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[Q]Android on Blackstone

So I see the Qualcomm Chipset is the same as the G1 phone, do you reckon we'll see a rom for this?

Hands down, I know nothing about rom making.
But one thing is for sure;
There will be Android on many of the HTC handsets out there, and Touch HD probebly going to one of the first phones with a fully ported version of Android.
Kaiser is the one who probebly be the first the rom makers will make a fully working Android phone, since most people who owns the phone is very skilled in rom making and they have already come a long way. You can run Android on a Kaiser today, even if the G1 hasnt been released yet.
Since Android is based on a linux kernel, it is quite easy to play around with it and do whatever you want with it. It's possibly plausible to port it to a laptop with enough work (if you would want that).
Wait and see, there will probebly be android on the Touch Pro, Diamond and the Touch HD sooner or later. Just a matter of time, and depending on how many developers who will work on it.
The developer scene just need a little kick in the but, they need to move forward. And one thing that the scene needs right now is a rawdump of the android os.

Android (or even iPhone, though I accept it is impossible) on HTC HD is my ultimate wish...
Best hardware with potential OS... also for a Gmail user...
I will go for HTC HD once this issue have been responded.

The words "iPhone" and "potential OS" are absolutely contradictory... there's probably no other mobile OS that lacks so many important features and is so limited.
Same for Android. At least, Android has the potential to improve, iPhone doesn't.

One potential issue with Android on the Blackstone is the lack of hardware input on the Blackstone. At the moment, Android doesn't contain a SIP, or a SIP framework.
Other than that, it should be possible to rebuild the Android source for the subtly different hardware.
The Android bootloader will need to be edited and flashed onto the Blackstone, and that may conflict with WM/WMs bootloader.

This is not quite truth.
HTC Vogue has actually been the first mobile to run android almost fully (see thread below for more.)
Kaiser at the moment can run only 0.8 version of the SDK and with serious impediments, like not making a reliable data connection, call only on 3g, among others.
We are still to complete a proper compilation of the latest released code. But that will come fortunately.
vogue thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=382265&page=139
kaiser thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=396782&page=153
qetuR said:
Hands down, I know nothing about rom making.
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Kaiser is the one who probebly be the first the rom makers will make a fully working Android phone, since most people who owns the phone is very skilled in rom making and they have already come a long way. You can run Android on a Kaiser today, even if the G1 hasnt been released yet.
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I also see that on other android sites that now people are doing those IME and SIP so I dont worry.
well, though u may say iPhone OS is not potential and limited, but it is true that it brings lots of new concept. Even though people now in this forum tailor made a lots of iPhone like software for their WM devices like slide2play etc... this is because they found these iPhone components are more enjoyable.
Of course, I already have given up my wm devices and change to iPhone as it supports a Gmail user like me fully with better interface and fonts, I have discontinued using MS outlook after 10 years with Yahoo mail. So I do not need WM devices anymore.
However, I must admit that HTC HD is a great great hardware so I really hope this can be put android inside.
To me, and we can see that, WM is really limiting after years, not much and could not improve further.... the fonts, application (browser, video player n quality etc) and its ergonomics.
For iPhone, it does well for Gmail, either by Mail application or web (same format as web- stack)
I use free www.nuevasync.com services to push contacts and calendar events with phone and web.
I believe it works better in Android the self environment...look forward seeing it soon

dogmood said:
To me, and we can see that, WM is really limiting after years, not much and could not improve further.... the fonts, application (browser, video player n quality etc) and its ergonomics.
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I totally disagree with the no room for improvement, I would say reconsider on how much your iphone can improve.. How much can it be customized? Close to ZERO... I dont have an iPhone but i have an iPod Touch, which is exactly the same as the iphone without the phone (and the camera). I know how it works, what can be done how much customizable it is.
I also have a WM6.1 Pro device (Samsung Omnia). Really, it kills the iphone, wipes it out totally...
I would say wait and be a little patient until Windows Mobile 7 comes out, I think microsoft already "got the message" about the interface, few screenshots I looked for Windows Mobile 7 looked very promising and have the potential of becoming even better than the iPhone interface.
Rumors and buzz say WM7 will be available 1st quarter of 2009
I am pretty sure, that when MS releases WM7 the developers will go nuts cooking up a new roms for all the HTC devices and the Touch HD ofc.
Again WM7, very promising interface/usability-wise!
check out the rumors:
http://gizmodo.com/341287/windows-mobile-7-details-leaked-+-multi+touch-motion-gestures

Android on Blackstone
Does anyone know if any official or non-official working on android on this device?
I'm looking for this...

aren't we all!!
if someone gets android running well on this, this would be an absolute killer!!!
BUT is it actually possible at all?
****edit**** just saw the other thread for this....

the latest reports say that WM7 will not be out until late next year and then each phone company will have to do all their own tests etc on it so we are unlikely to see it until 2010........this is from what i have read.......

MontAlbert said:
the latest reports say that WM7 will not be out until late next year and then each phone company will have to do all their own tests etc on it so we are unlikely to see it until 2010........this is from what i have read.......
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Even so, I think WM7 looks very promising, worth the wait
A first look on Android, at least for me is not so exciting, sure it has cool features sleek look and interface but still, is too new, it can hardly pass WM with loads of apps, software and customizations out there.

http://androidcommunity.com/android-coming-to-the-htc-touch-hd-20081007/

YES BUT IT WILL BE AT LEAST 12MONTHS UNTIL wm7 IS RELEASED AND THEN ANOTHER (oops caps- sorry) several months before all the bugs are out of it..... until then what are we to do? I reckopn android will be ported to HD by some enterprising person within a few months at the latest.....

Agree...No offense but WM always under-estimate their launch dates...
I really go for android this time

any android team member aware this!!?? time to do implantation!!

There was already a thread about this... I'll merge the two.

Don't forget that the android doesn't have a soft keyboard.
And the hd doesn't have a physical keyboard!

anheuer said:
Don't forget that the android doesn't have a soft keyboard.
And the hd doesn't have a physical keyboard!
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I have written a couple of small applications already to the Android Emulator, just to test the potential, and I can just say: There is no problem implementing a soft keyboard into the default GUI. You can access and change almost everything directly in the user interface. You have access to change the behavior of any default application! Build a soft keyboard to Android, written in Java, to work on any device that does not have a keyboard, can not be a hard task.
If I have time to fiddle with Android when I arrive at home I will start the task of implement an java-application that can do this. I really hope I have the time since lack of time is my biggest problem right now.
// Johan

Android 0.8
since a few days Android 0.8 is working on the Diamond/Raphael:
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=RaphaelLinux
I thought, since the hardware of the HD is not very different, it might also work on the HD.
I tried this file:
http://netripper.babyburner.dk/raphael/raph_20081105-01_android_v0.8_touchscreen_fix.exe
But my HD seems to get stuck in the Linux booting process :-(
Anybody got an idea how we can make this work?

latest official ROM

hi, are there any new official roms for the HD? i just got mine on orange and i wanna get any update out of the way so i dont loose my settings and stuff by having to flash it soon lol.....

There is no official update for the moment - just one version and it's on your phone ......

Slightly off-topic but is it normal for HTC to release upgrades for their products with new and improved features and applications? Or do they save these for the next product range and just send out the Hot Fixes to fix bugs?
With 16 months to go before my Orange upgrade it would be good to look forward to some HTC goodies.....but I am in a dream world?

Well I flashed to an Official ROM v1.19 WWE released in Asia.
The ROM feels quicker especially TF3D, more stable, bug fixes, minor software updates etc. No added features though but XDA will give you all the goodies.
Fantastic community!
HTC should be contributing some of their funds to XDA as it provides the best customer service.

I really wish HTC would issue some more official ROMs with all the software updates, rather than a few untidy patches.

I think HTC shoul extract Touch Flow a little from the hardware and giv all the new version to older phones, too.
It is a SMARTPHONE and has the ability to get enhanced.
Like apple does with the iPhone

New HERO device - Why?

Why doesn't HTC make the Android OS available for the Blackstone? They just released the HTC Hero (very cool video as well) here:
http://www.htc.com/europe/product/hero/gallery.html
and the hardware specs are almost identical as the Blackstone -
HTC should make the ROMs available without direct support and let the XDA community keep it going (for those who want away from WinMobile)
I LOVE my Blackstone (especially with Dutty's ROM) but would prefer an Android based device if possible.
Maybe we should petition HTC to let Android loose for the Blackstone device (at least have access to the Hero ROM for porting)
What do you think??
Thx,
R.Fox

rfox said:
Why doesn't HTC make the Android OS available for the Blackstone? They just released the HTC Hero (very cool video as well) here:
http://www.htc.com/europe/product/hero/gallery.html
and the hardware specs are almost identical as the Blackstone -
HTC should make the ROMs available without direct support and let the XDA community keep it going (for those who want away from WinMobile)
I LOVE my Blackstone (especially with Dutty's ROM) but would prefer an Android based device if possible.
Maybe we should petition HTC to let Android loose for the Blackstone device (at least have access to the Hero ROM for porting)
What do you think??
Thx,
R.Fox
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I don't think a petition would make much difference, people will still go out and buy HTC devices, so why should they change?
Also, HTC are aware of sites like XDA and know it would only be a while before a version compatible for the HD was created....so why should they do it?
I'm with you though. I wish the support HTC provided for existing customers equalled Apples who offer free upgrades etc

Android on Touch HD
If the specs of the HD and Hero are so similar, then surely it is possible just to port the OS over, as is? It is Open Source after all. It doesn't need HTC's permission for us to put it there. And as for support, surely the Android community in partnership with XDA-D would be enough?

porting a rom from a device with 3 times as small native res would be some feat

Hello,
first of all, I am new here and must say - really great work here!
Touch HD vs. Hero:
OK the specifications are almost the same, almost! Hero has multitouch, this is a step against Touch HD! Touch HD has the better resolution, if I am not wrong.
Windows against Android (inc. Sens): If I look on the new Hero product tour on htc - great - I want quite clearly Android! However, I am confident that this will be available on Touch HD... sooner or later, official or unofficial!

Android
Rudegar said:
porting a rom from a device with 3 times as small native res would be some feat
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Ah yes, forgot that difference!

Fallen Spartan said:
I don't think a petition would make much difference, people will still go out and buy HTC devices, so why should they change?
Also, HTC are aware of sites like XDA and know it would only be a while before a version compatible for the HD was created....so why should they do it?
I'm with you though. I wish the support HTC provided for existing customers equalled Apples who offer free upgrades etc
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Unfortunately there is a slight flaw with that. The new device creation along with inherent new OS and/or Software allows companies to diversify their wares to a much larger extent than Apple. Whilst Apple, as I agree, manage to keep their users up to date with the latest and greatest they produce, the breadth of what they produce is sadly lacking.
It's a trade off and as anything comes down to money and a business model.

it's not hard to figure why
its a business and about making money
plain and simple

do you think we will get the new sense with LEAP

was watching a HTC announcement video and spotted the new leap feature (amoungst other things) that is coming on the hero and the desire, do you think this new sense will also come to the HD2 or the HD2 Mini ?
and if it did would it be portable to our devices ?? (please don't pick on me, i am only asking)

Well, our Sense is different from Android Sense. They have different homescreens where they can add widgets. Ours is predefined and (IMO) better laid out. Leap was meant to switch between those homescreens, whereas we can just slide over really quickly!
So, in brief, no.
However, if I may hijack this thread, any chance we'll get friendstream?!

That would be nice to have .... that is one thing I like about the entire Sense for 2.1. I am possible getting a HD2 next week through T-Mobile so I would love to see this in a future Sense update for WM.

Hi,
Well HTC announced that new Sense would be available with new Android devices and would also be available as an update to other Android devices and didn't mention WinMo. Now, as they are selling WinMo products that have an unknown future with Microsoft I'd like to think that HTC will be providing updates, including sense, to keep their WinMo line fresh before Windows Phone 7 becomes available. Alternatively they might drop Sense development on WinMo like a stone as they wont be alowed to sell it on Windows Phone 7 Series anyway (unless they can get away with a Sense Hub). I think that perhaps all HTC's interface imagineers will perhaps be working on Android from now on to be honest. I am not always right tho
Like most things on this forum regarding future developments, I don't know for sure. No one does.

IF! android is ever ported to the htc sorround

please devs if you guys get android ported to the sorround let the screen be unlocked with the button on top directly to home...... many of us are having trouble with the touch screens when we lock it..........AAANNNDDD people please be positive about the porting its the only way it'll give hope to the developers on doing this so if your bringing that negative energy go away

As an HD2 user who is looking into replacements (though none can really be found), I can give some tips on how to try.
First, you need to make a port of the HD2's cLK ROM Loader, an open-source bootloader that can dual-boot WP7 and Android. Cotulla's MAGLDR, the first of them, was no easy task to create, and it's Android booting function has not been replicated on other ports to my knowledge.
Next, you need to find a working kernel that is compatible, perhaps from a similar HTC Android phone. It just happened that HTC made the EVO 4G with the same parts to spite the HD2, but even then the kernel needed years of tuning and driver rewrites to get it to where it is now.
Finally, you need a huge worldwide userbase on XDA that is fully dedicated to making Android on your phone possible. For the HD2, it was a superpowered phone crippled by obselete software, so many devs got it cut rate secondhand and had a big motivation to make their phones usable again. Even so, this took a looong time to get a usable Android build, by then which Android phones were fast surpassing the power of the venerable HD2, sapping the initial benefits.
To the OP, we have an old adage where a mouse tells a group of mice that it would be a good idea to put a bell on the neighborhood cat. The mice agree, but seek advice from the elder mouse. The elder brings up a good point: "A good idea; But who will bell the cat?"
Sent fom my HTC HD2

It's pretty hard to do that because of the hardware compatibility and the structure build of the phone I guess but still I also hope that that day would come.
Sent from my Samsung Galaxy SII GT-9100T