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I know they work hard at Cyanogenmod, and I'm aware that they're not used to to the filesystem used in the Vibrant, so I'm not really surprised that they've come out with an experimental build for G2 before the Vibrant...
but I'm starting to get the feeling as if we'll never see a Cyanogemod for Vibrant...
I didn't switch my Vibrant to a G2 when I was in the grace period because I knew that Froyo would eventually be released here and all would be well in the world. But when I look at top benchmark scores for linpack and they are all G2's across the board, I feel a bit dismayed. I thought that the Vibrant had a faster CPU and that our phone would smoke once we got Froyo. Flashforward to Froyo for Vibrant, getting linpack scores in the 15-17 range w/ lagfix, and G2's are still crushing it.
I really hope Cyanogenmod sees all of us out there whose first android devices were G1's and were loyal cyanogenmod users, but who now own a Vibrant. I love all of the work the devs are doing here, such as Eugene, SomeBionix, Viralblack, Master, etc. But I'd really like to see a cyanogenmod for Vibrant as well.
Have we been abandoned? And will our phones ever be able to reach linpack scores even nearing what a G2 does? If you want to come here and boast about how bad-a** your G2 is, go to the G2 forums. Don't depress me. What I'm hoping for is some honest feedback, info, or concern regarding this issue.
Thanks in advance for your input, fellow XDA members.
Cheers,
~m00n
Well, I doubt there is or was much progress with cm mod for vibrant. and now, I am sure its all dead because as soon as Nexus S is released, all focus will be switched over. the good news is that Nexus S will probably be very similar to current Galaxy S line.......maybe even the same hardware, no one knows yet.
TheDude is working it and I imagine he is getting pretty close.
At this point whats so good about CM? We have more than adequate developers for the Vibrant such as Eugene, Barak,Team Wiskey,Master ect. Ya I used run Cm on my G1 back in the day but are they really gonna make that much of a difference?
I hate that everybody thinks that CM is the salvation for this phone, I disagree. I am currently running Eugene's Odin froyo with Ryan's lag fix and its perfect for me, its fast, has wifi calling and the battery is superb.
Don't get me wrong I know CM has done alot for Android but has done very little for this device and I don't think thats gonna change.
I respect and admire everything the devs have done for us here with their mods, and I am happy with what they've been able to achieve with the Vibrant.
I guess what originally started my concern was after running a linpack, and then seeing the top 10 scores/devices, which all belonged too the G2. My assumption was that the reason for their *much* higher scores had to do with the filesystem, since from what I remember reading, the Vibrant actually has faster hardware.
That being said, I've also read that cyanogenmod builds from the ground up, and that if they did come up with a cyanogenmod for Vibrant, it would hopefully enable us to get comparable benchmark scores to that of the G2.
I know some XDA members post that 'benchmark scores do not mean everything', but I never see them elaborate as to why it doesn't mean everything.
Finally, at the very least, to be considerate to the large number of former cyanogenmod users who now own a Vibrant and are hoping on cyanogenmod for their new device, the devs there should at the least put a post on the main page of their website regarding their progress and plans. Overall, the lack of doing so has given me, at least, the feeling of abandonment.
Will I run out and buy a G2? Hell no. I'm happy with my device and the work done here at XDA. Am I disappointed in Cyanogenmod, though, for their lack of keeping us updated and for releasing a G2 mod first, yes.
Thanks for your input everyone
~m00n
CM has a beta for i9000 already and dont pay attention to benchmarks they are screwed with vibrant only thing that ****s me with this phone is the gps
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Whats CM? Never heard of the guys... Are you talking about Team Whiskey, eugene, jac, kk, Master etc....
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Whats CM? Never heard of the guys... Are you talking about Team Whiskey, eugene, jac, kk, Master etc....
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Ha!!! That's the spirit!
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I respect and admire everything the devs have done for us here with their mods, and I am happy with what they've been able to achieve with the Vibrant.
I guess what originally started my concern was after running a linpack, and then seeing the top 10 scores/devices, which all belonged too the G2. My assumption was that the reason for their *much* higher scores had to do with the filesystem, since from what I remember reading, the Vibrant actually has faster hardware.
That being said, I've also read that cyanogenmod builds from the ground up, and that if they did come up with a cyanogenmod for Vibrant, it would hopefully enable us to get comparable benchmark scores to that of the G2.
I know some XDA members post that 'benchmark scores do not mean everything', but I never see them elaborate as to why it doesn't mean everything.
Finally, at the very least, to be considerate to the large number of former cyanogenmod users who now own a Vibrant and are hoping on cyanogenmod for their new device, the devs there should at the least put a post on the main page of their website regarding their progress and plans. Overall, the lack of doing so has given me, at least, the feeling of abandonment.
Will I run out and buy a G2? Hell no. I'm happy with my device and the work done here at XDA. Am I disappointed in Cyanogenmod, though, for their lack of keeping us updated and for releasing a G2 mod first, yes.
Thanks for your input everyone
~m00n
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The high linpack score you see on G2 and other Snapdragon CPU powered Android devices running Android OS 2.2+ is due to JIT optimization.
JIT is highly optimized for these CPU, mostly due to the fact that the dev device, Nexus One, is a Snapdragon powered.
As soon as JIT gets optimization for Hummingbird you will see the jump in Linpack for our Galaxy S devices - hopefully it will be done sooner than later.
The way I understand why CM development has stalled for Galaxy S is that their code is better suited for HTC devices, look it only has taken them a few weeks before they have released the CM mod for MTG4 after its release, but it has taken them months to release a beta for Galaxy S.
Patience my friend
Guys, CyanogenMod progress hasn't stalled and you haven't been abandoned. We already have a working beta on the i9000 and Captivate. You guys could probably get in on the beta too if one of your devs modifies the i9000 CyanogenMod kernel to work with the Vibrant.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=842159
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=838841
from what i've seen about JIT and hummingbird, 2.2 just isn't optimized for hummingbird chips. and i'm pretty sure google knows this. They had ages to work on snap dragon chips (i think that's the right name) which is why the jump from pre 2.2 to 2.2 brought such huge increases in linpack scores.
Well, in the hummingbird's case, the jump from 2.1 to 2.2 only brought minor increases in linpack scores.
The problems with benchmarks like linpack and quadrant, is they aren't real world representations of what you actually experience. One of the better tests to run is the setCPU native benchmark, as it's unaffected by JIT and other optimizations. it tests your chip's raw power, which does correspond to realworld performance better than linpack or quadrant.
Also, consider quadrant. Vibrant owners have found an exploit in quadrant which gives us insanely inflated filesystem scores. That alone shows you that quadrant really don't mean anything.
Long story short, benchmarks don't mean crap really. as long as you know your hardware is fast, and the hardware shows you that it's more than capable, why does a number mean anything?
Also, google is working on optimizing JIT for hummingbird in 2.3 (especially since they're releasing the nexus S, but not sure if the current galaxy s series will see 2.3 official)
I think alot of people doesn't see the potential of CM. The reason CM is praised as one of the best rom for any android handset is because once the handset gains support, it is pretty much a guarantee that your handset will keep up with the newest android software from Google. This goes way beyond 2.2, for example, just look at the G1, official support stopped at 1.6 but CM put 2.2 on the phone.
Eugene posted this today....
http://twitpic.com/37ob8n
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Eugene posted this today....
http://twitpic.com/37ob8n
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I like that.
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At this point whats so good about CM? We have more than adequate developers for the Vibrant such as Eugene, Barak,Team Wiskey,Master ect. Ya I used run Cm on my G1 back in the day but are they really gonna make that much of a difference?
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The big attraction of CM is that it's built from AOSP, and so modders and end users don't have to deal with ripping crap out of Samsung binary releases. As it stands right now, people have to wait for whatever crap Samsung dishes out, and work backwards fixing Samsung's mistakes; in contrast, an easily buildable AOSP for the Vibrant (which is what CM represents) is a much nicer base platform to work from and build off of.
There are two huge question marks for me regarding CM: RFS and the GPS. My understanding is that the RFS issue is deeper than just a filesystem, we actually require Samsung binary drivers to access the storage at all, whether or not we're using the filesystem. And with GPS, we don't seem to have sources for a later kernel either.
What the lack of source for such key components means for an AOSP-based distribution like CM is, to me at least, unclear.
CyanogenMod is also appealing because it contains TONS of cool tweaks, modifications, and additional settings that aren't available on a plain AOSP ROM, or any other ROM for that matter. You won't fully appreciate these until you get it on your phone and start digging through apps and settings.
CyanogenMod was awesome on my G1 but after getting the vibrant, I've come to enjoy the stock samsung rom (with launcher pro), and think CyanogenMod would be a down grade personally. There might be some speed increase, but the phone is snappy as is, and the TouchWiz flavor of android has some nice features. I haven't used it since Cm6 rc2 so maybe they've added some of the TouchWiz extras.
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Eugene posted this today....
http://twitpic.com/37ob8n
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sweet! Now that made my day!!
Thanks!!!
I appreciate everyone's thoughtful response to my OP. I have a better understanding of the way the benchmark scoring works, difference in processors, and the reason Cyanogenmod is taking longer for the Vibrant than it did for the G2.
Cheers =)
~m00n
Lots of exciting tweets from Eugene, thedudesandroid and barakinflorida... they have it booting, working on bugs.
For every new CM thread an angel loses it's wings, and a mod cries.
I cant help but feel that they are. With projects being abandoned left and right, I feel as if the domino effect is starting to take place. Devs are getting "bored" therefore us end users start jumping ship also. Then more devs leave etc etc. Feels like that process has begun. I, like many have put my phone up on craigslist in hopes of getting something better with a more active community around it. I do not want to sound ungrateful to the dev s that we do have. They have made my phone what I love today. But I can't help but feel like even the remaining ones have lost passion and drive for this phone.
I can't help but feel that the escalating high school drama over the past few weeks due to little or no moderation has been the tipping point for devs to leave and move on. I can only hope that someone high enough puts a plug in the dam before its too late and it all comes crashing down and no amount of money or resources can synthetically create the magic we already have now. Here is hoping.
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I kind of expected this. I love this phone, but if I really have to, I will trade it. I hope that CM7 is finished for the Vibrant, then everything would be fine.
Sent from Vibrant with CM7.
It could seem that way, but lets be real here for a minute.
There are a few devs who decided to stop working on the vibrant. More specifically , decided to stop posting their work here on XDA. Mostly because of the drama that starts in here and the lack of appreciation that is given to them for their "FREE" work.
But, and here's my main point, there are still MANY devs who have never spoken about leaving and are continuing to bring us great mods and roms. We have entire teams of devs like Team Whiskey and Eienharjar Developement Team who still continue to work on great things for our phones. Not to mention people who make mods consistantly. Supercurio, Morphic, etc etc.
It's just a few people who decided it's not fun anymore and are moving on. It doesn't mean the END ALL BE ALL of Vibrant development. I think we should stop dwelling on the drama of a few people who on their own decided to leave and still support those that are STILL here to help us.
Technology moves fast. Newer things come out and some people just get bored fast and get tired of the mudslinging.
Be appreciative to the devs and supporters that are still here, still making things, and still helping us with our questions. Android is an OPEN SOURCE PROJECT. People come... people go. But don't get caught up in the politics of some. Support those that stay. But don't forget those that left a huge impact on Android and this modding community.
I love Android. I love the community, and understand I have to deal with some disrespectful kids/noobs/adults.
Thank you to all who stick around and help us out, and good luck to those who went on to better or more phone projects.
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It could seem that way, but lets be real here for a minute.
There are a few devs who decided to stop working on the vibrant. More specifically , decided to stop posting their work here on XDA. Mostly because of the drama that starts in here and the lack of appreciation that is given to them for their "FREE" work.
But, and here's my main point, there are still MANY devs who have never spoken about leaving and are continuing to bring us great mods and roms. We have entire teams of devs like Team Whiskey and Eienharjar Developement Team who still continue to work on great things for our phones. Not to mention people who make mods consistantly. Supercurio, Morphic, etc etc.
It's just a few people who decided it's not fun anymore and are moving on. It doesn't mean the END ALL BE ALL of Vibrant development. I think we should stop dwelling on the drama of a few people who on their own decided to leave and still support those that are STILL here to help us.
Technology moves fast. Newer things come out and some people just get bored fast and get tired of the mudslinging.
Be appreciative to the devs and supporters that are still here, still making things, and still helping us with our questions. Android is an OPEN SOURCE PROJECT. People come... people go. But don't get caught up in the politics of some. Support those that stay. But don't forget those that left a huge impact on Android and this modding community.
I love Android. I love the community, and understand I have to deal with some disrespectful kids/noobs/adults.
Thank you to all who stick around and help us out, and good luck to those who went on to better or more phone projects.
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Perfect way to put it. Couldn't agree more
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Unless CM7 is near final and it can be used as a stable base, then we will be stuck with the same roms probably as all are based on Samsung's source. The reason the G2 has such large development is due to the large amounts of stable roms, MIUI, CM, and a a stock rom( which we do have).
And with the leaving of Eugene, the Vibrant is basically starting to sink. Those new to these forums may not remember, but he has contributed many stable roms in the past and greatly contributed to the startup on development. We will miss you Eugene!
A galaxy s merger was what I proposed in the previous forums where some international and US developers may contribute to each other's work in a seperate forum dedicated to devs.
don't forget that eugene was the one who made I9000 roms to be perfectly port to vibrant. He said hw will be posting his one final rom in the future.
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don't forget that eugene was the one who made I9000 roms to be perfectly port to vibrant. He said hw will be posting his one final rom in the future.
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Yup. Development may seem to be slowing but lets not forget that we have an whole other i9000 dev forum to choose ROMs from. Especially while they are mostly 2.2.1 ROMs. That'll prolly change (at least for a while) once all the i9000 devs abandon 2.2.1 for gingerbread.
Not every phone will have the lifespan of the g1, hd2, etc... But one can hope lol.
Even the Nexus One development is slowing down with only small updates to previous roms. Guess even their devs are moving.
Lucky me that I have a hd2.
Was considering getting one of those Hd2 for all the development around it but I can't help but feel like it would be a step down.
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Unless CM7 is near final and it can be used as a stable base, then we will be stuck with the same roms probably as all are based on Samsung's source. The reason the G2 has such large development is due to the large amounts of stable roms, MIUI, CM, and a a stock rom( which we do have).
And with the leaving of Eugene, the Vibrant is basically starting to sink. Those new to these forums may not remember, but he has contributed many stable roms in the past and greatly contributed to the startup on development. We will miss you Eugene!
A galaxy s merger was what I proposed in the previous forums where some international and US developers may contribute to each other's work in a seperate forum dedicated to devs.
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I feel like that this is what we are lacking now. Eugene was a master and helped and had a hand in over half the roms on this forum. He was able to solve alot of problems that no one else can/could. I feel like without someone of this caliber spearheading the way, its almost impossible to keep development going strong and not baby steps.
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Well with the Galaxy II coming out, this shouldn't be a surprise....everyone upgrades after some time right?
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Well with the Galaxy II coming out, this shouldn't be a surprise....everyone upgrades after some time right?
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not everyone can, :/ i'm stuck at vibrant for years.
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Not everyone feels the need to upgrade every 6 months to a year, especially when the new dual cores don't provide a huge difference than the hummingbird chip + voodoo in daily use (maybe 3 second gain in web browsing). With android 2.2.1, the galaxy s touchwiz launcher and browser use gpu acceleration, so it will be just as smooth (if you don't believe me use a live wallpaper on the twlauncher, then use it on launcherpro).
However, tegra 2 will set the new standard, so our power sgx 540 will do just fine for the next year (comparable performances).
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Well with the Galaxy II coming out, this shouldn't be a surprise....everyone upgrades after some time right?
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Yes to an extent. There are alot of phones that are years old and still have development. I understand that they probably are not samsung and probably have all of the source code. But to me, it seems that this phone has not even reached the pinnacle of what it can do. Alot of roms (bionix exempt) are still trying to just get everything working a 100%. Having a phone really becomes a ton of fun when the development gets past just making it all work. It's really a shame if this will never be possible because of samsungs code.
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Not everyone feels the need to upgrade every 6 months to a year, especially when the new dual cores don't provide a huge difference than the hummingbird chip + voodoo in daily use (maybe 3 second gain in web browsing). With android 2.2.1, the galaxy s touchwiz launcher and browser use gpu acceleration, so it will be just as smooth (if you don't believe me use a live wallpaper on the twlauncher, then use it on launcherpro).
However, tegra 2 will set the new standard, so our power sgx 540 will do just fine for the next year (comparable performances).
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Being that the vibrant was a high end phone when it was released, it still stands up to alot of the newer phones. To leave this phone behind just because it's getting "old" (less than a year is old for cell phone nowadays = bull****), is stupid.
Maybe devs should spend some time porting the Nexus S APIs so as to provide a good base for future roms.
And in the end, I have to admit that if you want fast updates, go Windows Phone, or IOS if you are really desperate.
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I cant help but feel that they are. With projects being abandoned left and right, I feel as if the domino effect is starting to take place. Devs are getting "bored" therefore us end users start jumping ship also. Then more devs leave etc etc. Feels like that process has begun. I, like many have put my phone up on craigslist in hopes of getting something better with a more active community around it. I do not want to sound ungrateful to the dev s that we do have. They have made my phone what I love today. But I can't help but feel like even the remaining ones have lost passion and drive for this phone.
I can't help but feel that the escalating high school drama over the past few weeks due to little or no moderation has been the tipping point for devs to leave and move on. I can only hope that someone high enough puts a plug in the dam before its too late and it all comes crashing down and no amount of money or resources can synthetically create the magic we already have now. Here is hoping.
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Maybe I'm mistaken, but I've seen us lose basically two significant development projects.
Meanwhile we retain several equivalent kernel devs, multiple ongoing rom development projects, progress on CM7, and a slowly building flood of ports from the i9000 dev community.
Furthermore we're finally to a point where this is less about stamping out annoyances with Samsung's lackluster tuning and poor choices, and more about customization and the tailoring of experiences.
i.e. there's less to be ecstatic about, but only because things are no longer fundamentally broken and because development has matured.
My take is that these are good and evolutionary developments. You also have to remember that developers cater to their own whims as much as ours, and it's entirely normal for them to "move on". This is what happens when a community is dynamic and HEALTHY.
I've been on the net longer than most here have been alive, and trolls will always be trolls. If you're expecting the high school drama and angst to vanish entirely in a constantly churning public forum such as this you have unrealistic expectations.
All is well!
Thats a different way of looking at it master, interesting.
While I somewhat agree with this thread, I'd say give the other devs some time, like maybe a month and see what they come up with, we might get a Gingerbread port or a leak from GS4G. Team Whiskey and EDT will surely come up with something I believe.
Also, I don't understand the craze about HD2, it was a great phone in its time, now if you want ROMS and active dev section, probably better to get Nexus S or wait for Optimus 3D I am sure it'll be sold like hot cakes when it comes out.
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Maybe I'm mistaken, but I've seen us lose basically two significant development projects.
Meanwhile we retain several equivalent kernel devs, multiple ongoing rom development projects, progress on CM7, and a slowly building flood of ports from the i9000 dev community.
Furthermore we're finally to a point where this is less about stamping out annoyances with Samsung's lackluster tuning and poor choices, and more about customization and the tailoring of experiences.
i.e. there's less to be ecstatic about, but only because things are no longer fundamentally broken and because development has matured.
My take is that these are good and evolutionary developments. You also have to remember that developers cater to their own whims as much as ours, and it's entirely normal for them to "move on". This is what happens when a community is dynamic and HEALTHY.
I've been on the net longer than most here have been alive, and trolls will always be trolls. If you're expecting the high school drama and angst to vanish entirely in a constantly churning public forum such as this you have unrealistic expectations.
All is well!
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Hell yeah! Let's hear it for us old farts! I've been on the web since Windows 95. A very scary thought. I actually started with a commodore 64 and it's Gigantic floppy disk drive. When I look back at those days, the worst rom on here is blazing fast and bug free!
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which rom will win the rom war?
Ill wait till acs tackles official gingerbread... should be fantastic given their work. Keep in mind I'm coming from the moment
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*a challenger appears*
Cyanogenmod > all other roms.
Nothing beats AOSP.
Phasma343 said:
*a challenger appears*
Cyanogenmod > all other roms.
Nothing beats AOSP.
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I don't get all the butthurt about cyanigenmod. Is it that we don't have it or does it really cure cancer, aids and hunger all at once like everyone implies? Frankly, I don't sniff up trees where I'm not wanted, which is the message I've always gotten from that team. The whole, "Your phone is too hard to work on." excuse always seemed lame.
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I don't get all the butthurt about cyanigenmod. Is it that we don't have it or does it really cure cancer, aids and hunger all at once like everyone implies? Frankly, I don't sniff up trees where I'm not wanted, which is the message I've always gotten from that team. The whole, "Your phone is too hard to work on." excuse always seemed lame.
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No phone is too hard to work on.
Some "developers" (I use that term very loosely) are just too lazy to accomplish things.
Apples/Oranges
SRF 1.2 is highly customized/optimized, GB is stock.
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I don't get all the butthurt about cyanigenmod. Is it that we don't have it or does it really cure cancer, aids and hunger all at once like everyone implies? Frankly, I don't sniff up trees where I'm not wanted, which is the message I've always gotten from that team. The whole, "Your phone is too hard to work on." excuse always seemed lame.
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it's supposed to cure 'gyne-syphi-herpe-l-aids'... (say it real fast.. it's almost all STDs LOL)..
actually, it's closest thing to a very customizable AOSP experience that can be had.
I also don't buy the whole 'too hard to work on' thing.. I just think there's not enough interest in developing or porting it to our device.. just my opinion.. there's plenty of demand, just not enough development interest. (or development collaboration ??.. i'm out of the loop, so i'm unsure)
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I don't get all the butthurt about cyanigenmod. Is it that we don't have it or does it really cure cancer, aids and hunger all at once like everyone implies? Frankly, I don't sniff up trees where I'm not wanted, which is the message I've always gotten from that team. The whole, "Your phone is too hard to work on." excuse always seemed lame.
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I missed the butt hurt in my post Also I can tell you have never had a phone that has had CM. So you wouldn't know why it is such an awesome thing.
I haven't ever heard one of the CM-Epic devs mention anything about this phone being too hard to get things working with. Only that the minimal source from samsung makes things difficult.
Also you do realize that one of the forum moderators is on that team and does contribute regularly in the dev forum right? I think you have just been very mis-informed about things.
im still feelin srf 1.2, cant wait for 1.3, thdy could get the best of both worlds would be great
Phasma343 said:
*a challenger appears*
Cyanogenmod > all other roms.
Nothing beats AOSP.
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Cyanogenmod is better than all roms??
Please send me the link to their previous works for the Epi...........oh wait.......haaaaa you almost had me!
A friendly jest
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Srf is my favorite, But I haven't used eg22 yet. I was spoiled when I first rooted my phone by acs/srf by konane and a very responsive impaler. I don't feel as much love over there but its still the best rom for the epic. That being said I ready to try eg22.
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I missed the butt hurt in my post Also I can tell you have never had a phone that has had CM. So you wouldn't know why it is such an awesome thing.
I haven't ever heard one of the CM-Epic devs mention anything about this phone being too hard to get things working with. Only that the minimal source from samsung makes things difficult.
Also you do realize that one of the forum moderators is on that team and does contribute regularly in the dev forum right? I think you have just been very mis-informed about things.
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I see people getting upset about EVO source for Gingerbread not being out. There's retweets about open source violations, but yet it was figured out enough to get a successful port. Dev interest is low and I have a right to be annoyed about that. I'm glad a mod is contributing to the project. Trying to rub that in my face for some reason doesn't make them more successful at accomplishing the task. As a mod, has the person drummed up more interest from devs to work on it? One would think that they have it in their power as a mod.
I think SRF is a great Rom and puts a serious challenge to Cyanogenmod in so much as our ACS devs support/work on it to a functional level despite having lost major chefs in the recent past. It also provides a pretty stripped down, fast programming to it. Marcusant has also hinted that it has some pure AOSP in it.
I know source is a problem, but we've heard of them writing from the ground up for others. Our partition can't be so amazingly complex that the right minds couldn't do it. Is it pride that they don't get other mods in on it? Are other devs not interested? If so, these are valid reasons, but all I've ever heard is it's too hard and cannot be done.
Dont the touchpro2 have aosp? Even though its not even an androi device
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Eg22 ftw
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The Root said:
I see people getting upset about EVO source for Gingerbread not being out. There's retweets about open source violations, but yet it was figured out enough to get a successful port. Dev interest is low and I have a right to be annoyed about that. I'm glad a mod is contributing to the project. Trying to rub that in my face for some reason doesn't make them more successful at accomplishing the task. As a mod, has the person drummed up more interest from devs to work on it? One would think that they have it in their power as a mod.
I think SRF is a great Rom and puts a serious challenge to Cyanogenmod in so much as our ACS devs support/work on it to a functional level despite having lost major chefs in the recent past. It also provides a pretty stripped down, fast programming to it. Marcusant has also hinted that it has some pure AOSP in it.
I know source is a problem, but we've heard of them writing from the ground up for others. Our partition can't be so amazingly complex that the right minds couldn't do it. Is it pride that they don't get other mods in on it? Are other devs not interested? If so, these are valid reasons, but all I've ever heard is it's too hard and cannot be done.
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Pretty much exactly how I feel about it as well. Just know its not the popular opinion 'round these parts.
OK, I dont understand the CM hype either, and no, havent used it, ill gladly try it if someone feels like doing it, but I dont think it was in the contract with our phone. I have seen multiple threads of various groups or individuals working on it, a version thrown in the trash (or just forgotten) because it didnt follow the CM guidelines or whatever (these are custom roms, right?)... regardless, most people who have recently worked on it have been waiting for whatever is a final source... froyo and GB are too close together to make it worth the time and effort to build something like that for the notorious level of appreciation for Epic Dev in general... maybe those who still give a crap at this point will do it when theres source and it can be done 'right'... but isnt the first rule of CM is to never talk about CM??? Maybe Devs have been annoyed off the project. I know I wouldnt want the entitled CM fanatics up on my nuts every five minutes... and this is not directed at those posting in favor of it, just overall interest in it since launch of this device. Or maybe the oh so amazingness of every device being the same should remain apples thing.... idunno... one rom to rule them all? Boring. MIUI?
But on topic, apples and oranges, all roms ymmv... kinda silly thread, but im glad the thought police have left the Epic building.
As mentioned, you're comparing a customized Syndicate rom to a stock Gingerbread rom. With different base structures. They can't be compared, although for your purposes I'd likely stick with Syndicate until they or others gain access to official source and pimp out their own Gingerbread.
As far as CyanogenMod, it was half-ported to the Epic some time ago.
Things that do NOT work :
GPS (Hm, I use my GPS a fair amount)
Camera (Well that's inconvenient, this is my most used camera)
Multimedia Messaging (How am I supposed to send all those pictures I can't take?)
Bluetooth In-Call (In an increasing amount of states, this is the only legal way to talk and drive)
WiMax 4G (I ACTUALLY work in a city where I get 4G)
The developers of CM7 have basically stated that they're too lazy to put any effort into this device until 2.3 officially drops. We'll see if they don't say the same things when that actually happens... But they're free people welcome to develop on whatever they want. The point is, there is no CM that compares with anything the Epic's dedicated developers have released.
kwazytazz said:
Dont the touchpro2 have aosp? Even though its not even an androi device
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No. Rhodium phones have a sorta-kinda Android experience that is laggy, crashy, and barely supports the hardware. It's behind even the most experimental of CM builds for Epic, and a pain to get up and running compared to our ability to flash.
It's one of those projects that saw virtually zero progress for over a year, but anyone who called it dead was pounced on by supporters. Weird phenomenon, really. Nobody's ever allowed to call a corpse a corpse.
I've toyed with CM before on other handsets. It's a quality build, but it's definitely overrated. It's not 'the closest thing to pure Android'. Not by a long shot, though its supporters often say stuff like that. It also doesn't always fully support the hardware it gets put on, but does often enough to give it its reputation.
The most important thing to remember is that EVERY ROM will have fans insisting it's the most buttery smooth, quick as a whip Android experience they've ever encountered. So just because it's said about CM doesn't mean it's anything more than the unconditional love of fanboys.
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The Root said:
I see people getting upset about EVO source for Gingerbread not being out. There's retweets about open source violations, but yet it was figured out enough to get a successful port. Dev interest is low and I have a right to be annoyed about that. I'm glad a mod is contributing to the project. Trying to rub that in my face for some reason doesn't make them more successful at accomplishing the task. As a mod, has the person drummed up more interest from devs to work on it? One would think that they have it in their power as a mod.
I think SRF is a great Rom and puts a serious challenge to Cyanogenmod in so much as our ACS devs support/work on it to a functional level despite having lost major chefs in the recent past. It also provides a pretty stripped down, fast programming to it. Marcusant has also hinted that it has some pure AOSP in it.
I know source is a problem, but we've heard of them writing from the ground up for others. Our partition can't be so amazingly complex that the right minds couldn't do it. Is it pride that they don't get other mods in on it? Are other devs not interested? If so, these are valid reasons, but all I've ever heard is it's too hard and cannot be done.
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These people are upset that the source isn't out. They had source from the froyo and eclair builds for their phone along with pretty decently documented RIL patches. None of the samsung phones have well documented RIL patches (well I guess the actual SGS does now)
The EpicCM team has stated that anyone can join the effort. I guess most of the devs in this forum are just ROM cooks though and don't know anything about actual coding. (getting my trollface and flamesuit on for that one)
I think they are really apples to oranges on all sides. SFR is a decent rom (well 1.1.1 is.) And fairly stable, but it still has samsung crap in it throughout all the frameworks etc. I came from a device that never had any bloatware stuff like touchwiz or sense. I think both are junk and get in my way more than help me.
SFR is a nice attempt at getting rid of a good portion of that, but still nowhere near an AOSP or CM build.
Also on that note CM is an actual build. Everything is compiled against the phone libs and not just modified and baked back into the rom. Not exactly a solid comparison, but I felt like trolling this thread a bit. I don't think SFR and stock Gingerbread is a good comparison either for similar reasons.
Other phones didn't have things written from the ground up. Certain files were kanged or already documented. HTC phones were already well documented in actual Android source with the G1. So the RIL was already in place with just minor changes needed. You are very mistaken in this. Infact if you look in the actual source code http://android.git.kernel.org/ you can see the script that is used to kang the files even.
It really has nothing to do with the partitions either. That was easy stuff. Obviously since CM6 and CM7 have both been able to boot. Again it has been the RIL stuff that has been the main obstacle in all of this from what I can tell in the github and following the actual development.
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No. Rhodium phones have a sorta-kinda Android experience that is laggy, crashy, and barely supports the hardware. It's behind even the most experimental of CM builds for Epic, and a pain to get up and running compared to our ability to flash.
It's one of those projects that saw virtually zero progress for over a year, but anyone who called it dead was pounced on by supporters. Weird phenomenon, really. Nobody's ever allowed to call a corpse a corpse.
I've toyed with CM before on other handsets. It's a quality build, but it's definitely overrated. It's not 'the closest thing to pure Android'. Not by a long shot, though its supporters often say stuff like that. It also doesn't always fully support the hardware it gets put on, but does often enough to give it its reputation.
The most important thing to remember is that EVERY ROM will have fans insisting it's the most buttery smooth, quick as a whip Android experience they've ever encountered. So just because it's said about CM doesn't mean it's anything more than the unconditional love of fanboys.
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Can I ask you how you see it as overrated?
It is pretty close to AOSP. It pulls down AOSP code and gets modified a bit from there. Reality is it doesn't drift far from the AOSP code. The changes made are usually additional APK's. I would have to disagree with you on that one. If it doesn't full support the hardware it was on then it wasn't a stable build of CM. CM on my roommates Evo runs phenomenally and all of the hardware works well. The CM implementation of WiMAX is actually faster than HTC's.
You are right. Every ROM will have fans insisting it is the best. But I actually KNOW CM is the best /fanboy style posting
woooo... deep stuff, i see everybody's point
Now this has been asked repeatedly (Just google touchwiz 4 ux) but have we made any progress-no. This thread is a call to ask if any people have heard about a port being assembled, i have by many devs, but there has been no known progress. If anyone knows how to port touchwiz or has started to port touchwiz, could that person please post here. If this post is mis-spoken or unnecessary please delete.
hate to say this being that I love my xoom and after having played with UX I'd love to see it on my tablet but...
we have the wrong tablet atm, dev community is pretty dead. Only one kernel now and one rom.. saddest thing EVER.
There was one kid previously religiously defending the dev community for the xoom saying, why would we need more?!
This kid is clearly, CLEARLY an idiot.
The dev team is pretty good. What holds us back is the lack of sdk. Icecream should change that. Our devs get everything needed for rooters to upgrade withing a day or so of the release, that's not bad. Either way, look at any honeycomb tablet... there aren't many roms or kernels floating around there.
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seven2099 said:
hate to say this being that I love my xoom and after having played with UX I'd love to see it on my tablet but...
we have the wrong tablet atm, dev community is pretty dead. Only one kernel now and one rom.. saddest thing EVER.
There was one kid previously religiously defending the dev community for the xoom saying, why would we need more?!
This kid is clearly, CLEARLY an idiot.
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To make you feel better, roms for other devices are sometimes based on the xoom files from what I can tell and have bugs too.
I'm saving another $600 to buy one of the quad core tabs next year so I'm fine if development doesn't kick off. I thought we would have tons of stuff to flash considering the xoom is the first honeycomb device.
idk if people would like to start a donation to buy some more devs a xoom? We did this in the mt4g forums when the phone was still new to jump start development. I would gladly donate to jump start some more development.
The official update for the 10.1 update is released.
I want touchwiz so bad, it has honeycomb enhancements but heavily integrated into the OS.
Umm... does anyone not understand that nothing like CyanogenMod will be made possible on the Xoom without the Honeycomb source code? The dev teams are not dead... and development has not stopped! But, there is just nowhere else to go from here given the situation due to the lack of the HC SDK.
Duh, there is only one Rom! Currently without the source from HC, the only possible things we can have would be a slightly modified and themed stock Rom experience. The tweaks and tools we all know and love from our phone custom Roms will not be made available until we have the source! And honestly since there is no HC source, I think that porting over something like Touchwiz to the Xoom is also impossible due to the current limitations... meaning it's a part of the OS... no source, no port.
I'm guessing that people don't seem to understand anything about the following terms:
Root, Superuser, ROM, Kernel, ClockworkMod, SDK - I highly suggest that people should really learn these basic and essential terms if they are going to be rooted on any Android device. Learn what they mean, how to make use of them properly, and what makes them special. Then maybe, just maybe... we all might be able to be on the same page. If you don't understand root, chances are that you should probably not be rooted... stick to the factory stock.
I do think that this thread was more than unnecessary. We have established the fact that without the Honeycomb source, nothing major will hit the dev scene as far as entire custom Roms with full tweaks, porting OS's, and such. We established this not long after the Xoom was launched in February. Google announced that they will be holding onto the HC source until further notice. It's been way old news for that long... wow! Why these types of threads keep poping up is puzzling... or maybe alarming... not sure which one.
diablo2224: So you are saying that only Xoom HC source code is missing?
Touchwiz UX has been ported to Iconia A500 (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1143368) so i don't think that missing HC source code is the problem.
EDIT: A quick search showed that it has been ported to Transformer also http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KGz-51qUH90
diablo2224 said:
Umm... does anyone not understand that nothing like CyanogenMod will be made possible on the Xoom without the Honeycomb source code? The dev teams are not dead... and development has not stopped! But, there is just nowhere else to go from here given the situation due to the lack of the HC SDK.
Duh, there is only one Rom! Currently without the source from HC, the only possible things we can have would be a slightly modified and themed stock Rom experience. The tweaks and tools we all know and love from our phone custom Roms will not be made available until we have the source! And honestly since there is no HC source, I think that porting over something like Touchwiz to the Xoom is also impossible due to the current limitations... meaning it's a part of the OS... no source, no port.
I'm guessing that people don't seem to understand anything about the following terms:
Root, Superuser, ROM, Kernel, ClockworkMod, SDK - I highly suggest that people should really learn these basic and essential terms if they are going to be rooted on any Android device. Learn what they mean, how to make use of them properly, and what makes them special. Then maybe, just maybe... we all might be able to be on the same page. If you don't understand root, chances are that you should probably not be rooted... stick to the factory stock.
I do think that this thread was more than unnecessary. We have established the fact that without the Honeycomb source, nothing major will hit the dev scene as far as entire custom Roms with full tweaks, porting OS's, and such. We established this not long after the Xoom was launched in February. Google announced that they will be holding onto the HC source until further notice. It's been way old news for that long... wow! Why these types of threads keep poping up is puzzling... or maybe alarming... not sure which one.
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We all know that but it isn't preventing touch wiz from being ported to other honeycomb tablets without the source you say.
Nor do we have "Added PS3 support & alot USB HID devices", I would give anything for my PS3 to see the xoom.
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diablo2224: So you are saying that only Xoom HC source code is missing?
Touchwiz UX has been ported to Iconia A500 (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1143368) so i don't think that missing HC source code is the problem.
EDIT: A quick search showed that it has been ported to Transformer also http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KGz-51qUH90
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And this is exactly what I'm talking about... other tabs are way better off.. I came from an Iconia thinking it would be better to be on a Xoom...
Who cares if those ROMs have some bugs.. our roms have bugs too... and all of them get resolved in time.. but when other tablets have way more going for them than the official dev tab, it makes you wonder why this dev community is dead.
The OP is saying that the Xoom is dead and that it has nothing to live for. He also is hinting that the dev teams suck and are not doing anything for the Xoom. Well, to make any progress above and beyond a stock Rom experience you MUST have the source! How can you say the dev teams are dead? They most certainly are not! Again, yes there is only one Rom for a reason... how much more can you possibly do to a stock Rom? Thus, you only need one great team in charge of that. Team Tiamat. That's all you need.
Maybe it can be possible to port TouchWiz over to the Xoom, but listen to this:
The Xoom is meant to be a Google stock experience! If you want this so badly, please go buy a Galaxy Tab and use that. I have no problem with TouchWiz. I love all Android devices. The Galaxy Tab 10.1 is tight, and TouchWiz is also tight. I just prefer the Xoom over the other Honeycomb tablets because the devs cook up some awesome stuff since it's the official developers tablet of choice. Plus, I enjoy a full Google experience.
But, honestly here are your options:
Get a Galaxy 10.1 and quit your complaining, or wait for the source to be released when ICS launches. Then you can wait for the dev teams to create some awesome entire complete custom Roms that will probably have custom TouchWiz Roms ported over to all ICS devices. Until then, use the Team Tiamat Rom and theme it up with the TouchWiz theme like I have done with my Xoom. It can be found here: [Theme]TouchWiz for Tiamat 2.1
I am kind of the opposite. Every Android I have owned I couldn't wait for the Devs to strip Sense, Motoblur, etc.
Sully9663 said:
I am kind of the opposite. Every Android I have owned I couldn't wait for the Devs to strip Sense, Motoblur, etc.
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Agreed!
By removing them we can make way for the dev teams to cook up a wonderful list of alternatives with all the tweaks that we desire. The full Google experience is the way to go! With this you can pick and choose what type of setup you want because it is stock vanilla.
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I am kind of the opposite. Every Android I have owned I couldn't wait for the Devs to strip Sense, Motoblur, etc.
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It is pretty funny, 75% of the people that have bloat don't want it. 75% of the people that can't have it want it. I love stock android. I love having a ton of free resources when i start my device. I love having no bloat.
Tiamat and his team are due much respect. After all he released 3.2 for the 3g way ahead of Moto to count just some of what he has done. All with out "source".
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Tiamat and his team are due much respect. After all he release 3.2 for the 3g way ahead of Moto to count just some of what he has done. All with out "source".
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That is impressive that they were able to do this without the HC source. I'm not sure what they did, but it was awesome! It was something that was possible without the source obviously, but some things are not possible without it. Team Tiamat is the boss. The OP must not have a brain to say that the dev teams are stupid and are not making any progress on Honeycomb and the Xoom.
Diablo has a point though as the transformer has an open source code
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craby1925 said:
Diablo has a point though as the transformer has an open source code
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Thank you!
I'm not trying to be mean or anything, it's just hard to explain certain things, and I wish that some things were easy to explain so that we all know about it. Sorry if I came off a little harsh before. I'm a nice helpful guy who tries to explain things in full detail to get the point across. Hope you understand.
diablo2224 said:
The Xoom is meant to be a Google stock experience! If you want this so badly, please go buy a Galaxy Tab and use that. I have no problem with TouchWiz. I love all Android devices. The Galaxy Tab 10.1 is tight, and TouchWiz is also tight. I just prefer the Xoom over the other Honeycomb tablets because the devs cook up some awesome stuff since it's the official developers tablet of choice. Plus, I enjoy a full Google experience.
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I agree but you shouldnt tell people if they want touchwiz to basically jump ship. like for me half of the fun with android is flashing new roms. like on my phone i have a new rom every few days. and sure i would love to try out touchwiz on my xoom but i still love my xoom and wouldnt switch for a galaxy tab
Can i touch your wiz
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But the question is, what do you think the chances of a port for the i9000 are?
I don't know too much when it comes to the really technical side of things, but i assume there's no real reason that the Galaxy S couldn't run the OS, now that it's open source... is there?
Would you want to use Web OS on your phone?
It certainly is gorgeous, and fun to play with, if nothing else.
DISCUSS!
Since cm7 and other aosp builds work so poorly with the I9000, I wouldn't hold my breath. Don't think for a minute though that someone won't try.
Might be fun to play around with on a weekend.
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WebOS is useless, but it still could be fun. Nobody will work on it, however - too much work for a dead OS.
hansonator said:
Since cm7 and other aosp builds work so poorly with the I9000, I wouldn't hold my breath. Don't think for a minute though that someone won't try.
Might be fun to play around with on a weekend.
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They don't work poorly, cm7 is beautiful.
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THE WEB could be a good OS, but only for tablets, I'm sorry that the HP has discontinued it. For mobile phones do not believe anyone would spend time on it.
hansonator said:
Since cm7 and other aosp builds work so poorly with the I9000, I wouldn't hold my breath. Don't think for a minute though that someone won't try.
Might be fun to play around with on a weekend.
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I don't know where you got that information that cm7 and other ports with cm7 base are poorly working on i9000, because they work actually much better than samsung roms... -.- And that is fact, hands down.
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Unrealwolf said:
WebOS is useless, but it still could be fun. Nobody will work on it, however - too much work for a dead OS.
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I don't think so. I had the Palm Pre 1 and still have the Pre 3. They're great and easy to use. WebOs has so much potential, it shouldn't be given up that easy. It's so innovative and full of interesting functions, I would love to see a port to the SGS!!
Some of it's benefits:
really fast!!
easy to use
a great solution for "multitasking" (some say it's a useless gimmick, but they should take a look how other OS's solved this problem (!...))
Opensource
To compare how good the software architecture of WebOs is, take a look at the Moto Droid (Milestone 1) and the Palm Pre. While the Droid is very laggy on Eclaire or even Froyo, the Palm Pre, with the same processor as the Droid, runs very very fast and smooth. Even with WebOs 2.1, which isn't really released for the Pre. There's a port of WebOs 2.1 for the Pre and even then it's still so smooth and fast. Flash contents on websites are running very fast, but when I take a look at my Droid using flash contents on websites...I'm able to count the frames...
I still belive in WebOs, because it'S, in my opinion, a great OS!!
I would flash WebOS onto my device, even when i cannot go back to Android.
Devs, go for it
Sounds great
I would flash it , but android ics is really good!
maybe because the designer of webOS has worked on designing ICS
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I had a Palm Pre for a while after my Desire died. I would not use it again, WebOS has quite a good homebrew community but Android offers thousands of apps more and is more intuitive in my opinion.
Is this topic still alive, will someone work to port Webos to Galaxy S i9000.
I have used webos and now I moved to android after my webos died.
I personally perfer webos over android, could someone let me know the status of this topic.
Here is a nice article about the subject :
http://www.zdnet.com/blog/mobile-news/hp-webos-open-source-begins-8212-what-next/6588
actually its a smart step from Hp to go Open source better than killing the WebOS , they think if WebOs given the amount to attention as the android having now the WebOS tablet may superpass Android tablet and maybe IOS tablet too !!
let's hope for the best
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they think if WebOs given the amount to attention as the android having now the WebOS tablet may superpass Android tablet and maybe IOS tablet too !!
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What world are you living in? Who are "they"?
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I reckon we have about as much chance as getting a B2G port. That is, near zero.
Anybody able & interested in starting a port for our i9000?