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Windows PC /BT PAN/ to Android. Is this possible?

Hello, and thanks for such a wonderful resource as this site is.
I've had my Sprint touch for over a year and hated all the quirks the stock winmo 6.1 had with it.
My question is: Is it possible to set up a Bluetooth Connection on a windows PC, and have it share the internet connection of the PC with Android? I remember being able to do it with my Zodiac years ago, but don't know if it would apply to Android.
I have no data plan on my phone, so I can't download the camera fix, or any applications. This is the only thing that's keeping me from wiping windows from NAND.
Thank you for reading, and your insight.

Afaik, no.

SofortigerTod said:
Hello, and thanks for such a wonderful resource as this site is.
I've had my Sprint touch for over a year and hated all the quirks the stock winmo 6.1 had with it.
My question is: Is it possible to set up a Bluetooth Connection on a windows PC, and have it share the internet connection of the PC with Android? I remember being able to do it with my Zodiac years ago, but don't know if it would apply to Android.
I have no data plan on my phone, so I can't download the camera fix, or any applications. This is the only thing that's keeping me from wiping windows from NAND.
Thank you for reading, and your insight.
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With Linux, yes, with XP, maybe, with Vista / 7 probably not. But you can't get to the market on your phone via BT pan, I've tried.

May I ask how you managed to do it with Linux? I'm running Ubuntu atm, but I haven't made the switch because of this reason as well. You are still able to browse the web using the browser, yes?

manifest3r said:
May I ask how you managed to do it with Linux? I'm running Ubuntu atm, but I haven't made the switch because of this reason as well. You are still able to browse the web using the browser, yes?
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I'm happy to post it, but only some things work. Android executes some kind of connection check before letting you access most things... so, for example, over bt pan I can launch the youtube app, it will load the homepage including the thumbnails, but you can't load the actual videos. Market won't download. Google maps, however, works beautifully. I can't remember whether the browser worked or not.
EDIT: I'll have to post after I get home, it'll be a few hours. Also - I'm sure someone with come brains could make the necessary changes to make the bt connection pass the connection check. But I, sadly, have no brains. Call me the scarecrow.
Edit 2 - Ok, I must have had this going on cupcake under the old rootfs setup, because I'm having trouble with donut / noroootfs. I'll roll my test phone back tomorrow and get the pan stuff posted.

thanks for the speedy answer, i'm getting Warm Donut right now, and i'll see how it goes

[HOW TO] Transfer your CoPilot from WinMo -> Android

***Update 3*** 09th August 2011
ALK have restored the CP8 download. Link here - thanks to Antus.
***Update 2*** 06th June 2011
It would seem with the introduction of CoPilot 9, a number of changes have occurred to their web site. As such, the old free APK update for CP8 has been removed from their system and can no longer be downloaded. It's still legit to own as it requires activation, so if someone could host the file contact me and I'll add the link, otherwise, this thread is effectively invalid. Sadly I no longer have the APK in question, because I just invested in CP9.
***Update*** 15th August 2010
This isn't specifically for the HD2. In fact this works for any device! WinMo -> Android OR Android -> WinMo.
Since those geniuses Coutlla/Dan fixed GPS for the HD2 Android, I thought for those of you who have purchased Co-Pilot and wish to transfer it over to Android, I'd make a small guide.
Requirements:
- A *LEGAL* copy of CoPilot 8 for Windows Mobile and the license key
- The latest version of CoPilot 8 for Android (works in Froyo now): LINK RESTORED
I bought it about 8 months ago for my HD2, for Windows Mobile 6.5. Great piece of software. I contacted ALK to ask if I could transfer between OS's and they said no, it wouldn't work! It also clearly states on their web site that transfers don't work: LINK RESTORED
So being stubborn, I thought I'd take my own license from WinMo and deactivate it, stick it into Android and needless to say - it works and I have a fully legal copy of CoPilot 8 running on my Android Froyo device. Those cheeky beggers at ALK!!!
So how to get it working:
Make sure you still have CoPilot installed under Windows Mobile and activated;
Launch CoPilot. Go to the Menu|Settings|Licensing (NOTE: If you can't see this, find "More Settings" and select that first to show Licensing);
Select your Map Region from the list (Mine was UK and Ireland), then press "Deactivate";
CoPilot will now shut down;
Boot into Android and using an installer, install the APK file which is in the requirements section at the top of the page or here (LINK RESTORED);
Open CoPilot from the Menu and it will ask for your license info. Enter this as you did when you first bought CoPilot (usually a username and password);
Bada Bing. That should be it, all working!
Just to clarify one further time, this is only for legally purchased licenses. No questions about dodgy software please. Thank you.

Very interesting, thanks !
How about Map data ? where do u put it on the card ?

myjupiler said:
Very interesting, thanks !
How about Map data ? where do u put it on the card ?
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It should be on the root of your SD Card in a folder "CoPilot".

I wonder if the text to speech feature will also work.... using the current key.

Thanks, thought that would work, and now I know it will! I'll be setting it up as well.
That was the only reason I would need to go back to WM. I use CP8 all the time!
Hero!

busterdan said:
I wonder if the text to speech feature will also work.... using the current key.
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It has TTS built in!!! Don't even need to buy it! My traffic key worked also!

noellenchris said:
Thanks, thought that would work, and now I know it will! I'll be setting it up as well.
That was the only reason I would need to go back to WM. I use CP8 all the time!
Hero!
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Haha, my motivation for switching was the same. It's better in Android IMO. For example you use the Android keyboard so it's qwerty and accepts voice input. It also has controllable volume over bluetooth For me I always listen to Music via bluetooth and in WinMo there was no control over individual volumes. If I had the volume at a normal level for music, the speech was far too loud. Now it's all controllable

jonboyuk said:
Haha, my motivation for switching was the same. It's better in Android IMO. For example you use the Android keyboard so it's qwerty and accepts voice input. It also has controllable volume over bluetooth For me I always listen to Music via bluetooth and in WinMo there was no control over individual volumes. If I had the volume at a normal level for music, the speech was far too loud. Now it's all controllable
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Man I hated that Copilot non qwerty! Wow, speech too! Neat, just need to download the cp8 app for android now...

@OP (and everyone else)
Would anyone mind if I wrote this up on the front page, as it's great news. Anyone foresee any issues if this becomes 'publicised'? If so, I will hold off.

mic_888 said:
@OP (and everyone else)
Would anyone mind if I wrote this up on the front page, as it's great news. Anyone foresee any issues if this becomes 'publicised'? If so, I will hold off.
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My only concern would be that Copilot ALK may not want us to transfer. But I do think that other HD2 owners or anyone coming from WM should be, and would be, happy to transfer/use CP8 that they paid for on Android.
So I guess ...go for it. I'm switching ASAP just in case...hehe.

Ok, cool thanks. Just thought I'd quickly check - I had the same thoughts as you (noellenchris). I've written up a short article on this, so it should get published sometime tonight/tomorrow (GMT).
If there any strong objections let me know

All working, the only thing I should have done was deactivate Premium Live Services first in WM.... before the UK/IRELAND maps.... not really a big problem as the live services are a waste of time anyway.
To be honest, comparing Copilot to the free Google Navigation app I think Copilot will be dead and buried within a year.

what about tomtom navigator?

deactivation in android?
jonboyuk said:
Since those geniuses Coutlla/Dan fixed GPS for the HD2 Android, I thought for those of you who have purchased Co-Pilot and wish to transfer it over to Android, I'd make a small guide.
Requirements:
- A *LEGAL* copy of CoPilot 8 for Windows Mobile and the license key
- The latest version of CoPilot 8 for Android (works in Froyo now) Link to ALK Web Site
I bought it about 8 months ago for my HD2, for Windows Mobile 6.5. Great piece of software. I contacted ALK to ask if I could transfer between OS's and they said no, it wouldn't work! It also clearly states on their web site that transfers don't work:
Link
So being stubborn, I thought I'd take my own license from WinMo and deactivate it, stick it into Android and needless to say - it works and I have a fully legal copy of CoPilot 8 running on my Android Froyo device. Those cheeky beggers at ALK!!!
So how to get it working:
Make sure you still have CoPilot installed under Windows Mobile and activated;
Launch CoPilot. Go to the Menu|Settings|Licensing (NOTE: If you can't see this, find "More Settings" and select that first to show Licensing);
Select your Map Region from the list (Mine was UK and Ireland), then press "Deactivate";
CoPilot will now shut down;
Boot into Android and using an installer, install the APK file which is in the requirements section at the top of the page or here;
Open CoPilot from the Menu and it will ask for your license info. Enter this as you did when you first bought CoPilot (usually a username and password);
Bada Bing. That should be it, all working!
Just to clarify one further time, this is only for legally purchased licenses. No questions about dodgy software please. Thank you.
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I have done this before to transfer between winmo devices and it works a treat. Do you know if you can do the reverse of this and deactivate it in Android and then reactivate it back in winmo? Be useful to know before I get locked in to android.

mic_888 said:
Ok, cool thanks. Just thought I'd quickly check - I had the same thoughts as you (noellenchris). I've written up a short article on this, so it should get published sometime tonight/tomorrow (GMT).
If there any strong objections let me know
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Quite frankly - I'm flattered, and yes of course you can post it.

chrisnash said:
I have done this before to transfer between winmo devices and it works a treat. Do you know if you can do the reverse of this and deactivate it in Android and then reactivate it back in winmo? Be useful to know before I get locked in to android.
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Yes it is 100% reversible. ALK can't be bothered with all the enquires I think and I truly believe it's a good way for them to make a quick extra money! As a user who paid for it once, I refuse to pay again. Take Photoshop for example, if you buy it for a mac, you can use the same license on a PC and vice versa.
Enjoy!

jasmo1984 said:
what about tomtom navigator?
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AFAIK, there is no TomTom for Android. Quite frankly they are so behind with their mobile software, it's just not worth using anyway.

Hope ALK is planning on integrating the contacts in CP8.... Other than that, it works great.

Anyone know if it will be possible to deactivate my WM version when I don't own my old windows phone any more?

Paradasos said:
Anyone know if it will be possible to deactivate my WM version when I don't own my old windows phone any more?
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Yes you can, but you have to contact them via email or their web site. Just explain and ask them to release your license. I've done it on numerous occasions.
Sent from my HTC Desire using XDA App & HD2

[Q] Old 6.5 apps to WP7 is it possible

I've just bought another HTC HD2 had the power supply on the old one packed up and I can only charge the batteries ( I have 4 now) out of the phone, I've previously installed the Energy Rom and it was working brilliantly with its 16 gig microSd card and Tomtom installed.
My question is, there are links here to HOW TO INSTALL WP7 to HTC HD2, even I can follow them BUT, can I use my old apps "6.5" in the new WP7 OS, I'm not sure if its worth changing to WP7 if the old apps wont work like Skype and such.
Thanks in advance.
Rikki.

No, it's bit like asking if you can run iPhone apps on WM6.5 - just can't be done unfortunately.

Thx alot....
I was hoping that some apps were backwardly compatible, but I guess not.
Thanks again, I might play around on the phone thats being returned, it wont matter if I brick it lol.

Sadly not. There are some that have been recreated for WP7 but there is such a disparity in the underlying software architectures that porting just ain't gonna happen...unless someone writes an emulator.
But half of the fun of WP7 is playing with the new apps, some of which are quite sexy and a big step on from WM6.5.

^Maybe but i dont have igo primo for wp7? anyway is there any app for wp7 like igo ?

things are moving fast,every thing is possible but as mentioned above WP7 is made to be the new face for Microsoft and the past is past.
as for emulator, it could be the right answer.
but i don't think it would be for the HD2 and HD7 in their current hardware versions.

metko said:
^Maybe but i dont have igo primo for wp7? anyway is there any app for wp7 like igo ?
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If you live in Europe then you can try Navigon Select. Pretty basic but does the job quite well and has the same map source as iGo
For the USA there is a free sat nav software in the Marketplace called A-to-B. This app has european maps (at least for my country quite good ones!), but turn by turn is US only for the moment. European voice guidance is coming soon.

I recall reading that WP7 is based on Windows CE 6.0 (R2, I think). I've also read of GPS devices with CE6 that run some CE5.x apps (after unlocking). In fact, no CE version has ever broken compatibility with previous versions. What usually gets in the way is the layer on top of CE: Windows Mobile before and WP7 now. With WM, problems attempting to run an app in a different version than it was designed for are usually due to 1) version checks during installation failing, 2) version checks at runtime failing, and 3) missing DLLs. I have a lot of experience with overcoming all three in order to get WM apps running on plain CE devices (like GPS devices), so, once I install WP7 on my HD2, I'll see what I can do. Microsoft has made a lot of changes to WP7 to cripple the underlying OS (ex. CE6 supports multitasking), so they may have removed or implemented something that I'm not aware of to lock the phone down and purposely break compatibility (afterall, if WM apps can be made to run, it'd undo what they're trying to accomplish, security-wise), but I'll give it a shot.

there is nothing to stop us having 6.5 apps run on here, both software and hardware are compatible BUT WP7 doesnt use the same set of APIs, so WM6.5 programs would need to be reprogramed (mostly around the UI and hardware interface) to work, of course if they were going to do that then they may as well just write a native program.
This also would mean your phone would need to be unlocked, soooo unless someone developes an emulation layer as a go between you'll not get them working im afraid.

[Q] MMS Not working... Setup APN manually

Hey guys, got WP7 on my HD2 today and I was reading that you had to manually set your APN to gain 3G. I set mine up (epc.tmobile.com for TMOUS) and I have 3G, yet MMS still wont work! Have searched and searched and it seems some people's just works randomly. Halp!

try download from the market in the HTC section the connection setup... and let it configure the phone for tmobile... I don't know if it will fix the problem but theres no harm in trying

dont you have to go through that long fix to use the market....? right now i cant do that because the SDK tools wont install. says there is an issue installing .net framework 4 something or other.... :/ looks like im going back to stock 6.5 and android for now

d16soda said:
dont you have to go through that long fix to use the market....? right now i cant do that because the SDK tools wont install. says there is an issue installing .net framework 4 something or other.... :/ looks like im going back to stock 6.5 and android for now
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If you cant side load the connection setup since you dont have the dev tools installed and don't have it activated with Live... No other way..
Normally it would work with the APN set correctly since theres no other options like mms ip and so on... Enjoy Android.. Lets see if in the future this issue gets fixed

Well... I guess my heart is set that I am so in love with WP7, I am going to keep trying. My issue was the .NET framework. When I try to install the SDK it says that the .NET Framework 4 blah blah couldn't install. Mind you I manually installed the .NF4 beforehand, uninstalling and reinstalling now, will report back. Until then, anyone had this problem then fixed it?

d16soda said:
Well... I guess my heart is set that I am so in love with WP7, I am going to keep trying. My issue was the .NET framework. When I try to install the SDK it says that the .NET Framework 4 blah blah couldn't install. Mind you I manually installed the .NF4 beforehand, uninstalling and reinstalling now, will report back. Until then, anyone had this problem then fixed it?
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when I installed the tools I didnt have .NF4 installed.. and during the web install it installed already
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hakuchi18v said:
when I installed the tools I didnt have .NF4 installed.. and during the web install it installed already
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Web install? I had to download a special .zip file containing the dev tools for XP SP3 that i found here on the forums. What OS are you running? I think XP is kind of different... :/

d16soda said:
Web install? I had to download a special .zip file containing the dev tools for XP SP3 that i found here on the forums. What OS are you running? I think XP is kind of different... :/
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oo.. yea XP does have issues with that... Im on W7.. you can aways upgrade get the bonus of a new os if your pc meets the min req
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hakuchi18v said:
oo.. yea XP does have issues with that... Im on W7.. you can aways upgrade get the bonus of a new os if your pc meets the min req
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LOL. Got rid of my gaming rig... making dude with an AMD XP 2600+ 1GB Ram, and a GeForce 6800GS. get the job done, but would crumble on W7. I finally got past that point and installed the SDK. Now Zune effed up... reinstalling hoping to fix.

Hope everything ends up working for you... Aslong as Zune loads up and connects to the phone .. All you got to do is go into the market or Music while plugged in and sideloading should work
Hey i got W7 running on an Old Gateway with AMD Athlon 1400 1G Ram and Radeon 9550.. Aero and all runs fine.. Have it stored away just incase

hakuchi18v said:
Hope everything ends up working for you... Aslong as Zune loads up and connects to the phone .. All you got to do is go into the market or Music while plugged in and sideloading should work
Hey i got W7 running on an Old Gateway with AMD Athlon 1400 1G Ram and Radeon 9550.. Aero and all runs fine.. Have it stored away just incase
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Really? How does W7 run on that PC?
Now back on topic.... lol. So, I got Zune to load and my device connects correctly. Now chevron isn't working and apparently there is a 1% chance of anyone getting it to work on XP. Yet, I was just informed that most roms come pre-unlocked so I wont need chevron!
Now that my device is hooked up, how do I sideload? I have the connection setup ready to go.

d16soda said:
Really? How does W7 run on that PC?
Now back on topic.... lol. So, I got Zune to load and my device connects correctly. Now chevron isn't working and apparently there is a 1% chance of anyone getting it to work on XP. Yet, I was just informed that most roms come pre-unlocked so I wont need chevron!
Now that my device is hooked up, how do I sideload? I have the connection setup ready to go.
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If the ROM you have says it comes activated and unlocked with the registry changes already cooked then all you have to do is load up Zune and connect the phone.. then on the phone go to Music & Videos or the Market so the Sync Complete Screen comes up then just use TOM XAP installer or a hacked version of the Developer Application Deployment Program to sideload and .xap you want (connection setup)....
Off topic.. I just started up the setup DVD and it installed W7 on it and right from the start everything except the Audio worked and an update fixed it

hakuchi18v said:
If the ROM you have says it comes activated and unlocked with the registry changes already cooked then all you have to do is load up Zune and connect the phone.. then on the phone go to Music & Videos or the Market so the Sync Complete Screen comes up then just use TOM XAP installer or a hacked version of the Developer Application Deployment Program to sideload and .xap you want (connection setup)....
Off topic.. I just started up the setup DVD and it installed W7 on it and right from the start everything except the Audio worked and an update fixed it
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What cooked rom are you using? I'd like a preunlocked one... probably make things easier.

had the same issues with t-mobile uk. downloaded the htc conntection wizard and ran that and it worked fine. also try sending a picture message, as sometimes that seems to fix the issue (i had to do this on android).
as for the chevron hacks etc, you are better off using a pre-unlocked rom. look in the wp7 development section of this forum and u will find most roms will cook it in. if u have that then your next challenge will be the windows live id for marketplace access. US have chat support for windows phone 7, but in the UK i had to phone them and just got given a code
your PC will run windows 7 fine, windows 7 needs less resources than vista, i have some very old PCs running windows 7 and they run fine, the only issues i have come across is aero not working, which i can live without.
you may find that it is a worthwhile upgrade, as not only with the wp7 dev tools be much easier to install/use on windows 7, but any updates to them are most likely to only be available to windows 7, plus XP is in extended support, meaning that updates will only be rolled out if they are critical, and most newer software will carry the designed for windows 7 logo.

matthewharmon102 said:
had the same issues with t-mobile uk. downloaded the htc conntection wizard and ran that and it worked fine. also try sending a picture message, as sometimes that seems to fix the issue (i had to do this on android).
as for the chevron hacks etc, you are better off using a pre-unlocked rom. look in the wp7 development section of this forum and u will find most roms will cook it in. if u have that then your next challenge will be the windows live id for marketplace access. US have chat support for windows phone 7, but in the UK i had to phone them and just got given a code
your PC will run windows 7 fine, windows 7 needs less resources than vista, i have some very old PCs running windows 7 and they run fine, the only issues i have come across is aero not working, which i can live without.
you may find that it is a worthwhile upgrade, as not only with the wp7 dev tools be much easier to install/use on windows 7, but any updates to them are most likely to only be available to windows 7, plus XP is in extended support, meaning that updates will only be rolled out if they are critical, and most newer software will carry the designed for windows 7 logo.
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agreed. waiting for my hard disks to partition and installing windows 7.
I flashed a WP7 rom on my phone that is pre-unlocked, but I am still unsure how to side-load this connection setup. Phone connected and recognized by zuneeeee. What next?

d16soda said:
agreed. waiting for my hard disks to partition and installing windows 7.
I flashed a WP7 rom on my phone that is pre-unlocked, but I am still unsure how to side-load this connection setup. Phone connected and recognized by zuneeeee. What next?
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Glad to hear everything started to work out...
This is how i sideload apps
Once Zune regognizes the phone and syncs succesfully while still pluged in... on the phone make sure the backlite is set so it wont turn off.. if it turns off it breaks the connection.... Once you have that set go into the market on the phone or Music & Videos... Once you go into one of those apps it will say that you are connected and it will sync briefly and say sync complete... while still in that sync complete screen start up the Application Deployment and browse to the connection setup .xap and deploy it.. If the connection Setup is signed correctly (official App) it should successfully send it to the phone and load up right away.. if not it should be in the programs list

Hmm.. alright thanks man. Ill definitely give it a shot tomorrow.
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W7 works on my Acer one Netbook. 1Ghz CPu, 1GB ram and onboard 32mb graphics. even works with aero!

d16soda said:
Hey guys, got WP7 on my HD2 today and I was reading that you had to manually set your APN to gain 3G. I set mine up (epc.tmobile.com for TMOUS) and I have 3G, yet MMS still wont work! Have searched and searched and it seems some people's just works randomly. Halp!
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what worked for me was going to settings to cellular then to add apn.....the i put in the apn field epc.t-mobile.com....then other 2 fields left blank...reboot and i have 3g and full mms working perfect hope this helped out

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W7 works on my Acer one Netbook. 1Ghz CPu, 1GB ram and onboard 32mb graphics. even works with aero!
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Exactly what I have running. Runs Ultimate fine.
Back on topic. Its not tht hard to sideload apps.
Turn lockscreen timer to never in settings.
Open Zune. Wait for sync complete. Minimize Zune.
Deploy xap via Toms xap installer or even easier download wp7 marketplace for PC and set xap file association to have wpdeploy run on double click.
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[Q] win mo 6.5 apps on windows 7

I havent seen this question here.
Currently I am running windows 6.5 Elegancia on my HD2.
Device T-Mobile.
I would like to know if I install windows 7 in my phone, will I still be able to run apps running for windows 6.5?
I have lot of essential apps in my current 6.5 ROM like
Mireo Black edition (GPS)
Wild card Mobile (Visiting card reader)
O market.
Voice recorder
In call recorder
TCPIMP
Metric converter
Flash light
RAM cleaner ...etc
Please let me know if these applications would run on my windows 7 as well .
If yes, would there be any performance issues ?
If no?
Are there any alternatives to the above apps ?
For E.G. alt GPS application for reading my .cpf Map files.
etc
Thanks in advance.

softmessager said:
I havent seen this question here.
Mireo Black edition (GPS) / Didn't find it on marketplace
Wild card Mobile (Visiting card reader) / Don't know
O market. / No but would be great
Voice recorder / Yep
In call recorder / Don't know
TCPIMP / Don't know
Metric converter / Yep
Flash light / Yep
RAM cleaner ...etc / Not needed
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I can't answer for everything, but there are many apps on the store.
It would be great to have an equivalent of OMarket! Is there any? (alternative market)

I'm sorry but I don't think so.
WP7 uses a different file system, there exists of course the possibility to install apps via toms xap installer, but as "old" WM6.5 user I can guarantee you that you won't be able to install your apps as you are used to.
If you are lucky you can install apps via Zune/Marketplace.
If I can you give an advice, I would tell you to "restart" everything on WP7 it is really worth of it.
Hope I could help you
PS: try to install all apps via Zune, then when you reflash a rom, Zune installs everything from it's alone on the device.

All applications you mentioned are also available for WP7. There are lots of substitutes with the same features.

I was disappointed to read this thread (although I suspected the answer would be "no".) Unfortunately I have some expensive apps on my HD2 - dictionaries and GPS - so it looks as though I will have to hang onto my HD2 until it breaks, as I don't want to have to buy them all again.