have a smal question... I was wondering what will happen to the SD builds now that NAND is out. Are devs gonna disclaim those of us that like to have WM on they'r phone or like me cannot install NAND?
If u think this is not the place for the question feel free to move this
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even me would be on the list... as i tried everything possible (combinations of WM ROM/ RADIO /TASK29) to install nand.
magldr does install. but partition send failed is the error on dft installer... and magldr says block 0 , bad crc..
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I'm wondering what's happening to nand roms, not even on first page? just SD builds
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norpan111 said:
I'm wondering what's happening to nand roms, not even on first page? just SD builds
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Probably because there are no or very little problems with the NAND builds so nobody has questions about them.

This is an interesting thread. I am using sd builds too. I'd like to have dual boot too because i need winmo from time to time to use mytinytv. Most recent android builds are now moving to nand. Unless magldr has dual boot options, i'd like to stick with sd builds.
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Do we have the option to run a SD build from mgldr ? Ive had a little go but no boot yet...

norpan111 said:
I'm wondering what's happening to nand roms, not even on first page? just SD builds
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The nand build have their own sub forum. XDA app cannot see that yet. Try to browse in a computer and you'll see.
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norpan111 said:
I'm wondering what's happening to nand roms, not even on first page? just SD builds
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All the nand roms have been moved to its own subforum.
Edit: knew I should've just waited to let somebody else answer

Satyan said:
even me would be on the list... as i tried everything possible (combinations of WM ROM/ RADIO /TASK29) to install nand.
magldr does install. but partition send failed is the error on dft installer... and magldr says block 0 , bad crc..
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I had this problem. After I did the following , flashing nand worked.
1. Flash with task 29
2. Flash stock win mo rom
3. Flash magldr
4. Flash nand rom of choice.
This process has to be done in that order.
I tried different combinations until I found this one to work repeatedly.
Hopefully you figure it out...
Also did you un check allow usb connections in active sync?
Good luck.
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I believe nand is better ,faster and more stable way to have android in our phones but i think that is better to have more than one choises.

personally i do think i NEVER move the build into NAND - as I am still vigorously using the GPS software in the original WM which is too useful to me ... lol
furthermore, backing up all stuff in SD is too easy to me - so I didn't / never think of placing any backup stuff in my android builds... lol

SD RAM will defeat NAND...i guess
I believe that most of the limitation you will incur with NAND have limited chances of been resolved (user space).
I've tested 6 NAND builds, they work fine and they have a lower battery drain compared to SD and SD/RAM release.
Nevertheless most of us want to install apps and unfortunately not all can be moved to SD....so IMHO at the end the most flexible long term solution is SD plus RAM loading (to have the benefits of huge user space and good performance...with a little higher battery consumption)

Well, as much as I love flashing the living crap out of my phones. . . . I quit. . . After I got a perfected WMO and Robot combo running.
My phone runs about 97% perfect. . . Which is just the same if not better then a native Android device.

I currently absolutely want to keep WM on my phone, because I like it but especially because there are a couple of apps for WinMo which I really need. I have bought a HD2 and not an Android phone because I need both systems. Therefore I hope to see that SD Android development goes on, possibly in the RAM direction.

Black Antitoon said:
I currently absolutely want to keep WM on my phone, because I like it but especially because there are a couple of apps for WinMo which I really need. I have bought a HD2 and not an Android phone because I need both systems. Therefore I hope to see that SD Android development goes on, possibly in the RAM direction.
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+1, 100% same case with me.
(and we are not alone... )

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Black Antitoon said:
I currently absolutely want to keep WM on my phone, because I like it but especially because there are a couple of apps for WinMo which I really need. I have bought a HD2 and not an Android phone because I need both systems. Therefore I hope to see that SD Android development goes on, possibly in the RAM direction.
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+10. totaly with you and with SD RAM . So why we have bought HD2 ???
DARKSTONE please continu with SD RAM .

I would be very happy to have some sd/ram build updates in the future. Obviously as we are having the nand boom at the moment, noone should expect sd/ram builds in the next couple of days, I guess.
I love having my energy rom under the android one, especially for my Igo8 navigation. And I still have one of those stupid issues with all the builds when the phone stucks on 60Ma on standby for hours, dont know why. Sd gives the freedom of costumization, great for research, I can save any build in a directory and put it aside.
Thanks for all your hard work and keep up the good work.

Nand has been the holy grail of developement - and so the big, big interest...But in going down the nand route you are losing half the functionality of the phone. So until and unless there is a dual boot option I think I'm going to stick with SD

Hybrid NAND Android and WP7 ROM?

I was wondering if it would be possible to have a NAND ROM that includes both Android and WP7 installed to the NAND and partition the SD card for storage? This I believe could be possible if the NAND is partitioned correctly to allow them both to run and then you could select them in the MAGLDR!
I would like some dev feedback on this as I would try building a ROM myself but I don't know the workings of the partitioning system in MAGLDR well enough to try! I have posted this in this section as Android NAND ROM builders should know enough about the MAGLDR's partition system to know if it is possible as I love android but would also like to use WP7 as a secondary NOT primary OS!
Thanks in Advance for any help!

Wrong place to ask this. You should have asked this in WP7 Q&A section.

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=917716
if only you had gone a page further in this forum

David Balfour said:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=917716
if only you had gone a page further in this forum
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I've seen that but what I want is to boot Android and WP7 from NAND NOT run android from the SD Card like that guy done because that makes android run slow and I want android as my primary OS!

I know that wp7 only uses 512mb of the Nand on the T-Mobile US HD2s, so if we can somehow install and nand android build on the other 512mb, that would be great. I hope a way to do this is found.

zarathustrax said:
I know that wp7 only uses 512mb of the Nand on the T-Mobile US HD2s, so if we can somehow install and nand android build on the other 512mb, that would be great. I hope a way to do this is found.
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+1 Best of both worlds.. who needs 1 nand os when we can have 2

zarathustrax said:
I know that wp7 only uses 512mb of the Nand on the T-Mobile US HD2s, so if we can somehow install and nand android build on the other 512mb, that would be great. I hope a way to do this is found.
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that's what i was wondering since i have learnt wp7 uses only half of nand memory... do u know what happens to the rest of memory ? if the other half is left avaible and free by wp7 then technically it should be just a matter of finding the right partion method for what it takes to have wp7 nand & android nand both together in Leo1024Tmous hardware

captainhakan said:
that's what i was wondering since i have learnt wp7 uses only half of nand memory... do u know what happens to the rest of memory ? if the other half is left avaible and free by wp7 then technically it should be just a matter of finding the right partion method for what it takes to have wp7 nand & android nand both together in Leo1024Tmous hardware
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Actually I think it would work on 512mb HD2's too since WP7 only takes up like 170mb of the NAND and doesn't even use the rest for storage if there is no SD which is strange... my phone reports 160mb used and 5mb available so it would easily allow an android ROM to fit in the rest and the SD can be storage for both...

Any Android Chefs have any ideas or feedback
I was just wondering if any android chefs could enlighten me on the partition system used in magldr?
Thanks.

microang said:
Actually I think it would work on 512mb HD2's too since WP7 only takes up like 170mb of the NAND and doesn't even use the rest for storage if there is no SD which is strange... my phone reports 160mb used and 5mb available so it would easily allow an android ROM to fit in the rest and the SD can be storage for both...
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I think it uses the whole 512... if it only reports 165 mb when you don't use sd, then the other 347mb is used by the os and just isn't reported, i'm pretty sure. Like with winmo, it doesn't show all the rom memory your device has, but it's being used still. I could be wrong.

Wrong fourm to ask this ****. the rules in the stickys are clear.
"Questions are to be posted in the Q&A forum. If posted anywhere else they will be moved with NO redirects."

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Wrong fourm to ask this ****. the rules in the stickys are clear.
"Questions are to be posted in the Q&A forum. If posted anywhere else they will be moved with NO redirects."
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Sorry if it's in the wrong thread but I wanted it to be a developer thread so thought here would be the right place as it's Android development. If I'm wrong a mod can move it I guess.
Oh and considering the WP7 Image only takes up like 170mb as the image then from experience of building WinMo ROMs on the diamond it normally stayed around the same size after flashing, normally no more than 20mb more... it's not like WP7 is a big OS or anything from how it looks anyway...

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Wrong fourm to ask this ****. the rules in the stickys are clear.
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your a **** just report it no need to BE ass
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From the little I know I think the biggest potential issue currently is magldr only supports 8 yaffs2 partitions. http://htc-linux.org/wiki/index.php?title=Leo/Magldr While that sounds like plenty, I believe android takes up 6 or so and I don't know how many wp7 takes. I don't see why they couldn't add support for more partitions in the future but right now that's an issue. Personally, I want winmo and wp7 on nand and everything else on SD for the ultimate multibooing experience.
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Even I have been thinking about the same. The MAGLDR just has fixed address stored to boot NAND Android and NAND WP7. Can we somehow get to know what can be the address of the end of WP7 so that atleast in a TMOUS HD2 we can utilize the leftover NAND to install Android.

Me I want Android in Nand and everything else is SD - WP7, winmo, Meego, Ubuntu, Yellow Dog, Kitchen sink - all in Sd. Give me that and I will marry you!

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your a **** just report it no need to BE ass
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He has every need to point out whenever possible to people that they are posting in wrong section. Its you who are been an ass.
@ OP
It would probably be possible but it would require a new MAGLDR.

Can anyone Recommend a Rom which has unlock tools built in? got my activation code

as the title suggests..is there a rom which doesnt need unlocking? thanks for any replies

All the ROMs are basically the same/based off the original DFT LEO70 ROM. There are newer versions out with NoDo cooked in that are unlocked. It's basically a question that only u can answer as you will need to see which one suits you best. I've been using XboxMod 1.10 since it was released and have to say it is a great, stable NoDo ROM, although the Call hard key still lauches the camera on this (as with many ROMs), which is a little annoying as it can do this even when the screen is locked.

cheers dude, im really struggling with the unlocking side of things e.g. chevron i got an activation code.
does that rom need unlocking? im just after any rom which has this built in?

Moschino02 said:
cheers dude, im really struggling with the unlocking side of things e.g. chevron i got an activation code.
im just after any rom which has this built in? can u suggest any?
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I believe all of the NoDo ROMs already are unlocked and have re-lock prevention built-in. Like the other guys stated...which one you pick is your personal preference. I am using YukiXDA's ROM...he was the first one to crack NoDo for the HD2..and he is also working on several fixes plaguing WP7 on the HD2 so this ROM is in continual update outside of DFT's work.

much obliged..thanks for clarifying that..so i guess il have to try the NoDo roms and see which one is stable and suits me..excellant

Moschino02 said:
much obliged..thanks for clarifying that..so i guess il have to try the NoDo roms and see which one is stable and suits me..excellant
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The ROM's are all pretty much stable. The differences are some have tweaked specific boot screen graphics and/or included various third-party apps that you otherwise would have to install manually.
Personally, I'd rather install any apps that are not part of the factory ROM myself and have control over updates. When an app is built into a ROM, updates are not possible. YukiXDA does not have any third-party apps built in. It is the base factory ROM for now. As I stated, he is working on "fixing" issues that are unique to the HD2 and is expecting to release the update ROM soon within the week. I don't know if the other ROM cooks are going to obtain any fixes Yuki makes to be part of their versions.

you make a very good point that can be a great disadvantage in some ways.. what others have u tried? think i mite head that way soon!thanks for that info!very usefuk
if u can also answer this query which i cant seem to find an answer for..
inevitably when.i flash wp7, my sd card will shrink to 200mb etc do i just carry on using this sd card as normal on wp7 with reduced storage?
i know people recommend sdcardformatter but do i flash wp7 , take sd card out and format then re-insert card using wp7?

Moschino02 said:
you make a very good point that can be a great disadvantage in some ways.. what others have u tried? think i mite head that way soon!thanks for that info!very usefuk
if u can also answer this query which i cant seem to find an answer for..
inevitably when.i flash wp7, my sd card will shrink to 200mb etc do i just carry on using this sd card as normal on wp7 with reduced storage?
i know people recommend sdcardformatter but do i flash wp7 , take sd card out and format then re-insert card using wp7?
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It is not a fact that you will have diminished SD capacity with WP7!!! I have my full 16GB on my SD card and so do most people. I think it's an issue of the SD card compatibility. An SD card that works for one person may not work for another. I would recommend task29 (like it's been recommended with WM6.5) though before flashing WP7. Others have said it's not needed, but I think it does keep you from experiencing a lot of the difficulties many people have encountered. I task29 before each flash and I have yet to experience any issues with WP7. And I have transitioned over from WM to Android, back to WM, and now my 3rd WP7 flash. My HD2 has been humming along quite nicely!

hjhjhj said:
I believe all of the NoDo ROMs already are unlocked and have re-lock prevention built-in. Like the other guys stated...which one you pick is your personal preference. I am using YukiXDA's ROM...he was the first one to crack NoDo for the HD2..and he is also working on several fixes plaguing WP7 on the HD2 so this ROM is in continual update outside of DFT's work.
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Thanks for the info.......

Thanks
[SIZE=""]Massive Thanks to the whole Team DFT and everyone on this forum who made this possible
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Mango or Nodo?